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Post by themikefest on Feb 6, 2018 17:39:23 GMT
Is this due to LI choice or some other reason? I like her voice
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Post by duskwanderer on Feb 6, 2018 22:17:05 GMT
How? That's the problem, nothing is ever explained as to why the rebel mages might be needed. Plus, I get a large army trained to fight demons. I could use that when fighting an army of demons. Anti-magic spells. Cassandra also suggests they need to the Inquisition. Mages are also trained to fight demons, more than the Templars, from their childhood. Correction: They are trained to RESIST demons. To not give in to their temptations. Remember Mouse at the very beginning of the Mage origin: "Simple fighting. That is a warriors job." In fact, given the number of demons, a bunch of mages, particularly mages who despise the concept of training, isn't a good idea.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 6, 2018 22:42:10 GMT
Anti-magic spells. Cassandra also suggests they need to the Inquisition. Mages are also trained to fight demons, more than the Templars, from their childhood. Correction: They are trained to RESIST demons. To not give in to their temptations. Remember Mouse at the very beginning of the Mage origin: "Simple fighting. That is a warriors job." In fact, given the number of demons, a bunch of mages, particularly mages who despise the concept of training, isn't a good idea. Resist and fight against them. The Templar can stop a mage spells, but a mage much stronger than a mage. A demon sees a mage better than a non-mage, and a demon wants to go to the mortal world with using a mortal, so they use the mage, whom they see to "go" to the mortal world (but they still in the Fade...). But the demons already inside the mortal world. No matter, who fight against them. A demon able to possess everything, except the Seekers. So: the Templars not more safe solution, when the demons are already here.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 6, 2018 22:47:22 GMT
Pssst, someone please give me all the reasons a mage (Circle/Dalish/qunari merc) would go to the templars instead of the mages
I need it for..... science aka fleshing out a new playthrough
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Post by duskwanderer on Feb 6, 2018 23:02:52 GMT
Correction: They are trained to RESIST demons. To not give in to their temptations. Remember Mouse at the very beginning of the Mage origin: "Simple fighting. That is a warriors job." In fact, given the number of demons, a bunch of mages, particularly mages who despise the concept of training, isn't a good idea. Resist and fight against them. The Templar can stop a mage spells, but a mage much stronger than a mage. A demon sees a mage better than a non-mage, and a demon wants to go to the mortal world with using a mortal, so they uses the mage, whom they sees to "go" to the mortal world (but they still in the Fade...). But the demons already inside the mortal world. No matter, who fight against them. A demon able to possess everything, except the Seekers. So: the Templars not more safe solution, when the demons are already here. I'm not sure if it's your grammar or what, but this doesn't make any sense. Mages are trained to resist demons first and foremost. Again, remember what Mouse said. The templars aren't trained *just* to fight mages. Their abilities are against the Fade, reinforcing reality (as Solas puts it). They are useful against all Fade creatures, of which demons are. Demons are only in the world because of the Fade rifts, which pull them through against their will. Having the things that deny the Fade are extremely helpful against demons. Again, I'm not seeing what mages are supposed to do other than "MAGIC!"
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 6, 2018 23:08:14 GMT
Pssst, someone please give me all the reasons a mage (Circle/Dalish/qunari merc) would go to the templars instead of the mages Off the top of my head? 1. A Mage can already do magic. Templars would provide an effective supplement to that. 2. Cullen says Templars would work, and has actual experience nullifying magic. He would know better than anyone else. 3. Depending on how far you get into Redcliffe, you know that the rebels are clearly planning something, possibly even that they're planning to kill the Herald. Having the Templars on your side when they try could be helpful. 4. In a twisted sort of way, the fact that the Templars shrug the Inquisition off while the Mages come asking for an alliance (only to jump into bed with whoever came first, namely Alexius) presents them as weaker allies from an organizational standpoint. 5. Trevelyan Mages, particularly, might have a particularly vested interest in opposing the rebellion, since backstory implies that they had a fair amount of freedom before it began anyway, and may have had no qualms with life at the Circle.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 6, 2018 23:22:07 GMT
Resist and fight against them. The Templar can stop a mage spells, but a mage much stronger than a mage.
