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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2017 14:32:22 GMT
So I’ve been toying with the idea of starting a YouTube channel focusing on Bioware stuff for a little while now. My initial thought was to cover Anthem news as it emerged, but now it doesn’t look like we’ll likely get much on that before Pax East in April.
So I thought to myself, “hey, you know what I love to talk about in Bioware games almost more than the characters themselves? LORE!” Because I’m that kind of nerd. I’d also like to start with Dragon Age because it has my favorite Bioware lore. It also means I get to use maps in the videos a lot, and I love maps.
My only question is where to start? My first thought was to start with Ferelden and talk about the Alamarri. But I’m not sure if that kind of history is just something that fascinates me or if it has wider appeal. So, what sort of lore topics would people like to see covered and what makes sense to you as a starting point?
(First video likely dropping in January)
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Post by warden on Dec 21, 2017 14:56:21 GMT
DAO started with Grey Wardens so, you should start with Grey Wardens.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 21, 2017 16:26:06 GMT
OH, YES PLEASE. I'm a sucker for lore videos. Ferelden and the Alamarri is a great topic to begin with, but then again I'm Avvar trash. I'll also suggest: the Neromenians and early Tevinter, since they were the first humans in Thedas.
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Post by xerrai on Dec 21, 2017 16:37:18 GMT
I would start it with the Chantry. More specifically the history of the Chantry. Because the Chantry is now invariably intertwined with how most Thedosians know and interpret a great deal of lore. Especially concerning topics like magic and certain events (ex. The Fall of the Dales, The Last Inquisitor). Drakon in particular is especially important with how his actions involve the creation the Circle of Magi, the Southern Chantry, Templar Order, Orlesian Expansionism, etc.
With a great deal of Thedas being in the hands of the Chantry, I think it would be a good base to start off on. It would also be a good opportunity to point out just how much thedosions don't know about even their own lore and history either due to institutions like the Chantry, honest ignorance and other factors. (Honestly, half of the series is lore reveals at this point so it should be mentioned that a lot of what is 'known' is subject to change)
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2017 16:42:13 GMT
I would start it with the Chantry. More specifically the history of the Chantry. Because the Chantry is now invariably intertwined with how most Thedosians know and interpret a great deal of lore. Especially concerning topics like magic and certain events (ex. The Fall of the Dales, The Last Inquisitor). Drakon in particular is especially important with how his actions involve the creation the Circle of Magi, the Southern Chantry, Templar Order, Orlesian Expansionism, etc. With a great deal of Thedas being in the hands of the Chantry, I think it would be a good base to start off on. It would also be a good opportunity to point out just how much thedosions don't know about even their own lore and history either due to institutions like the Chantry, honest ignorance and other factors. (Honestly, half of the series is lore reveals at this point so it should be mentioned that a lot of what is 'known' is subject to change) That’s kind of why I hesitate to do the chantry early, because it ties into so many topics that I would have to skim over.
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Post by phoray on Dec 21, 2017 17:01:27 GMT
gervaise21 would like this and is also an expert in their own right. I think you should start with small topics that are shorter, until you get a feel for what kind of things you want to include in your videos. A small topic that I adore are the bloodlines of characters in Origins. The Theirin Bloodline/rise to power in Fereldan politics in particular is something I love. How did Alistair come to be Alistair! But Cousland is also interesting. Or even each Countries politics and how they work. I still get a bit fuzzy about how Fereldan rules itself!
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2017 17:15:21 GMT
I was thinking of doing a part 1 and part 2 for Ferelden.
The first would be pre-Calenhad, the second would be more about modern Ferelden.
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Post by phoray on Dec 21, 2017 17:24:03 GMT
HeimdallStill a lot. And unless you pay money? I dunno how YT works, if it's over 5 minutes does it let you post them? or they get commercial interupts or what?
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2017 17:35:03 GMT
HeimdallStill a lot. And unless you pay money? I dunno how YT works, if it's over 5 minutes does it let you post them? or they get commercial interupts or what? You can post videos as long as you want on YouTube. I could post a multi hour long video there if I wanted. Commercials only show up if you, the uploader, decide to monetize a video. I’m gonna try to keep it under fifteen minutes if I can though
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Post by Gya on Dec 21, 2017 18:14:33 GMT
I'd second what Phoray said. I don't know if you know of Vaatividya, but the guy has become almost synonymous with Dark Souls lore; he started out with smaller character based videos before going on to larger topics.
