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Post by deadlydwarf on Dec 25, 2017 13:37:49 GMT
I picked Oblivion over Origins, because the game provided freedom to customize your character's abilities, great open world experience and level designs were beautiful. Also the combat design is not that great, but it provides steady pace and design your own combat build which Bethesda games are known for. But Origins combat gameplay was atrocious, slow, animations are terrible, dull and boring. Which is a shame because I expected fast paced combat like on the cinematics, and if only they put that kind of combat and fast paced and fluid, Bethesda will have a competition in their hands. For the past several weeks, I've been away from this board because I just bought Skyrim and was playing the hell out of it. It's my first Bethesda game and for the most part, I'm greatly impressed. Generally speaking, though, I think comparing Bethesda games (assuming they're all like Skyrim) to BW games is like comparing apples with oranges. Each company emphasizes different things. BW is all about the story and well-developed characters. Bethesda is more about having a wide-open world to explore; the story is more rudimentary and the characters are more paper thin because there are just so many of them.
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 26, 2017 7:52:25 GMT
I picked Oblivion over Origins, because the game provided freedom to customize your character's abilities, great open world experience and level designs were beautiful. Also the combat design is not that great, but it provides steady pace and design your own combat build which Bethesda games are known for. But Origins combat gameplay was atrocious, slow, animations are terrible, dull and boring. Which is a shame because I expected fast paced combat like on the cinematics, and if only they put that kind of combat and fast paced and fluid, Bethesda will have a competition in their hands. For the past several weeks, I've been away from this board because I just bought Skyrim and was playing the hell out of it. It's my first Bethesda game and for the most part, I'm greatly impressed. Generally speaking, though, I think comparing Bethesda games (assuming they're all like Skyrim) to BW games is like comparing apples with oranges. Each company emphasizes different things. BW is all about the story and well-developed characters. Bethesda is more about having a wide-open world to explore; the story is more rudimentary and the characters are more paper thin because there are just so many of them. I meant Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion a RPG game released in 2006. But Skyrim was a better game than Inquisition when it comes to open world design, versatile character builds without sticking to one class, and quests are well done than Inquisition.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Dec 26, 2017 9:03:18 GMT
For the past several weeks, I've been away from this board because I just bought Skyrim and was playing the hell out of it. It's my first Bethesda game and for the most part, I'm greatly impressed. Generally speaking, though, I think comparing Bethesda games (assuming they're all like Skyrim) to BW games is like comparing apples with oranges. Each company emphasizes different things. BW is all about the story and well-developed characters. Bethesda is more about having a wide-open world to explore; the story is more rudimentary and the characters are more paper thin because there are just so many of them. I meant Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion a RPG game released in 2006. But Skyrim was a better game than Inquisition when it comes to open world design, versatile character builds without sticking to one class, and quests are well done than Inquisition. Skyrim is my first Elder Scrolls game, so I have no idea how the rest of the TES games were by comparison. Which of the earlier games still hold up and are still worth playing? As far as character builds go, I like versatility to a point. One thing I find odd in Skyrim is that all races can do magic, yet all the villages seem to wary of mages and you don't see normal people using magic.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 26, 2017 10:08:21 GMT
I meant Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion a RPG game released in 2006. But Skyrim was a better game than Inquisition when it comes to open world design, versatile character builds without sticking to one class, and quests are well done than Inquisition. Skyrim is my first Elder Scrolls game, so I have no idea how the rest of the TES games were by comparison. Which of the earlier games still hold up and are still worth playing? As far as character builds go, I like versatility to a point. One thing I find odd in Skyrim is that all races can do magic, yet all the villages seem to wary of mages and you don't see normal people using magic. It's probably like in every game: your character is always a special snowflake :-) I still like Morrowind a lot, it really has flair. Never really got into Oblivion and abandoned it halfway down the road.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Dec 26, 2017 15:29:12 GMT
Skyrim is my first Elder Scrolls game, so I have no idea how the rest of the TES games were by comparison. Which of the earlier games still hold up and are still worth playing? As far as character builds go, I like versatility to a point. One thing I find odd in Skyrim is that all races can do magic, yet all the villages seem to wary of mages and you don't see normal people using magic. It's probably like in every game: your character is always a special snowflake :-) I still like Morrowind a lot, it really has flair. Never really got into Oblivion and abandoned it halfway down the road. In DA, either you're a mage or you're not. So in Skyrim, I'm wondering if everyone in the TES universe has some magical power or just the PC regardless of race?