A demon sees a mage better than a non-mage, and a demon wants to go to the mortal world with using a mortal, so they use the mage, whom they see to "go" to the mortal world (but they still in the Fade...). But the demons already inside the mortal world. No matter, who fight against them. A demon able to possess everything, except the Seekers. So: the Templars not more safe solution, when the demons are already here. I'm not sure if it's your grammar or what, but this doesn't make any sense. Mages are trained to resist demons first and foremost. Again, remember what Mouse said.
The templars aren't trained *just* to fight mages. Their abilities are against the Fade, reinforcing reality (as Solas puts it). They are useful against all Fade creatures, of which demons are.
Demons are only in the world because of the Fade rifts, which pull them through against their will. Having the things that deny the Fade are extremely helpful against demons.
Again, I'm not seeing what mages are supposed to do other than "MAGIC!" They can't take away the demons, when they are inside the mortal world, and embodied. At the moment they're not only dreams, I guess, but perhaps I'm wrong. But also the mages have anto-magic spells, and you can deny that, but Cassandra, a Seeker also suggest the Mages at first. And a Trevelyan/Dalish mage know, for what they able. I don't deny, the Templars can be useful, but not better than the mages, and they don't want to help at the moment.
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Post by duskwanderer on Feb 6, 2018 23:26:32 GMT
I'm not sure if it's your grammar or what, but this doesn't make any sense. Mages are trained to resist demons first and foremost. Again, remember what Mouse said.
The templars aren't trained *just* to fight mages. Their abilities are against the Fade, reinforcing reality (as Solas puts it). They are useful against all Fade creatures, of which demons are.
Demons are only in the world because of the Fade rifts, which pull them through against their will. Having the things that deny the Fade are extremely helpful against demons.
Again, I'm not seeing what mages are supposed to do other than "MAGIC!" They can't take away the demons, when they are inside the mortal world, and embodied. At the moment they're not only dreams, I guess, but perhaps I'm wrong. But also the mages have anto-magic spells, and you can deny that, but Cassandra, a Seeker also suggest the Mages at first. And a Trevelyan/Dalish mage know, for what they able. I don't deny, the Templars can be useful, but not better than the mages, and they don't want to help at the moment. A.) The mages have no desire to help. We see it when we talk to them. B.) The templars, actually, do want to help. It is their leader, Lord Seeker Lucius, who does not. C.) Templars are trained to fight demons in the mortal world: Iron Bull also discusses it when you talk to him about Cullen, who remarks that he fights as if fighting demons, specifically. D.) Cassandra made her statement, true. That doesn't mean they are the most effective solution to the problem. Not to mention she tends to have some sympathies towards them given her history with Regallien. Plus, she's perfectly okay with the templars should you make that choice.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 6, 2018 23:29:19 GMT
Pssst, someone please give me all the reasons a mage (Circle/Dalish/qunari merc) would go to the templars instead of the mages Off the top of my head? 1. A Mage can already do magic. Templars would provide an effective supplement to that. 2. Cullen says Templars would work, and has actual experience nullifying magic. He would know better than anyone else. 3. Depending on how far you get into Redcliffe, you know that the rebels are clearly planning something, possibly even that they're planning to kill the Herald. Having the Templars on your side when they try could be helpful. 4. In a twisted sort of way, the fact that the Templars shrug the Inquisition off while the Mages come asking for an alliance (only to jump into bed with whoever came first, namely Alexius) presents them as weaker allies from an organizational standpoint. 5. Trevelyan Mages, particularly, might have a particularly vested interest in opposing the rebellion, since backstory implies that they had a fair amount of freedom before it began anyway, and may have had no qualms with life at the Circle.They refused the mage Inquisitor's offer, roughly enough. Why would s/he beg the Templars for their help after this? 5. That's disgusting.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 6, 2018 23:44:09 GMT
Pssst, someone please give me all the reasons a mage (Circle/Dalish/qunari merc) would go to the templars instead of the mages Off the top of my head? 1. A Mage can already do magic. Templars would provide an effective supplement to that. 2. Cullen says Templars would work, and has actual experience nullifying magic. He would know better than anyone else. 3. Depending on how far you get into Redcliffe, you know that the rebels are clearly planning something, possibly even that they're planning to kill the Herald. Having the Templars on your side when they try could be helpful. 4. In a twisted sort of way, the fact that the Templars shrug the Inquisition off while the Mages come asking for an alliance (only to jump into bed with whoever came first, namely Alexius) presents them as weaker allies from an organizational standpoint. 