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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 4, 2016 2:43:10 GMT
So, besides Bioware? (only 2 would make the list, for me - never played ME) Hmm... In rough chronological order; Quest for Glory: So You Want to be a Hero Quest for Glory II: Trial By FireCivilization I Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords Vampire The Masquerade : Bloodlines Football Manager 2006 Batman: Arkham City (GotY Edition) Civilization V Pillars of Eternity The Witcher 3 The above all because of how they made me feel at the time I was playing them/release. Some, obviously wouldn't/don't stand up to the passing of time, but damn, they were good when they came out. I've seen some games come up since my last post here that made me think, "Yeah, I could have mentioned it," but that's nothing compared to how I felt when I saw the first two Quest for Glory games on your list! Those are easily two of the finest games I've ever played. Their simultaneous reverence/irreverence for the fantasy/hero genre was endearing, the mini-games were fun (mostly), and nearly every problem had multiple solutions available (the classic example being the retrieval of a ring from a tree: a fighter could throw rocks to dislodge it; a thief could climb to it; a mage could use telekinesis). Some of those things might not sound like much, but for a game with a command prompt (it came out in 1989), that was amazing! I only regret that I didn't have a computer that could run part 3 when it came out, so I lost touch with the series. Yeah, I know what you mean. Such simple, small things that made each class different and worthwhile. My favourite was the Magic User/Wizard but all three were so much fun. The third game was very good, too, but not quite on the same level and the fourth game was so buggy I was never able to finish it. As an aside, the whole 6 game pack (original 1 and VGA remake of 1) is available GoG if you're interested. I picked it up a while back and can confirm it works with Windows 7 (not tried it since updating to 10). So You Want to be a Hero was actually the first video game I ever played on a computer my family owned, so it has a great deal going for it in the nostalgia sense.
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Is it just me who actually prefers The Witcher 2 based on these posts? lol I loved 3 but the quests were so overwhelming. I am so fond of TW2 though and enjoyed playing it twice to get both stories!
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 4, 2016 2:49:29 GMT
Is it just me who actually prefers The Witcher 2 based on these posts? lol I loved 3 but the quests were so overwhelming. I am so fond of TW2 though and enjoyed playing it twice to get both stories! I'm sure there are many people that prefer TW2 over 3, but for me, Geralt was so damned unlikeable in that game (perhaps there was a story reason for it, I don't know - never read the books/comics or played the first one) and the combat...yeah, just not for me. I didn't dislike it, at all, and there were a great many things it did very, very well - just not in the GOAT discussion, IMO.
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Post by vroomvroom on Aug 4, 2016 2:51:11 GMT
Is it just me who actually prefers The Witcher 2 based on these posts? lol I loved 3 but the quests were so overwhelming. I am so fond of TW2 though and enjoyed playing it twice to get both stories! I love them both, but I haven't actually finished 3 yet and I got it on release X3 I need to restart the whole thing and play through it all, but I really loved 2's story and I grew used to the gameplay.
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Is it just me who actually prefers The Witcher 2 based on these posts? lol I loved 3 but the quests were so overwhelming. I am so fond of TW2 though and enjoyed playing it twice to get both stories! I'm sure there are many people that prefer TW2 over 3, but for me, Geralt was so damned unlikeable in that game (perhaps there was a story reason for it, I don't know - never read the books/comics or played the first one) and the combat...yeah, just not for me. I didn't dislike it, at all, and there were a great many things it did very, very well - just not in the GOAT discussion, IMO. I think what threw me off was the fist fighting lol I actually ended up hung because I failed the first time! What I enjoyed most though was the 2 stories. I liked playing Ciri (Female Hawke FTW) but I felt 2 had a more interesting story regarding the battlefield ghosts and how you deal with it depending on who you join (as well as a certain dragon's secret). I agree about Geralt though. I really liked him best in TW3 and the music... omg I love that soundtrack!!
