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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 2, 2018 23:30:00 GMT
All knowledge is preliminary. Almost all science is theory, even "laws". Math is the closest thing to a firmament, and we still can't use math to explain all the operations of the mind. There is not the slightest hint or trace of Aliens ever having visited earth or even having interfered with humanity. Nothing. Not a single artifact, not a single evidence in our DNA, absolutely nothing. We are a very normal occurrence on our planet. Believing otherwise is, according to the evidence at hand, just a belief - which is based on nothing. Its actually less than religion because at least religion does have a few old texts on which the systems are based on. Science does create facts by proofing and disproving theories with science experiments, thats how we gather hard facts that allows us to build complex devices that send people into orbit and on the moon. We actually understand that stuff, its not just a theory. Science has found no evidence or hint that we have not evolved from apes, all evidence heavily suggests that we have evolved from apes. There is absolutely nothing that hints to another theory. You can theorize all you want, you can theorize that we are the descendants of Pokemon, its just equally valid as believing that we have alien influence in our DNA. There is no bit of evidence for that. I don't know therefore Quantum physics. I'd love you explaining that. It does, read some books, look up the skeletons, understand the logics behind it, look at the DNA, it is what is taught in school - for a reason. Evidence is everywhere. Now, show me your alien artifacts, your hard proof that aliens were here and that they created us. Come on, at least show us something that makes you theorize that Alien interference is true, or even worth theorizing about. I agree. I am not ok with my ignorance, I want to fill out the gaps with knowledge. I read books, I learn something new every day. I do not sit back idly and accept my ignorance, I work to become smarter and more knowledgeable. I am less ignorant every day. Of course you do if you want people take you seriously. Just assuming things out of your ass leads nowhere. Otherwise I could say that Hobgoblins and Unicorns exist because I choose to believe so, even though there is no evidence whatsoever for their existence. I don't have to proof it. Thats a very serious way to explain it, right? No, its not. I do know a lot of facts. Thanks to science I know earth is not flat, there is some water on the moon, Mars has only a trace atmosphere, radiation is harmful to our DNA, there is a certain velocity you need to reach to get to outer space, I have stuff like kidneys and bones in my body. My wishes do not matter, thats the way it is. Those are proven facts.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 2, 2018 23:43:30 GMT
Point is lost on you.
I too have studied science. I know the accepted theories, and make my own decisions about how theoretical some of them really are.
My job is essentially applied mathematics and physics. I may be ignorant of many things, but that is no crime. Thinking you can know everything in this existence is a crime against yourself, get real you tryhard.
As for Aliens being our progenitors, I never said it was definite, or that there was evidence. If I didn't say this exactly, here is exactly what I meant - The Theory of Evolution, as wonderfully expressive and descriptive of the world around us and how we got to this point, is still a theory and while some of it holds up very well, when you are talking about the missing link nothing adds up and a serious student of science wouldn't argue this point. It is also not significantly less likely that Aliens were involved, and nothing logically excludes them.
There I take you as less than you believe yourself to be - and I laugh and shrug because at your age I knew everything too, and if I didn't, by God, I would.
Sorry, it just doesn't work like that. I had people back then that told me this, and looking back it was a favor. Just like yourself, I didn't want to listen. It takes time.
You can cry "muh textbooks" and "this scientist saiz" and I can go round and round with you on the Academic level. The consensus you claim to exist is your own delusional pipedream.