So perhaps a good starting point would be lore for the various Warden origins, and the villains of DAO. From there, Hawke, and DA2 characters, and then Inquisition main characters. After that, or even concurrently, you could do videos on the blight, the fade, the veil, spirits, demons, tranquillity, the rise of the Chantry, ancient Tevinter, Andraste, elves, dwarves. Eventually you would get to the more complex and less well established topics such as the titans, the evanuris, and Mythal, to name but a few.
Regardless how you choose to proceed, consider me interested!
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2017 18:17:20 GMT
Hmm, any particular characters people would like to see?
I’m not quite sure about doing videos about player characters.
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Post by warden on Dec 21, 2017 18:53:19 GMT
with characters, this is a obvious thing but is always good to remind.
Let custom characters out, aka HoF or the inquisitor (as bad and boring the costumization on this one is) for what is worth of this guy. Basically focus on set characters.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 21, 2017 19:00:07 GMT
The fall of Arlathan would be an interesting one from my point of view.
Sort of "fixed moment" in history, and it sets the stage for everything that followed it.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 21, 2017 19:01:54 GMT
First, great idea! DO IT!
Second, I strongly recommend keeping the videos relatively short, at least at first. If you make a 90 minute master's thesis video, no one is going to watch it.
A a suggestion for format: I particularly like the CivilizationEx style of lore videos. He keeps them to about 10 minutes average, ranging 5 to 15 across a series. Since it's basically a spoken essay, he keeps it visually entertaining with a kind of visual slide show, that's done all on one slide. Hard to describe, just check a few out to see what I mean. Like this one:
In other videos, he uses a more traditional slide show format. The graphics are crude, but if the essay content is good enough, I don't think people will care.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 21, 2017 19:03:46 GMT
Hmm, any particular characters people would like to see? I’m not quite sure about doing videos about player characters. I love the idea of doing character-specific videos! There are a few lore videos on YT, but I rarely see in-depth character videos. That could help you stand out. I think covering the various Origins would be really interesting, actually. Like how Dwarf Commoner and Dwarf Noble origins intersect, or how Amell is related to Hawke, etc.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 21, 2017 19:11:50 GMT
For topics, you're probably a better judge than me. Pick stuff that fits the time limit.
I would suggest outlining topics as a series of videos, rather than single one-offs. If you are, for example, going to do Origins backgrounds, do that as a series and outline the whole thing before you start on vid 1. Knowing where you are going should ultimately make scripting easier.
Also, avoid lore that's under active change -- like anything having to do with ancient elves. Anything you do will likely be obsoleted in future games or media. It's probably better to take on historical situations that have run their course to completion and are unlikely to be revisited by future games, like the history of Redcliffe.
Given that, anything about dwarven history (though not too far back in time, because then we get into Titan territory, which is under active change) or the history of the Qun might make a good and relatively safe series.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2017 19:20:43 GMT
First, great idea! DO IT! Second, I strongly recommend keeping the videos relatively short, at least at first. If you make a 90 minute master's thesis video, no one is going to watch it. A a suggestion for format: I particularly like the CivilizationEx style of lore videos. He keeps them to about 10 minutes average, ranging 5 to 15 across a series. Since it's basically a spoken essay, he keeps it visually entertaining with a kind of visual slide show, that's done all on one slide. Hard to describe, just check a few out to see what I mean. Like this one: In other videos, he uses a more traditional slide show format. The graphics are crude, but if the essay content is good enough, I don't think people will care. Interesting. I was thinking I’d mostly use images from the games and other media. I’ll look at those though.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2017 19:26:08 GMT
For topics, you're probably a better judge than me. Pick stuff that fits the time limit. I would suggest outlining topics as a series of videos, rather than single one-offs. If you are, for example, going to do Origins backgrounds, do that as a series and outline the whole thing before you start on vid 1. Knowing where you are going should ultimately make scripting easier. Also, avoid lore that's under active change -- like anything having to do with ancient elves. Anything you do will likely be obsoleted in future games or media. It's probably better to take on historical situations that have run their course to completion and are unlikely to be revisited by future games, like the history of Redcliffe. Given that, anything about dwarven history (though not too far back in time, because then we get into Titan territory, which is under active change) or the history of the Qun might make a good and relatively safe series. My first thought was to keep away from stuff like the ancient elves too for that reason. My working thought was to focus on human history for the time being. I was gonna do a multipart history on the Alamarri (Although I’m a little less sure about how much interest there is for them) But I hadn’t thought to do character specific videos. Would, say, a Calenhad video have appeal to people?