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Post by boxofscreaming on Dec 26, 2017 18:46:33 GMT
It's probably like in every game: your character is always a special snowflake :-) I still like Morrowind a lot, it really has flair. Never really got into Oblivion and abandoned it halfway down the road. In DA, either you're a mage or you're not. So in Skyrim, I'm wondering if everyone in the TES universe has some magical power or just the PC regardless of race? Magic is something anyone can learn in the Elder Scrolls. Some races (Bretons, Altmer) have more of an affinity for it, while others (Nords, Redguards) are more distrustful in general, but all races have the potential to learn magic.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Dec 26, 2017 20:41:20 GMT
Skyrim is my first Elder Scrolls game, so I have no idea how the rest of the TES games were by comparison. Which of the earlier games still hold up and are still worth playing? As far as character builds go, I like versatility to a point. One thing I find odd in Skyrim is that all races can do magic, yet all the villages seem to wary of mages and you don't see normal people using magic. It's probably like in every game: your character is always a special snowflake :-) I still like Morrowind a lot, it really has flair. Never really got into Oblivion and abandoned it halfway down the road. Hi Fyl! I hope the holiday season was kind to you and that you were able to go to some of the nice Christmas markets! I wish I had gone to more of them when I was in Germany several years ago. Anyhow, how do Morrowind or Oblivion compare graphic-wise to DAO or other games? How far back do you have to go with TES to get a feel for the lore? (I want to avoid ridiculously ancient games of course...)
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Post by copper on Dec 26, 2017 21:32:43 GMT
It's probably like in every game: your character is always a special snowflake :-) I still like Morrowind a lot, it really has flair. Never really got into Oblivion and abandoned it halfway down the road. Hi Fyl! I hope the holiday season was kind to you and that you were able to go to some of the nice Christmas markets! I wish I had gone to more of them when I was in Germany several years ago. Anyhow, how do Morrowind or Oblivion compare graphic-wise to DAO or other games? How far back do you have to go with TES to get a feel for the lore? (I want to avoid ridiculously ancient games of course...) Morrowind and Oblivion definitely show their age in the graphics department. I will say though that the landscapes are still very beautiful, and both games have mods to improve the graphics if you wish. For your second question, each game in TES can work as a standalone, so it's really up to you how far back you'd like to go. Arena and Daggerfall are the first two games in the main series, but I honestly wouldn't recommend them unless you really like retro games. Many fans still consider Morrowind and Oblivion to be playable, and even Daggerfall has its fans.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Dec 26, 2017 21:53:53 GMT
Anyhow, how do Morrowind or Oblivion compare graphic-wise to DAO or other games? How far back do you have to go with TES to get a feel for the lore? (I want to avoid ridiculously ancient games of course...) I think for a lot of fans (myself included) the series basically started with Morrowind. There's a 6 year gap between Daggerfall and Morrowind (1996-2002) and gaming changed so much in that time. That's not to knock the older games, I'm sure they're good too. Personally, I'd say you can really start anywhere for the lore. A lot of it comes in books that you can choose to read or not depending on your preference (kind of like the codex entries in Dragon Age). Part of the fun is how uncertain everything is - there are so many different perspectives that you often don't know for sure what really happened in the backstory. Morrowind is especially rich in backstory and it's tied in very nicely to the main plot. I guess, ideally you'd start at Morrowind and go forwards, though Oblivion probably provides more backstory for Skyrim's main quest and maybe the graphics and gameplay would be more familiar for Skyrim players. As for graphics, as copper said, the landscapes still look pretty good in Morrowind and Oblivion. It's the people who look more primitive to modern eyes. One thing to bear in mind is that Oblivion and Skyrim have more action game style combat where hitting and blocking are based on your own timing, whereas in Morrowind it's more old school RPG style, so you have dice rolls and can miss at point blank range.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 26, 2017 21:54:32 GMT
It's probably like in every game: your character is always a special snowflake :-) I still like Morrowind a lot, it really has flair. Never really got into Oblivion and abandoned it halfway down the road. Hi Fyl! I hope the holiday season was kind to you and that you were able to go to some of the nice Christmas markets! I wish I had gone to more of them when I was in Germany several years ago. Anyhow, how do Morrowind or Oblivion compare graphic-wise to DAO or other games? How far back do you have to go with TES to get a feel for the lore? (I want to avoid ridiculously ancient games of course...) I find even Morrowind a bit too retro these days, but the events of Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion are all interesting to play through from a lore perspective.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 28, 2017 12:01:28 GMT
It's probably like in every game: your character is always a special snowflake :-) I still like Morrowind a lot, it really has flair. Never really got into Oblivion and abandoned it halfway down the road. Hi Fyl! I hope the holiday season was kind to you and that you were able to go to some of the nice Christmas markets! I wish I had gone to more of them when I was in Germany several years ago. Anyhow, how do Morrowind or Oblivion compare graphic-wise to DAO or other games? How far back do you have to go with TES to get a feel for the lore? (I want to avoid ridiculously ancient games of course...) Yes, I was at some Christmas markets, one had a medieval theme. Hope your holiday was great too. Morrowind was my first ES game and I had no problems following the lore, it gets explained in books and conversation. It is a bit outdated graphic wise, but the environment is still pretty and talented modder do a great job to improve the graphic. As far as I remember, there are much less bugs with conflicting mods. The modding was quite easy back then.