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 2, 2018 23:47:49 GMT
Satisfied? Probably not, but I have adequately answered your challenge. You did not. You claimed "Logically, xenogenesis is as likely, if not more likely, than monkey man babies. " Ignoring the ignorance indicated by the way you phrased this, I asked you to present an argument for that position that makes this hypothesis appear more plausible than the counterclaim, and you didn't. Your quoting of Socrates is also flawed. We cannot know much in the philosophical sense, cannot know absolute truth, if such a thing even exists. Empirical knowledge, however, is not of that kind, and yet it is far from worthless, and it actually is what we speak of when we speak of "knowledge" in everyday life. Everything else is belief. As is your claim, and yes, I do claim that belief based on neither evidence or logical deduction is worthless. You did not present either for your claim, and thus your claim is worthless.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 2, 2018 23:51:12 GMT
You cannot find a single argument or single piece of something that suggests that there was alien interference with humans and you simply choose to discard all the things science has actually found that very heavily suggests that we have evolved from apes, which 99,99% of the science community is finding evidence for time and time again and actually teaches in classrooms? If thats so the conversation is over, there is no point in arguing further with someone who simply wants to believe despite all the actual scientific evidence, while not being able to come up with anything for their own theories. My job is essentially applied mathematics and physics. I may be ignorant of many things, but that is no crime. Thinking you can know everything in this existence is a crime against yourself, get real you tryhard. Not being able to read is a bigger crime. I never said I try to know everything. Or is this another thing you assume just because? I want to know as much as possible.
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 2, 2018 23:54:06 GMT
Giant Ambush Beetle - oh gosh, you're right... I have never heard of the Theory of Evolution, and I have certainly never heard of Dawkins although I have quoted him in papers for University as an undergrad... Man, you got me. Ah yes, the old bogus argument. There is nothing "only" about a scientific theory. If you claim something without sufficient evidence to have it challenge competing claims, it's called a hypothesis. A theory is a fully-fledged system supported by evidence. It's actually rather odd to me, to see people challenge one of the best-supported scientific theories that exist, just because their notions that their individual philosophy matters in the greater scheme of things. The intellectual dishonesty in such a stance is mind-boggling. Also, you never heard of a person you quoted in papers years ago....? If this is your measuring stick of coherence, then I'm not surprised you are unable to present a coherent argument for anything.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 2, 2018 23:55:24 GMT
Satisfied? Probably not, but I have adequately answered your challenge. You did not. You claimed "Logically, xenogenesis is as likely, if not more likely, than monkey man babies. " Ignoring the ignorance indicated by the way you phrased this, I asked you to present an argument for that position that makes this hypothesis appear more plausible than the counterclaim, and you didn't. Your quoting of Socrates is also flawed. We cannot know much in the philosophical sense, cannot know absolute truth, if such a thing even exists. Empirical knowledge, however, is not of that kind, and yet it is far from worthless, and it actually is what we speak of when we speak of "knowledge" in everyday life. Everything else is belief. As is your claim, and yes, I do claim that belief based on neither evidence or logical deduction is worthless. You did not present either for your claim, and thus your claim is worthless. Ok, so there is no missing link. Lucy, she ain't it. So, you have a significant gap in DNA between Uncle Chimp and ourselves, and no bridge to explain it. We have many animal tendencies, and yet we do not act like natural animals. Agent Smith described us as parasites, and that is more accurate to me. What we are arguing about cannot be reached empirically. Your argument is a failure. I have no belief, I through out a suggestion that is every bit as valid as your belief that evolution works exactly as Beetle believes it does. You want to harp on me about belief? Now you are getting hard to take seriously. Everything we are talking about is hypothesis. Not even theory. The Theory of Evolution breaks down when it comes to us, and sorry there is nothing you can provide that is exciting, new, or conclusive in this regard. And, I did lol at you when you told me I was quoting Socrates wrongly. We are exactly talking about belief. I am not the true believer here.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 3, 2018 0:07:06 GMT
[]Ok, so there is no missing link. Lucy, she ain't it. So, you have a significant gap in DNA between Uncle Chimp and ourselves, and no bridge to explain it. There isn't. No. ''Your argument is a failure'' is wonderfully ironic because that argument is a failure in itself. What does suggest that evolution does not work as the experts say? Show us anything that validates your theory and makes it worth considering. Page and pages and you have shown us nothing. I counter your theory with my theory that we are descendants of Hobgoblins and I do not have to proof it. There is nothing that suggests that this is true. And you have to accept it because there is a lot of stuff that is open because quantum physics. Sounds just like your theory, right?
