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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 4:16:21 GMT
Absolutely worth playing. I think it is a great character focused game, though it lacks in some other aspects, but it was a very rushed production. With polish it could have been the game it deserved to be. Also it has one of the best Bioware DLC's ever attached to it, can't go wrong there.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Sept 30, 2016 7:02:02 GMT
More spoiler! Oh, absolutely, no normal person would choose death. That's what I mean. And, Hawke thought their actions would ultimately end the threat. S/he had no reason to think something awful and unkillable was being unleashed on the world. I guess the Writers just wanted to give a burning reason why Hawke would bother to show up, so they had to have Hawke say lines to support it. Then they wanted you to sacrifice Hawke in the Fade. If you didn't they dropped the ball... because suddenly, that burning responsibility for Cory turns into, "I need to go baby sit the Wardens because Leliana won't lend me a Crow." High five for the Hawke love, we're way off topic. Hahaha. " Corypheus is my responsibility! ... Now if you'll excuse me, I hear Weisshaupt is lovely this time of year." Seems legit Anyway, to contribute to the topic, I agree with the general sentiment that DA2 is worth playing. It has its flaws, most of which come from being rushed, but it was unique and enjoyable on its own. It also had a lot of really cool ideas, even if they weren't done perfectly. A smaller-scale, more personal story, more in-depth approval mechanics (Rivalry) that really changed how the characters acted towards you (including romances) and even changed combat skills, a normal protagonist... I wish it got to be what it should have been, if there was more time It's not my favourite of the 3 games, but Hawke is certainly enjoyable and there are some great character dynamics. Tactics being available (and improved) makes the fighting a lot more tolerable as well. And for what it's worth, I like both Hawke voices even though I've only played with female Hawke so far, personally. I think Nicholas and Jo both did great jobs.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Sept 30, 2016 9:00:19 GMT
Should you play DA2? By the Goddess, yes! Don't just stand/sit/whatever you're doing here, go and play it!
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Post by Dovahkiin N7 on Sept 30, 2016 10:27:31 GMT
Should you play DA2? By the Goddess, yes! Don't just stand/sit/whatever you're doing here, go and play it! Definitely. Plus all the DLCs. They should be pretty cheap now. And if you like challenges, play nightmare difficulty. Overlook the reused areas and enjoy the battles.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 30, 2016 10:30:58 GMT
Should you play DA2? By the Goddess, yes! Don't just stand/sit/whatever you're doing here, go and play it! Definitely. Plus all the DLCs. They should be pretty cheap now. And if you like challenges, play nightmare difficulty. Overlook the reused areas and enjoy the battles. Oh, mage Hawke! So destructive!
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Post by fenris on Oct 5, 2016 12:08:49 GMT
Oh yes! DA2 is one of the best games I've played, but be prepared for the following: 1. The companions are widespread across a city. In order to talk to them, you need to run around town to their homes and such. 2. This game is NOTHING like your regular, classic RPGs. It's a personal story, following the life of a single character and its friends. There is no world saving event or such. 3. The voice acting and the companions in general are the best! Much better than DA:O and most of DA:I. Take all the time you can to enjoy them. 4. Because of the personal nature of this game, the characters are much more "Real." Most of your conversations with them won't be main-plot related at all, they each deal with their own stuff (which is part of why people call them "whinny" I think).
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Post by Dovahkiin N7 on Oct 5, 2016 19:22:11 GMT
Definitely. Plus all the DLCs. They should be pretty cheap now. And if you like challenges, play nightmare difficulty. Overlook the reused areas and enjoy the battles. Oh, mage Hawke! So destructive! I wanted to like this. But I generally side with templars and kill off the mages. I find them... ummm... untrustworthy.. so much so that I kill Anders every time and suspect cute Merrill will turn to abomination any time. Just can't trust her. Should we start a fight?
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 5, 2016 19:54:12 GMT
Oh, mage Hawke! So destructive! I wanted to like this. But I generally side with templars and kill off the mages. I find them... ummm... untrustworthy.. so much so that I kill Anders every time and suspect cute Merrill will turn to abomination any time. Just can't trust her. Should we start a fight? DA2 does overdo the blood mage thing! That said, if my Hawke's not a mage, his/her inclination is to protect Bethany. OTOH, how can mage Hawke go Templar?
