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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 26, 2018 0:25:23 GMT
seems like 75% of the posters on this thread actually want Bioware to be closed down. It can seem that way, but bear in mind that some BSNers have ridden this train for a long time and tastes can fall out of step with where the market is. Hmm, my instinct is that most people around here want BioWare to succeed but critical posts have a 'squeaky wheel effect. But I might be wrong. I think it might be interesting to see what the truth of it is ~ I'll appropriate this post into a little poll.
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Post by tatarforas on Jan 26, 2018 0:38:36 GMT
No definitely not, however if possible I'd like them to either separate from EA and become independent or partner up with Microsoft.
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Post by copper on Jan 26, 2018 0:40:23 GMT
I don't. If their games end up changing so much that I don't enjoy them anymore, then I'll stop buying them. At that point I wouldn't care what happens to Bioware as a company, positive or negative.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 1:00:13 GMT
No. Bio In my house someone plays a BioWARE game nearly every day since 2013
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Post by Otter on Jan 26, 2018 1:16:17 GMT
While I haven't been an active part of the fandom for very long, I have played every bioware game since neverwinter nights (mostly in the order and times they came out), and I do agree that they have changed. Specifically, I think that they've changed for the better in almost every aspect I care about. They've gone from making decent digital tabletop rpgs (frankly, a badly thought-out genre to start with) with good writing to making decent action(ish) rpgs with some of the best writing in games. If they kept the same level of writing quality and quantity, I'd be glad as a clam if they somehow managed to put it into a puzzle game. And despite what the nostalgists keep saying, I do think they're keeping it up. The only difference is that now there's a pack of metaphobic anti-fans actively trying to paint each new game in as poor a light as possible.
So while the company has changed, to me, making Anthem as a full action game isn't branching too far away from their roots, it's budding a different color of flower on the same plant.
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Post by clips7 on Jan 26, 2018 2:04:46 GMT
I don't. If their games end up changing so much that I don't enjoy them anymore, then I'll stop buying them. At that point I wouldn't care what happens to Bioware as a company, positive or negative. This pretty much.....nobody wishes ill will on anybody, but if this company transforms into a shell of it's former self, then i just won't buy their games anymore. Andromeda is the very first Mass Effect game that i see myself NOT going back for multiple playthroughs. Fortunately a bad game with a bad story and characters can be fixed with a team that is up to the task of writing a good story and creating interesting characters. Bioware is not at the point of no return yet, but with this "Live" Jazz as it pertains to Dragon Age (to me it feels like more transactions or unfinished storylines/games) and with Anthem (competing with Destiny).....it feels like Bioware is slowly becoming more socially interactive..... I just hope they get back to making quality single player content....I feel EA might be dipping their hand in the cookie jar once too often....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 2:32:04 GMT
As much as we may not want to see an end to BioWare if Anthem flops well the fat lady will be warming up her vocal cords in pretty short order.
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Post by vhiran on Jan 26, 2018 3:19:36 GMT
NO ONE HERE WILL VOTE YES. At the end of the day everyone on social is a fan, because this isn't a wacky hivemind - although thanks for making a thread of my previous post, it felt like i was on reddit for a second which was why i made it.
Why? Because if you go onto Reddit, then 3/4 of responses will pretty much talk about how they are total shit and should go away, EA ruined them, everyone good is gone, etc etc ad nauseam.
Bioware really has the deck stacked against them and i don't think they realize it. The open world in inquisition was 90% optional, yet people still bitch about picking elfroot. Andromeda was jacked up but there were plenty of YTers who intentionally broke the game just to make it look bad and get clicks.
And now everyone is beating hard over Anthem being delayed because it means the game probably sucks. Oh yeah, there's a lot of people out there who want Bioware to fail, just to dance on their grave and say they were right all along.
And, IMO, there's no 'pro' to bioware getting shuttered.
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Post by simit on Jan 26, 2018 3:37:54 GMT
I like there games an it would be a shame if they went but in all honesty the fate of any company is pretty low in my life, i'd comment about it but would i ultimately care? not really
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 26, 2018 3:45:36 GMT
I think there are some that just want to see them close but they are outside of the forum because they stopped supporting them long ago. Like, some on ResetERA don't give them a single chance no matter what.
