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Post by deadlydwarf on Nov 23, 2017 6:41:18 GMT
I've done multiple PTs of all the DA games. I've never played Skyrim; how do they compare? If I wanted to get a Skyrim game, which one should I get? Elder Scrolls?
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Post by fylimar on Nov 23, 2017 7:57:43 GMT
It's the other way around: Elder Scrolls is the series and Skyrim the newest game. I personally love Morrowind.
ES and DA are only comparable in so far, that both are fantasy rpgs. But ES is totally open world and you don't have as deep interactions and relationships as in DA. But you can do everything, even build your own class. That's fun to do. I still prefer DA though, for the characters and interactions.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Nov 23, 2017 10:06:24 GMT
It's the other way around: Elder Scrolls is the series and Skyrim the newest game. I personally love Morrowind. ES and DA are only comparable in so far, that both are fantasy rpgs. But ES is totally open world and you don't have as deep interactions and relationships as in DA. But you can do everything, even build your own class. That's fun to do. I still prefer DA though, for the characters and interactions. It is as fylimar says.TES IV:Oblivion is my preference(but i can never see myself replaying without the character overhaul mod...Perhaps the ugliest nps in all of gaming.) I'd add that Inquisition is quite ES-ish,with the expansive maps and the plethora of quests ,imho. But,yes,gameplay is the strongest aspect of Elder Scrolls.Up to this day,i've never finished Skyrim's main quest ...don't really care.Also..side quests. I went into DAO expecting the new Baldur's gate,got my most beloved game of all time,mostly yes,because of the characters and interactions(and may i also add lore?).
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Post by Catilina on Nov 23, 2017 10:20:12 GMT
My fav is Morrowind too, from the Elder Scrolls series, but Oblivion almost as good.
The Elder Scrolls games' strengths are the side quests, not once more interesting then the main line.
The Inquisition have some interesting side quests, but most of them only wasted time. In DA2 I never felt one wasted minute in game, but too short, compared to the others. DAO-DAA: almost perfect, but there's some filler quest, I didn't feel that too big burden.
I suppose not a good idea the open world in DA-series. Bioware should concentrate to the main line and the characters: these are the series' strengths, and let the open world to Bethesda!
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Nov 23, 2017 10:37:20 GMT
I suppose not a good idea the open world in DA-series. Bioware should concentrate to the main line and the characters: these are the series' strengths, and let the open world to Bethesda! Not that i hated the open world feeling of Inquisition,but it certainly could've been much better executed... So,yes! And please,i despise the collection quests.Just a pointless gimmick to extend play time
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Post by Catilina on Nov 23, 2017 10:41:05 GMT
I suppose not a good idea the open world in DA-series. Bioware should concentrate to the main line and the characters: these are the series' strengths, and let the open world to Bethesda! Not that i hated the open world feeling of Inquisition,but it certainly could've been much better executed... So,yes! And please,i despise the collection quests.Just a pointless gimmick to extend play time Such a feeling, the Inquisitor willn't deserve his/her monthly salary, if not succed to gather enough weeds/pebbles/shards/whatevershit...
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Nov 23, 2017 10:48:22 GMT
Not that i hated the open world feeling of Inquisition,but it certainly could've been much better executed... So,yes! And please,i despise the collection quests.Just a pointless gimmick to extend play time Such a feeling, the Inquisitor willn't deserve his/her monthly salary, if not succed to gather enough weeds/pebbles/shards/whatevershit... those bottles especially.... :smh:
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Post by deadlydwarf on Nov 23, 2017 19:25:38 GMT
Many thanks to all who replied. I had heard that DA versus ES was the difference between story-focused versus open world. In DA, I still think DAO and DA are the best games even with the dated graphics. The side quests never felt totally ridiculous. Both the Chanter's Board and the Mage Collective quests made sense and even facilitated role-playing by giving you moral quandaries that PCs would react to differently based on origin. OTOH, the fetch quests in DAI were morstly stupid. I thought the mosaics were even worse than the bottles. Collect all the mosaic pieces of a particular mosaic...and then not be able to even make out the images in the mosaic?! Truly a time waster! The shards I could justify as complementing the dragon fights though they didn't make sense in terms of the main story. Cory's toadies used the tranquil skulls to locate shards so they could get into the tombs of the forbidden oasis yet you never see any red Templars or Venatori looking for the shards. Anyhow, in the case of DAI, the open world detracted in some way from the main story, especially after you arrive at Skyhold. Time spent in the nonessential areas always felt like you were meandering about confused.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Nov 23, 2017 19:35:55 GMT
Dumb question...is going the Steam route for ES games good or bad if you're into modding? Or am I better getting the DVD or downloads from another source?
