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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 24, 2019 16:12:21 GMT
Here's some news I've been sitting on for a while Dude, that isn't news. It's your wish list. It's not my wishlist, trust me. Only half of the stuff in that post interest me and it isn't the direction they want to go with their next game.
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For a villain, With some satire, having an Alien(any species) version of Trump to make the Citadel Space great by making the System Alliance to pay for the Wall.
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For a villain, With some satire, having an Alien(any species) version of Trump to make the Citadel Space great by making the System Alliance to pay for the Wall. We'll make a Wall around the Perseus Veil. And the Geth will pay for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:55:09 GMT
We really need some news, to get back to an interesting discussion about the future of the series. OK. Here's some news I've been sitting on for a while. I think it's time to share. - Ryder is out, permanently - New game, new protagonist - Next game will not be called Andromeda, it will have a different subtitle - They are aggressively targeting a prequel to the OT - First Contact setting was already visited and ruined by Andromeda - First Contact War could still be revisited, the setting would require a lot of reworking, i.e. retconning, to be viable, but they are willing to do that Bioware peeps, I know you're reading this, any one of you feel free to come in and say I'm wrong. If you had some official track at Bioware to learn this (which I'm sure you don't), you probably just got fired for breaking your confidentiality agreement. Making up rumors to suit your fancy isn't "news" - it's habit for you.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 24, 2019 16:59:21 GMT
For a villain, With some satire, having an Alien(any species) version of Trump to make the Citadel Space great by making the System Alliance to pay for the Wall. We'll make a Wall around the Perseus Veil. And the Geth will pay for it. that is actually funny. I know that Trump is the type of President that you love him or hate him but having an Alien based on him would be interesting.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 24, 2019 17:05:12 GMT
If you had some official track at Bioware to learn this (which I'm sure you don't), you probably just got fired for breaking your confidentiality agreement I never said who or how I got the news. And of course I am not in the business of leaking names. I think the carrier pigeon and whoever it was that sent me this message are safe in their jobs. Making up rumors to suit your fancy isn't "news" - it's habit for you. Ooh, direct accusations? Yet again! And from you, nonetheless. So unexpected, my soul is crushed, how will I ever recover? If it helps, while I was told there would be no Ryder and the game won't be called Andromeda, it doesn't exclude the option of the next game taking place in Andromeda, just under a new title and new protagonist. While they are/were looking at an OT prequel, doesn't mean they will go through with it. Maybe things have changed since then and none of this is true today. It's the cost of transparency.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 17:08:28 GMT
If you had some official track at Bioware to learn this (which I'm sure you don't), you probably just got fired for breaking your confidentiality agreement I never said who or how I got the news. And of course I am not in the business of leaking names. I think the carrier pigeon and whoever it was that sent me this message are safe in their jobs. Making up rumors to suit your fancy isn't "news" - it's habit for you. Ooh, direct accusations? Yet again! And from you, nonetheless. So unexpected, my soul is crushed, how will I ever recover? If it helps, while I was told there would be no Ryder and the game won't be called Andromeda, it doesn't exclude the option of the next game taking place in Andromeda, just under a new title and new protagonist. While they are/were looking at an OT prequel, doesn't mean they will go through with it. Maybe things have changed since then and none of this is true today. It's the cost of transparency. Well, the proof is in the pudding then isn't it. We'll see what happens. If you're estimates have been correct, we should see an absolute flood of positive interest in ME when the official announcement of this comes out. If you're wrong, that just won't happen. If Bioware doesn't announce such a move, we'll know your source is crap or you're making it up.
