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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 19:17:25 GMT
A simple yes/no poll to accompany some of the debate in the Star Wars Thread.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 24, 2017 19:53:22 GMT
I enjoy it the more i think about it and can't wait to see it again.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Dec 24, 2017 19:57:40 GMT
overall I liked it. I just wish we could have learned more about snoke before they killed him off. Also Leia's force space flight ability seemed over the top. Other than that it was a very good Star Wars movie.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Dec 24, 2017 23:04:12 GMT
Meh.
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Post by luin on Dec 25, 2017 0:13:10 GMT
Apologies...I was messing around, clicking the vote button more than once, and it counted my extra votes. I assumed that it wouldn't do that, and would limit me to one vote only, ugh. (Just to clarify, I voted for the 'yes' option.)
I did enjoy the movie, but the one thing I'm still not sure about is the depiction of Luke, and one scene in particular. People who have seen the movie will probably guess the one I'm talking about...it involves Kylo Ren. Aside from Luke, I quite liked it.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 25, 2017 0:28:52 GMT
Liked some parts, didn't like others.
But I will never forgive it for what it did to Luke's character.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 25, 2017 1:11:21 GMT
Good for the most part.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 25, 2017 6:49:24 GMT
It had a mix of "I've never seen that in a Star Wars movie -- I LOVE it!" mixed with "I've never seen that in a Star Wars movie -- I HATE it!" But overall the good outweighed the bad for me. Some things were not done well, and some things didn't make sense, but there were some very surprising, moving and beautiful moments that really made an impression on me. Also, some of the imagery is fantastic. I think Rian is heavily influenced by Arthurian legend, with Luke as Arthur and Kylo Ren as his nephew/son, Mordred. Arthur is told a prophecy that Mordred will be the death of him, so he tries to preemptively murder Mordred as a child. This one act of weakness by an otherwise good man causes ruin to befall him. The Book of Merlyn by T.H. White is especially relevant as it shows Arthur the night before his death as an old and regretful man, who would just like to fly away and leave all his responsibilities behind. As a relative oldster myself, I can see how an older Luke might make a terrible mistake in a moment of fear and weakness that he would never have done as a young man, so I can reconcile myself to that.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 25, 2017 7:27:44 GMT
Liked some parts, didn't like others. But I will never forgive it for what it did to Luke's character. I hated what Peter Jackson's LotR trilogy did to Faramir's character, but still enjoyed the movies despite that. Once I got over the shock of what happened in TLJ it made the rest of the movie interesting. I can accept it, but can see how others can't. It was pretty extreme, so I'm sure it came as a blow to the heart for many people.
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Post by ScumbagShepurd on Dec 25, 2017 9:03:25 GMT
overall I liked it. I just wish we could have learned more about snoke before they killed him off. Also Leia's force space flight ability seemed over the top. Other than that it was a very good Star Wars movie. dont worry, you'll get a prequel about Snoke eventually. Maybe a SW Story movie and a bunch of cartoons too. bow before your Disney overlords.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Dec 25, 2017 11:53:32 GMT
But I will never forgive it for what it did to Luke's character. I assume you're referring to the Ben Solo/Kylo Ren thing? What did it do to Luke's character? Show that he had a moment of moral weakness, but then turned away from it? Luke's character was never about being a figure of incorruptible pure pureness. It was about having an innate darkness inside of him, being clearly tempted by it, but then doing the right thing. And that's exactly what happened in that scene. Overall, I'd give the movie a C+. Some great moments, but was overall disjointed, tonally jarring, repetitive, and more than a few weak moments of writing.
