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Post by samhain444 on Jan 26, 2018 4:52:42 GMT
I still regularly playthrough Mass Effect 1 - 3, Dragon Age series, and spent a lot of time in Andromeda. They make the games I like so, yeah, it would suck if they were closed down. Can't say there any other developer I actually care about besides them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 4:53:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 5:00:10 GMT
It's painfully obvious these days that the AAA industry no longer wants to push good products for the consumer. Great AAA games are mostly a thing of the past. These days it's all about manipulating the customer in the most intricate ways with big data, by analyzing their social profile, manipulating their perception of the world and their environment all in order to drive sales (lootboxes in CoD, SWBF2, even Ubisoft now does it). And whatever great message video games as a medium could convey, because I believe video games are pretty special in the sense that they can unite people to play together and work collectively towards the same goals, is now being neglected at the replacement of whatever brings in the most $$. Game corporations like EA, Blizzard, Bungie etc are very well aware that a vast majority of gamers (vs rest of society) are weaker and needier for entertainment and they're really just the perfect demography to prey on. I mean just look at Destiny 2 and how much shit Bungie is pushing out of their assh*le and gamers are still willing to eat whatever bs is thrown at them because they're just desperate low-lifers with zero self respect who have fallen into a hole with no one to drag them out. Now a quick word about EA, well its clear that EA is nothing but a fuckin parasite who draws most of its revenue from FIFA and Madden, and I mean a LARGE portion of it, and that's all they truly need to stay afloat. But EA is a parasite which needs to burn everything it touches. so that when you have, eg a AAA company such as Respawn which consistently pushes successful games, it's just logical for EA to acquire those companies and their IP, force them to push below-average games with lootboxes or whatever microtx tied in (by investing less in the development of the actual game but more in future digital sales) and benefit from the company's brand and innocent customers who will do anything to support their beloved company which is truly nothing but a shell of its former self. And once that doesn't work anymore, just burn the whole thing to the ground and start again. Anthem is no exception. It's gonna be average, or below average with horrible microtx schemes, and you can bet your ass that EA is gonna indulge in predatory practices. Bioware died long ago for me, and while there are some people I absolutely admire who work there, I hate to think that their work will be used in the lamest of ways Wave, if I ever meet you in real life, name me your favorite drink and I'll buy you the entire stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 5:03:14 GMT
That's a rather pessimistic viewpoint. I'm curious OP, why do you want it to fail? You do realize EA, even though they love money more than a good product, really does not want any product to fail as it does not make them money. The potential to monetize later dissipates as well just like with SWBF2. If you want it to fail because it will be a blow to EA that is short-sighted. Bioware will be the company to suffer the most, either absorbed or dissolved. Judge each game/company on their own merits. Wouldn't it be better if this game succeeded and set an example for other games studios to follow? Create a great product first before trying to figure out how to monetize. You can bet, if I see any of the same/new schemes that have been applied to other greedy games Anthem is dead to me. The point of using the forums this early is hopefully prevent that. They even have a dev that is very interactive with the community even answering questions on reddit, forget his name... Problem is the antagonistic perception of EA is warranted. They have killed at least a dozen dev companies since the 2000s, and whatever has been offered under EA's umbrella has consistently sucked ass. Hard to be optimistic about that. My posting record is already public knowledge on why I'm likely to agree with Wave.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 26, 2018 5:07:35 GMT
Wave, if I ever meet you in real life, name me your favorite drink and I'll buy you the entire stock. Straight up, no sarcasm, I'd really like to know why the both of you spend time on this forum. I mean, I'm mad as hell that J.J. Abrams ruined Star Trek (at least on the big screen), but I don't hang out on Star Trek forums and talk about how much I want J.J. Abrams to curl up and die. Let alone try to convince other people to wish death on him also. Really, it makes no sense to me. So enlighten me.
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Post by vallixas on Jan 26, 2018 5:15:33 GMT
You should want it to succeed, if it fails that just puts Bioware closer to extinction via EA execution.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 5:17:22 GMT
You should want it to succeed, if it fails that just puts Bioware closer to extinction via EA execution. Considering how mediocre most of the post ME3 titles were, execution is considered a mercy at this point.