5. Trevelyan Mages, particularly, might have a particularly vested interest in opposing the rebellion, since backstory implies that they had a fair amount of freedom before it began anyway, and may have had no qualms with life at the Circle. Nice, thank you! I'm thinking of having my mage Adaar go and conscript the Templars. She's for mage freedom but 1) she needs someone to seal the Breach now, 2) she's a pragmatist and would rather have a disciplined army than unreliable rebels, 3) she's playing the long game and disbanding the Templars is advantageous to her. Mostly though I'm just trying to find reasons for my metagaming lolol. I like Calpernia and I think Cole's intro is better with CotJ. Off the top of my head? 1. A Mage can already do magic. Templars would provide an effective supplement to that. 2. Cullen says Templars would work, and has actual experience nullifying magic. He would know better than anyone else. 3. Depending on how far you get into Redcliffe, you know that the rebels are clearly planning something, possibly even that they're planning to kill the Herald. Having the Templars on your side when they try could be helpful. 4. In a twisted sort of way, the fact that the Templars shrug the Inquisition off while the Mages come asking for an alliance (only to jump into bed with whoever came first, namely Alexius) presents them as weaker allies from an organizational standpoint. 5. Trevelyan Mages, particularly, might have a particularly vested interest in opposing the rebellion, since backstory implies that they had a fair amount of freedom before it began anyway, and may have had no qualms with life at the Circle.They refused the mage Inquisitor's offer, roughly enough. Why would s/he beg the Templars for their help after this? 5. That's disgusting. I don't think it's disgusting - my first thought for a mage that'd side with the Templars was a devout Andrastian who believed in order above all else. And if they have lots of family in the Templars/Chantry, that's another reason to turn to the Templars first. Not to mention just believing they're a better option for sealing the Breach.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 7, 2018 0:19:36 GMT
My mage qunari went with the Templars because he was Andrastian (long story) and would honestly have turned himself in at a Circle long ago if he hadn't been worried about being the only tall horned giant person there. As a lifelong apostate, he thought that the Circle mages didn't realise how good they had it and should never have rebelled. He certainly didn't want to team up with the rebels.
(I mean, I don't agree with this character about any of that, but it was the way he felt about the situation, based on his personal experiences. His whole life was shaped by the fact that most people were scared of him either because he was a horned giant or because he could throw lightning out of his hands, and he'd have given a lot for a place where nobody was frightened of what he was or what he could do.)
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Post by Catilina on Feb 7, 2018 0:21:17 GMT
Off the top of my head? 1. A Mage can already do magic. Templars would provide an effective supplement to that. 2. Cullen says Templars would work, and has actual experience nullifying magic. He would know better than anyone else. 3. Depending on how far you get into Redcliffe, you know that the rebels are clearly planning something, possibly even that they're planning to kill the Herald. Having the Templars on your side when they try could be helpful. 4. In a twisted sort of way, the fact that the Templars shrug the Inquisition off while the Mages come asking for an alliance (only to jump into bed with whoever came first, namely Alexius) presents them as weaker allies from an organizational standpoint. 5. Trevelyan Mages, particularly, might have a particularly vested interest in opposing the rebellion, since backstory implies that they had a fair amount of freedom before it began anyway, and may have had no qualms with life at the Circle. Nice, thank you! I'm thinking of having my mage Adaar go and conscript the Templars. She's for mage freedom but 1) she needs someone to seal the Breach now, 2) she's a pragmatist and would rather have a disciplined army than unreliable rebels, 3) she's playing the long game and disbanding the Templars is advantageous to her. Mostly though I'm just trying to find reasons for my metagaming lolol. I like Calpernia and I think Cole's intro is better with CotJ. They refused the mage Inquisitor's offer, roughly enough. Why would s/he beg the Templars for their help after this? 5. That's disgusting. I don't think it's disgusting - my first thought for a mage that'd side with the Templars was a devout Andrastian who believed in order above all else. And if they have lots of family in the Templars/Chantry, that's another reason to turn to the Templars first. Not to mention just believing they're a better option for sealing the Breach. Eh, of course, you're right, I understand your reasons. I also would love to see the Templar quest. And I'm very envy to everyone who able to play from many viewpoints. But when I'm at the choice, I just see, that Lord Seeker Demon just very arrogant, and seems the Templars just follow him, seems doesn't interest in the demon hunting, rather want to deal with themselves. Seems, they're totally untrustable. While Fiona offers the Mages help. And I just can't imagine, a mage, who go for the Templars. I don't think this would be comfortable. The Templars watching everywhere and always in the Circle, there's no privacy. I can't imagine a mage, who would be okay with it. And why would a mage believe, that the Templars better? A mage knows, that the Templars have some abilities, but even knows, s/he also. But there's a reason I can imagine: a Circle Mage, who want to command the Templars (disband), and too angry at the rebels because they were too lame. So: s/he want to achieve the freedom with his/her tools. But to desire to command the Templars over to help to his/her people, just seems petty. And a mage doesn't have a family from the point when the Circle become his/her prison. If would have, then s/he would live with them.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 7, 2018 0:39:32 GMT