I really want them to change but if they close it wouldn't be good. Only positive outcome would be if a portion of the studio pulled a Keiiji Inafune but without a pissy result. I'd really like to see more studios like Beamdog but some that show actual growth and have some actual ambition. A huge problem within BioWare has been the increasing influence of programmers and writers being promoted to the point of ineptitude and it has made their products and the studio's management worse from what i can tell. They need much stronger top-level direction and have been sort of floundering ever since Greg and Ray left as CEOs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 3:49:13 GMT
seems like 75% of the posters on this thread actually want Bioware to be closed down. It can seem that way, but bear in mind that some BSNers have ridden this train for a long time and tastes can fall out of step with where the market is. Hmm, my instinct is that most people around here want BioWare to succeed but critical posts have a 'squeaky wheel effect. But I might be wrong. I think it might be interesting to see what the truth of it is ~ I'll appropriate this post into a little poll. I'd actually say yes. For me, BioWare died when ME3 launched in the half-assed state it did, and I made my bitterness public. Never cared much for Dragon Age, I dodged the bullet with Old Republic, and I expected ME3 to end my "gaming career" on a high note. As it is, there was literally no game really worth getting excited over, and whatever I did get ended up being monumental disappointments (Deus Ex: Mankind Divided and Ghost Recon: Wildlands fell short of expectations; only Arkham Knight, Saints Row 4, and Ghost Recon: Future Soldier were the only good games for me, and as far as upcoming releases go, only Far Cry 5 is holding my interest. I am completely on the fence about Cyberpunk 2077 because of the lack of details).
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jan 26, 2018 4:02:21 GMT
Do I "want" them to? No. Do I care if they do? Not really as I don't get that attached to a developer. I mean I'll brag if they do a good job but I won't get so attached to be disappointed/angry in an obsessive (keyword being "obsessive", ill harp on a devs issues but harping on them won't be my life) manner if they fall.
There is undoubtedly people who want them shutdown because they want it to be a lesson to the team that failure isn't allowed. If you piss people off enough, they'll gladly watch you go down.
My response would be why not get into other developers? I know people have this mindset that Bioware games are one of a kind but they really aren't, especially this day and age where most developers have caught up and taken inspiration from their games, it's why there's options when it comes to video games.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 26, 2018 4:03:59 GMT
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Anthem, I hope, will turn out to be a fun game to play.
Kotaku's recent report indicates Bio is re-thinking their approach to MTs and LBs. This tells me the game won't have predatory, grindy practices like SWBF2 (update on its progression system due in MAR 2018, btw).
E3 in (June?) will tell us more. The much anticipated game, Cyber Punk 2077, will be there and EA needs to show they are still in the running. Ergo, Anthem will be shown to us... in 4K glory.
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Post by warden on Jan 26, 2018 4:25:23 GMT
i don't give a damn to be honest.
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Do I "want" them to? No. Do I care if they do? Not really as I don't get that attached to a developer. I mean I'll brag if they do a good job but I won't get so attached to be disappointed/angry in an obsessive (keyword being "obsessive", ill harp on a devs issues but harping on them won't be my life) manner if they fall. There is undoubtedly people who want them shutdown because they want it to be a lesson to the team that failure isn't allowed. If you piss people off enough, they'll gladly watch you go down. My response would be why not get into other developers? I know people have this mindset that Bioware games are one of a kind but they really aren't, especially this day and age where most developers have caught up and taken inspiration from their games, it's why there's options when it comes to video games. Unfortunately, what other AAA developers there are already stopped making the games I cared for, ceased to exist (Primarily single-player person), or are under the umbrella of a much maligned publisher (i.e. Atlus, Konami, Capcom, EA, Activision). Whatever indie games there are is a complete gamble for me up to the point I have to constantly flip a coin for purchasing the games I'm on the fence on (i.e. Breach & Clear: Deadline, Punch Club, Jydge, and Bleed were the only games I barely lucked out on in genuinely liking). - Rocksteady stopped with the Arkham series, and I'm less inclined to play any other DC properties (i.e. I never cared much for Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Arrow, and Green Lantern) if Rocksteady were to offer any other superhero games - Respawn Entertainment left the Call of Duty business willingly and unwillingly at the same time, focusing more on multiplayer with Titanfall (not wanting to give EA my cash for Titanfall 2, even