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 21, 2017 19:27:46 GMT
I'd be interested in a Calenhad video. Or a Darinius video.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 21, 2017 19:32:35 GMT
For topics, you're probably a better judge than me. Pick stuff that fits the time limit. I would suggest outlining topics as a series of videos, rather than single one-offs. If you are, for example, going to do Origins backgrounds, do that as a series and outline the whole thing before you start on vid 1. Knowing where you are going should ultimately make scripting easier. Also, avoid lore that's under active change -- like anything having to do with ancient elves. Anything you do will likely be obsoleted in future games or media. It's probably better to take on historical situations that have run their course to completion and are unlikely to be revisited by future games, like the history of Redcliffe. Given that, anything about dwarven history (though not too far back in time, because then we get into Titan territory, which is under active change) or the history of the Qun might make a good and relatively safe series. My first thought was to keep away from stuff like the ancient elves too for that reason. My working thought was to focus on human history for the time being. I was gonna do a multipart history on the Alamarri (Although I’m a little less sure about how much interest there is for them) But I hadn’t thought to do character specific videos. Would, say, a Calenhad video have appeal to people? I'd watch it! Any characters from the novels are fair game too, since a) there are fans who haven't read the books and/or prefer watching vids over books, and 2) plenty of material available to work from. I'd watch the Alamarri also, or perhaps a series covering Chasind, Avvar, etc., but I agree with others above that using some character vids to start with might be better, both for as a shakedown for your creation process and for attracting interest.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 21, 2017 19:52:20 GMT
I think focussing on human history is a good idea because there is quite a lot out there and it has yet to be totally debunked by revelations in game. The elven history situation is now just way too convoluted and contradictory and there is a big question mark over dwarven history with the introduction of the Titans. Also elven history seems to have been covered quite a lot already on You Tube but I have seen much less on human history. May be you could investigate the origins of the various modern nations.
Ferelden and the Alamarri would seem to be a good place to begin. There seems to be a lot of lore associated with the barbarian tribes from their early origins to the establishment of Ferelden as a nation. It is also interesting to note that the Chantry and Circle system only really got established in Ferelden because of Calenhad's alliance with them, contrary to what the Chantry might like people to believe about universal acceptance of their version of Andrastrianism. Take a look at the history of the Ash Warriors for a real eye opener.
Then once you have covered the history of Ferelden, which should take a while, you could move on to, say, Orlais and how it developed from its barbarian roots.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2017 21:29:50 GMT
A hard part I think is going to be coming up with visuals. I mean, for some topics it will be relatively easy, but for something like Calenhad there are only so many images I could display with his life story.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 21, 2017 22:04:35 GMT
A hard part I think is going to be coming up with visuals. I mean, for some topics it will be relatively easy, but for something like Calenhad there are only so many images I could display with his life story. Well, there are images of the Ferelden countryside, Highever, the Landsmeet, images of the tribes he didn't manage to unite, dragons considering his bloodline... you could even contact and credit fanartists that have drawn obscure characters like Queen Mairyn.
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Post by eriador117 on Dec 22, 2017 13:18:37 GMT
Heimdall Still a lot. And unless you pay money? I dunno how YT works, if it's over 5 minutes does it let you post them? or they get commercial interupts or what? You can post videos as long as you want on YouTube. I could post a multi hour long video there if I wanted. Commercials only show up if you, the uploader, decide to monetize a video. I’m gonna try to keep it under fifteen minutes if I can though Or commercials also show up if you have used stuff such as clips from Harry Potter, or certain songs etc. as the rights holders to those want the commercial revenue from those. I have commercials on some of my vids but I don't get that money, the rights holders do. My channel is not monetized for me.
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Post by vit246 on Dec 23, 2017 4:08:35 GMT
I'm curious about Nevarra and anything about it. Particularly the Mortalitasi. Ferelden bores me.
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