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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Jan 19, 2018 18:59:47 GMT
I picked up The Expanse novels and have been enjoying those but why hasen't someone created a classic heroic sci fi opera series with these elements?
-Interesting alien civilizations -Cool looking spaceships -Flying cars -Space stations -An ancient threat -Interesting antagonist -A badass multispecies spaceship crew that are the main protagonists -epic space battles -A heroic spaceship captain -A sense of wonder
The Expanse is all that minus the cool aliens and flying cars.
What happened? Have we lost hope in the future? Are modern sci fi writers more interested in hard science fiction? Do we want more realism in sci fi? Are the imaginations of today's sci fi writers not as good as the last generation?
With the success of the Mass Effect series as well as Guardians of the Galaxy and the new Star Wars I am surprised no one has tried to make a classic epic space adventure series.
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Post by mousestalker on Jan 19, 2018 19:05:19 GMT
I picked up The Expanse novels and have been enjoying those but why hasen't someone created a classic heroic sci fi opera series with these elements? -Interesting alien civilizations -Cool looking spaceships -Flying cars -Space stations -An ancient threat -Interesting antagonist -A badass multispecies spaceship crew that are the main protagonists -epic space battles -A heroic spaceship captain -A sense of wonder The Expanse is all that minus the cool aliens and flying cars. What happened? Have we lost hope in the future? Are modern sci fi writers more interested in hard science fiction? Do we want more realism in sci fi? Are the imaginations of today's sci fi writers not as good as the last generation? With the success of the Mass Effect series as well as Guardians of the Galaxy and the new Star Wars I am surprised no one has tried to make a classic epic space adventure series. The Lensman series by E E "Doc" Smith has everything you listed and more.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 19, 2018 21:33:26 GMT
Of course, the Lensman series is pretty old
I'd say that Peter Hamilton delivers something close to what's being asked for, except that his aliens are generally too alien to fit on the starship crews. Pandora's Star/ Judas Unchained actually hits a bunch of the same tropes that the MET does.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 22:09:30 GMT
With the success of the Mass Effect series as well as Guardians of the Galaxy and the new Star Wars I am surprised no one has tried to make a classic epic space adventure series. All of those heavily depend on visuals for success, and, well, fantasy rather than science. You need to look more into the stuff written in the first half of the twentieth century to see the fantasy in space sagas, I think.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 19, 2018 22:31:32 GMT
I picked up The Expanse novels and have been enjoying those but why hasen't someone created a classic heroic sci fi opera series with these elements? -Interesting alien civilizations -Cool looking spaceships -Flying cars -Space stations -An ancient threat -Interesting antagonist -A badass multispecies spaceship crew that are the main protagonists -epic space battles -A heroic spaceship captain -A sense of wonder Bruh. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5Better Mass Effect, more than a decade before there was Mass Effect. Seriously. Early episodes may contain some 90s cheese.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jan 20, 2018 0:07:03 GMT
I picked up The Expanse novels and have been enjoying those but why hasen't someone created a classic heroic sci fi opera series with these elements? -Interesting alien civilizations -Cool looking spaceships -Flying cars -Space stations -An ancient threat -Interesting antagonist -A badass multispecies spaceship crew that are the main protagonists -epic space battles -A heroic spaceship captain -A sense of wonder Bruh. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5Better Mass Effect, more than a decade before there was Mass Effect. Seriously. Early episodes may contain some 90s cheese. And something even better than B5! Also, the other series: Discovery omission intentional.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 20, 2018 0:07:53 GMT
Alistair Reynolds' Revelation Space series
Neal Asher's Polity books
David Brin's Uplift universe
Frederick Pohl's Heechee saga
These books don't necessarily have all the looked-for qualities, but they are all science fiction books dealing with the far future, ancient precursor races, alien civilizations, and space ships.