for a 4 hour campaign) - UbiSoft has always been a hit or miss. Whatever I do like doesn't get any more sequels, or the quality has gone downhill with each title. (Blood Dragon for the former, Splinter Cell for the latter. Never cared much for Assassin's Creed) - Volition has the Saints Row franchise on ice, if not already finished with it - Westwood Studios got killed by EA, and of course that led to Command & Conquer being in the toilet - Blizzard Entertainment went into the bullshit Always Online-DRM shenanigans with Starcraft 2, alienating me from buying the game completely. - Capcom went downhill since the 2000's, and the last game I enjoyed was Resident Evil 5. - Activision is on the same as level as EA as a publisher, so whatever games they offer, I avoid like the plague (i.e. Any Marvel property under their resume such as Deadpool and Ultimate Alliance, Prototype, Destiny, Call of Duty post-Modern Warfare 2) - I never cared for any Japanese RPG for the past two decades, so no gun to my head will change my mind. - I never cared for sports games or racing games, so I'm less inclined to try them. BTW, 95% of sports games are under EA's umbrella (sense a recurring pattern here?) - Halo has been downhill since 3, Reach was the final nail in the coffin, and Halo 4 and 5 did little to change my mind. - Deus Ex series and Sleeping Dogs franchise are dead no thanks to Square Enix interference - I never cared for the GTA franchise since IV - Syphon Filter died on a shitty platform (PSP) - Metal Gear is officially dead since Solid 4 - I'm on the fence about PS4 Spider-Man because of being burned by mediocre games (Ultimate Spider-Man ruined my interest in a Spider-Man game) - No Punisher game worth playing (Hated the half-assed nature of the PS2/Xbox game) outside of the 1993 arcade game - Aliens and Aliens vs. Predator franchise is in the shitter So much for me looking for other devs at this point. Unless I happen to buy a $2000+ PC, I can't find any game I will enjoy on my free time hassle-free that is worth the full retail price no thanks to the games being half-baked.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 26, 2018 4:32:30 GMT
No definitely not, however if possible I'd like them to either separate from EA and become independent or partner up with Microsoft. Personally I am not sure if that would be better or worse. Look at what happened with Bungie when they separated from Microsoft. The studio split in half with employees staying and founding 343 studios to continue to work on Halo since Microsoft retained the IPs that Bungie created and it seems they sold themselves to Activision for a decade to leave Microsoft and now they have the mess of Destiny and Destiny 2 hanging around their necks.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 26, 2018 4:34:03 GMT
NO ONE HERE WILL VOTE YES. At the end of the day everyone on social is a fan, because this isn't a wacky hivemind - although thanks for making a thread of my previous post, it felt like i was on reddit for a second which was why i made it. Looks like someone did just to spite you. It wasn't me! I'm fine with evolution. It's a natural consequence of success, so why would I want them to never change?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 4:39:52 GMT
It's painfully obvious these days that the AAA industry no longer wants to push good products for the consumer. Great AAA games are mostly a thing of the past. These days it's all about manipulating the customer in the most intricate ways with big data, by analyzing their social profile, manipulating their perception of the world and their environment all in order to drive sales (lootboxes in CoD, SWBF2, even Ubisoft now does it). And whatever great message video games as a medium could convey, because I believe video games are pretty special in the sense that they can unite people to play together and work collectively towards the same goals, is now being neglected at the replacement of whatever brings in the most $$. Game corporations like EA, Blizzard, Bungie etc are very well aware that a vast majority of gamers (vs rest of society) are weaker and needier for entertainment and they're really just the perfect demography to prey on. I mean just look at Destiny 2 and how much shit Bungie is pushing out of their assh*le and gamers are still willing to eat whatever bs is thrown at them because they're just desperate low-lifers with zero self respect who have fallen into a hole with no one to drag them out.
Now a quick word about EA, well its clear that EA is nothing but a fuckin parasite who draws most of its revenue from FIFA and Madden, and I mean a LARGE portion of it, and that's all they truly need to stay afloat. But EA is a parasite which needs to burn everything it touches. so that when you have, eg a AAA company such as Respawn which consistently pushes successful games, it's just logical for EA to acquire those companies and their IP, force them to push below-average games with lootboxes or whatever microtx tied in (by investing less in the development of the actual game but more in future digital sales) and benefit from the company's brand and innocent customers who will do anything to support their beloved company which is truly nothing but a shell of its former self. And once that doesn't work anymore, just burn the whole thing to the ground and start again.