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Post by Catilina on Nov 23, 2017 20:03:16 GMT
The Skyrim Steam game, but you can play Morrowind and Oblivion in another source (I have Morrowind/Oblivion boxed –original, CD!/DVD/Game of Year– and digital version too: Morrowind on GoG, Oblivion on Steam). It depends on your opinion about Steam. I don't have any problem with it. At first, I always play without mods, but later, I used many mods to Oblivion for example.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 23, 2017 20:43:51 GMT
I have both Baldurs Gate EE in Steam and there, modding works fine. ES I only played with discs so far, but I read, modding works on Steam too
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Post by phoray on Nov 23, 2017 23:44:41 GMT
Skyrim is nothing like Dragon Age. You can do literally anything you want, which means none of it matters = sandbox
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Post by q5tyhj on Nov 24, 2017 5:49:34 GMT
I've done multiple PTs of all the DA games. I've never played Skyrim; how do they compare? If I wanted to get a Skyrim game, which one should I get? Elder Scrolls? My vote would be for Oblivion, as a longtime Elder Scrolls fan Skyrim may well have been my least favorite, whereas Oblivion was fantastic and was at least recent enough that you can tolerate the dated graphics (as opposed to Morrowind or Daggerfall, which look extremely dated now, though still very good games). They're great RPGs, but they're very different from Dragon Age, aside from both being fantasy series. Elder Scrolls games are wide open sandboxes where you can pretty much do whatever you want. There are many huge side quest-lines that can rival the main quest-line in terms of breadth and entertainment value- you can do a 50+ hour playthrough of an Elder Scrolls game without even touching the main storyline (the Dark Brotherhood side quest-line is usually my favorite). But the characters are completely 1-dimensional, relationships non-existent, and interactions/dialogue limited and shallow, in stark contrast to the always character/relationship-focused DA games (or Bioware games in general). The combat is also much less robust and tactical than DA's. I would also probably give Dragon Age a slight edge in background lore, but that's mostly just my own personal preference. Anyways, since you can get either/both Oblivion and Skyrim for pretty cheap, I'd recommend giving Elder Scrolls a try- even though they're quite different from DA, they're wildly popular games for a reason, and so even if they end up not being your cup of tea they're certainly of high enough quality to be worth giving a try.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Nov 24, 2017 19:30:13 GMT
Morrowind's my favourite. That's the gold standard for open world games in my book. It's exotic and there's loads to do. I like how the story unfolds as well. Morrowind's world feels special and its backstory is mysterious and intriguing. Play this and you'll either love or hate dark elves forever (I love them).
Oblivion is all about quests. The game world's gorgeous by 2006 standards, but there's not much to see - just trees and cut-and-paste dungeons. There's really no distinctive atmosphere like Morrowind or Skyrim, just generic fantasy (not in the expansion). What you need to do is talk to people, join factions, do quests - they're really good. Level scaling is horrible, but on the other hand it has the Shivering Isles expansion, which is dynamite. Overall very flawed, but I loved it.
Skyrim, well, what to say? It's enormous, especially with the expansions. Rewards exploration far more than Oblivion, but the quests generally aren't as good. I don't mind the removal of classes - you can still be a wizard or whatever if you want and the Elder Scrolls class system was never my favourite. I have played this a lot but rather burned out on it currently. Good though, worth playing. PS the evil factions are the best.
