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Post by phoray on Sept 29, 2016 22:13:00 GMT
I had two drastically different experiences with Sera, and it's still a mystery to me as to why I got one and not the other. There are some factors that I feel are connected, but I'm not sure which one, or if it's all, to point to. Neither my Quizzies were in a romance with Sera, they were either with Cullen or Blackwall. First Quiz: Mage. Female. Drank from the Well of Sorrows. Never got the cookies scene, but they didn't hate each other either. So, come back from the Well, and she's angry, like she always is and my mage says the elven stuff is cool. Sera goes on a rant and my Mage says, "Are you saying you will no longer be my friend unless I agree with you?"--Sera: "Yeah."" My first Quiz felt emotionally blackmailed and caved. Never got the offer to be a Red Jenny. Second Quiz: Rogue. Female. Didn't drink from the Well of Sorrows. Got the Cookies Scene, but later, after this scene. I didn't even get the dialogue option to ask if she was threatening my Rogue Friendship. My Rogue stood her ground, and Sera grumbled and walked off. Stayed friends. Got the Offer to be a Red Jenny. So. Is it: - Class?
- Incorrect Dialogue choices?
- Drinking from the Well?
- Amount of approval points before the conversation?
A follow up question; does saying Elven religion is cool ALWAYS break off the relationship with Sera, in your experience?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 22:22:21 GMT
I tried the scene with a few of my characters. 1 female mage elf who drank from the well 1 male rogue elf who drank from the well 1 female warrior elf who did not drink from the well 1 male rogue dwarf who did not drink from the well. Think the males never got cookies scene, at least Sera wouldn't talk to them in Trespasser. Females got cookies I think.
None of these could goad her into not wanting to be their friend. Tried it also with female, qunari rogue who romanced her and she was still content to agree to disagree. (The others were seeing someone other than Sera) I think she only breaks up with Quizzy due to religion if Quizzy is an elf. Atleast she was fine with my Qunari becoming super elfy all of a sudden.
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Post by phoray on Sept 29, 2016 22:30:34 GMT
I tried the scene with a few of my characters. 1 female mage elf who drank from the well 1 male rogue elf who drank from the well 1 female warrior elf who did not drink from the well 1 male rogue dwarf who did not drink from the well. Think the males never got cookies scene, at least Sera wouldn't talk to them in Trespasser. Females got cookies I think. None of these could goad her into not wanting to be their friend. Tried it also with female, qunari rogue who romanced her and she was still content to agree to disagree. (The others were seeing someone other than Sera) I think she only breaks up with Quizzy due to religion if Quizzy is an elf. Atleast she was fine with my Qunari becoming super elfy all of a sudden. So, from what you're saying, you think it was dialogue choices?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 22:36:40 GMT
So, from what you're saying, you think it was dialogue choices? I'd rather think it was approval based. Since I exhausted the dialog options with the female mage and did semi thourough checks with the rest of them. All got similiar dialog. But I'm not sure how low the low approval ones were and had no way to drop the approval to the rock bottom for the two who didn't get the cookies scene. So my characters might just have had to high approval. But I'm pretty sure it's not related to drinking from the Well or class based. EDIT: Can you remember if your first mage had done the lord Hammond stuff? EDIT2: Actually, it's probably not approval based. Since I'm one puppy kick short of "Piss up a rope" greeting with a low approval Well drinker and she still wont fight me! (Or threaten not to be my friend, but fighting is more fun)
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Post by phoray on Sept 30, 2016 0:01:14 GMT
So, from what you're saying, you think it was dialogue choices? I'd rather think it was approval based. Since I exhausted the dialog options with the female mage and did semi thourough checks with the rest of them. All got similiar dialog. But I'm not sure how low the low approval ones were and had no way to drop the approval to the rock bottom for the two who didn't get the cookies scene. So my characters might just have had to high approval. But I'm pretty sure it's not related to drinking from the Well or class based. EDIT: Can you remember if your first mage had done the lord Hammond stuff? EDIT2: Actually, it's probably not approval based. Since I'm one puppy kick short of "Piss up a rope" greeting with a low approval Well drinker and she still wont fight me! (Or threaten not to be my friend, but fighting is more fun) Well of Sorrows was pretty late, pretty sure I'd done the Lord Hammond quest and leashed him, which got approval, as you know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 14:39:39 GMT
Well of Sorrows was pretty late, pretty sure I'd done the Lord Hammond quest and leashed him, which got approval, as you know. The only other thing I can think of if your character had gotten the prank conversation with Sera or not. Otherwise I guess must have stumbled onto a very specific dialog path. Sadly I don't have that varied saves when it comes to Sera and the saves who could go different are all in the Hinterlands, so I can't do more testing. But it would be interesting to see the answer on this thread if you/someone else ever find it
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 30, 2016 19:42:05 GMT
The only help I can give with this is that may be the first experience had to do with not having high enough approval. If you had not had the cookies scene before going to the Arbor Wilds and then drank from the Well, this would seriously impact on your approval rating. She is not happy about anyone drinking from the Well. I assume you got the arrow in your face when you went to see her. My female elf mage did, but she hadn't been on good terms with Sera even since the latter ground Hammond to pulp while she was still talking to him and she took her to task over it. She never got asked to do any pranks, let alone cookies. Naturally she was never invited into the Jennies.
I think you have to have had the cookies scene to be offered a place in the Red Jennies in Trespasser. I don't know if drinking from the Well will affect this since none of my ones who have been offered a place drank from the Well. They were male elves and wouldn't denounce their elven culture entirely, although tended to diffuse the situation with humour when she calls them an idiot for not doing so. One was a rogue and the other a mage. They had let her kill Hammond, done the pranks and been invited for cookies. I seem to recall that one run, where I had done everything but the cookies I was not offered membership of the Jennies but I can't be sure about that. I'm pretty sure he was still considered her friend though, just not enough to be a Jenny.
Come to think of it, I don't recall any ultimatum about being her friend so may be I didn't get the dialogue option, which would suggest it must be based on approval. You probably have to have got it high enough for her to have considered you a friend before going to the Arbor Wilds and then have dropped it sufficiently (for example by drinking) for her to react in that way. I'm sure my female elf didn't get any ultimatum about friendship but then I don't think her approval was ever high enough to be considered as such. Whilst I have never romanced Sera, it is my understanding that she will always break off the relationship if you refuse to denounce your elven culture.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 30, 2016 23:26:51 GMT
I've had high approval with Sera as a Dalish mage and seen both outcomes of the Well. Never got an ultimatum from her regarding their friendship so I'm curious if there's one with low approval.
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Post by melbella on Oct 2, 2016 20:56:55 GMT
I think it's approval-based as well. Pretty much if you get the cookie scene then you can react any way you want to the post-Mythal convo and it won't affect friendship or Jenny status later on. My Well-drinking, Solasmancing Lavellan basically told Sera that she was extremely offended by her anti-elfyness but still got the Jenny offer in Trespasser. My first two quizzies didn't get the cookie scene but were still on friendly terms and neither got a Jenny offer.
Note, if you are in a romance with Sera, the Jenny offer never comes up regardless - you get the marriage instead if you are still together.
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