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Post by HYR on Oct 11, 2016 17:58:36 GMT
(also didn't care for advisors and Scout Harding.I don't think they were bad but they also weren't interesting.) Yeah, the advisors were pretty gimmicky. Their advice/opinions pretty much always boil down to... Josephine: diplomacy! Leliana: muh aguhnts!! Cullen: WAR!!
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Post by Sifr on Oct 11, 2016 18:25:34 GMT
I'm not sure how much I'd say Cullen downplays Kirkwall. The one conversation I remember from him he noted with some disdain that Meredith was too Tranquility-happy in a conversation with my Human Rogue and my Dalish Mage. (This was when he explained why Maddox was Tranquil during the quest regarding Samson's armor.) Yeah, Cullen doesn't really sugar-coat the events at Kirkwall all that much.
"While I was there, Qunari occupied and then attacked the city, the Viscount's murder cause political unrest, relations between Mages and Templars fell apart, an apostate blew up the Chantry and the Knight Commander went mad... other than that, it was fine."
Varric's hometown pride is probably why he insists it's not that bad, but he doesn't exactly deny Kirkwall's reputation either. Dorian: You know, Varric, I went to Kirkwall once. Varric: Yeah? Dorian: Bit of a sh*thole. Varric: *Sighs* Yeah... Blackwall: I've been to Kirkwall. The Hanged Man actually, probably been about twenty years now. It was a dive, if I remember correctly? Varric: It's the dive. Filled with the best and worst people in the world. Blackwall: Yes, I heard it was a haunt of yours. Varric: Haunt? *Wistfully* Ah, it was home.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 11, 2016 18:42:33 GMT
[...] Varric's hometown pride is probably why he insists it's not that bad, but he doesn't exactly deny Kirkwall's reputation either. [...] Yes. At war room, before the Fade quest: Varric: Oh, it's been great. Murderous Wardens, Archdemon's attack, plenty of blood mages, and crazy templars. Just like home. Hawke: I know, how much you hated leaving Kirkwall.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 18:53:17 GMT
Ironically, a wolf in sheep's clothing perfectly describes Solas. After Trespasser, I never trusted him, because he played everyone like marionettes for his own gains. His plans to save the Elven people and undo his mistakes may seem noble in his POV, but he's narrow minded and doesn't embrace change.
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Post by Cantina on Oct 11, 2016 20:06:01 GMT
Ironically, a wolf in sheep's clothing perfectly describes Solas. After Trespasser, I never trusted him, because he played everyone like marionettes for his own gains. His plans to save the Elven people and undo his mistakes may seem noble in his POV, but he's narrow minded and doesn't embrace change. I wonder how many times we have to prove to Solas the world is worth saving.
Inquisitor: "Don't destroy the world we have pizza!"
Solas: "I hate pizza and I must repair what I destroyed."
Inquisitor: "Stripper female Elves?"
Solas: "No."
Inquisitor: "Stripper female elves dancing in the Fade?"
Solas: "No. Wait..No."
Inquisitor: "Son of a ...."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 20:24:07 GMT
Ironically, a wolf in sheep's clothing perfectly describes Solas. After Trespasser, I never trusted him, because he played everyone like marionettes for his own gains. His plans to save the Elven people and undo his mistakes may seem noble in his POV, but he's narrow minded and doesn't embrace change. I wonder how many times we have to prove to Solas the world is worth saving.
Inquisitor: "Don't destroy the world we have pizza!"
Solas: "I hate pizza and I must repair what I destroyed."
Inquisitor: "Stripper female Elves?"
Solas: "No."
Inquisitor: "Stripper female elves dancing in the Fade?"
Solas: "No. Wait..No."
Inquisitor: "Son of a ...."If plan A is a no go, work through all the letters of the alphabet. If all else fails, kill him.
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Post by Tuchanka Love on Oct 13, 2016 15:55:10 GMT
The latest banter between Blackwall and Viv was awesome. He finally won the argument. He asked why she looked down at the grey wardens. And then she makes this poor explanation on how the order shouldn't be as important as they are because they recruit thousands all the time when it only took 2 to end the blight. (how is that a reason to hate them, idiot?) and then he goes "say that next time a Blight is at your doorstep" and no response from her
And I'm like "that's right! take that, bitch"
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Post by heathenoxman on Oct 13, 2016 18:05:45 GMT
Blackwall.