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Post by Vormav on Aug 4, 2016 3:00:53 GMT
I've seen some games come up since my last post here that made me think, "Yeah, I could have mentioned it," but that's nothing compared to how I felt when I saw the first two Quest for Glory games on your list! Those are easily two of the finest games I've ever played. Their simultaneous reverence/irreverence for the fantasy/hero genre was endearing, the mini-games were fun (mostly), and nearly every problem had multiple solutions available (the classic example being the retrieval of a ring from a tree: a fighter could throw rocks to dislodge it; a thief could climb to it; a mage could use telekinesis). Some of those things might not sound like much, but for a game with a command prompt (it came out in 1989), that was amazing! I only regret that I didn't have a computer that could run part 3 when it came out, so I lost touch with the series. Yeah, I know what you mean. Such simple, small things that made each class different and worthwhile. My favourite was the Magic User/Wizard but all three were so much fun. The third game was very good, too, but not quite on the same level and the fourth game was so buggy I was never able to finish it. As an aside, the whole 6 game pack (original 1 and VGA remake of 1) is available GoG if you're interested. I picked it up a while back and can confirm it works with Windows 7 (not tried it since updating to 10). So You Want to be a Hero was actually the first video game I ever played on a computer my family owned, so it has a great deal going for it in the nostalgia sense. You quoted me before I could unbrick the text. :-[ I think my first PC game was Thexder, but I could be mistaken (whatever it was, I'm almost certain it was published by Sierra, though). I started with consoles before that.... I've seen the collection on GoG and have been tempted on several occasions. It's a bit surprising I haven't bought it yet, although I am a bit worried the experience won't live up to the nostalgia.
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Post by meplayer on Aug 4, 2016 3:14:52 GMT
#1 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 #2 mass effect 1 #3 mass effect 2 #4 The Last of Us #5 uncharted 2
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 4, 2016 10:01:59 GMT
Is it just me who actually prefers The Witcher 2 based on these posts? lol I loved 3 but the quests were so overwhelming. I am so fond of TW2 though and enjoyed playing it twice to get both stories! I couldn't say. I only got to part 2. W1 had awful UI and combat. W2 improved on that, but I couldn't really get into the rune stuff. Instead it gave me Quicktime events and when I was tossed into this tiny room with the boss of the first chapter I just went "Fuck it!". A shame - I had started to get interested in the story.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 4, 2016 10:54:43 GMT
Well, frak me for not mentioning Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines. The only game I own 3 copies of - the original CD version, the Steam version and the GOG version.
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Aug 4, 2016 11:01:44 GMT
The Witcher games are all flawed gems. CD Projekt RED is my favourite game company right now, but unfortunately it seems they just can't figure out how to do gameplay mechanics properly. TW3 is a great game and I really, really love it, don't get me wrong, but it has two glaring problems. Firstly, the skill system is, very literally and without any hyperbole, one of the supidest I've ever seen in any video game. It forces you to literally waste a large portion of your skill points, it's full of unnecessary restrictions and limitations, and it just makes combining different skill brances effectively outright impossible. Secondly, the combat is a mess. Everything is sluggish and unresponsive. Geralt locks into animation chains way too early and can't do animation cancels properly. Hitboxes and timings are all over the place. Blocking arrows is just totally unreliable, regardlesss of how well poised you are. Actions don't chain well together (just try quickly throwing an aimed grenade after a roll). Aard doesn't even work properly, e.g. casting it against a leaping opponent makes them stagger back, but the damage still gets through - but that's okay I guess, because Igni does everything Aard does, just better. Targeting system is horrible, e.g. it targets enemies between Geralt and the camera, even when Geralt is facing away from the camera. The implementation of difficulty is also just plain ridiculous, the only difficulty in the game comes from Geralt being inherently weaker - much weaker - than any common street bum (well, aside from broken mechanics causing lots of unnecessary deaths). Yet TW3 is still a great game, because even though it has major flaws, it does everything else so incredibly well. I just hope CDPR can figure things out in time, so that Cyberpunk 2077 won't be just another flawed gem, but a true masterpiece that excels in everything it does.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 4, 2016 11:13:27 GMT
The Witcher games are all flawed gems. CD Projekt RED is my favourite game company right now, but unfortunately it seems they just can't figure out how to do gameplay mechanics properly. TW3 is a great game and I really, really love it, don't get me wrong, but it has two glaring problems. Firstly, the skill system is, very literally and without any hyperbole, one of the supidest I've ever seen in any video game. It forces you to literally waste a large portion of your skill points, it's full of unnecessary restrictions and limitations, and it just makes combining different skill brances effectively outright impossible. Secondly, the combat is a mess. Everything is sluggish and unresponsive. Geralt locks into animation chains way too early and can't do animation cancels properly. Hitboxes and timings are all over the place. Blocking arrows is just totally unreliable, regardlesss of how well poised you are. Actions don't chain well together (just try quickly throwing an aimed grenade after a roll). Aard doesn't even work properly, e.g. casting it against a leaping opponent makes them stagger back, but the damage still gets through - but that's okay I guess, because Igni does everything Aard does, just better. Targeting system is horrible, e.g. it targets enemies between Geralt and the camera, even when Geralt is facing away from the camera. The implementation of difficulty is also just plain ridiculous, the only difficulty in the game comes from Geralt being inherently weaker - much weaker - than any common street bum (well, aside from broken mechanics causing lots of unnecessary deaths). Yet TW3 is still a great game, because even though it has major flaws, it does everything else so incredibly well. I just hope CDPR can figure things out in time, so that Cyberpunk 2077 won't be just another flawed gem, but a true masterpiece that excels in everything it does. Since there is a whole set of rules behind Cyberpunk 2077 (I played that a lot back in the day) there's hope it might be the first CDPR game I'll like. Unless they start pulling that stupid QTE stuff again.