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Post by warden on Dec 28, 2017 20:01:11 GMT
if you have problems with graphics, just mod the games, plain and simple.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Dec 29, 2017 6:02:41 GMT
if you have problems with graphics, just mod the games, plain and simple. Of course, you can only go so far even with the best mods. That said, given my experience with DAO, Morrowind should be doable/
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Post by q9j9p on Jan 30, 2018 2:19:46 GMT
VisitationI love the narrative of Dragon Age Origins I love the Open World of Skyrim I love Witcher III for having both
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Post by helios969 on Mar 8, 2018 23:54:01 GMT
Well, if you like DAI sidequests, Skyrim is an entire game of them.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 9, 2018 13:00:19 GMT
FOR DRAGON... age. For Skyrim?
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Post by talyn82 on Mar 11, 2018 4:10:03 GMT
My favorite Elder Scrolls game is Morrowind with Skyrim close behind. The thing about ES games is not the story but the freedom to do what you want, and make any class. Aside from Morrowind which had a good story. The main quests in Oblivion and Skyrim leave much to be desired. Oblivion felt restrictive in terms of freedom due to the Oblivion crisis. It felt like I had to do the main quest NOW!!! Both Morrowind and SKyrim are not this way the threats are not that pronounced. For example in Morrowind the "villain" Dagoth Ur is safely tucked away in his citadel behind a ghostfence. Also what gives the ES games such longevity are the mods. The ES have a huge community that create a bunch of mods. Some are of great quality. While some not so much. But I always prefer BioWare and Obsidian games due to the stories and companions. I can't choose which BioWare game I like the most, besides the Mass Effect series I like them all.
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Post by skrillex on Apr 5, 2018 22:56:12 GMT
I had a lot more fun playing Skyrim than Dragon Age.In Skyrim I had total freedom of exploration which always brought me to amazing locations which I used to visit always in stealth mode.The cinematic finishing as well as the mods and all customizations available make it better than any DA game.I know they are very different,but Skyrim to me was more refreshing,as It didn't had any of the consuming and constant toxic disagreement I had to bear plenty of times from the DA companions whenever they didn't liked small (and mostly good) things my char did in DA.
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 6, 2018 0:58:39 GMT
I had a lot more fun playing Skyrim than Dragon Age.In Skyrim I had total freedom of exploration which always brought me to amazing locations which I used to visit always in stealth mode.The cinematic finishing as well as the mods and all customizations available make it better than any DA game.I know they are very different,but Skyrim to me was more refreshing,as It didn't had any of the consuming and constant toxic disagreement I had to bear plenty of times from the DA companions whenever they didn't liked small (and mostly good) things my char did in DA. Yeah mods open up a whole new world for Skyrim. Which is why I switched to PC gaming back in 2003 with Morrowind and it's mods, and never looked back. My current character in Skyrim SE is a Breton necromancer/Lich. He became a Lich through the 'Undeath' mod and it's addon's.
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Post by ergates on Apr 19, 2018 8:17:42 GMT
Both games have their merits. My heart will always belong to Dragon Age Origins, given that it's my all time favourite video game of all time - but Skyrim is one bloody brilliant game in it's own right. I've wasted God-alone knows how many hundreds of hours playing it, and tinkering around with my character.
Seems to be a lot of love for Morrowind in this thread, which I'd say is also a brilliant game, but now (in my opinion) feels very dated; and not just in terms of graphics. Personally I've always found the combat to be rather awkward and clunky.
In any case Skyrim has the one thing I absolutely yearn for in an RPG - total open-endedness and freedom to create exactly what I want. There's no actual classes in the game, instead you learn by doing. If I keep on casting spells I'll end up getting good with magic and ultimately create a mage, if I ignore magic and focus upon using a bow I'll end up with an archer.... or I can try to make a jack of all trades who flings fireballs, hits with a sword, and wears heavy plate, it's entirely up to me. My last Skyrim character was a sword and shield warrior at his core, but he also had maxed-out bow skills, maxed out stealth, and toward the end, after a lot of diligent practice was starting to make quite a bit of headway into using Illusion spells.
The PC version is 100% customisable. There's so many mods it's hard to know where to start. They can radically overhaul the graphics, add entirely new regions, cities, even new continents that mesh seamlessly with the core game, add new spells, items, outfits, people; races etc, completely change the interface, add all kinds of utility and functionality, or allow you to utterly bypass the vanilla story and be something completely different.