My mage qunari went with the Templars because he was Andrastian (long story) and would honestly have turned himself in at a Circle long ago if he hadn't been worried about being the only tall horned giant person there. As a lifelong apostate, he thought that the Circle mages didn't realise how good they had it and should never have rebelled. He certainly didn't want to team up with the rebels. (I mean, I don't agree with this character about any of that, but it was the way he felt about the situation, based on his personal experiences. His whole life was shaped by the fact that most people were scared of him either because he was a horned giant or because he could throw lightning out of his hands, and he'd have given a lot for a place where nobody was frightened of what he was or what he could do.) Interesting conception. Weird, but has sense.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 7, 2018 0:54:05 GMT
My mage qunari went with the Templars because he was Andrastian (long story) and would honestly have turned himself in at a Circle long ago if he hadn't been worried about being the only tall horned giant person there. As a lifelong apostate, he thought that the Circle mages didn't realise how good they had it and should never have rebelled. He certainly didn't want to team up with the rebels. (I mean, I don't agree with this character about any of that, but it was the way he felt about the situation, based on his personal experiences. His whole life was shaped by the fact that most people were scared of him either because he was a horned giant or because he could throw lightning out of his hands, and he'd have given a lot for a place where nobody was frightened of what he was or what he could do.) That's a cool idea! Like Bethany.... if she were a giant with horns hahaha. Now that you've said that, that makes a lot of sense. A qunari mage might have been thrown out, rejected by their family and fellow Vashoth, and they might believe that living in a cushy Circle having three square meals a day and a decent education is better than being destitute and hated by everyone. Oooh... the more I think about it, the more I like it. Nice, thank you! I'm thinking of having my mage Adaar go and conscript the Templars. She's for mage freedom but 1) she needs someone to seal the Breach now, 2) she's a pragmatist and would rather have a disciplined army than unreliable rebels, 3) she's playing the long game and disbanding the Templars is advantageous to her. Mostly though I'm just trying to find reasons for my metagaming lolol. I like Calpernia and I think Cole's intro is better with CotJ. I don't think it's disgusting - my first thought for a mage that'd side with the Templars was a devout Andrastian who believed in order above all else. And if they have lots of family in the Templars/Chantry, that's another reason to turn to the Templars first. Not to mention just believing they're a better option for sealing the Breach. Eh, of course, you're right, I understand your reasons. I also would love to see the Templar quest. And I'm very envy to everyone who able to play from many viewpoints. But when I'm at the choice, I just see, that Lord Seeker Demon just very arrogant, and seems the Templars just follow him, seems doesn't interest in the demon hunting, rather want to deal with themselves. Seems, they're totally untrustable. While Fiona offers the Mages help. And I just can't imagine, a mage, who go for the Templars. I don't think this would be comfortable. The Templars watching everywhere and always in the Circle, there's no privacy. I can't imagine a mage, who would be okay with it. And why would a mage believe, that the Templars better? A mage knows, that the Templars have some abilities, but even knows, s/he also. But there's a reason I can imagine: a Circle Mage, who want to command the Templars (disband), and too angry at the rebels because they were too lame. So: s/he want to achieve the freedom with his/her tools. But to desire to command the Templars over to help to his/her people, just seems petty. And a mage doesn't have a family from the point when the Circle become his/her prison. If would have, then s/he would live with them. I understand your reasoning, I think those are all perfectly valid stances to take also. Except that last line about mages not having family. There are some who think positively of the Circles - Wynne, Vivienne - who think of it as more of a boarding school than a prison. I don't think they feel as if they've been disowned by their families, maybe they're actually very close. There are just so many roleplaying options here. Everything from vehemently anti-Circle, anti-Chantry, down with the system to someone who is quite comfortable with the status quo and resents the rebellion for disrupting their life.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 7, 2018 1:38:51 GMT
My mage qunari went with the Templars because he was Andrastian (long story) and would honestly have turned himself in at a Circle long ago if he hadn't been worried about being the only tall horned giant person there. As a lifelong apostate, he thought that the Circle mages didn't realise how good they had it and should never have rebelled. He certainly didn't want to team up with the rebels.