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Post by TopTrog on Aug 4, 2016 11:26:39 GMT
.... M.U.L.E. (my 1st MP game and a damn good one, too) .... Another M.U.L.E. player, splendid .
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Post by TopTrog on Aug 4, 2016 11:33:58 GMT
No One Lives Forever 1 and 2 These two are like the greatest games that somehow almost never get mentioned anywhere when the topic of great games comes up. +1, could not agree more. They are excellent in every way, true classics .
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Post by corpusdei on Aug 4, 2016 12:12:33 GMT
Is it just me who actually prefers The Witcher 2 based on these posts? lol I loved 3 but the quests were so overwhelming. I am so fond of TW2 though and enjoyed playing it twice to get both stories! I liked the way it broke down into three main acts, with the second act being completely different depending on who you sided with ... but overall I thought it had the weakest story ... it's actually my least favourite in the trilogy. I don't like QTEs and inescapable boss fights that rely on doing something special to beat the boss (I really, really hated the Kayren fight); TW3 does it better in that most of the big monster fights are the same as the little monster fights - you use the same skills you've trained and modify your tactics. If you focused on sword-swinging you swing your sword, alchemy you'd chug potions and lob bombs (and swing your sword) ... there's no wrong way to approach the fight just because it's a boss. No need to chain certain powers or button-presses in a certain order to win. Also, no potion chugging on combat, why?! That totally changed the way I played from TW1 to TW2 (well, that and the change from combat stances to the slightly more fluid swordplay mechanic) - I just didn't find potions, at least not for combat, to be worth the effort in the TW2 at all. But bombs were more useful. ... aaaaaand, I found act 2, siding with the Scoia'tael kinda boring I'd still put the Witcher series up as some of my favourite "fantasy" games of all time. I love the "Old World" feel to the games; possibly because they're Polish but I think CDPR have managed to get that middle-ages European exactly "right". There's so much that ties into old folklore while at the same time the game slightly takes the mickey out of the whole genre. It's a brilliant mix to my mind.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 4, 2016 12:17:33 GMT
Gundam Extreme VS
Probably my favorite entry in the longtime VS franchise of games.
If you ever wanted practically ever Gundam saga ever crafted tossed into a single game, letting you fool around with all these iconic suits and characters...this is your game.
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Post by Fogg on Aug 4, 2016 12:24:18 GMT
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 4, 2016 12:27:14 GMT
.... M.U.L.E. (my 1st MP game and a damn good one, too) .... Another M.U.L.E. player, splendid . "Why don't you sell me that food? You have so much!" "Why don't you pay a reasonable price?""You're the reason the colony is going to the drains!" "Uhuh? You're a selfish dick just looking for your own profit anyway!"
Priceless . The simplicity of it's design still appeals to me today. It's a masterpiece.
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Aug 4, 2016 12:31:57 GMT
Is it just me who actually prefers The Witcher 2 based on these posts? lol I loved 3 but the quests were so overwhelming. I am so fond of TW2 though and enjoyed playing it twice to get both stories! I liked the way it broke down into three main acts, with the second act being completely different depending on who you sided with ... but overall I thought it had the weakest story ... it's actually my least favourite in the trilogy. I don't like QTEs and inescapable boss fights that rely on doing something special to beat the boss (I really, really hated the Kayren fight); TW3 does it better in that most of the big monster fights are the same as the little monster fights - you use the same skills you've trained and modify your tactics. If you focused on sword-swinging you swing your sword, alchemy you'd chug potions and lob bombs (and swing your sword) ... there's no wrong way to approach the fight just because it's a boss. No need to chain certain powers or button-presses in a certain order to win. Also, no potion chugging on combat, why?! That totally changed the way I played from TW1 to TW2 (well, that and the change from combat stances to the slightly more fluid swordplay mechanic) - I just didn't find potions, at least not for combat, to be worth the effort in the TW2 at all. But bombs were more useful. ... aaaaaand, I found act 2, siding with the Scoia'tael kinda boring I'd still put the Witcher series up as some of my favourite "fantasy" games of all time. I love the "Old World" feel to the games; possibly because they're Polish but I think CDPR have managed to get that middle-ages European exactly "right". There's so much that ties into old folklore while at the same time the game slightly takes the mickey out of the whole genre. It's a brilliant mix to my mind. I like what you have to say; however, I disagree about TW2's story. I think it was great. More specifically, it was great because of a combination of two things. First thing: complexity and layers. I loved how complex it was. There were so many players, so many factions, so many plots, so many people trying undermine others to get what they want. Second thing: it all made sense. Everyone acted realistically, true to their characters. Characters did what they did, not because the script required them to do so, but because it made sense for them to do so at the time. The result was a totally consistent, believable story with lots of little twists and surprises and characters that acted like real human beings. It's a pity so few games can pull this off.