He's boring, and his Duck Dynasty beard is gross.
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Post by secretrare on Oct 13, 2016 18:28:14 GMT
The latest banter between Blackwall and Viv was awesome. He finally won the argument. He asked why she looked down at the grey wardens. And then she makes this poor explanation on how the order shouldn't be as important as they are because they recruit thousands all the time when it only took 2 to end the blight. (how is that a reason to hate them, idiot?) and then he goes "say that next time a Blight is at your doorstep" and no response from her And I'm like "that's right! take that, bitch" Vivienne is right the GW use the secret of the US to won the monopoly over the blights and keep their power. Next time a Blight is on the doorstep like it have always been done an army will fight it while few GW will take care of the AD if they show up. 2 GW killed Zazikale 1 GW killed Toth 1 GW killed Andhoral Loghain with my huge help killed Urthemiel So yes overall Vivienne is right there is no need of such a great amounts of GW especially in between blights,there is no point in ruining people life by making them GW for no reason,plus they in 1200 years did not made any research on darkspawns or on how to prevent blights,they sit in their fortress waiting for a blight to trigger,that's ridiculous,other than Avernus i don't know any GW who made scientifical research on their job.
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Post by Tuchanka Love on Oct 13, 2016 18:38:44 GMT
The latest banter between Blackwall and Viv was awesome. He finally won the argument. He asked why she looked down at the grey wardens. And then she makes this poor explanation on how the order shouldn't be as important as they are because they recruit thousands all the time when it only took 2 to end the blight. (how is that a reason to hate them, idiot?) and then he goes "say that next time a Blight is at your doorstep" and no response from her And I'm like "that's right! take that, bitch" Vivienne is right the GW use the secret of the US to won the monopoly over the blights and keep their power. Next time a Blight is on the doorstep like it have always been done an army will fight it while few GW will take care of the AD if they show up. 2 GW killed Zazikale 1 GW killed Toth 1 GW killed Andhoral Loghain with my huge help killed Urthemiel So yes overall Vivienne is right there is no need of such a great amounts of GW especially in between blights,there is no point in ruining people life by making them GW for no reason. Just because there isn't a Blight doesn't mean the darkspawn are gone. And the GW wait for the next Blight because no one knows when it can happen. So really, if a Blight suddenly begins would you rather have 2 GW or an army of them? GW are resistant to the Blight effects, so let's say we have your army of non-GW facing a darkspawn horde (with lots of them dying because darkspawn blood is like poison) with two GW to kill the Archdemon (considering they won't die before that). Is that the safest option? What happened during the fifth Blight was almost a miracle.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 13, 2016 19:03:38 GMT
The latest banter between Blackwall and Viv was awesome. He finally won the argument. He asked why she looked down at the grey wardens. And then she makes this poor explanation on how the order shouldn't be as important as they are because they recruit thousands all the time when it only took 2 to end the blight. (how is that a reason to hate them, idiot?) and then he goes "say that next time a Blight is at your doorstep" and no response from her And I'm like "that's right! take that, bitch" Vivienne is right the GW use the secret of the US to won the monopoly over the blights and keep their power. Next time a Blight is on the doorstep like it have always been done an army will fight it while few GW will take care of the AD if they show up. 2 GW killed Zazikale 1 GW killed Toth 1 GW killed Andhoral Loghain with my huge help killed Urthemiel So yes overall Vivienne is right there is no need of such a great amounts of GW especially in between blights,there is no point in ruining people life by making them GW for no reason,plus they in 1200 years did not made any research on darkspawns or on how to prevent blights,they sit in their fortress waiting for a blight to trigger,that's ridiculous,other than Avernus i don't know any GW who made scientifical research on their job. So Vivienne not only unmannerly, powerhungry, she even stupid. Great, I like her more and more.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 13, 2016 20:32:29 GMT