Anthem is no exception. It's gonna be average, or below average with horrible microtx schemes, and you can bet your ass that EA is gonna indulge in predatory practices. Bioware died long ago for me, and while there are some people I absolutely admire who work there, I hate to think that their work will be used in the lamest of ways
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 26, 2018 4:43:43 GMT
This is going to end well...
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Post by Label07 on Jan 26, 2018 4:44:13 GMT
Why would anyone ever want a studio to close? Only an a**hole would vote yes, or as a troll vote. More studios means more potential great gaming experiences, look at all the great indie titles constantly hitting Steam...
To BioWare...learn from your mistakes. Andromeda was a disaster, only a person on the inside could paint the picture to exactly why it turned out so bad and we may never hear that story. If someone knows it, would be interesting. For those that have not heard it that do work in the industry, use it for wisdom.
ME1/2 amazing, 3 the writer(s) and direction were terrible, was like a cheesy B movie with the whole kid Shepard thing, just dumb. 1 & 2 built upon the story of the Reapers, different alien species, and combat + we had a clear goal, find out more about the Reapers and how to defeat them, the situation seemed dire and that's exactly how it should have felt! 3 did have the best combat but that couldn't save it from the bad writing. Needed more Karpyshyn!
LSS - NO, don't want Bioware to close. Get rid of SW:ToR, it's terrible for MMO standards. Put all your effort into making Anthem great before you even have a thought about how to monetize it. Us gamers can smell that BS a mile away and as we've seen with SWBF2 and other greedy games of late, there will be backlash...1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 4:45:39 GMT
Why would anyone ever want a studio to close? Only an a**hole would vote yes, or as a troll vote. More studios means more potential great gaming experiences, look at all the great indie titles constantly hitting Steam... To BioWare...learn from your mistakes. Andromeda was a disaster, only a person on the inside could paint the picture to exactly why it turned out so bad and we may never hear that story. If someone knows it, would be interesting. For those that have not heard it that do work in the industry, use it for wisdom. ME1/2 amazing, 3 the writer(s) and direction were terrible, was like a cheesy B movie with the whole kid Shepard thing, just dumb. 1 & 2 built upon the story of the Reapers, different alien species, and combat. 3 did have the best combat but that couldn't save it from the bad writing. Needed more Karpyshyn! LSS - NO, don't want Bioware to close. Get rid of SW:ToR, it's terrible for MMO standards. Put all your effort into making Anthem great before you even have a thought about how to monetize it. Us gamers can smell that BS a mile away and as we've seen with SWBF2 and other greedy games of late, there will be backlash...1 BTW, this asshole wouldn't have been one if BioWare didn't fuck up ME3.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jan 26, 2018 4:50:25 GMT
Respawn wasn't successful though, that's why they sold out to EA in the first place. The titanfall franchise wasn't selling well which hurt their profits. Selling out to EA increases their fundings as EA will back that up. It's the same reason Bioware sold out to EA 11 years ago, a developer can only live by itself if they're good enough to do it and few really can, hence most having a publisher to them regardless whether a fanbase likes it or not. If it's not EA then it's Activision, Ubisoft, Microsoft, etc etc as everyone seems to have nothing but problems with publishers.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 26, 2018 4:52:18 GMT
Bioware has delivered the best RPG experiences I've had outside of PnP. Of course I don't want them to fail. I might not mind a course correction, though.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 26, 2018 4:52:23 GMT
Bioware died long ago for me So you're saying you are some kind of necrophiliac? Why else would you still be posting on this forum?
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Post by Label07 on Jan 26, 2018 4:52:29 GMT
That's a rather pessimistic viewpoint.
I'm curious OP, why do you want it to fail? You do realize EA, even though they love money more than a good product, really does not want any product to fail as it does not make them money. The potential to monetize later dissipates as well just like with SWBF2. If you want it to fail because it will be a blow to EA that is short-sighted. Bioware will be the company to suffer the most, either absorbed or dissolved. Judge each game/company on their own merits. Wouldn't it be better if this game succeeded and set an example for other games studios to follow? Create a great product first before trying to figure out how to monetize.
You can bet, if I see any of the same/new schemes that have been applied to other greedy games Anthem is dead to me. The point of using the forums this early is hopefully prevent that. They even have a dev that is very interactive with the community even answering questions on reddit, forget his name...
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