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Post by Fredward on Jan 6, 2018 10:32:23 GMT
And what would that mean for the setting? I'm mostly thinking about Sandal's prophecy: One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.
I've seen some people apply that to Corypheus but it just seems like a better fit for Solas' plans. For DA4 this might mean a more Hawke-like protagonist in that you're participating in and witness to world shaping events but ultimately unable to change the course of it. For the broader setting this'd probably mean a LOT more magic and the released elven gods being the main antagonists. Possibly the titans would play a more active role too.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 6, 2018 11:25:06 GMT
With regard to Sandal's prophesy that may well have been the direction they were taking initially with DAI, as shown by the 2013 trailer narrated by Morrigan, which seemed to fit with it (certainly with regard to the sky opening wide). However, whether they still intend to go with that plotline is anyone's guess.
Only half the original story for DAI has been told so it is possible Solas will succeed eventually. There are other hints that something big is going to happen. Flemeth definitely seemed to be predicting something back in DA2. The Inquisitor was regarded as the "Herald of Change" by both Flemeth and OGB Kieran. I don't believe their actions with regard to mages count since there are so many different outcomes and much depends on who ultimately gets made Divine. Morrigan is also seen as the inheritor of Mythal's power (by Flemeth and OGB Kieran), so I don't think we have seen the last of her either.
So whatever happens it is likely that things will not turn out as Solas intends them to. I think the next game will mostly be spent trying to locate and stop him against the background of the war in the north. At the end something will likely occur in connection with Solas which will then be the plot hook into the next game. I'm hoping we get a showdown eventually with either the two remaining Old Gods or with the released pantheon of Evanuris. If there is a resurgence of magic then the Titans are bound to get involved because it will likely awaken them fully.
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Post by theascendent on Jan 6, 2018 11:32:52 GMT
A war between gods, both real and false, with mortals stuck in the middle would be an interesting setting. A high fantasy with a more grim dark and realistic story. How would normal people i.e. us react or survive in such a world. It would be pretty interesting.
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Post by tacsear on Jan 6, 2018 12:48:17 GMT
It seems they're going for a synthesis ending for DA but with more set-up. So yes.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jan 6, 2018 13:34:17 GMT
Really, do we know that anything Solas said in Trespasser is true? He's lied about enough.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 6, 2018 13:50:12 GMT
It seems they're going for a synthesis ending for DA but with more set-up. So yes. This is what it feels like to me. I'm kind of cringing because I think a setting where everyone has magic is boring and the fact that not everyone in Thedas is capable of magic is something that endears me to the setting and sets it apart. But if they've had this in mind all along, I'm sure they're going somewhere with it... Of course, Solas could be a red herring.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jan 6, 2018 17:07:29 GMT
Yes and no. The first part of his plan, to bring down the Veil, will succeed. All signs point to this happening. The other part of his plan, the part that involves everyone dying and restoring the ancient elves, won't succeed.
As for what that plan involves is anyone's guess. We're led to believe that the act of removing the Veil will kill everyone on Thedas. What's interesting is that Solas never explicitly says this and that it's simply assumed because of his evasive speech. You can even ask him why everyone will die and he refuses to answer because it would give away too much. He's already told us that he'll remove the Veil and that everyone will die, if the former will cause the latter then what harm would there be in saying so? And if removing the Veil doesn't do it, then how else would everyone die indiscriminately (and apparently in comfort)? What has he planned that would cause such a thing?
My crackpot theory right now is that Solas needs the Veil gone to go back in time. It fits too perfectly and we already know that time travel is possible when the Veil is weakened (or gone). That would certainly explain why this world "has to die".
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 6, 2018 17:35:51 GMT
Really, do we know that anything Solas said in Trespasser is true? He's lied about enough. It's difficult to come up with a rational motive for lying there. Anyway, Solas hasn't told too many actual lies. He concealed lots of stuff, but that's not the same thing.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 6, 2018 17:36:18 GMT
It seems they're going for a synthesis ending for DA but with more set-up. So yes. This is what it feels like to me. I'm kind of cringing because I think a setting where everyone has magic is boring and the fact that not everyone in Thedas is capable of magic is something that endears me to the setting and sets it apart. But if they've had this in mind all along, I'm sure they're going somewhere with it... Of course, Solas could be a red herring. Or they could just be planning to wrap up the setting.