The latest banter between Blackwall and Viv was awesome. He finally won the argument. He asked why she looked down at the grey wardens. And then she makes this poor explanation on how the order shouldn't be as important as they are because they recruit thousands all the time when it only took 2 to end the blight. (how is that a reason to hate them, idiot?) and then he goes "say that next time a Blight is at your doorstep" and no response from her And I'm like "that's right! take that, bitch" Vivienne is right the GW use the secret of the US to won the monopoly over the blights and keep their power. Next time a Blight is on the doorstep like it have always been done an army will fight it while few GW will take care of the AD if they show up. 2 GW killed Zazikale 1 GW killed Toth 1 GW killed Andhoral Loghain with my huge help killed Urthemiel So yes overall Vivienne is right there is no need of such a great amounts of GW especially in between blights,there is no point in ruining people life by making them GW for no reason,plus they in 1200 years did not made any research on darkspawns or on how to prevent blights,they sit in their fortress waiting for a blight to trigger,that's ridiculous,other than Avernus i don't know any GW who made scientifical research on their job. Well, I wouldn't say that Vivienne is right, but the root of the problem with disdain for the Wardens is probably the ignorance of what it actually takes for an archdemon to be destroyed. Blackwall obviously didn't know, and Vivienne doesn't either. Perhaps Solas knows, but he keeps so much to himself anyway that any arguments from him are pointless. Curiously, Dorian can make a comment about the red lyrium dragon not being a true archdemon with Cassandra, on account of Clarel failing to kill it. Perhaps this was a misstep on the part of the writers, or some people just logically concluded that there's something about the Grey Wardens that is essential to stopping a blight beyond just battling darkspawn.
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Post by Cantina on Oct 13, 2016 21:12:42 GMT
The latest banter between Blackwall and Viv was awesome. He finally won the argument. He asked why she looked down at the grey wardens. And then she makes this poor explanation on how the order shouldn't be as important as they are because they recruit thousands all the time when it only took 2 to end the blight. (how is that a reason to hate them, idiot?) and then he goes "say that next time a Blight is at your doorstep" and no response from her And I'm like "that's right! take that, bitch" Vivienne is right the GW use the secret of the US to won the monopoly over the blights and keep their power. Next time a Blight is on the doorstep like it have always been done an army will fight it while few GW will take care of the AD if they show up. 2 GW killed Zazikale 1 GW killed Toth 1 GW killed Andhoral Loghain with my huge help killed Urthemiel So yes overall Vivienne is right there is no need of such a great amounts of GW especially in between blights,there is no point in ruining people life by making them GW for no reason,plus they in 1200 years did not made any research on darkspawns or on how to prevent blights,they sit in their fortress waiting for a blight to trigger,that's ridiculous,other than Avernus i don't know any GW who made scientifical research on their job. She was wrong. One of many irritables I have with Vivienne is she has this whole attitude of thinking what she says is always right and anything you say is wrong.
What happened during the fifth Blight was by all accounts miraculous and there are some who still believe it was not a Blight at all.
Before the founding of the Grey Wardens the First Blight last over a hundred years. After the founding of the Grey Wardens the time frame of how long a Blight lasted dwindled down -significantly.
The Wardens don’t just show up for a Blight and then afterwards go home and throw parities until the next one comes. Wardens venture into the Deep Roads and deal with the Darkspawn threats all the time. The Deep Roads are massive so much so there are new places being discovered all the time. Not to mention no one knows how deep they go. Trying to wipe out the Darkspawn is like trying to eliminate all the ants on earth.
A vast number of Wardens are needed because of the number of Darkspawn. If the Darkspawn have created armies of thousands then add in a dragon during the Blights, you really think a handful of Wardens would be able to make much a difference?
Wardens don’t care about learning more about the Blight, they took an oath to kill Darkspawn, not spend their days hunched over a table while a candle burns down going over research.
If it was not for the Wardens who at least try to lessen the threat, Thedas probably would be swarming with Darkspawn.
The Wardens do go too far in some of the things they do, but, considering what they sacrifice and do to ensure the people of Thedas go about their lives, well I’m willing to forgive and look past their mistakes.
Furthermore if it was not for King Maric allowing the Wardens back in Fereldan I cannot imagine what the Fifth Blight would have done not only to Fereldan but the rest of Thedas.
Thus exiling the Wardens (again) will do little good; for the next time a Blight comes everyone from nobility to the poor won’t care about why they were exiled all they will care about is wanting The Wardens to come and save them.