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Post by huntress on Nov 24, 2017 22:29:14 GMT
I've done multiple PTs of all the DA games. I've never played Skyrim; how do they compare? If I wanted to get a Skyrim game, which one should I get? Elder Scrolls? I play skyrim and Fallout4 they are very good, you can make anything be anything and wear anything, this games are great that way , but, I prefer DA and da2 for character interactions, Thedas is very nice story I'll never get bored of hawk or Alistair. Haven't played inquisition even though I started multiple times, inquisition is ..not for me I think. Give to skyrim and Fallout4 a try they are so HUGE and like i said free to roam every were.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 25, 2017 13:47:02 GMT
deadlydwarf : since you've asked for any recommendations for non DA rpgs in anotehr thread, apart from Morrowind, I can recommend Pillars of Eternity, which is a more classical rpg, with an interesting world and quests and great companions (I love Eder, a warrior, who run out of luck big time, but who always has a sarcastic remark ready). Fallout seems to be great, Istarted Fallout 3 a while ago, but didn't make it far into the game, because my old computer couldn't handle it back then. What I saw, was pretty nice though, the beginning makes sure, your character is personally involved in the story. And I will always have a very soft spot in my heart for Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. I played that game so often, it nearly beats DA and Baldurs Gate (I don't think, I have to praise BG here, probably preaching to the choir). Depending on what clan you play, the gameplay and story changes a lot. You have different fractions, that react to your characters clan and actions. And if you play a Malkavian (they become mad, when they are made vampires) or a Nosferatu (they are extreemly ugly and can't walk normally through the streets without causing a ruckus), you play a different game. Malkavian are the best, so I wouldn't advice to play them the first time, because their answers are kind of cryptic - think Cole on dope. That are some of my favorites, there are tons more, but I don't want to go too much offtopic. I think, you can't go wrong with the ES games though, tehre is a lot to do and even if you don't finish the games (they are huge), there is normally something for everyone.
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Post by Mickymax69 on Nov 30, 2017 2:31:44 GMT
Dumb question...is going the Steam route for ES games good or bad if you're into modding? Or am I better getting the DVD or downloads from another source? If I can complement what has been said, cause fylimar & Catilina summarized the thing well. The source isn't the problem when modding. Buying it directly on Steam or on DVD (legendary edition) leads you to steam, so you can install your game both ways. The sofwares you 'll choose to compile your mods are more important : mod organizer + Wry Bash + Loot, or NMM. If you like the fights's realism, skyrim is for you, it becomes better when modded. Like in the TES series, the story, music and ambience are excellent (and unforgettable). The open world is well integrated with the side quests, and you'll take a real pleasure to discovers lots of details. You can focus on the main quest if you concentrate on it, or take your time... to discover every little skyrim secrets. Open world doesn't inevitably mean, scattered central quests. You can compensate the lack of work on followers, by using some good follower mods, for ex. Arissa, Inigo or Vilja and Sofia. For sure, this game will surprise yourself, modded or not.
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Post by bardox on Nov 30, 2017 21:16:13 GMT
I love the DA and TES series. Not sure you can compare the two though. Yes, they both have dragons, but they are nothing alike. DA's Dragons are beasts (or shape shifted witches) while the dragons is Skyrim are thinking self-aware "people". You can actually talk to some of them.
DA's quests are fairly linear, you have list of tasks and a method of doing them. Skyrim tells you your goal and where to go most of the time, but how you get there and achieve that goal is up to your imagination. In DA. your class determines how you approach a situation. In Skyrim, Do you want to run into a mob throwing fireballs and thunder bolts OR do you want to sneak in and decapitate enemies one by one with a claymore? Do you want to pickpocket the bandits and leave behind a nasty poison OR take a good vantage point and put an flaming arrow through their eye and loot the corpse? Maybe you want to summon a few monsters to fight the enemy while you watch from a safe distance and take in the show.
There are no classes in Skyrim. You can master a few skills or be a jack of all trades. There is actually a special enemy if you master ALL the skills. In DA, once you pick your class, that's it. Magic or swords and axes. If you're not a rogue, no lock picking for you. If you are a mage or warrior, you better keep a rogue in your party. Vice Versa if you are a rogue. How you get companions is different. the way you get/make equipment is different. There is so many things that are just not remotely the same for a direct comparison. Somethings are better. Somethings are worse. Somethings are just damn weird.