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Post by vallixas on Jan 26, 2018 5:22:34 GMT
You should want it to succeed, if it fails that just puts Bioware closer to extinction via EA execution. Considering how mediocre most of the post ME3 titles were, execution is considered a mercy at this point. I thought Inquisiton was atleast...."ok" though I never felt the need to go back and replay it as I did Origins mostly because of it's single player mmo feel. Which is a similar reason why I haven't gone back to Andromeda after beating it once.
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Post by vhiran on Jan 26, 2018 6:07:35 GMT
Get rid of SW:ToR, it's terrible for MMO standards. literally playing this right now... nobody listen to this guy, don't get rid of it, i enjoy playing through the story. Only problem with it is it's terribad engine and the fact that it's a WoW knockoff, with an ESO-esque redesign and brought over to consoles it would be great.
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Post by vallixas on Jan 26, 2018 6:14:42 GMT
No real opinion, I guess I don't care either way. I will always remember Bio for Kotor, Mass Effect, and will always be a fan of those games. I've accepted that one series is going nowhere, and the other is in a sorry state. I've enjoyed Dragon Age, but i've never really been THAT invested in it's lore as I was with Kotor or ME IMO there's better fantasy world's out there, so it could go either way. It would be a loss, but this generation has seen the rise of many other great rpg developers. Bioware as of late has fallen behind them. If they do so happen to ever close down hopefully they would have released a ME trilogy remaster by then
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Post by tacsear on Jan 26, 2018 8:43:21 GMT
Why would anyone ever want a studio to close? Only an a**hole would vote yes, or as a troll vote. More studios means more potential great gaming experiences, look at all the great indie titles constantly hitting Steam... To BioWare...learn from your mistakes. Andromeda was a disaster, only a person on the inside could paint the picture to exactly why it turned out so bad and we may never hear that story. If someone knows it, would be interesting. For those that have not heard it that do work in the industry, use it for wisdom. ME1/2 amazing, 3 the writer(s) and direction were terrible, was like a cheesy B movie with the whole kid Shepard thing, just dumb. 1 & 2 built upon the story of the Reapers, different alien species, and combat + we had a clear goal, find out more about the Reapers and how to defeat them, the situation seemed dire and that's exactly how it should have felt! 3 did have the best combat but that couldn't save it from the bad writing. Needed more Karpyshyn! LSS - NO, don't want Bioware to close. Get rid of SW:ToR, it's terrible for MMO standards. Put all your effort into making Anthem great before you even have a thought about how to monetize it. Us gamers can smell that BS a mile away and as we've seen with SWBF2 and other greedy games of late, there will be backlash...1 SWtOR is a masterpiece for MMO standarts
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Post by cribbian on Jan 26, 2018 9:36:42 GMT
No, for all their flaws they still make the games I enjoy the most.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jan 26, 2018 10:26:52 GMT
I would welcome Bioware closure if and only if it means the immediate death of EA.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 26, 2018 10:38:50 GMT
No, of course not. At worst, they will make games that I don't enjoy and become irrelevant to me, but that doesn't mean I'd want them to shut down. Wait. At the absolute worst, they will make successful games that I don't enjoy which will then cause other dev studios to try and jump onto the bandwagon and also make games that I don't enjoy, so... hmm... But then again, all big studios have that potential.
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Post by uprightshark on Jan 26, 2018 12:06:00 GMT
No definitely not, however if possible I'd like them to either separate from EA and become independent or partner up with Microsoft. What he said!
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Post by apollexander on Jan 26, 2018 12:50:36 GMT
I jumped on Bioware's train in 2009. I wonder what the situation was when Jade Empire, Bioware's first IP, flopped in 2005. Did people want Bioware to be closed?
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Post by isaidlunch on Jan 26, 2018 13:49:10 GMT
I'd only care because it would mean no DA4, I couldn't care less about the company itself. They killed Mass Effect, put SWTOR on life support and delayed DA4 until who knows when, all so they can chase the multiplayer lootbox crowd. If it flops I won't be shedding tears for them.