(I mean, I don't agree with this character about any of that, but it was the way he felt about the situation, based on his personal experiences. His whole life was shaped by the fact that most people were scared of him either because he was a horned giant or because he could throw lightning out of his hands, and he'd have given a lot for a place where nobody was frightened of what he was or what he could do.) That's a cool idea! Like Bethany.... if she were a giant with horns hahaha. Now that you've said that, that makes a lot of sense. A qunari mage might have been thrown out, rejected by their family and fellow Vashoth, and they might believe that living in a cushy Circle having three square meals a day and a decent education is better than being destitute and hated by everyone. Oooh... the more I think about it, the more I like it. Eh, of course, you're right, I understand your reasons. I also would love to see the Templar quest. And I'm very envy to everyone who able to play from many viewpoints.
But when I'm at the choice, I just see, that Lord Seeker Demon just very arrogant, and seems the Templars just follow him, seems doesn't interest in the demon hunting, rather want to deal with themselves. Seems, they're totally untrustable. While Fiona offers the Mages help. And I just can't imagine, a mage, who go for the Templars. I don't think this would be comfortable. The Templars watching everywhere and always in the Circle, there's no privacy. I can't imagine a mage, who would be okay with it. And why would a mage believe, that the Templars better? A mage knows, that the Templars have some abilities, but even knows, s/he also.
But there's a reason I can imagine: a Circle Mage, who want to command the Templars (disband), and too angry at the rebels because they were too lame. So: s/he want to achieve the freedom with his/her tools. But to desire to command the Templars over to help to his/her people, just seems petty.
And a mage doesn't have a family from the point when the Circle become his/her prison. If would have, then s/he would live with them. I understand your reasoning, I think those are all perfectly valid stances to take also. Except that last line about mages not having family. There are some who think positively of the Circles - Wynne, Vivienne - who think of it as more of a boarding school than a prison. I don't think they feel as if they've been disowned by their families, maybe they're actually very close. There are just so many roleplaying options here. Everything from vehemently anti-Circle, anti-Chantry, down with the system to someone who is quite comfortable with the status quo and resents the rebellion for disrupting their life. Bethany's different, she welcomes the rebellion – if Hawke doesn't betray her. In this case, she continues to be a martyr, this is just so sad. Wynne comes to the Circle from a nightmare. She was an orphan, in a terrible "family". Vivienne also doesn't remember her family, when the Inquisitor asks her where did she come from, she answers: from the Circle. But the Trevelyan knows, who is s/he. But even knows: s/he's not a Trevelyan anymore. But s/he even knows, what s/he loses, I can't imagine a wo/man with this background would insist to the prison. The freedom means to him/her: s/he can fight for his heritage or build a new family. S/he's not a Wynne or a Vivienne. Wynne never thought this is a boarding school, and Vivienne also a bitter when the Inquisitor mentions the Templars... So: no one thinks, that the Circle's a boarding school. The Circle's a prison. Just some prisoners can't imagine the freedom, or clever and hypocrite enough to avoid and later accept it and force that to the others. Vivienne achieved her goal. Yes. She doesn't want to be closed but still insists to this prison – to everyone else. Did she lose anything with that rebellion? No. The rebellion also brought her better position.If the rebellion doesn't happen, Vivienne still just a court jester enchanter. With the rebellion, Vivienne, as a free mage, who has a background in the court is a candidate for the highest political and religious position. But not everyone's a Vivienne. And we know: there are some luxury slaves, who live in luxury circumstances and achieve high, influential position, but this does not mean the slavery's acceptable. May the Circles' better than the slavery, but still unacceptable, until the abuses, rapes, tranquillity etc exists, and the mages can't live in the family. What acceptable is that system, where the children automatically become the Chantry's property (Wynne's son, Rhys, who became "good" mage, of course...) So: while I can see Wynne's (very sad) position, I never agreed with his arguments. I also can see Vivienne's at first sad, later hypocrite and cynical position, I can't see, why this system would be acceptable. Can be comfortable, yes, as for a slave, whom Dorian spoke: who sell him/herself, and gains respect, and support his/her family, and live better, than a peasant or an elf in the alienage. Perhaps, a slave in a good position would able to fight against his own people, because sees, his position even better than many others. And this is very sad.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 7, 2018 1:49:02 GMT