If you're willing to do without aliens (at least as good guys, but like space battles), and cool starship captains, I'd also suggest
Jack Campbell's Lost Fleet series
David Weber's Honor Harrington series (at least the earlier works)
Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's "The Mote in God's Eye"
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Post by mousestalker on Jan 20, 2018 0:17:32 GMT
Also, Farscape. Altho' I do not remember any flying cars.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 20, 2018 0:46:31 GMT
And something even better than B5! lol sorry, but no. I don't want to start a massive nerdfight, but not even close. Now I won't claim B5 is better than Star Trek, I think they fill different niches. But if you're looking for an amazing story arc, character development and a world and people that feel real (inb4 the special effects), then it's gotta be B5. I'm ok with the Orville aka Seth MacFarlane's notStar Trek but that's my limit and that is in spite of that show's most on the nose "homages", like the make anything machine and implied utopia back home. I think that's boring as fuck. I was talking to a buddy who's going through TNG right now and he told me Rodenberry was adamant that things go his way on that show including among other things, forbidding personal conflict between the crew. All I can say is the flying fuck? Are these people still supposed to be human? Actually, here: trekmovie.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-david-gerrold-talks-frankly-about-tng-conflicts-with-roddenberry-berman-jj-trek-more/So, apparently the lawyer did it, but that's actually worse. At least JMS got to fulfill like 90% of his vision, in spite of some studio fuckery in the fourth season. Come at me trekkies, but nothing I've seen/heard from any era of Star Trek appeals to me. And I did use to watch TNG as kid (and remember none of it). Besides, OP asked for a space-opera esque franchise and B5 fits that bill far more than Star Trek.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Jan 20, 2018 0:53:37 GMT
This one gave me a Mass Effect feel, main difference being that Humanity is in a big multi-racial empire, we were conquered years ago and then suddenly, the conquering race has died out. Now humanity (along with a bunch of other races that by enlarge ally with us) find themselves competing against a race that got conquered before them that considers itself superior for it.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jan 20, 2018 0:56:25 GMT
And something even better than B5! lol sorry, but no. I don't want to start a massive nerdfight, but not even close. Now I won't claim B5 is better than Star Trek, I think they fill different niches. But if you're looking for an amazing story arc, character development and a world and people that feel real (inb4 the special effects), then it's gotta be B5. I'm ok with the Orville aka Seth MacFarlane's notStar Trek but that's my limit and that is in spite of that show's most on the nose "homages", like the make anything machine and implied utopia back home. I think that's boring as fuck. I was talking to a buddy who's going through TNG right now and he told me Rodenberry was adamant that things go his way on that show including among other things, forbidding personal conflict between the crew. All I can say is the flying fuck? Are these people still supposed to be human? Actually, here: trekmovie.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-david-gerrold-talks-frankly-about-tng-conflicts-with-roddenberry-berman-jj-trek-more/So, apparently the lawyer did it, but that's actually worse. At least JMS got to fulfill like 90% of his vision, in spite of some studio fuckery in the fourth season. Come at me trekkies, but nothing I've seen/heard from any era of Star Trek appeals to me. And I did use to watch TNG as kid (and remember none of it). Besides, OP asked for a space-opera esque franchise and B5 fits that bill far more than Star Trek. I'm well aware of Trek's (at the time) flaws, trust me. I'm not your daily-plebian fan. And I am coming at you, B5 buddy. DS9 was a better show in every aspect, including the ones you listed. And yeah, Star Trek lacks a lot of space-opera stylings - this isn't a bad thing. I prefer the more esoteric qualities of many a Star Trek story.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 20, 2018 1:03:04 GMT
And I am coming at you, B5 buddy. DS9 was a better show in every aspect, including the ones you listed. And yeah, Star Trek lacks a lot of space-opera stylings - this isn't a bad thing. I prefer the more esoteric qualities of many a Star Trek story. lolno. Even if it didn't lose a million points of the gate for plagiarism, I very much doubt it's even on the same field. Otherwise, different strokes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 1:09:21 GMT
I'd say DS9 and B5 are on par. They're just different. I love both shows.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jan 20, 2018 1:11:46 GMT
And I am coming at you, B5 buddy. DS9 was a better show in every aspect, including the ones you listed. And yeah, Star Trek lacks a lot of space-opera stylings - this isn't a bad thing. I prefer the more esoteric qualities of many a Star Trek story. lolno. Even if it didn't lose a million points of the gate for plagiarism, I very much doubt it's even on the same field. Otherwise, different strokes. How could they have plagiarized? DS9's production began before B5, after all. And you're right, it's not an even playing field. DS9 is on a much higher level. I tease, bud, it gets you riled up. Except the serious parts. Those are serious.
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Post by mousestalker on Jan 20, 2018 11:11:43 GMT
The OP's question was about books. And yet somehow the conversation has devolved into Star Trek Wars vs other sci fi tv shows. TV > movies movies > graphic novels books > TV romance > sci fi Just FYI. I think I've offended everyone now...
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 20, 2018 19:20:15 GMT
How could they have plagiarized? DS9's production began before B5, after all. And you're right, it's not an even playing field. DS9 is on a much higher level. I tease, bud, it gets you riled up. Except the serious parts. Those are serious. But after the network stupidly passed on B5 yet kept all the notes... Serious part: even though they have pretty much nothing to do with each other B5 sort of softens the blow of losing Star Wars for me. Again, you can't compare the two but whenever I get pissed about the latest nonsense out of Mickey, thinking back to B5 just feels peaceful. ya rly For one they know how to actually end the damn thing, and have everything they were building up to actually make sense.
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Post by mousestalker on Jan 20, 2018 19:58:17 GMT
Good suggestions all around, I'm adding everything I'm unfamiliar with to my list. Also, if anyone has any suggestions for good urban-fantasy books, Jim Butcher style (The Dresden Files) I'll be happy to hear about it. That, or anything that mixes Sci-fi and fantasy elements, like Shadowrun or Warhammer 40K. Have you ever read Larry Correia (Monster Hunter or Tom Strange) or John Ringo (Black Tide Rising and also Monster Hunter)? Alternatively, Simon Greene's Nightside series. They are a bit over the top, but fun if you are in the right mood. I really liked the Elemental Assassin books by Jennifer Estep but, not knowing what elements of Dresden resonate with you, I'm reluctant to recommend them. You may want to just dip your toe in to see if you like them.