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Post by Catilina on Oct 5, 2016 19:58:09 GMT
Oh, mage Hawke! So destructive! I wanted to like this. But I generally side with templars and kill off the mages. I find them... ummm... untrustworthy.. so much so that I kill Anders every time and suspect cute Merrill will turn to abomination any time. Just can't trust her. Should we start a fight? If you want, choose your weapon! But... I do not think that I should be defend the honor of Mages and Anders against this trustworthy Knight Commander-thingy...
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Post by Catilina on Oct 5, 2016 20:05:20 GMT
I wanted to like this. But I generally side with templars and kill off the mages. I find them... ummm... untrustworthy.. so much so that I kill Anders every time and suspect cute Merrill will turn to abomination any time. Just can't trust her. Should we start a fight? DA2 does overdo the blood mage thing! That said, if my Hawke's not a mage, his/her inclination is to protect Bethany. OTOH, how can mage Hawke go Templar? 1. So much hate his/her father, Bethany's memory, and him/herself (but in this case s/he should go straight into the Circle, as s/he arrived in Kirkwall... GAME OVER!), 2. Hypocrite 3. – (or perhaps at the end: because Templar Carver, for example)
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 5, 2016 21:00:58 GMT
DA2 does overdo the blood mage thing! That said, if my Hawke's not a mage, his/her inclination is to protect Bethany. OTOH, how can mage Hawke go Templar? 1. So much hate his/her father, Bethany's memory, and him/herself (but in this case s/he should go straight into the Circle, as s/he arrived in Kirkwall... GAME OVER!), 2. Hypocrite 3. – (or perhaps at the end: because Templar Carver, for example) I see your point. One definitely does have to get creative to avoid being confined by the starting situation of the Hawke family.
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Post by kalvarez on Oct 9, 2016 22:36:03 GMT
Just finished it and back to report. First, I liked the combat A LOT more that DA:O. I played a male mage Hawke and it's so much better, I also really liked the rogue from the times I controlled Isabella. As for the characters, I romanced Anders, and I really liked him. As someone that hates the chantry, circles and templars I found myself agreeing with him a lot. It was disturbing. I mean, you want the destroy the Chantry? He's basically a terrorist, but heck, if I could eliminate the Divine forever at the end of DAI, I would . I mean, he's nowhere near levels of Kaidan, Cullen or Alistair (Don't judge me I like my romances fluffy, cute-awkwards) but it was alright. I actually wanted more of an epilogue with them. I understand that if Hawke survives the fade, he reunites with him, right? I hope so, they're cute. Also, Varric is the best DA companion. I can see why they brought him back. And Isabela was great. I cackled like hell when she f*** Zevran. I want her back in DA4, with Dorian. The sassiness would be glorious. On the bad side, Carver is an idiot and I'm sorry he survived. Can you kill him?, tell me you can. Aveline, Merrill and Fenris were just there breathing for the most part. Fenris even turned against me at the end. Bastard! The story is good and it ties very nicely with DAI, but it feels kind of inconsequential. I know it isn't (it explains the Templar/Mage war) but it felt more like a prologue than a full story, but I guess that was the intention. Like a good portion of DAI (basically everything before Skyhold) is about fixing the mess left after DAII. Anyway, I love where the franchise is going, the stakes are higher than ever. I did appreciate not playing as space/medieval jesus for once and Hawke is my favorite of the three protagonist. Overall, I liked it. I'd say DAI > DAII > DAO. I know people claim DAO is the best one, but that's just my opinion
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Post by phoray on Oct 9, 2016 22:48:21 GMT
Just finished it and back to report. First, I liked the combat A LOT more that DA:O. I played a male mage Hawke and it's so much better, I also really liked the rogue from the times I controlled Isabella. As for the characters, I romanced Anders, and I really liked him. As someone that hates the chantry, circles and templars I found myself agreeing with him a lot. It was disturbing. I mean, you want the destroy the Chantry? He's basically a terrorist, but heck, if I could eliminate the Divine forever at the end of DAI, I would . I mean, he's nowhere near levels of Kaidan, Cullen or Alistair (Don't judge me I like my romances fluffy, cute-awkwards) but it was alright. I actually wanted more of an epilogue with them. I understand that if Hawke survives the fade, he reunites with him, right? I hope so, they're cute. Also, Varric is the best DA companion. I can see why they brought him back. And Isabela was great. I cackled like hell when she f*** Zevran. I want her back in DA4, with Dorian. The sassiness would be glorious. On the bad side, Carver is an idiot and I'm sorry he survived. Can you kill him?, tell me you can. Aveline, Merrill and Fenris were just there breathing for the most part. Fenris even turned against me at the end. Bastard! The story is good and it ties very nicely with DAI, but it