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Post by House Targaryen on Jan 6, 2018 17:45:01 GMT
Hope he succeeds
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 6, 2018 18:01:39 GMT
This is what it feels like to me. I'm kind of cringing because I think a setting where everyone has magic is boring and the fact that not everyone in Thedas is capable of magic is something that endears me to the setting and sets it apart. But if they've had this in mind all along, I'm sure they're going somewhere with it... Of course, Solas could be a red herring. Or they could just be planning to wrap up the setting. Well, yes. I imagine it'd be a whole new Age then.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 6, 2018 18:05:20 GMT
A war between gods, both real and false, with mortals stuck in the middle would be an interesting setting. A high fantasy with a more grim dark and realistic story. How would normal people i.e. us react or survive in such a world. It would be pretty interesting. Hm, what would that be like? Mortals trying to live their own lives, trying to ignore the call of the gods. But then a spirit of love or justice or faith compels them to fight its battles, warring with people who are seized by a competing spirit. Spirits that encourage them to act even against their own self-interests or loved ones. To risk their lives, to shun their own children, to act cruelly toward others. All in service to the idea that the spirit embodies, whether it’s moral outrage or fear or national pride. Good thing spirits are fictional. I can’t imagine what it would be like to live in a world where people acted at the whims of massive shared ideologies. It sounds exhausting!
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Post by copper on Jan 6, 2018 18:23:46 GMT
Didn't one plan for the series plan on there being 5 main games? If so then I would picture DA4 being more like DA2 in that we can't change the final outcome, with DA5 dealing with the fallout of what happens in DA4 and allowing more choices with consequences.
That said I hope Solas isn't the main antagonist for the entirety of DA4 just because to me he's not that interesting. I'd rather see more with the Titans (and Kal Sharok), the warden civil war in the Anderfels, and Tevinter/Qunari politics with a possible Qunari invasion.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 6, 2018 18:28:23 GMT
I dunno, but what if SALOS succeeds!?!?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jan 6, 2018 19:03:35 GMT
I kind of hope he does succeed in tearing down the veil, just because I'm extremely curious to see what that would even look like. Besides all the (alleged) death and mayhem.
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 6, 2018 23:21:08 GMT
Hope he succeeds and then the evanuris escape and chop him into small pieces.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jan 7, 2018 10:53:27 GMT
Really, do we know that anything Solas said in Trespasser is true? He's lied about enough. Can't agree with this enough, everything that we know about how 'evil' the ancient Elves were comes solely from Solas & areas he controlled, just look at trespasser, any area of the fade controlled by Solas & his forces point to enslavement & rebellion, yet the other places do not. I find it hard to believe that the Elves that survived the erecting of the veil were able to lose so much & were so uneducated the past got twisted that much. But that's just my opinion, there are two sides to this & we only know of one, but the majority of people always side with either the first person to tell of event, or the version that agree's with their view. I still think that Solas was out for a power grab, that he wanted to rule, he formed an alliance with Mythal, used propaganda to recruit, like anyone would, but was discovered & thwarted. If that was not the case, why is he so hellbent on reclaiming the past? Why the need to release his former enemies if not to claim victory? After all, the current state of Thedas see most, if not all City Elves adopting Human religion & Dalish Elves painting him as a villain, something he claims is wrong, yet, did he not seal the 'Gods' away, lead the civilization to ruin & run off & hide? Anyway, this is just my theory, but in order to know for sure, we'll need to wait for info on the next game.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jan 7, 2018 11:51:19 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that something dire would eventually happen if you were to keep the veil aswell as if you were to rip it down. Like if you kept it then slowly the magic would dwindle further and further till everyone in Thedas was tranquil until the magic faded enough that the world could no longer suustain life or something - but if you let solas rip it down then current life on thedas will be destroyed in the raw chaos but the magic would allow other life to return.
Resulting in the protagonist having to go for some third option (provided perhaps by Mythal or some other powerful being) that would cause the veil to distintigrate slowly over decades/centuries letting the magic back gradually. So the current denizens of thedas would live without changing the setting too dramatically.
But that's just one of the possibilities I can think of.
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Post by Sah291 on Jan 7, 2018 14:39:25 GMT
Yes and no. The first part of his plan, to bring down the Veil, will succeed. All signs point to this happening. The other part of his plan, the part that involves everyone dying and restoring the ancient elves, won't succeed. As for what that plan involves is anyone's guess. We're led to believe that the act of removing the Veil will kill everyone on Thedas. What's interesting is that Solas never explicitly says this and that it's simply assumed because of his evasive speech. You can even ask him why everyone will die and he refuses to answer because it would give away too much. He's already told us that he'll remove the Veil and that everyone will die, if the former will cause the latter then what harm would there be in saying so? And if removing the Veil doesn't do it, then how else would everyone die indiscriminately (and apparently in comfort)? What has he planned that would cause such a thing? My crackpot theory right now is that Solas needs the Veil gone to go back in time. It fits too perfectly and we already know that time travel is possible when the Veil is weakened (or gone). That would certainly explain why this world "has to die". That's what I think too. I think it is meant to be a changing of world order. The biggest evidence that the veil won't literally destroy the world, is that we know the world wasn't literally destroyed the first time when it went up. Life went on. The elven civilization was destroyed through civil war though, and since they had entire power structures and institutions built around magic and the fade (like the library), their culture died out. Other races and cultures rose to power instead, their gods were sealed away, and that displaced their religion too. So I think the same is expected to happen to human civilization. When human civilization falls, they will have a similar fate to the ancient elves. War, slavery, etc. He says he wants people to have relative peace until the end though, so that's why he opposed the Qunari. Which means Solas did actually change because of his time with the Inquisition. He says originally the plan was to just watch the world burn while the new one rose up in its ashes. Implying he didn't previously care much about the suffering he would cause. Now he implies he hopes to avoid unnecessary suffering in the process. Not enough that he is going to stop his plans, but enough where a DA4 protagonist might be able to prevent all out chaos, and stop the rest of his plan from succeeding.