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Post by Teabaggin Krogan on Aug 4, 2016 12:34:31 GMT
The Dark Souls and Bloodborne are definitely up there for me. Other than the slightly lackluster graphics, everything about these games are perfect from the game and level design, combat, art direction and attention to detail to the subtly narrated story but elegant main plot. It's really a matter of wondering at how far the rabbit hole goes with all the depth to the combat especially in pvp. Definitely something you should at least try out.
Other than that, loved the Witcher 3 which is just an awesome gaming experience as well as the Tomb Raider reboots which were surprisingly good. Also a huge fan of the Battlefield series and the online warfare gamemodes. Lots of fun times all round in those and the new Battlefield 1 looks pretty good as well.
Then there's Last of Us, uncharted, god of war, killzone etc which were playstation exclusives but definitely awesome games. And of course Mass Effect!
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Aug 4, 2016 12:55:17 GMT
This is a game I planned to bring up from the start, and I'm really glad someone else thought of it too, because it's a ****ing amazing game. Super Metroid does everything it tries to achieve damn near perfectly. The gameplay is top notch and the atmosphere is incredible. However, what's truly special about it is the overall level design of the game, which is what really gives it its character. Luckily I don't have to explain this at all, because the're already a wonderful, fascinating article that does it amazingly well. If you're at all interested in game design, I really, really recommend reading that.
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Here's 10 from me. The first couple are my top two, the rest are in no particular order:
Planescape: Torment - Need I say anything?
Baldur's Gate 2 - Still BW's finest, and that's not just nostalgia as I've replayed it recently. The D&D mechanics are as dodgy as always, but the story and characters are still utterly brilliant.
Civilization 4 - I've been a Civ fan since I borrowed the first one from a friend, and in the end, this one just about pips the rest of the series. 5 did bring in some great features and with the expansions is an excellent game, but 1UPT still doesn't really work, so 4 is usually the one I go to when I want a good old bit of Civ.
Wing Commander 2 - This one might well be nostalgia speaking, but it was my introduction to heavily story driven games, with the kind of plot, characters and so on you'd expect from a film or TV series, not a video game. Throw in some great gameplay (as a kid who was growing up on a diet of Star Wars and similar, being able to fly around in a starfighter was pretty much perfect) and WC2 will always remain one of my favourites (although I do still have nightmares about installing it - it came on something like 20 floppy disks...).
Football Manager - I'll put the whole series together here, as the latest one is always the best, even if it isn't a massive step forward over its predecessors. Horribly, horribly addictive games, I don't think there's any other that have evoked quite the level of emotion in me as FM, both the highs of success and the lows of failure. It's like following real sport.
KotOR2: The Sith Lords - Rushed and buggy, the fact that it's on this list shows just how good the story was. Easily the finest ever written for the Star Wars expanded universe.
Jade Empire - The second (and final) BW game to appear on here, JE feels more of a labour of love than any of their other work. The combat is decent if a little repetitive, but the setting is beautifully realised, the story thoroughly enjoyable, the characters interesting and most of all, the big bad is utterly phenomenal.
Europa Universalis 4 - My most played game on Steam (though if you add up all the FMs then they would be ahead, and some of the others on here I didn't have on said platform). Relatively accessible by Paradox standards, EU4 combines plenty of depth with great replayability through the sheer variety of nations to play and a excellent dose of historical flavour. Throw in a very healthy modding scene (I'm currently addicted to M&T) and you've got pretty much all you could want from a Grand Strategy game.
Victoria 2 - On the opposite side of PDox's stable to EUIV, Victoria is a hugely complex and pretty unaccessible game. It makes up for this by having some of the finest mechanics I've ever come across in a strategy game in the form of POPs in particular, though also production/industrialisation and the technology system. Its certainly not without its flaws, but the brilliance of the positive aspects more than outweigh them.