feels kind of inconsequential. I know it isn't (it explains the Templar/Mage war) but it felt more like a prologue than a full story, but I guess that was the intention. Like a good portion of DAI (basically everything before Skyhold) is about fixing the mess left after DAII. Anyway, I love where the franchise is going, the stakes are higher than ever. I did appreciate not playing as space/medieval jesus for once and Hawke is my favorite of the three protagonist. Overall, I liked it. I'd say DAI > DAII > DAO. I know people claim DAO is the best one, but that's just my opinion hahahahhahahaha your GIF of agreeing with Anders' stance was hilarious. It had been rumoured that Hawke was meant to be protaganist of DAI and that DA2 was supposed to be the prequel that got you super attached to Hawke as you kill close the breach and kill Cory. But then people hated DA2, and Hawke was scrapped and they went with bland protaganist with two sentences of Origin. If you'd brought Carver to the Deep Roads and didn't have Anders with you, he dies of taint just like Aveline's husband did at the start. DEad brother accomplished. I LOVED Warden Carver, though, so perhaps you should check out that Carver before killing him forever more. If you don't interact with a character enough, they won't have enough points to support you "no matter what". If you'd sided with the Templars, Merril would have turned on you. Since you sided with Msges, he turned on you. You have to have enough points. After having to kill my own companion and losing Isabella to the book in my first PT, I now make sure everybody is maxed out so they always support me. They're MY Crew. Rawr.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 9, 2016 22:58:10 GMT
Just finished it and back to report. First, I liked the combat A LOT more that DA:O. I played a male mage Hawke and it's so much better, I also really liked the rogue from the times I controlled Isabella. As for the characters, I romanced Anders, and I really liked him. As someone that hates the chantry, circles and templars I found myself agreeing with him a lot. It was disturbing. I mean, you want the destroy the Chantry? He's basically a terrorist, but heck, if I could eliminate the Divine forever at the end of DAI, I would . I mean, he's nowhere near levels of Kaidan, Cullen or Alistair (Don't judge me I like my romances fluffy, cute-awkwards) but it was alright. I actually wanted more of an epilogue with them. I understand that if Hawke survives the fade, he reunites with him, right? I hope so, they're cute. Also, Varric is the best DA companion. I can see why they brought him back. And Isabela was great. I cackled like hell when she f*** Zevran. I want her back in DA4, with Dorian. The sassiness would be glorious. On the bad side, Carver is an idiot and I'm sorry he survived. Can you kill him?, tell me you can. Aveline, Merrill and Fenris were just there breathing for the most part. Fenris even turned against me at the end. Bastard! The story is good and it ties very nicely with DAI, but it feels kind of inconsequential. I know it isn't (it explains the Templar/Mage war) but it felt more like a prologue than a full story, but I guess that was the intention. Like a good portion of DAI (basically everything before Skyhold) is about fixing the mess left after DAII. Anyway, I love where the franchise is going, the stakes are higher than ever. I did appreciate not playing as space/medieval jesus for once and Hawke is my favorite of the three protagonist. Overall, I liked it. I'd say DAI > DAII > DAO. I know people claim DAO is the best one, but that's just my opinion Just a suggestion: give a chance to Carver! He is very good brother, just an asshole. I like him, so much, especially as Templar. (Don't need to try befriend with him. Rival Carver is fun.) Despite that my Hawkes mostly radical, Anders-like pro-mages. And: you can easily keep Fenris at mage side, and Fenris also good romance, no matter, rivalry or friendship. (True, on the rivalry path Fenris more angry.) Fenris more interesting companion, and more open-minded, than seeing at first sight.
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Post by kalvarez on Oct 9, 2016 23:21:05 GMT
hahahahhahahaha your GIF of agreeing with Anders' stance was hilarious. It had been rumoured that Hawke was meant to be protaganist of DAI and that DA2 was supposed to be the prequel that got you super attached to Hawke as you kill close the breach and kill Cory. But then people hated DA2, and Hawke was scrapped and they went with bland protaganist with two sentences of Origin. If you'd brought Carver to the Deep Roads and didn't have Anders with you, he dies of taint just like Aveline's husband did at the start. DEad brother accomplished. I LOVED Warden Carver, though, so perhaps you should check out that Carver before killing him forever more. I get why people could hate this game. The whole recycled dungeons is lazy as hell (especially in 2011), but I feel nostalgia played a big part. I played Origin just before this one and is no masterpiece, by a long shot. But to each its own. Oh so you can kill him! Maybe I'll try Warden Carver, it just that I HATE whiny siblings (in life and in games). It's my story, be happy you get to tag along. I could try and romance Fenris but he annoyed me really fast.