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Post by ellehaym on Jan 7, 2018 17:49:03 GMT
I wonder if there can be a 3rd option where there could be stable veil breaches/ portals where spirits can come and go freely while the rest of Thedas remain in tact? Kinda similar to The Avatar type scenario?
However, my greatest concern is not whether or not Solas succeeds, but if something worse arises due to his plans. Much like how Corypheus ended up being the bigger threat, so that the Mage-Templar war was put on the side; I fear that Solas plans will be put on the side due to one of the Evanuris (Falon'Din/Dirthamen?) being released.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 7, 2018 18:20:02 GMT
Don't forget about the Blight when thinking about the necessity for Solas' plan. He said he took his action to avoid something even worse. In the Deep Roads in Trespasser we find that pocket realm with the story about Mythal conquering the titan and then much later something terrible is discovered in the depths of the earth that the followers of Solas seal away. This is the point when he insists they need to rebel in order to prevent the Evanuris destroying them all.
When he awoke he found a world worse than before. Reduced magic and the state of the elves was part of it but I think there is also the fact that in the interim the Taint had been released on the world. I'm pretty sure he believes the current world is doomed because of this and that is why he feels the only alternative is to flood it with magic.
The series started with the origin of the Blights (according to the Chantry) so I feel that eventually the wheel will come full circle and we will learn the true origin of the Blights and then have to deal with it or the present world will die.
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Post by warden on Jan 8, 2018 17:49:25 GMT
if Solas succeed, then that means Thedosians are beyond usless and stupid, cause there isn't as a stupid, simplistic and bland guy like egghead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 21:45:52 GMT
The Hand Snatching Egg Head will die from holding his breath hence he promised to destroy the world after everyone enjoys some years of peace... Let's see the current political landscape in Thedas. Ferelden: Screw Orlais! They still want a chunk of our land and our freedom! Orlais: Oh please, you barbarians. We wouldn't be so blunt about it. Some still sleeping AD: Hellooo?? Behind whom do I need to get in line here for the world takeover??? Mages: Hey! What about OUR problems? We aren't entirely done rebelling! Dwarves: All of you, stay off our darkspawn infested lawn or else! Tevinter: We have huge problems superior to all yours put together about which you will learn soon enough. Inquisition: Some of us are still around and have plans for ass kicking, which probably irritates Ferelden even more. Wardens: Can we NOT pass by just once without being accused of wanting to blow up the world for the greater good? Ohhh! Is that a magical orb of destruction that can blow up ancient Gods? Qunari: We'll find the time to deal with ALL of you! etc...
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 8, 2018 23:29:06 GMT
The Hand Snatching Egg Head will die from holding his breath hence he promised to destroy the world after everyone enjoys some years of peace... Let's see the current political landscape in Thedas. Ferelden: Screw Orlais! They still want a chunk of our land and our freedom! Orlais: Oh please, you barbarians. We wouldn't be so blunt about it. Some still sleeping AD: Hellooo?? Behind whom do I need to get in line here for the world takeover??? Mages: Hey! What about OUR problems? We aren't entirely done rebelling! Dwarves: All of you, stay off our darkspawn infested lawn or else! Tevinter: We have huge problems superior to all yours put together about which you will learn soon enough. Inquisition: Some of us are still around and have plans for ass kicking, which probably irritates Ferelden even more. Wardens: Can we NOT pass by just once without being accused of wanting to blow up the world for the greater good? Ohhh! Is that a magical orb of destruction that can blow up ancient Gods? Qunari: We'll find the time to deal with ALL of you! etc...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 0:47:01 GMT
My crackpot theory right now is that Solas needs the Veil gone to go back in time. It fits too perfectly and we already know that time travel is possible when the Veil is weakened (or gone). That would certainly explain why this world "has to die". Your ideas has reminded me of something. Probably not many will get this reference. In Star Trek Voyager there was an episode called the Year of Hell with the main villain called Annorax. He had created a time warp weapon which had accidentally destroyed his species' Empire, but he had kept control of that weapon and he kept reshaping the galaxy in the attempt to bring back what was lost. These modifications were causing him to wipe out entire planets and populations, each time reshaping history. His main argument being that if he changed history than those species would never have existed thus it was not murder. Many worlds 'had to die' too for the sake of restoring his own history.
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