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree, Catilina. I wouldn't want to live in the Circle and I'm glad to see a world where mages have more freedoms (I always go for Divine Leliana), but there are absolutely some characters that preferred their lives in the Circle and resent the rebellion for taking away the life they knew. They don't have Stockholm syndrome. You don't have to agree with their position to acknowledge that they exist.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 7, 2018 1:50:59 GMT
They can't take away the demons, when they are inside the mortal world, and embodied. At the moment they're not only dreams, I guess, but perhaps I'm wrong. But also the mages have anto-magic spells, and you can deny that, but Cassandra, a Seeker also suggest the Mages at first. And a Trevelyan/Dalish mage know, for what they able. I don't deny, the Templars can be useful, but not better than the mages, and they don't want to help at the moment. A.) The mages have no desire to help. We see it when we talk to them. B.) The templars, actually, do want to help. It is their leader, Lord Seeker Lucius, who does not. C.) Templars are trained to fight demons in the mortal world: Iron Bull also discusses it when you talk to him about Cullen, who remarks that he fights as if fighting demons, specifically. D.) Cassandra made her statement, true. That doesn't mean they are the most effective solution to the problem. Not to mention she tends to have some sympathies towards them given her history with Regallien. Plus, she's perfectly okay with the templars should you make that choice. They do. Fiona offered their help, but Alexius tricked them later. You only can see, when they followed that dickhead, whose dog punch a Chantry Mother. So: they don't show any willingness to cooperate to fighting against the demons. Not better than mages, still. Yes. Cassandra suggests the mages, and she's a Seeker, she knows the Templars too. Of course, she totally okay with the Templars too. Just as Cullen later totally okay with the mages too...
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Post by Catilina on Feb 7, 2018 2:04:53 GMT
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree, Catilina. I wouldn't want to live in the Circle and I'm glad to see a world where mages have more freedoms (I always go for Divine Leliana), but there are absolutely some characters that preferred their lives in the Circle and resent the rebellion for taking away the life they knew. They don't have Stockholm syndrome. You don't have to agree with their position to acknowledge that they exist. Of course! Agree to disagree (not in everything...). Sorry if I was too vehement!
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 7, 2018 2:11:18 GMT
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree, Catilina. I wouldn't want to live in the Circle and I'm glad to see a world where mages have more freedoms (I always go for Divine Leliana), but there are absolutely some characters that preferred their lives in the Circle and resent the rebellion for taking away the life they knew. They don't have Stockholm syndrome. You don't have to agree with their position to acknowledge that they exist. Of course! Agree to disagree (not in everything...). Sorry if I was too vehement! No worries, not too vehement at all! I just didn't think we were going to get anywhere.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 7, 2018 3:46:56 GMT
That's a cool idea! Like Bethany.... if she were a giant with horns hahaha. If Bethany were a giant with horns and also a gay dude who romanced Dorian, she would absolutely be Talan Adaar . It's a shame there's no way they could sit down and have tea together. (That world state's Hawke is a mage, so.) Yeah, I feel like mage Adaar has a lot more potential reasons to feel resentful about being an apostate than mage Lavellan. Lavellan has a clan structure around them and is only an apostate according to a human social structure they're not really part of anyway, whereas a Vashoth isn't necessarily going to have that kind of support. Doesn't mean they have to feel bad about it - maybe they embrace the freedom and feel bad for the mages stuck in the Circle! But it certainly gives a basis for those reactions if you want to play it that way.