In poker speak - I call.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 24, 2019 17:23:37 GMT
If Bioware doesn't announce such move, we'll know you're source is crap or you're making it up. Like I said, none of the things i said today may be real now. Or maybe, sure, they never were. But since I got it, I can't exactly go out and say names, in the off chance it is true and if it isn't, well, any Bioware staff that visits this place under Guest-guise, can garner interest from reactions. Personally, I do not like this leak. Maybe someone wants to ask Jason Schreier? His sources seem to be legit. I'd ask him, but I don't have a twitter account. Also, I don't expect my leaks to be absolutely true, more so intentionally. Someone in Bioware might legit find out who it was that made the leak, if it is 100% real. Or it is all entirely false in order to obscure any interest in my leaker of being legit, in the eyes of Bioware's staff that still visit this board, only to feed me real information later. Or it's all entirely nothing, just some schmuck that impersonated someone for shits and giggles. Or we can talk about what I've just said and worry about everything else at a later date.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 17:30:18 GMT
If Bioware doesn't announce such move, we'll know you're source is crap or you're making it up. Like I said, none of the things i said today may be real now. Or maybe, sure, they never were. But since I got it, I can't exactly go out and say names, in the off chance it is true and if it isn't, well, any Bioware staff that visits this place under Guest-guise, can garner interest from reactions. Personally, I do not like this leak. Maybe someone wants to ask Jason Schreier? His sources seem to be legit. I'd ask him, but I don't have a twitter account. Also, I don't expect my leaks to be absolutely true, more so intentionally. Someone in Bioware might legit find out who it was that made the leak, if it is 100% real. Or it is all entirely false in order to obscure any interest in my leaker of being legit, in the eyes of Bioware's staff that still visit this board, only to feed me real information later. Or it's all entirely nothing, just some schmuck that impersonated someone for shits and giggles. Or we can talk about what I've just said and worry about everything else at a later date. ... and this response smells like a backpeddle to me. LMAO. We'll see what happens when it happens.
As for talking about it, I've said several times that we have nothing left to say. My preference remains Ryder in ME:A2. As for crowd reaction, it would have to actually be announced to determine that... same as this bit of rumour/non-news. The only thing that will prove fan reaction IS actual fan reaction... and on a much, much larger scale than just the members participating on this board or even the comments on the Youtube rumor-mill spinners and memers. As I've said many times, the vast, vast majority of fans/players are silent. We don't have enough data at our hands to predict how they'll react until they actually react.
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Post by melbella on Aug 24, 2019 18:01:32 GMT
... and this response smells like a backpeddle to me. LMAO. We'll see what happens when it happens. Exactly. So much for "news."
I wouldn't really call what Schrier(sp?) wrote "news" either since everyone he talked to made their statements a year or more before he published the story. It was more like "history" at that point.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2019 18:50:05 GMT
Funny that he suddenly decides to release info on a leak he's had all along, after weeks of having his tcontinuation proposals derided.
As for the leak, it's funny that they're looking into prequels, which they've already said failed when they did market research. OTOH, what I've said about more Shepard applies here too. If they figure that only 20-25% of players will be returning trilogy players, then doing a prequel can't hurt too much.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 24, 2019 18:54:38 GMT
We really need some news, to get back to an interesting discussion about the future of the series. OK. Here's some news I've been sitting on for a while. I think it's time to share. - Ryder is out, permanently - New game, new protagonist - Next game will not be called Andromeda, it will have a different subtitle - They are aggressively targeting a prequel to the OT - First Contact setting was already visited and ruined by Andromeda - First Contact War could still be revisited, the setting would require a lot of reworking, i.e. retconning, to be viable, but they are willing to do that Bioware peeps, I know you're reading this, any one of you feel free to come in and say I'm wrong. Assuming this is true (I don’t believe it is)
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Post by Ascend on Aug 24, 2019 23:20:39 GMT
Spitefully entitled negativity There were a lot of signs of troubled development, subpar production values and some people who just weren't digging the idea of an Andromeda Initiative. People are going to have their own opinions and draw their own conclusions, there's no stopping that. There's trolls too, there's no stopping those either, but Andromeda, the released product, wasn't a worthy successor to the original trilogy. And that doesn't mean that the trilogy consisted of perfect games, far from it, but the overall experience, even considering ME1 by itself, was a more complete experience, at least I believe. There were even videos on youtube by users making comparisons how Andromeda had regressed, from a technical standpoint, from even ME1, a game that was 10 years when Andromeda released. You are free to disagree, or even agree with that notion, just like everything else. But, as with everything that is Big Corp, individual voices are irrelevant. What matters is the collective and the collective did not get behind Andromeda and the result of Andromeda makes it less likely that an Andromeda 2 will be a more sustainable project. I strongly agree with your post, but I cannot agree with the last sentence. Andromeda had a lot of potential. Sure, the game had a lot of issues, which I already expressed. But most of them are close to being good but end up being underwhelming. It does not take that much to shift a game like Andromeda into a great game. Even though the Andromeda characters suck, there's huge potential to improving them, just like ME2 improved on the ME1 characters like Garrus and Tali. Even though the plot is predictable and shallow, there are enough seeds that were planted in Andromeda that can grow into very interesting and powerful story arcs. The gameplay was already great, although the game really needs some improvements on the quests and interface of the crafting mechanics. The Andromeda name might be tarnished, but, it doesn't mean the setting in Andromeda has to be.