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Post by kalvarez on Oct 9, 2016 23:25:50 GMT
Just a suggestion: give a chance to Carver! He is very good brother, just an asshole. I like him, so much, especially as Templar. (Don't need to try befriend with him. Rival Carver is fun.) Despite that my Hawkes mostly radical, Anders-like pro-mages. And: you can easily keep Fenris at mage side, and Fenris also good romance, no matter, rivalry or friendship. (True, on the rivalry path Fenris more angry.) Fenris more interesting companion, and more open-minded, than seeing at first sight. I'm intrigued by Fenris, but he annoyed me to much in Act1. Also is any of the DLC worth it? From the description only Legacy seems interesting, but I hate Corphy so I don't know?
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Post by Catilina on Oct 9, 2016 23:34:32 GMT
Just a suggestion: give a chance to Carver! He is very good brother, just an asshole. I like him, so much, especially as Templar. (Don't need to try befriend with him. Rival Carver is fun.) Despite that my Hawkes mostly radical, Anders-like pro-mages. And: you can easily keep Fenris at mage side, and Fenris also good romance, no matter, rivalry or friendship. (True, on the rivalry path Fenris more angry.) Fenris more interesting companion, and more open-minded, than seeing at first sight. I'm intrigued by Fenris, but he annoyed me to much in Act1. Also is any of the DLC worth it? From the description only Legacy seems interesting, but I hate Corphy so I don't know? Legacy must have, and I like also MotA, it's fun. Fenris not a "first sight" character I think. He annoyed me too in the first playthrough, but later I gave him a chance, and I found his romance intensive and hot, and he is devoted, so: worth it! (My opinion) – And the Legacy with Anders and Fenris (and Templar) Carver is very fun. True, not everyone likes Fenris (but more than Anders).
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Post by phoray on Oct 9, 2016 23:57:39 GMT
I didn't like Fenris until my second play through. Now he may just be my cannon romance.
Legacy is a must have. WARDEN Carver grows up. I hear Templar Carver just sort of regrets going into the Templars but with the Wardens... His Warden LEtter is great, his showing up in the middle of the Qun attack is great, every part of him in LEgacy is great. I've never had a Templar Carver, but if he's as whiny as everyone seems to say he is, I'd go Warden Carver or Dead Carver.
Some people ADORE Bethany but *sigh* She's bland to me. I'd rather someone argue to give flavor to the game, and she just gets along with everyone. Even the mage Hater Fenris likes her. You have to play non mage class to get her though.
The first time I hit the recycled dungeons I was like WTF...but got over it. Playing Origins for the third time, I realized they did some annoying map things too. And every major area is reused. It was narratively covered up very well, though, whereas there was no reason in DA2 for everything to look the same.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 9, 2016 23:58:31 GMT
Just a suggestion: give a chance to Carver! He is very good brother, just an asshole. I like him, so much, especially as Templar. (Don't need to try befriend with him. Rival Carver is fun.) Despite that my Hawkes mostly radical, Anders-like pro-mages. And: you can easily keep Fenris at mage side, and Fenris also good romance, no matter, rivalry or friendship. (True, on the rivalry path Fenris more angry.) Fenris more interesting companion, and more open-minded, than seeing at first sight. I'm intrigued by Fenris, but he annoyed me to much in Act1. Also is any of the DLC worth it? From the description only Legacy seems interesting, but I hate Corphy so I don't know? Try to keep in perspective that Fenris lost the memories of the majority of his life, and can only remember the years he spent living as Danarius's lyrium weapon. Of course he's a mess. Give him a chance MotA is lots of fun, and Legacy, as you know, introduces Corypheus. You also learn more about Malcolm Hawke, and can choose to spend more time with your sibling. The story is rather sad, while MotA is funny, but both are very worth it. Sebastian, on the other hand...I use him since I have him, but I suggest waiting for a sale before you buy.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 10, 2016 2:35:39 GMT