It’s easy to condemn a group or judge them despite all they have done-be it good or ill-but it’s even harder to understand if it was not for said group the person complaining might not be alive to complain - such in the case of Vivienne.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Oct 13, 2016 22:25:57 GMT
I would have voted Solas but I chose Iron Bull because at least Solas was written to be a villain. Iron Bull's advances and the things he does in his relationship with Dorian still unnerves me. I read somewhere that he was intended to be the "funny Qunari" and that just mystifies me. Funny to what age group? I remember a comment he made in Descent that was like: "Renn: Everyone has their favorite kind of darkspawn. Bull: I like the ogres. Great racks."
I paused. "...I'm going to make your death canon." Okay everyone, PSA time: That does not mean what you think it means. By "racks", Bull means horns. Horn racks. He makes a similar comment about DA2's Arishok in banter with Varric, saying he has a great rack. I was very confused until his next line mentioned Sten having no horns. So yeah, that Descent comment lacks context, but it makes sense with it. Bull loves horns. Well, Cole hints in the banter that the person who confronts us at her salon, who she freezes and might kill if we ask it, was in that position because she manipulated him into it over an offense that doesn't really call for what she did to him. I think most of the hate is just because she rubs people the wrong way, but there's actual reason to hate her and view her as a bad person. Just, you know, not as much as we have for Blackwall and Solas. I never really had her and Cole in the same party, so didn't get access to that banter. And I never have her kill Alphonse(both because he did nothing to me to deserve it, and the FMA fan in me can't bring myself to say 'I killed Alphonse' ). It is certainly possible she done some very bad stuff, but there is no evidence for it so I don't judge on hypotheticals since otherwise everyone is terrible. Yeah, most hate seems to be because of her attitude or her opinions. Just because you never had her kill him doesn't mean she isn't terrible, since she would have done it without a second thought if you wanted her to. So that's hardly a hypothetical. Just another reason not to like her. To be honest, we've had a lot of murderers along for the ride. Duncan: Conscripted after accidentally killing a Grey Warden he was robbing. Oghren: Accidentally killed a man in his berserker rage during a Proving. Loghain: Justified or not, ordered a retreat at Ostagar and consigned those left in the valley to die. Orders a hit on the Warden. Morrigan: Murdered numerous Templars with Flemeth as a "game", albeit in self-defense. Velanna: Murdered countless humans are being duped into thinking they kidnapped her sister. Nathaniel: Tries to assassinate the Warden. Zevran: Antivan hitman who tried to assassinate the Warden. Sten: Murdered an entire farmhold in a blind rage after losing his sword. Leliana: Killed countless people as a bard. Shale: Murdered her former master, although it's unclear whether it was intentional or not. Anders: May have killed his Templar captors in Vigil's Keep, although he claims they were killed by darkspawn. Fenris: Cut down a village of Fog Warriors who'd taken him in, after Danarius found him and ordered him to kill them. Cole: Killed people under the mistaken belief he was "helping" them. Sera: Kills nobles who deserve it, in her estimation. Blackwall admitting in Val Royeaux that he "gave the order" seems to imply that he was not actually present for the massacre, which also would explain how he managed to get away unlike the majority of his men. His explanation in the dungeon that his men knew war and mistakenly assumed that Callier's children were targets as well, further implies he wasn't present and why he's haunted by the death of those children. That's not to say that Blackwall is innocent, but I'd say he's more guilty of accessory and conspiracy to commit murder. Well, a lot of those people didn't murder other people though, so it would be more accurate to say "we've had a lot of killers along for the ride". All of them, in fact. Not exactly. He says he lets you live because your death would cause needless suffering. There is compassion there, even if his plans suck. I appreciate all the companions as reasonably well-written fictional characters, but I really don't like Sera. Crude, intolerant and wilfully ignorant, she's about the definition of "not my type". Yes, she's also funny and refreshingly disrespectful of authority - which is I why I keep her around regardless - but that can't make up for the unpleasant traits. I agree except that I don't even find her funny, just childish and immature. So really, for me she has no redeeming qualities at all. My only beef with Blackwall isn't really even his fault, its Bioware's fault. I'm sorry Bioware, but you can not just put a note in Liliana's area for me to find, telling me about how the real Blackwall thought that Ferelden was a lost cause and not allow me to question him about it. Especially since he told me earlier that he was in Ferelden during the blight. Also, really Vivi worse then everyone else? Still firmly in the camp of Vivi > Sera. Huh, I don't recall ever getting that note And Vivienne is better than Sera, but that's hardly a compliment Actually, most if not all american/canadian voice actos in this game stand out as not so good when compared to the british VAs. And it's not as if it was awful voice acting either, it's just that the brits slayed. Do you think that may have something to do with either relating to British accents better (thus getting more emotion out of them) or finding them nicer to listen to? Personally I didn't think there was any quality difference between the British and North American VAs. Another possible factor could be that in DA many of the characters who have NA accents are more stoic, like dwarves, and may sound unemotional by comparison, or are not main characters who you get a full range from, but without knowing who you're talking about, I don't know. Also another thing that bothers me about Viv is how she constantly looks down on Ferelden. Bitch get out of here. I hate orleaseans and the ones pretending to be orleseans like Viv. She calls the Marquis in her party a dog lord. She thinks Morrigan is a barbarian. She makes fun of the castle you aquire in Crestwood as being good by "ferelden standards" and chuckle. Well, to be fair, I don't think Dog Lord is actually derogatory, but I might be remembering wrong.
