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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Dec 31, 2017 5:34:20 GMT
Do you think Jarun Tann would try to seize power on the Nexus?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 31, 2017 8:28:07 GMT
I don't know but if I got a Renegade option I'd shoot him. As well as Ms. "My Face is Tired". Then I'd promote a certain turian and krogan to run things.
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Post by natetrace on Dec 31, 2017 15:42:06 GMT
I doubt it. I can see shades of Udina but I can't see Tann trying to kill the Moshae like Udina would.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 1, 2018 4:46:07 GMT
Nothing against the voice actor.
Still my take on the character of Tann...
He had a relative in Mass Effect 1...
The "Let Me Out!" Salarian.
Yep.
That would have been his fate in the Milky Way...
So I say that in Andromeda he gets "uplifted" by the Kett -eventually.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 1, 2018 13:16:39 GMT
I don’t really see Tann doing something like Udina. Udina was always an ambitious career politician from the start, but in ME3, the humans were in a desperate state and was influenced by an external faction that appealed to his focus on humanity’s stake in the reaper war. Tann would probably only find himself pushed into something like this if somehow the salarians’ place in the Initiative’s colonization effort was in serious jeopardy, which it probably wouldn’t be.
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Post by link2twenty on Jan 1, 2018 14:23:45 GMT
I feel sorry for Tann he's just trying to make the best of a bad situation and everyone hates him for it. Cool, calm and calculated is needed sometimes.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jan 1, 2018 14:37:39 GMT
Udina is an asshole career politician. Tann is an incompetent tool and became significant only because the entire command chain died. They are nothing alike.
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Post by kira on Jan 2, 2018 1:44:45 GMT
Tann isn't a bad guy. He's just self important, and a weak leader of people. I think he likes his rank more than power, anyway.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 2, 2018 1:59:05 GMT
Udina is an asshole career politician. Tann is an incompetent tool and became significant only because the entire command chain died. They are nothing alike. Well, they're both assholes. That's a similarity. Also, I think they're both kind of backstabbers. Udina more overtly (my Shepard refers to him as "backstabber" when writing out my ME1 playthroughs) but I found Tann to be untrustworthy in Nexus Uprising. He may not have been the worst on the Nexus but he was hardly the best. In his case, I might liken him to Jacob's father who ended up in command when he shouldn't have and everyone paid the price. |
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 2, 2018 2:10:37 GMT
Udina is an asshole career politician. Tann is an incompetent tool and became significant only because the entire command chain died. They are nothing alike. Well, they're both assholes. That's a similarity. Also, I think they're both kind of backstabbers. Udina more overtly (my Shepard refers to him as "backstabber" when writing out my ME1 playthroughs) but I found Tann to be untrustworthy in Nexus Uprising. He may not have been the worst on the Nexus but he was hardly the best. In his case, I might liken him to Jacob's father who ended up in command when he shouldn't have and everyone paid the price. That's actually a really good point. By the time you find Jacob's father, he really is quite dispicable, however, I strongly doubt he was like that BEFORE the situation. Tann really shouldn't be in that position, he doesn't have the presence of command, so he has to enforce his command. He also really didn't think things through during the uprising, which certainly doesn't help matters. I've spent the game so far hoping to have an option to replace him, but it hasn't come up, sadly. I don't see him selling everybody out, but I do see him making bad choice and compounding them because of his poor leadership skills. He is the wrong person for the job, no disputing that, however, the Nexus doesn't exactly have a lot of strong candidates, and most of the good ones are already busy handling their own work (Such as Kesh). |
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Post by kino on Jan 2, 2018 4:01:06 GMT
I think Tann's more worried about his "legacy" than seizing control of one space station.
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Post by clips7 on Jan 2, 2018 6:22:31 GMT
Tann was an idiot.....he tells Ryder to go and make the planets "viable" or "habitable" and when Ryder asks how is he/she supposed to do that, he simply responds..."you are the pathfinder...figure it out"...(para-phrasing a bit there)...but it was something along those lines.. Everybody on the Nexuss was sitting around with their thumb up their a$$ until Ryder got s**t going....(well outside of Sloane and other rebels building super structures and making it out on their own)..Tann was nothing more than a paper weight.....there should have been an option to biotic "lash* his a$$ out of the airlock....  That said, I don't think Tann would have ended up like Udina unless his race was being severely threatened as someone else mentioned earlier....other than that he would probably just mope and complain about his authority being relinquished or downgraded in some manner. |
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 2, 2018 6:43:57 GMT
Tann loves being in charge, but lacks the spine and ambition to try a coup. Things would have to be incredibly desperate, as with Udina; and Tann would have to see no allies to whom he could turn.
Udina was an ass, but he wasn't evil. He was desperate, willing to become a villain to save his species, and obviously inexcusably naive in regard to Cerberus. Udina was also talented, good at the job. Tann is not a politician. He's a bureaucrat with a big ego. The same is true of the others, minus Tann's ego. The Nexus needs some politicians, to be honest. They compromise and (ideally) get things done. They can tame the mob when need be.
I think if Alec Ryder had returned to the Nexus after Habitat 7, he'd have quickly found himself effectively running the show in conjunction with Addison. He'd have not tolerated Tann's BS; and I doubt Tann would've tried to play hardball with Alec Ryder. Tann didn't necessarily want to be in charge. He just mistakenly believes he's actually capable, and even good for the job , under the present circumstances.