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 24, 2019 23:39:25 GMT
... and this response smells like a backpeddle to me. LMAO. We'll see what happens when it happens I only said what I got. I don't like it more than you do. I'd prefer it if its not true. I can't claim it to be true and even if it is/was, it may not be true tomorrow. traks asked for leaks, that's what I got. Funny that he suddenly decides to release info on a leak he's had all along, after weeks of having his tcontinuation proposals derided. I don't understand what you mean by this. You've been going at it for a while now and I still don't understand what you mean by this. Would like to elaborate? Well, I don't know either. And I don't like the idea either. Can you imagine getting stranded on Shanxi an entire game? Fighting Turians the entire time? With a crew only made up of human alliance soldiers? I don't want to play that. But we can still talk about it. Talking is fun, right?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 24, 2019 23:45:20 GMT
Even though the Andromeda characters suck, there's huge potential to improving them, just like ME2 improved on the ME1 characters like Garrus and Tali. Yeah, but people where much more receptive of ME1 and hyped for ME2. Andromeda put the franchise on ice, both from a development standpoint and a fanbase standpoint. Nobody talks about Andromeda because nobody cares about Andromeda. If a conversation ever comes up about Andromeda it is almost always in a negative light. To improve upon something, it needs to have worked somewhat favourably the first time. I don't think Andromeda did well enough, so that the next time around people will be hyped about it. Maybe you, Alan, Hanako and UpAgain will, but that's ... 4 potential copies. You're 5.999.996 copies short of EA's quota. I can tell you I'm not interested in seeing what becomes of Ryder, Liam or Peebee, so I won't be following that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 25, 2019 0:02:05 GMT
Well, I don't know either. And I don't like the idea either. Can you imagine getting stranded on Shanxi an entire game? Fighting Turians the entire time? With a crew only made up of human alliance soldiers? I don't want to play that. But we can still talk about it. Talking is fun, right? I was referring toe everything in your post not just the FCW stuff. Also the others mean that you revealing this leak now instead of when you got it is evidence that you are simply making this stuff up rather than it being a genuine leak.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 25, 2019 0:04:10 GMT
Even though the Andromeda characters suck, there's huge potential to improving them, just like ME2 improved on the ME1 characters like Garrus and Tali. Yeah, but people where much more receptive of ME1 and hyped for ME2. Andromeda put the franchise on ice, both from a development standpoint and a fanbase standpoint. Nobody talks about Andromeda because nobody cares about Andromeda. If a conversation ever comes up about Andromeda it is almost always in a negative light. To improve upon something, it needs to have worked somewhat favourably the first time. I don't think Andromeda did well enough, so that the next time around people will be hyped about it. Maybe you, Alan, Hanako and UpAgain will, but that's ... 4 potential copies. You're 5.999.996 copies short of EA's quota. I can tell you I'm not interested in seeing what becomes of Ryder, Liam or Peebee, so I won't be following that. In your circles, maybe. That’s not an universal standard though. For example everyone I know who played Andromeda really liked it, and even places that once bashed it have more and more changed their position on the game in hindsight.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 25, 2019 0:22:54 GMT
I was referring toe everything in your post not just the FCW stuff. Well, what does everything entail? Also the others mean that you revealing this leak now instead of when you got it is evidence that you are simply making this stuff up rather than it being a genuine leak. I'd have to be pretty stupid to reveal everything I heard on the day I heard it. Like I said, in the off chance that it is real, someone could lose their job. If it's been a while, it means things have since shifted, which makes it old news, therefore inaccurate, although even if it is real, I absolutely expect some of it to not be true intentionally, in order to throw people within Bioware/EA further off. In your circles, maybe. That’s not an universal standard though Likewise. For example everyone I know who played Andromeda really liked it, and even places that once bashed it have more and more changed their position on the game in hindsight. Hearsay. We have since seen gaming websites suffer for their optimistic approach to Bioware titles, specifically Anthem, which will hurt the reception of future Bioware products, exactly because they have managed to actively harm their livelihood. Bioware's image is a lot worse than you perceive it to be and you expect a simple trailer to win everyone back. After the Anthem story, that's not going to work, because nobody will believe it when Bioware promotes something as "in-game footage".