Getting the game on steam is a good Idea. There are a butt ton of modifications you can make to the game, but a suggest playing the base game before trying to change things that might not be worth changing. There is a mod that puts Randy Savages head on dragons and when they breath fire it say "SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM!"... Who wants this mod? I have no idea, so read the descriptions carefully.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 4, 2017 8:11:21 GMT
Skyrim can be anything you want really. You have to set the pace yourself though. When you do you can spin just about any story you like in there. Nowadays I have aesthetic problems with the Morrowind stick-figures and it's anything but fluid combat mechanics. Still it is good though. I recommend setting up Modorganizer for Skyrim. It does take a little time but is worth it.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Dec 4, 2017 22:35:45 GMT
Dumb question...is going the Steam route for ES games good or bad if you're into modding? Or am I better getting the DVD or downloads from another source? If I can complement what has been said, cause fylimar & Catilina summarized the thing well. The source isn't the problem when modding. Buying it directly on Steam or on DVD (legendary edition) leads you to steam, so you can install your game both ways. The sofwares you 'll choose to compile your mods are more important : mod organizer + Wry Bash + Loot, or NMM. If you like the fights's realism, skyrim is for you, it becomes better when modded. Like in the TES series, the story, music and ambience are excellent (and unforgettable). The open world is well integrated with the side quests, and you'll take a real pleasure to discovers lots of details. You can focus on the main quest if you concentrate on it, or take your time... to discover every little skyrim secrets. Open world doesn't inevitably mean, scattered central quests. You can compensate the lack of work on followers, by using some good follower mods, for ex. Arissa, Inigo or Vilja and Sofia. For sure, this game will surprise yourself, modded or not. Many thanks to all for the insights on Skyrim. I was astonished at the number of mods available for Skyrim compared to the DA series. I ordered the Legendary edition version to best take advantage of that. At least I'll have a better idea of what people are talking about regarding Open World games! Do companions in Skyrim have strongly defined personalities with interesting backstories as in DA?
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Post by deadlydwarf on Dec 5, 2017 0:55:37 GMT
Do companions in Skyrim have strongly defined personalities with interesting backstories as in DA? Nope. They're basically lifeless but at least they can carry all your gear. Mods like the Relationship Dialogue Overhaul improves NPC behaviour, but only to a point. There are some follower mods that try to imitate DA with relationships and heaps of conversation, but be prepared to wade through a lot of crap to find the good stuff. You're going to be spending a lot of time just looking at mods, let alone playing them.Oh well....recommendations would be helpful! Is there any special mod thread for Skyrim?
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Post by mike3207 on Dec 5, 2017 5:18:02 GMT
Nope. They're basically lifeless but at least they can carry all your gear. Mods like the Relationship Dialogue Overhaul improves NPC behaviour, but only to a point. There are some follower mods that try to imitate DA with relationships and heaps of conversation, but be prepared to wade through a lot of crap to find the good stuff. You're going to be spending a lot of time just looking at mods, let alone playing them.Oh well....recommendations would be helpful! Is there any special mod thread for Skyrim? Bethesda.net has a forum, as well as 10,000 mods to look at.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 5, 2017 5:53:27 GMT
Nope. They're basically lifeless but at least they can carry all your gear. Mods like the Relationship Dialogue Overhaul improves NPC behaviour, but only to a point. There are some follower mods that try to imitate DA with relationships and heaps of conversation, but be prepared to wade through a lot of crap to find the good stuff. You're going to be spending a lot of time just looking at mods, let alone playing them.Oh well....recommendations would be helpful! Is there any special mod thread for Skyrim? I have run with Arissa and Sofia. They're both great companion mods.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Dec 5, 2017 8:45:32 GMT
Do companions in Skyrim have strongly defined personalities with interesting backstories as in DA? Not so much, though some have more personality than others. Certain ones basically have no personality or backstory to speak of, but there are some who'll tell you more about themselves and make various comments as you travel around. Of course, you'll end up hearing these comments a million times if you travel with them for an extended period!
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 20, 2017 13:04:08 GMT
I picked Oblivion over Origins, because the game provided freedom to customize your character's abilities, great open world experience and level designs were beautiful. Also the combat design is not that great, but it provides steady pace and design your own combat build which Bethesda games are known for. But Origins combat gameplay was atrocious, slow, animations are terrible, dull and boring. Which is a shame because I expected fast paced combat like on the cinematics, and if only they put that kind of combat and fast paced and fluid, Bethesda will have a competition in their hands.
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