If they'd left Tann in cryo, there'd have not been an uprising. Maybe things end up better, or maybe everyone starves before Hyperion arrives. We'll never know.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 2, 2018 7:04:30 GMT
Udina was excellent. Too bad he didn't shoot the asari councilor and too bad Shepard or A/K killed him instead of shooting him in the shoulder/arm.
I have no complaints about Tann. I don't see him ending up like Udina.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 2, 2018 13:27:45 GMT
I don't think so Tann doesn't seem to have the desire to be in power, at least that is what I took away from our first meeting. He was put into this position by the deaths of everyone above him and is completely out of his league to the point of following the manuals too closely.
Now if I was to pick someone from Andromeda to be like Uldina, I think Spender is probably the closest from everything he did during the game to try and expand the power he had or dreams of having.
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 2, 2018 14:44:34 GMT
I don't think so Tann doesn't seem to have the desire to be in power, at least that is what I took away from our first meeting. He was put into this position by the deaths of everyone above him and is completely out of his league to the point of following the manuals too closely. Now if I was to pick someone from Andromeda to be like Uldina, I think Spender is probably the closest from everything he did during the game to try and expand the power he had or dreams of having. Spender pissed off too many powerful (and/or angry) people, he wouldn't last. |
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 2, 2018 15:27:05 GMT
Ah yes, Funky Old Udina.
You know, ain't no plans with a man
This is the 80's, and I'm down with the ladies
Ya know?
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Post by stealthfox94 on Jan 2, 2018 16:23:16 GMT
I say he ends up worse than Udina. Saying I don't trust Tann would be an understatement.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 2, 2018 17:40:58 GMT
Udina's own betrayal came completely out of left field and was never adequately explained.
So who knows?
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Post by uprightshark on Jan 2, 2018 18:10:06 GMT
Tann offers absolutely zero plot value to either the current game or anything moving forward. This weak character is one of the missed opportunities that lead to the confusion of the storyline, as MEA lacked an Anderson like figure to help guide a young and inexperienced Ryder after Alec was killed and he was thrust into this position of leadership. Anyone with any military background understands the world doesn't turn this way.
This resulted in a credibility gap in the story, as the PLAYER never could bridge this young inexperienced kid accomplishing these great feats that were obviously accomplished to finish the story. Tann was just an unnecessary speed-bump that only deserves the bullet to the head in scene one of a new game (if that).
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 3, 2018 0:07:09 GMT
Udina was okay but was also a bigger problem, into the future.
Whereas I tend to feel Tann has a darker past, that needs to be dealt with until an at least optional better future.
I think Bioware has background and past 'secret' plots for all sorts of characters - whether they know what those plots are yet or not. I think that's what differentiates from MET, which was more about how to push the trilogy forward.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Jan 4, 2018 15:13:18 GMT
Skip Marooch is nothing like Udina.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jan 4, 2018 15:59:45 GMT
No, Tann may be incompetant and a poor leader but he had this problem fall in his lap. I don't hate him because unlike Addison he at least doesn't try to undermine the pathfinder. Addison on the other hand I would not mind stranding on a Kett controlled world.
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Post by Toledo wombat on Jan 4, 2018 17:33:15 GMT
No, Tann's in over his head, he's an accountant trying to be a policy maker and a leader. He's a prick but I think he is genuinely trying to do a good job, just not one he's qualified for.
Udina was qualified, he just thought everybody else was vastly inferior to him and he could tell them what to do and was less than polite about it. I think by ME the Reapers were enough of a shock to him that he had to stop being all high and mighty, but then he got indoctrinated or blackmailed, I'm not sure which. The way he responds when Shepard first meets him on the Citadel is nothing like either his bullying in ME or his raving in during the coup. He almost seems, dependable and admirable during that meeting, accepting that he's not a nice guy, he's a bully and no-one likes him, but he'll use his skills to help fight the Reapers. Next minute he's nearly bullying a hospital inpatient into working for him and then raving that Shepard's with Cerberus.
I think Tann would step down if he felt there was someone more qualified, maybe Raeka or some other person at yet still in cryo. I don't think he would have threatened Garsen if she was alive. On the other hand, I really don't trust Addison, i think she's involved in Garson's murder and I wouldn't be surprised if Tann didn't live long enough to become Nexus despot. He'd have an accident first.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 4, 2018 23:14:53 GMT
I don't think Tann is dirty so much as unqualified. Still, that sort of thing gets people killed (per Nexus Uprising). Kesh was very qualified but I don't think anyone would listen to a krogan. However, if Tann were as smart as he thought he'd have made Kesh a trusted adviser. Kandros also might have been decent. And...Sloane would have been okay if she weren't so damn stupid. She tried to do the right thing by the "people" but closed herself off to Tann and Addison by being unavailable and snarky. Which meant the good ideas she had were ignored. Tann could have done well with the right set of people advising him. Addison and Spender were not it but that's who he chose to trust.
Udina was qualified BUT he cared more about power than doing the right thing. He'd ignore a looming threat just to look good in the eyes of the Council (which is, as we know, the plot of ME1). So whatever good he could do was overpowered by him being a power-hungry asshole. I don't know what Udina's game was in ME3. I suspect indoctrination, like everyone at Cerberus, but no attempt was made to uncover the truth. If he were indoctrinated, it's probably best that he was shot dead rather than injured because we know someone indoctrinated will be devious about getting what they want. He'd find a way to betray everyone. (Honestly, just because of foreknowledge, it's the reason I usually kill Rana Thanoptis in ME1, or ME2 at the latest; we know she just gets worse. This doesn't hold up for Shiala since the Thorian counter-indoctrination seemed to have cancelled things out.)
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