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Post by mousestalker on Jan 20, 2018 20:17:05 GMT
Have you ever read Larry Correia (Monster Hunter or Tom Strange) or John Ringo (Black Tide Rising and also Monster Hunter)? Alternatively, Simon Greene's Nightside series. They are a bit over the top, but fun if you are in the right mood. No, I'm not familiar with any of them, but I'll certainly look them up. Thanks.
What is the general style/theme of these?
The Larry Correia Monster Hunter books are about a group of private bounty hunters who hunt monsters. There is a lot of information about firearms (all accurate) but the books move along. There is a lot of humour as well. Once you experience his take on elves and orcs you may find it difficult to see them any other way. The John Ringo Monster Hunter books are similar, but with less gun porn. Tom Strange is best experienced via audio as Adam Baldwin narrates. The two novella are about the adventures of an insurance salesman. Black Tide Rising is the zombie apocalypse and the importance of having your own pink tank. The Nightside series is about a PI bounty hunter in a parallel dimensional London.
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 21, 2018 0:05:08 GMT
Good suggestions all around, I'm adding everything I'm unfamiliar with to my list. Also, if anyone has any suggestions for good urban-fantasy books, Jim Butcher style (The Dresden Files) I'll be happy to hear about it. That, or anything that mixes Sci-fi and fantasy elements, like Shadowrun or Warhammer 40K. You might like this: The next two I haven't read yet, but they're in my to-read list:
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 21, 2018 2:03:12 GMT
Alistair Reynolds' Revelation Space series Neal Asher's Polity books David Brin's Uplift universe Frederick Pohl's Heechee saga These books don't necessarily have all the looked-for qualities, but they are all science fiction books dealing with the far future, ancient precursor races, alien civilizations, and space ships. If you're willing to do without aliens (at least as good guys, but like space battles), and cool starship captains, I'd also suggest Jack Campbell's Lost Fleet series David Weber's Honor Harrington series (at least the earlier works) Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's "The Mote in God's Eye" I would add The Xeelee Sequence and the Manifold series by Stephen Baxter, as well as The Night's Dawn Trilogy, The Void Trilogy, and The Commonwealth Saga by Peter F. Hamilton to this list.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 21, 2018 3:14:35 GMT
Alistair Reynolds' Revelation Space series Neal Asher's Polity books David Brin's Uplift universe Frederick Pohl's Heechee saga These books don't necessarily have all the looked-for qualities, but they are all science fiction books dealing with the far future, ancient precursor races, alien civilizations, and space ships. If you're willing to do without aliens (at least as good guys, but like space battles), and cool starship captains, I'd also suggest Jack Campbell's Lost Fleet series David Weber's Honor Harrington series (at least the earlier works) Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's "The Mote in God's Eye" I would add The Xeelee Sequence and the Manifold series by Stephen Baxter, as well as The Night's Dawn Trilogy, The Void Trilogy, and The Commonwealth Saga by Peter F. Hamilton to this list. Forgot to mention The Culture series by Ian Banks, and the Deathstalker series by Simon R. Green. Deathstalker may be the odd one out, as it's more Rule of Cool science fantasy instead of hard science space opera, but it's got epic scope, intense action, and (most importantly) cool and unique heroes and villains. Hell, Jenny Psycho is basically a proto-Jack .
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Post by Kabraxal on Jan 21, 2018 3:59:01 GMT
I’m have to admit I am not impresses by modern/contemporary sci fi anymore. Mass Effect was a rarity, with only BSG and Stargate both winding down and Eureka desperately trying to hold, on for truly speculative and imaginative sci fi not afraid to step out of the miopic and narrow views that hard science fiction has espoused. Very few have been egaging, let alone imaginative.
Sadly, it’s a trend I see little stopping. But, if you are looking for anything, not just books:
Battlestar Galactica (this series pissed off the contemporary hard sci fi fan because it dared to take a risk it teased since day one)
Stargate: a lot of Stargate is in Mass Effect. Skip Universe tgough.
Deep Space Nine: what more needs to be said about the behemoth of science fiction?
Firefly: the live action Cowboy Bepop that might surpass that classic.
Cowboy Bepop: go. Watch. Now. NOW.
Farscape: outlandish but grounded.
As for books... I gave up on hard sci fi ten years ago, but licensed seeies such as Star Trek and Star Wars had some classics in them.
I have seen some hints of lovecraftian styles mixes into sci fi in books, but I’ve been wary since most cop out or rely on cheap horror tricks more than anything.
I did read something good but I can’t remember the title... humanity was introduced to the galaxy, but were considered second rate citizens. It bordered on an urban fantasy take of aci fu but remained tightly constructed to keep the fantastical grounded but steeped in mystery. Really wish I could remember because I can’t find it now >.<
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