City of Heroes - I've played a lot of MMOs down the years, but none of them could match CoH where it most matters: sheer enjoyment. It didn't have any real "end game" and it wasn't particularly well balanced, but the gameplay, though relatively simple, was great fun, the setting and stories were a perfect take on the superhero genre, there was a huge variety of superpowers to play around with, the character creation and customisation is arguably still unparalleled and the community was amazingly friendly and welcoming.
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Post by Pearl on Aug 4, 2016 13:08:56 GMT
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Post by Fogg on Aug 4, 2016 13:17:31 GMT
...Double Dragon 1 & 2... Kicking your "friend" off the ladder was a right of passage around these parts. We'd often forget to advance the game.... I love this question, OP! In no particular order here are a few is a selection of my all time favourites: Master of Orion 2 -- Space 4x at its best, and the first game I ever played modded. I'm still looking for its rightful successor. Fallout New Vegas -- Of the Bethesda era Fallouts, this one came closest to capturing the feel of the originals, with the added advantage of an extensive modding community (why I rank this one higher than the first two). Final Fantasy Tactics -- My favourite story in a video game, which I doubt anyone who is familiar with it could have guessed. I ended up using "Vormav" in an MMO (Asheron's Call) ages ago after I kept trying to take other names from FFT... Vormav was the first one I found that was free and I've used it since. Phantasy Star 2 -- RPG for the Sega Genesis, this was my favourite game for that console. Did Final Fantasy 7, but eight years earlier. Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 3 -- Classic Square for the Super Nintendo. Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind -- It's a tough call between this and Skyrim for favourite ES game, but the Morrowind story felt that much more epic to me, the depth and breadth of the world that much grander, and the setting was alien enough to distinguish it from most other fantasy RPGs. If I gave Skyrim the nod it would have been because of the modding community (not unlike New Vegas, above). Civilization 5 -- It takes all of the major expansions to rise above the other Civ games I've played, but it gets there in the end. As a history nerd this franchise is as good as gold to me, and I've spent more time playing Civ 5 than any other game. Most of that time has been spent playing on massive Earth maps with me trying to rebuild or surpass the historical civs that I'm playing as. Baldur's Gate 2 (plus Throne of Bhaal) -- Took BG1 to another level. Icewind Dale -- Another D&D RPG by Black Isle. For being a self-contained adventure and story, and being able to create your entire party, I preferred it to the BG series at the time. Today, ironically, I look back more fondly on the BG series in part because of the NPC party members, though. (I never played Planescape at the time, which I regret to this day, or it might be here in this spot instead). Red Dead Redemption -- Because it's a western, and there are no clowns (which is where the "redemption" comes in, I'm sure). Mass Effect 2 -- The suicide mission. I shouldn't need to go into further detail on this forum. Mass Effect 3 -- The multiplayer. It's simple, it's cooperative, and there is a massive amount of variation. I need to stop there or I'll keep going 'till I find out if there's a character limit. Dude, if you're looking for a MoO successor and like history, you should check out the games by Paradox Interactive
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Aug 4, 2016 13:31:11 GMT
Icewind Dale -- Another D&D RPG by Black Isle. For being a self-contained adventure and story, and being able to create your entire party, I preferred it to the BG series at the time. Today, ironically, I look back more fondly on the BG series in part because of the NPC party members, though. (I never played Planescape at the time, which I regret to this day, or it might be here in this spot instead). You could actually create your entire party in the BG series - you only had to start the game in multiplayer mode. It's a pity this option was not more widely advertised. Multiplayer mode did bring in some extra UI cruft, but this could be circumvented by moving the save file from the MP save folder to the SP save folder.
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Post by PhroX on Aug 4, 2016 13:33:04 GMT
Icewind Dale -- Another D&D RPG by Black Isle. For being a self-contained adventure and story, and being able to create your entire party, I preferred it to the BG series at the time. Today, ironically, I look back more fondly on the BG series in part because of the NPC party members, though. (I never played Planescape at the time, which I regret to this day, or it might be here in this spot instead). You could actually create your entire party in the BG series - you only had to start the game in multiplayer mode. It's a pity this option was not more widely advertised. Multiplayer mode did bring in some extra UI cruft, but this could be circumvented by moving the save file from the MP save folder to the SP save folder. Heh, based on speaking with other BG fans down the years, I do sometimes wonder if I was the only person who used the MP mode for actual multiplayer rather than just creating extra characters like this....
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