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Post by traks on Aug 25, 2019 5:23:01 GMT
We really need some news, to get back to an interesting discussion about the future of the series. OK. Here's some news I've been sitting on for a while. I think it's time to share. - Ryder is out, permanently - New game, new protagonist - Next game will not be called Andromeda, it will have a different subtitle - They are aggressively targeting a prequel to the OT - First Contact setting was already visited and ruined by Andromeda - First Contact War could still be revisited, the setting would require a lot of reworking, i.e. retconning, to be viable, but they are willing to do that Bioware peeps, I know you're reading this, any one of you feel free to come in and say I'm wrong. So unless they revisit First Contact, we get Shepard's story leading up to the start of ME 1? Hhm, that's the one Shepard game, that makes sense from a story standpoint. If true, could be a good sign that they really want to get ME back on its feet and plan more games. What I meant with 'news' - as you can see by the reactions - are substantial future ME statements by BioWare (although I know they have enough to do with Anthem right now). If they go prequel first, that IMO can't be the last game, so a 'we are currently planning two to four new games' would be enough for me...
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Post by traks on Aug 25, 2019 5:33:22 GMT
Well, I don't know either. And I don't like the idea either. Can you imagine getting stranded on Shanxi an entire game? Fighting Turians the entire time? With a crew only made up of human alliance soldiers? I don't want to play that. But we can still talk about it. Talking is fun, right?Exactly. I would rather talk about potential game scenarios from a story standpoint or whether they open the door for something to be brought out later, then the bickering I see around here (too often).
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Post by traks on Aug 25, 2019 5:48:29 GMT
BTW, I doubt they go prequel in the end, because people weren't fond of that idea after ME3 and it doesn't really get the franchise to a point it can end, which is something I assume BioWare wants. My speculation for everyone would be that Casey Hudson wants to leave ME in a good place/end it on a high note, so he likely wants one more game wrapping some things up, asking some questions and then call it a (ME) day.
Would be very interesting to get into one of the meeting rooms during a ME brainstorm session.
I'm looking forward to hear what they have in plan. Time for a blog post by CH.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 25, 2019 8:55:51 GMT
So unless they revisit First Contact, we get Shepard's story leading up to the start of ME 1? If they don't go contact war, they can still make a prequel that is just some random squad doing things in galactic space. It can be whatever. But it's a pretty weak premise. Join five dudes and dudettes as they traipse along, fucking around to do some miniscule stuff. I don't know, it doesn't have much of a hook, for me. And we can't have a Shepard prequel, because of the character profiles. Was he on Akuze? Or Was he the Butcher of Torfan? Or do we get a game that takes us through one of them, as our final mission? And doesn't change the fact that Shepard served on an all human Alliance ship. So we're still stuck with an all human squad. Exactly. I would rather talk about potential game scenarios from a story standpoint or whether they open the door for something to be brought out later I'd like that too. BTW, I doubt they go prequel in the end, because people weren't fond of that idea after ME3 and it doesn't really get the franchise to a point it can end, which is something I assume BioWare wants Prequel seems like such an uneventful prospect. It's a bad idea, which is exactly why I kinda do believe it. Do you think they'll shelve ME after that entirely? I don't think EA would afford them another 7 years to develop a new IP, only to come up with something like Anthem. According to the Schreier article, Bioware is currently sitting at the very bottom of the EA corporate chain, as the least successful studio EA has. And it's not like EA is living it up right now, every game they've put out the past 4 years that isn't a sports title, or Apex Legends, has underperformed financially. I don't see Jedi: Fallen Order turning the tide, as Star Wars is hurting as a franchise right now, as well. My point is, EA is in a downward slope and with the global community having been made aware of lootboxes, if EA doesn't tone that down, they're going to get a lot of heat from a lot of governments. They need a hit, a moneymaker and they will gut every studio that doesn't get them one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 10:44:18 GMT
Well, I don't know either. And I don't like the idea either. Can you imagine getting stranded on Shanxi an entire game? Fighting Turians the entire time? With a crew only made up of human alliance soldiers? I don't want to play that. But we can still talk about it. Talking is fun, right?Exactly. I would rather talk about potential game scenarios from a story standpoint or whether they open the door for something to be brought out later, then the bickering I see around here (too often). What is there to talk about it though? Nothing. We've already all stated whether or not we like the idea of a prequel multiple times. We all have probably seen lists of what possible prequels involve from what prequel events have already been mentioned in the series. There aren't that many of them and the post eliminates one of them right off the bat. So, we have 3 possible backstory events and the First Contact War... all of which the MET has reduced to being rather minor skirmishes. The other two possibilities then are the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions, which means there are no humans in the game. We could, I suppose, roll back 50,000 years and play as a Prothean.