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Post by Tuchanka Love on Oct 13, 2016 22:30:34 GMT
Yeah, Dog Lord is what the Orlesians started calling fereldan lords when they began their rebellion. They use it to make fun of the fact fereldans fight alongside dogs.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 14, 2016 7:30:05 GMT
Yeah, Dog Lord is what the Orlesians started calling fereldan lords when they began their rebellion. They use it to make fun of the fact fereldans fight alongside dogs. It ain't so funny to those masked goofwads when a mabari hound is gnawing their arms off.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 14, 2016 7:50:58 GMT
As for Fenris, he murders people. Whether they deserve death or not is irrelevant. He kills people who at that moment are incapable of defending themselves, thus murder. Well, it's pretty understandable. All of the people we see him murder, even if unable to fight him at the moment, were likely to just send more people to do the job for them anyway (and they did numerous times)
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 14, 2016 7:58:32 GMT
Also, really Vivi worse then everyone else? Still firmly in the camp of Vivi > Sera. I imagine the uppity bitch persona can get wearisome, even if compared to the rather volatile Sera. That whole I'm better-than-everyone-else thing can get old quick, but more than that, she can be rather boring, I'd say even nearing Blackwall level. At least with Morrigan, she made being a terrible person funny, and even when her banter with companions can get kind of mean-spirited, can still be amusing, but this isn't the case with Vivienne. I really enjoyed Vivi's first encounter, and recruit her every time, but often I find myself picking someone else and leaving her shelved in her loft at Skyhold, especially since I usually run a KE mage, making her redundant.
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Post by derwen on Nov 13, 2016 10:06:45 GMT
Too easy to judge companions based on what they did or their opinions, they are written to be humans, and all these things are based on their background. That said I don't like anybody and I don't hate anybody, the inquisitor himself is not so innocent, he is forced by the game to take decisions that can bring bad consequences no matter what, like leave the Templars or Mages do Cory or lie during the Orlais quest. But I roleplay my characters and my current Inquisitor hate Cassandra with a passion, not for who she is but for what she did to him.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 13, 2016 13:17:11 GMT
Too easy to judge companions based on what they did or their opinions, they are written to be humans, and all these things are based on their background. That said I don't like anybody and I don't hate anybody, the inquisitor himself is not so innocent, he is forced by the game to take decisions that can bring bad consequences no matter what, like leave the Templars or Mages do Cory or lie during the Orlais quest. But I roleplay my characters and my current Inquisitor hate Cassandra with a passion, not for who she is but for what she did to him. It's not in every case a judgmental, almost everyone has a favorite character, and one-two, whom s/he loves to hate. For example I dislike Vivienne, and also Sera, but my Wardens, Hawkes and Inquisitors mostly also not a kind persons with some morally questionable decisions. I don't judge the characters, look: I dislike Vivienne, and yes, I don't agree with her in the Circle issue. But: I like Wynne, who also pro-Circle, because Wynne is not as annoying than "Oh-Darling-You-Look-Terrible" Orlesian court mistress. Of course in my viewpoint, a pompous politician is much easier to condemn than a murderer... this is my weakness. so: Blackwall much more lovable in my eyes, than Vivienne.
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