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Post by Ocelot on Dec 25, 2017 12:44:22 GMT
But I will never forgive it for what it did to Luke's character. I assume you're referring to the Ben Solo/Kylo Ren thing? What did it do to Luke's character? Show that he had a moment of moral weakness, but then turned away from it? Luke's character was never about being a figure of incorruptible pure pureness. It was about having an innate darkness inside of him, being clearly tempted by it, but then doing the right thing. And that's exactly what happened in that scene. Overall, I'd give the movie a C+. Some great moments, but was overall disjointed, tonally jarring, repetitive, and more than a few weak moments of writing. Like how he almost killed Vader in Return of the Jedi.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 25, 2017 14:31:42 GMT
But I will never forgive it for what it did to Luke's character. I assume you're referring to the Ben Solo/Kylo Ren thing? What did it do to Luke's character? Show that he had a moment of moral weakness, but then turned away from it? Luke's character was never about being a figure of incorruptible pure pureness. It was about having an innate darkness inside of him, being clearly tempted by it, but then doing the right thing. And that's exactly what happened in that scene. Overall, I'd give the movie a C+. Some great moments, but was overall disjointed, tonally jarring, repetitive, and more than a few weak moments of writing. Bah, that's just the tip of the iceberg. What came after was worse. He just gave up. Gave up on his life, on his family and friends, on the Jedi. His entire post-Endor life was a waste. They turned one of cinema's greatest heroes of all time and turned him into a bitter, lonely old man.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Dec 25, 2017 15:28:02 GMT
Bah, that's just the tip of the iceberg. What came after was worse. He just gave up. Gave up on his life, on his family and friends, on the Jedi. His entire post-Endor life was a waste. They turned one of cinema's greatest heroes of all time and turned him into a bitter, lonely old man. Well, it's basically just a combination of Obi-Wan and Anakin's storylines. Like Obi-Wan, Luke failed his student by allowing him to fall to the Dark Side, ended up an old hermit in the middle of nowhere, and then died heroically after facing the student he failed one last time. And just like Anakin, Luke was once considered a great Jedi hero, lost his struggle with the Dark Side and became a shell of his former self (though in Luke's case, he was defeated by it rather than seduced), and then redeemed himself in the end with a self-sacrifice. It's certainly a bummer to witness the fall of a great hero we had previously believed would get a happily-ever-after, but in terms of character progression, this seems a pretty fitting continuation.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 25, 2017 15:43:00 GMT
Bah, that's just the tip of the iceberg. What came after was worse. He just gave up. Gave up on his life, on his family and friends, on the Jedi. His entire post-Endor life was a waste. They turned one of cinema's greatest heroes of all time and turned him into a bitter, lonely old man. Well, it's basically just a combination of Obi-Wan and Anakin's storylines. Like Obi-Wan, Luke failed his student by allowing him to fall to the Dark Side, ended up an old hermit in the middle of nowhere, and then died heroically after facing the student he failed one last time. And just like Anakin, Luke was once considered a great Jedi hero, lost his struggle with the Dark Side and became a shell of his former self (though in Luke's case, he was defeated by it rather than seduced), and then redeemed himself in the end with a self-sacrifice. It's certainly a bummer to witness the fall of a great hero we had previously believed would get a happily-ever-after, but in terms of character progression, this seems a pretty fitting continuation. A fitting continuation to just rip off previous storylines? Heck, at least Obi-Won devoted himself to secretly protecting Luke during his childhood. Luke had one job: "Pass on what you have learned" Bring back the Jedi. Instead he became a beach bum on the Island of the Porgs and could barely be stirred to teach Rey anything. THis isn't about a "happily ever after" this is about wasting the best years of his life. About giving up on life. This is a guy who didn't give up on redeeming Dark F*cking Vader after getting his hand cut off the last time he confronted him!
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 25, 2017 17:03:28 GMT
0 out of 10. Would not bang.
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Post by HK90210 on Dec 25, 2017 17:32:48 GMT
Hated the movie, myself. Not for its own sake, but what it does to the happy ending of RotJ(my favorite Star Wars movie).
I didn't expect things to be all hunky-dory after Episode VI. There's still an Empire to defeat. And war...war never changes. But to have ALL THREE heroes of the previous trilogy fail utterly at what they set out to do? Yeah, that is unnecessary.
Leia's failure to form a new government that does not repeat the same mistakes of the Old Republic? Han's growth from smuggler to 'General Solo' regressing because his kid turned bad? Luke failing at his one job after RotJ? This story could have been accomplished without all of them looking like spectacular failures in the wake of RotJ's great victory.
All that being said, I fail to see what's so bad about Leia turning into Mary Poppins. That doesn't bother me one bit. I'm far more leery of the 'green milk' scene. That was completely unnecessary.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 25, 2017 17:46:33 GMT
Hated the movie, myself. Not for its own sake, but what it does to the happy ending of RotJ(my favorite Star Wars movie). I didn't expect things to be all hunky-dory after Episode VI. There's still an Empire to defeat. And war...war never changes. But to have ALL THREE heroes of the previous trilogy fail utterly at what they set out to do? Yeah, that is unnecessary. Leia's failure to form a new government that does not repeat the same mistakes of the Old Republic? Han's growth from smuggler to 'General Solo' regressing because his kid turned bad? Luke failing at his one job after RotJ? This story could have been accomplished without all of them looking like spectacular failures in the wake of RotJ's great victory. All that being said, I fail to see what's so bad about Leia turning into Mary Poppins. That doesn't bother me one bit. I'm far more leery of the 'green milk' scene. That was completely unnecessary. I take it you're not looking forward to Episode IX: Pink Milk?