With the right mods, it's absolutely possible to create a character who has no combat abilities whatsoever, and no particular skills in anything save their chosen profession - and then spend the entire game as a 'normal' non-heroic character, who could be anything from a storekeeper, wood cutter, a beggar, a thief or a fisherman and hunter who takes their wares into cities, sets up a small fleamarket in the mains square and sells their wares to passing NPCs - or alternatively, you can become the greatest and most powerful warrior who ever lived.... or you could do both, starting out as a nobody, and then suddenly 'falling into adventure' and learning to fight. It's entirely up to you.
The visuals still look damned impressive even to this day. The remastered version improves things even more, though I'm personally using the original version, but with a whole host of graphical overhauls, textures, lighting, photorealistic flora, water, rocks, ENB overlay etc. which makes the game look incredible - even beyond the remastered version (which doesn't yet have quite the same variety of mods). Obviously this applies mostly to the PC version - though apparently console versions can also support mods. (I know nothing about consoles, so can't really add any more, or say to what extent).
I could go on about Skyrim all day if you let me - but for now, suffice to say that yes, it's worth playing. You won't get the same deep, rich characterisation as you do in Dragonage, or feel the same deep connection with the NPCs - but the sheer variety and scope of things to do, and the game's incredible open-endedness more than makes up for it.
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Post by Obadiah on Apr 20, 2018 5:35:56 GMT
There are no dwarves in Skyrim, which is lame!
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There are no dwarves in Skyrim, which is lame! There are dwarves in Skryim. They're called the dumner!
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There are no dwarves in Skyrim, which is lame! There are dwarves in Skryim. They're called the dumner! Dwemer. But already extinct...
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Post by Cantina on Apr 20, 2018 10:55:34 GMT
There are dwarves in Skryim. They're called the dumner! Dwemer. But already extinct... Supposedly. Dragons were considered extinct during the Oblivion era. Then many years later they returned. Same could happen for the Dwemer. Furthermore, Bethesda lore does not consider the Dwemer dwarves, but angry evil elves with beards. And GoldenGail3: Dumner are Dark Elves. (Shakes head). Young people. Skyrim is not Bethesda first Elder Scroll game, for us “old” people you need to go back to the days of Arena. I was aware of its existence, but never played it. My first Elder game was Morrowind, followed by Oblivion then Skyrim. Truth-be-told I enjoyed Oblivion far more then Skyrim and Morrowind. And to this day, “Shivering Isles” is the best DLC ever to be released. But let us play these cards fairly. DAO trumps Morrowind. Oblivion just barely trumps DA2. And Skyrim hands-down beats DAI. The problem with DAI is they spent far too much time using Skyrim as a back-drop for DAI then doing their own thing. If I want to play Skyrim, I’ll go play it. IMO, DA lore seems far more interesting, but when it comes to consistency Bethesda wins. Todd Howard, can be a tool. But at least he isn’t changing every single aspect of the game and highly respects the fans. When you play a Bethesda game such as Elder Scrolls or even Fallout, it feels like those games should be. You know what to expect but at the same time not know what to expect. When you go from DAO to DA2 that Dragon Age feeling is there. When it comes to DAI, that feeling is lost. Bethesda is good at doing their own thing and less worried about what everyone else is doing, whereas Bioware has this need to keep up with the Jones’. I hate to say it, but the clear winner is: Bethesda. If Bioware can pull their heads out of their asses and go back to a gritty adult RPG, to where your damn hands are not being held and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, then they just might make it.
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Post by q5tyhj on Apr 21, 2018 6:16:41 GMT
(Shakes head). Young people. Skyrim is not Bethesda first Elder Scroll game, for us “old” people you need to go back to the days of Arena. I was aware of its existence, but never played it. My first Elder game was Morrowind, followed by Oblivion then Skyrim. Truth-be-told I enjoyed Oblivion far more then Skyrim and Morrowind. And to this day, “Shivering Isles” is the best DLC ever to be released. But let us play these cards fairly. DAO trumps Morrowind. Oblivion just barely trumps DA2. And Skyrim hands-down beats DAI. Oh wow you definitely missed out if you never played Daggerfall. About as Elder Scrollsy a game as it gets, the game was absolutely MASSIVE, and completely open and free- wouldn't be so remarkable if it came out nowadays, but at the time it came out it was sort of mind-blowing. I imagine the graphics would be just brutally outdated if you went back and played it now, but if you enjoy Elder Scrolls games you probably would still get alot out of it. Just epic. Was hooked on Elder Scrolls forever after playing that game. And I agree about Oblivion/Morrowind>Skyrim, though this is probably more about Oblivion/Morrowind being great than it is about Skyrim being bad (it certainly wasn't bad, it was a very good game, it just wasn't quite up to the high standards of the previous ES games imo).
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