Just a suggestion: give a chance to Carver! He is very good brother, just an asshole. I like him, so much, especially as Templar. (Don't need to try befriend with him. Rival Carver is fun.) Despite that my Hawkes mostly radical, Anders-like pro-mages. And: you can easily keep Fenris at mage side, and Fenris also good romance, no matter, rivalry or friendship. (True, on the rivalry path Fenris more angry.) Fenris more interesting companion, and more open-minded, than seeing at first sight. I'm intrigued by Fenris, but he annoyed me to much in Act1. Also is any of the DLC worth it? From the description only Legacy seems interesting, but I hate Corphy so I don't know? Legacy really does set you up for the beginning of Inquisition. It also explains Hawke's appearance later in Inquisition. Mark of the Assassin is fun and it's a good first adventure in Orlais. The story behind Mark and the character Talis is also pretty interesting. The Exiled Prince gives you an additional companion option, but is not necessary otherwise.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 10, 2016 12:24:08 GMT
I'm intrigued by Fenris, but he annoyed me to much in Act1. Also is any of the DLC worth it? From the description only Legacy seems interesting, but I hate Corphy so I don't know? Legacy really does set you up for the beginning of Inquisition. It also explains Hawke's appearance later in Inquisition. Mark of the Assassin is fun and it's a good first adventure in Orlais. The story behind Mark and the character Talis is also pretty interesting. The Exiled Prince gives you an additional companion option, but is not necessary otherwise. Pfft. I always forgot Sebastian DLC... When I bought the game, it was including. Sebastian have quest-line, and give deeper connection to the Chantry and Elthina. Have some interesting banter with Fenris (and others). I dont like his ending reaction, but I'm not alone with this. I can understand him, but still dont like this. Despite this, I can say: this DLC also good.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 10, 2016 16:37:11 GMT
Pfft. I always forgot Sebastian DLC... When I bought the game, it was including. Sebastian have quest-line, and give deeper connection to the Chantry and Elthina. Have some interesting banter with Fenris (and others). I dont like his ending reaction, but I'm not alone with this. I can understand him, but still dont like this. Despite this, I can say: this DLC also good. Same here.
His ending reaction makes sense and is fitting with his character. He seems to make decisions with emotion and on the fly and not thinking things through. His reaction in the end seems one of those emotional decisions. I can understand it but thought it was an empty threat towards Hawke. Maybe I'm wrong though, Sebastian did get vengeance on his family.
It is a good DLC and helps with the final ending and learning more about the Chantry and Elthina. Elthina was an interesting character.
I hadn't thought about that aspect of the DLC. Elthina was definitely an interesting, sympathetic character. Her interaction with Sebastian help fill that out.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 10, 2016 16:51:12 GMT
Same here.
His ending reaction makes sense and is fitting with his character. He seems to make decisions with emotion and on the fly and not thinking things through. His reaction in the end seems one of those emotional decisions. I can understand it but thought it was an empty threat towards Hawke. Maybe I'm wrong though, Sebastian did get vengeance on his family.
It is a good DLC and helps with the final ending and learning more about the Chantry and Elthina. Elthina was an interesting character. I hadn't thought about that aspect of the DLC. Elthina was definitely an interesting, sympathetic character. Her interaction with Sebastian help fill that out. I have a little problem with Elthina: she have humour, for example, I like this, but in his position she should not ignore Meredith cruelty (she knew about it) and the desperate situation of mages. I think, her "neutrality" was the reason of the formed situation. So: she don't have my sympathy. But this is my opinion.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 10, 2016 17:05:06 GMT
I hadn't thought about that aspect of the DLC. Elthina was definitely an interesting, sympathetic character. Her interaction with Sebastian help fill that out. I have a little problem with Elthina: she have humour, for example, I like this, but in his positin she should not ignore Meredith cruelty (she knew about it) and the desperate situation of mages. I think, her "neutrality" was the reason of the formed situation. So: she don't have my sympathy. But this is my opinion. She's sympathetic, she has moderate inclinations, but she's old and tired. She doesn't support the Andrastian radicals early in the game, but she lacks the energy to affirmatively challenge them or Meredith, who is still in her prime. One also sees late game that there are plenty of moderate Templars out there who are sympathetic to mages. You can understand that Anders/Justice is frustrated, but what he does to Elthina and the Grand Cathedral cannot be justified.
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