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Post by tatarforas on Jan 26, 2018 14:44:55 GMT
No definitely not, however if possible I'd like them to either separate from EA and become independent or partner up with Microsoft. Personally I am not sure if that would be better or worse. Look at what happened with Bungie when they separated from Microsoft. The studio split in half with employees staying and founding 343 studios to continue to work on Halo since Microsoft retained the IPs that Bungie created and it seems they sold themselves to Activision for a decade to leave Microsoft and now they have the mess of Destiny and Destiny 2 hanging around their necks. Lol true, Bungie certainly fell from grace, however as long Bioware managed to keep key personnel they'd probably manage to avoid the same fate as Bungie. And as far as publishers go Microsoft is middle of the pack when it comes to scummy practices, right now Bioware continuing to be under EAs umbrella only hurts them, between the disastrous launch of MEA and the MTX shitstorm of SWBF2 things just don't bode well for future EA games.....and from what I've seen in various online communities gamers are ready to boycott any game with EAs badge. If Anthem doesn't perform well there's a good chance that Bioware will get shuttered or severely downsized. Independence or partnering up with a different company (not Activision though) is their best option at this point.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jan 26, 2018 15:27:30 GMT
I jumped on Bioware's train in 2009. I wonder what the situation was when Jade Empire, Bioware's first IP, flopped in 2005. Did people want Bioware to be closed? www.bit-tech.net/blogs/gaming/i-hate-jade-empire/1/Jade empire wasn't biowares first IP. Bioware is OLD. They started ou in mech games, worked their way to baldurs gate, NW, mass effect, dragon age, sonic, and now Anthem. that link is one reviewers opinion on the game, there was much of that going around for JE. I can't remember off the top of my head if people wanted Bioware dead with JE but I do recall seeing it with DA2 and after. The "hate" for them isn't new or a recent thing really but I guesss you could say it has grown since. Even then, if people wasn't wanting them shut down at the time you had people bringing up how their newer franchises at the time (mass effect and dragon age) were so different to baldurs gate that it irked people.
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Post by warden on Jan 26, 2018 15:34:09 GMT
meanwhile Muzyka, Zeschuk and Yip are calmly enjoying all the money EA payed after selling the company, and watching the mess they have been spared off them.
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Post by vallixas on Jan 26, 2018 15:38:50 GMT
I jumped on Bioware's train in 2009. I wonder what the situation was when Jade Empire, Bioware's first IP, flopped in 2005. Did people want Bioware to be closed? Not their first IP, it was certainly their first bad one, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 15:45:28 GMT
I was not tuned in into the larger community feels in 2005, I was hanging out with the modding crowd. I played Jade and loved it. Its only drawback as far as I was concerned was not really being able to mod Zu’s romance in. So I went back to modding the old infinity games and NWN2.
i think for me back then in-fighting over the mods, and what to mod mattered more, and it never really even occurred to me that BioWare might have troubles. It was always Obsidian that teetered on the brink and had problems. As far as I knew in my community everyone worshiped the pixels Bio walked on in that time period. The seething hatred was reserved for NWN1, and, to a degree, for the dialogue wheel in ME, but it was not associated with “we hate Bio!”
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 26, 2018 16:20:15 GMT
meanwhile Muzyka, Zeschuk and Yip are calmly enjoying all the money EA payed after selling the company, and watching the mess they have been spared off them. That would only be true if it happened that way. 1) BioWare and Pandemic decided to merge. 2) To merge they needed millions of dollars. 3) They borrowed money from a private equity firm. 4) EA approached the private equity firm. 5) EA bought BioWare and Pandemic for twice of what they loaned BioWare and Pandemic from the private equity firm.
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Post by apollexander on Jan 26, 2018 16:51:07 GMT
I jumped on Bioware's train in 2009. I wonder what the situation was when Jade Empire, Bioware's first IP, flopped in 2005. Did people want Bioware to be closed? www.bit-tech.net/blogs/gaming/i-hate-jade-empire/1/Jade empire wasn't biowares first IP. Bioware is OLD. They started ou in mech games, worked their way to baldurs gate, NW, mass effect, dragon age, sonic, and now Anthem. that link is one reviewers opinion on the game, there was much of that going around for JE. I can't remember off the top of my head if people wanted Bioware dead with JE but I do recall seeing it with DA2 and after. The "hate" for them isn't new or a recent thing really but I guesss you could say it has grown since. Even then, if people wasn't wanting them shut down at the time you had people bringing up how their newer franchises at the time (mass effect and dragon age) were so different to baldurs gate that it irked people. Thanks for you information. I know Bioware is old, but I meant Jade Empire is their first original IP. BG and NWN are DNDs, and SWKOTOR is Star Wars.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jan 26, 2018 18:38:54 GMT
No definitely not but I’d like for them to go back to their traditional ways of making games, which means great stories and great characters in each game but for that to be truly possible I think they need to be independent again, free from EA or anyone else for that matter.
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