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Post by Sifr on Jan 3, 2018 9:54:57 GMT
Really, the most plausible source of "alien intervention" in development of life on Earth is likely due to Panspermia, the hypothesis that most (if not all) bacterial life in the universe may have been seeded by meteoroids, asteroids, comets, etc. Even if we consider the possibility of "Directed Panspermia" in our case, who's to say life on Earth wasn't cause by some alien using our primordial rock as a good dumping ground for their garbage, several billion years ago? Would be rather amusing if all life on Earth began due to the alien equivalent of a half-eaten roast chicken being thrown out. Fun theory, but sadly one that can't be proven without sufficient evidence of directed intervention or actual alien life to compare with. At present the most we've found are a few scant samples of fossilised bacteria present on ancient Mars, but we'd probably need to find evidence for life elsewhere in the solar system (Europa, Titan or Enceladus are good candidates) before we can be reasonably more certain?
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 3, 2018 13:53:54 GMT
Really, the most plausible source of "alien intervention" in development of life on Earth is likely due to Panspermia, the hypothesis that most (if not all) bacterial life in the universe may have been seeded by meteoroids, asteroids, comets, etc. Even if we consider the possibility of "Directed Panspermia" in our case, who's to say life on Earth wasn't cause by some alien using our primordial rock as a good dumping ground for their garbage, several billion years ago? Would be rather amusing if all life on Earth began due to the alien equivalent of a half-eaten roast chicken being thrown out. Fun theory, but sadly one that can't be proven without sufficient evidence of directed intervention or actual alien life to compare with. At present the most we've found are a few scant samples of fossilised bacteria present on ancient Mars, but we'd probably need to find evidence for life elsewhere in the solar system (Europa, Titan or Enceladus are good candidates) before we can be reasonably more certain? As I understand, abiogenesis (the evolution from complex molecules to living organisms) is an unsolved problem as yet, so Panspermia is a viable candidate for the origin of life on Earth. As yet. However, that raises the question of how those alien spores came into being. At some point, abiogenesis must've taken place, else we'd be living in a really strange universe where life has existed right from the beginnings, and since the beginnings of the universe weren't exactly friendly to life, I'd say we can rule that out for now.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 3, 2018 13:56:37 GMT
Really, the most plausible source of "alien intervention" in development of life on Earth is likely due to Panspermia, the hypothesis that most (if not all) bacterial life in the universe may have been seeded by meteoroids, asteroids, comets, etc. NASA has actually undertaken tests about this very topic, they put a lot of very resilient bacteria on a small marble which they shot into sand at a velocity of several kilometers per second (I think it was 5 km/s), the same testbed they use to study the effects of meteor impacts on a very small scale. Surprisingly, the heat and force created by the impact killed every single bacteria, not one of them was intact. This was just a small scale test of course but the scientists concluded that ''seeding'' planets with life via meteorite impacts is theoretically possible but relatively unlikely because the bacteria have to survive so much heat and G's - and thats after surviving the harsh conditions in space for who knows how long.
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Post by lyq3r on Jan 3, 2018 14:00:28 GMT
Life is not a Mass Effect game, the Earth is not Thessia and we didn't find any Prothean devices, sculptures, nor evidence we might have evolved due to alien intervention so far. I doubt if any quarrels on the forum would change the course of events, so I'll just spam some humour. Cheers! Rippaz are coming!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 18:55:08 GMT
On a slight tangent it's been interesting to think that viral DNA has infiltrated our genetic structure through germ cells (sperm). Estimates range from less than 1% to 8% of our genetic structure isn't from original human DNA. Made me wonder what effects were introduced along the way. Probably batshit random, imagine if we were made more susceptible though. /shrug, fun to conjecture on this one for me. [Easy Wiki Link]
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