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Post by KingTony on Dec 25, 2017 18:49:19 GMT
I thought it was very decent, and had a few scenes that are standouts of the whole series IMO
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Post by Melra on Dec 25, 2017 19:00:46 GMT
Put in "It was crap" in search field on YouTube, top of the top 3 results were The Last Jedi videos. And nope, I didn't enjoy it. My brain just can't ignore that large amounts of inconsistency, crap and gender politics. All that being said, I fail to see what's so bad about Leia turning into Mary Poppins. That doesn't bother me one bit. I'm far more leery of the 'green milk' scene. That was completely unnecessary. Well the whole scene around it was horribly executed and just not thought out at all. Even if she didn't Superman about, still how the scene ends makes no sense. It's just layers of junk put on top of each other.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 25, 2017 19:11:07 GMT
Well, it's basically just a combination of Obi-Wan and Anakin's storylines. Like Obi-Wan, Luke failed his student by allowing him to fall to the Dark Side, ended up an old hermit in the middle of nowhere, and then died heroically after facing the student he failed one last time. And just like Anakin, Luke was once considered a great Jedi hero, lost his struggle with the Dark Side and became a shell of his former self (though in Luke's case, he was defeated by it rather than seduced), and then redeemed himself in the end with a self-sacrifice. It's certainly a bummer to witness the fall of a great hero we had previously believed would get a happily-ever-after, but in terms of character progression, this seems a pretty fitting continuation. A fitting continuation to just rip off previous storylines? Heck, at least Obi-Won devoted himself to secretly protecting Luke during his childhood. Luke had one job: "Pass on what you have learned" Bring back the Jedi. Instead he became a beach bum on the Island of the Porgs and could barely be stirred to teach Rey anything. THis isn't about a "happily ever after" this is about wasting the best years of his life. About giving up on life. This is a guy who didn't give up on redeeming Dark F*cking Vader after getting his hand cut off the last time he confronted him! You do understand he did pass on what he learned? A Master and a Apprentice destroyed it all.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 25, 2017 20:03:51 GMT
It says alot about Luke's character. The pure enormity of his mistake drove him. And he taught Rey a lot. He didn't waste his life.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Dec 25, 2017 20:33:49 GMT
Luke had one job: "Pass on what you have learned" Bring back the Jedi. Instead he became a beach bum on the Island of the Porgs and could barely be stirred to teach Rey anything. THis isn't about a "happily ever after" this is about wasting the best years of his life. About giving up on life. This is a guy who didn't give up on redeeming Dark F*cking Vader after getting his hand cut off the last time he confronted him! And he did. For what looks to be around ~15 years he tried to pass on what he learned. But what he saw was that in doing so, despite his best efforts against it, he would end up exposing his sister and best friend's son to more and more of the Dark Side until it gave rise to a monster. A pattern of fate that seemed inextricably linked to the teachings of the Jedi. He wasn't just "meh" about teaching Rey; he was terrified of where that could lead her. He didn't give up on his father because he believed in the good of the Force and the Jedi teachings. That belief was shaken after what happened with Kylo Ren. After that point, he became convinced that the thing he had devoted his life to and trusted was actually a pathway to ruin. He didn't quit because things got hard. He quit because he no longer believed in what he was doing.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 25, 2017 20:36:33 GMT
Luke had one job: "Pass on what you have learned" Bring back the Jedi. Instead he became a beach bum on the Island of the Porgs and could barely be stirred to teach Rey anything. THis isn't about a "happily ever after" this is about wasting the best years of his life. About giving up on life. This is a guy who didn't give up on redeeming Dark F*cking Vader after getting his hand cut off the last time he confronted him! And he did. For what looks to be around ~15 years he tried to pass on what he learned. But what he saw was that in doing so, despite his best efforts against it, he would end up exposing his sister and best friend's son to more and more of the Dark Side until it gave rise to a monster. A pattern of fate that seemed inextricably linked to the teachings of the Jedi. He wasn't just "meh" about teaching Rey; he was terrified of where that could lead her. He didn't give up on his father because he believed in the good of the Force and the Jedi teachings. That belief was shaken after what happened with Kylo Ren. After that point, he became convinced that the thing he had devoted his life to and trusted was actually a pathway to ruin. He didn't quit because things got hard. He quit because he no longer believed in what he was doing. still though i wonder why he chose to go to Ach To.
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