If Andrormeda is the "so hated" problem, then the first statement should result in only warm fuzzies from the fans (other than myself who is, according to some, the only one who liked that game).
Still, if it's truly their plan, it's what will ultimately get announced in an official way. If it's not their plan, it won't. If it's a done deal, then it matters not whether or not any of us like the idea. So, there is really nothing to talk about regarding this.
If they are just fishing for fan reaction... well, they pretty much already got that... multiple times from the person who has now "leaked" this too us. That person strongly favors their own particular idea and they can read for weeks all the arguments people have had over that idea. They also believe Andromeda is the scourge of the franchise... so I would expect them to be overjoyed at the thought that Ryder is out of consideration for a future game. Again, there is nothing really new to say over it.
All we can do is wait to see what actually happens.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 11:35:43 GMT
BTW, I doubt they go prequel in the end, because people weren't fond of that idea after ME3 and it doesn't really get the franchise to a point it can end, which is something I assume BioWare wants. My speculation for everyone would be that Casey Hudson wants to leave ME in a good place/end it on a high note, so he likely wants one more game wrapping some things up, asking some questions and then call it a (ME) day. Would be very interesting to get into one of the meeting rooms during a ME brainstorm session. I'm looking forward to hear what they have in plan. Time for a blog post by CH. Why do you assume Bioware wants the franchise to end though? If they get another hit game, wouldn't they want to continue with whatever story that entails? Why go to all the trouble to look for a means of continuing storywise only to plan to write that opening into another finale within a single game?... while still abandoning a story in mid-stream in the process. That sort of attitude/action on their part makes the least sense to me. Their time would be better spent developing another new IP, something completely removed from either Anthem or Mass Effect.
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Post by traks on Aug 25, 2019 13:05:07 GMT
BTW, I doubt they go prequel in the end, because people weren't fond of that idea after ME3 and it doesn't really get the franchise to a point it can end, which is something I assume BioWare wants. My speculation for everyone would be that Casey Hudson wants to leave ME in a good place/end it on a high note, so he likely wants one more game wrapping some things up, asking some questions and then call it a (ME) day. Would be very interesting to get into one of the meeting rooms during a ME brainstorm session. I'm looking forward to hear what they have in plan. Time for a blog post by CH. Why do you assume Bioware wants the franchise to end though? If they get another hit game, wouldn't they want to continue with whatever story that entails? Why go to all the trouble to look for a means of continuing storywise only to plan to write that opening into another finale within a single game?... while still abandoning a story in mid-stream in the process. That sort of attitude/action on their part makes the least sense to me. Their time would be better spent developing another new IP, something completely removed from either Anthem or Mass Effect. Why should they abandon a story mid-stream if they approach the next game as if it is the last? I just think we are lucky if we get one more Mass Effect game and somehow think the original team (Hudson, Falkner, P. Watamaniak, Watts, ... who are all still or again there; that only wanted to do a trilogy) comes in now, to give the series a high quality (remember: quality, not necessarily high sales) fifth game. Just because they - especially Hudson - surely don't want their baby to end with a sour note. Not sure if they then feel rejuvenated enough to go through more trouble. Of course it would be nice, if they announce a new trilogy set 1000 years after the first, but I doubt they are in the position now. Another reminder: they wanted to do something different after ME3, that's why they started working on a new IP and left MEA to the Montreal team. So my best guess is a fifth game that links both galaxies (relays returning either at the start or the end depending on the point where the story picks up...).
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