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Post by CosmicGnosis on Feb 7, 2018 4:12:07 GMT
Here's kind of a random question, but it's still related to my role-playing concerns: What do you all think about taking the Blood Mage specialization in DAO and DAII? I know it doesn't really mean anything for the story, but these days it's getting harder for me to choose it. It's hard to rationalize how my characters could use blood magic and somehow not suffer any consequences for it.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 7, 2018 4:32:35 GMT
Here's kind of a random question, but it's still related to my role-playing concerns: What do you all think about taking the Blood Mage specialization in DAO and DAII? I know it doesn't really mean anything for the story, but these days it's getting harder for me to choose it. It's hard to rationalize how my characters could use blood magic and somehow not suffer any consequences for it. I don't like to use it in DA2 for roleplaying reasons. Hawke's attitude towards blood magic in DAI, how Malcolm raised his kids to feel about blood magic, romancing Fenris, and I like the idea that Hawke is the "normal" responsible mage in a sea of blood mages and abominations. No such problems in DAO. I had an angry anti-Circle Surana who used Jowan's incompetence to hide her own use of blood magic. The only consequences she really suffered were physical (for.... obvious reasons). But I don't think she earned the trust of a whole lot of people.... she drank Avernus's potion, sacrificed Isolde....
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Post by Catilina on Feb 7, 2018 9:02:50 GMT
Here's kind of a random question, but it's still related to my role-playing concerns: What do you all think about taking the Blood Mage specialization in DAO and DAII? I know it doesn't really mean anything for the story, but these days it's getting harder for me to choose it. It's hard to rationalize how my characters could use blood magic and somehow not suffer any consequences for it. I have blood mage in DAO and DAI as well. DAO: for a practical reason. The Grey Wardens use blood magic. It can be useful to know. (And every little apprentice knew it in the Calenhad Tower –probably except Wynne and Anders– my Amell among them. No problem with the blood magic, if anyone can use well.) DA2: a self-righteous Hawke, against Malcolm will. My two blood mage: A practical guy, who knows, the blood magic the best tool against the Templars. it just a tool, nothing else: dangerous but effective, to using that, nothing about morality, only self-defence (he use it with limits). Not an angry guy, but sarcastic. Knows, he can count only on himself. He only once dealt with a demon, he don't need anymore – it better to keep a distance. A stubborn, proud guy, with own law, who prepared to fight, because hates to hiding, to lower his head, and to retreat without a word, and knows, the only really effective magic school against his enemies. He doesn't want to kill Templars, but not really against to kill them if they beg for it. He also thinks that the blood magic isn't some moral question: in war everything is fair. Until the Templars hunting for him, he can use every tool to defend Bethany and himself. And to trick demons a dangerous play (This later changed, after, that he forced to fight against Justice in the Fade, because wanted to play with the sloth demon – at this moment he decided, he will not flirt with demons – at least if Anders there. He attracted to Dumat's altar, but when he look at Anders and fenris, he changed his mind, and destroyed the altar.) Aggressive Hawke. In DAI: they see, how idiot is the others. Of course, the blood magic not for everyone. They both have their moral limits and condemn if anyone doesn't. The human sacrifice and using people as a puppet isn't that they can accept: so their anger is justified.
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Post by phoray on Feb 7, 2018 17:13:22 GMT
In DAI: they see, how idiot is the others. Of course, the blood magic not for everyone. They both have their moral limits and condemn if anyone doesn't. The human sacrifice and using people as a puppet isn't that they can accept: so their anger is justified. how do your roleplay a blood mage in dai when there is nothing in the underwhelming magic skill trees that comes anywhere close?
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Post by Catilina on Feb 7, 2018 17:21:23 GMT
In DAI: they see, how idiot is the others. Of course, the blood magic not for everyone. They both have their moral limits and condemn if anyone doesn't. The human sacrifice and using people as a puppet isn't that they can accept: so their anger is justified. how do your roleplay a blood mage in dai when there is nothing in the underwhelming magic skill trees that comes anywhere close? Hawke in DAI. (But ofc, I'm sure, some of my mages (especially the Trevelyans) know the blood magic well, but in the Inquisition, they doesn't use it.)
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