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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 13, 2018 10:39:22 GMT
For the record, I did not attack anyone who didn't attack me first. Except you did, though. You essentially called sjsharp2010 and me idiots for simply stating that we were fine with the Inquisitor and Ryder. You made aggressive and belittling posts for no reason whatsoever. Yeah, well the handful of die hard fans on the bsn dont really matter, now do they? Im sure you feel just fine and dandy in your echo chamber of mediocrity, but BW follows the money. If you dont know what I'm talking about... you'll learn the hard way. Oh, you felt connected to your Ryder on the worst implementation of thr Mass Effect franchise? Good for you. The problem with that is, your one opinion doesnt matter when the rest of the fan base hated the game so much that it single handedly killed the entire franchise. You fan bois need to learn your blind love of these games doesnt do them any favors. Hold developers accountable or lose your games. BioWare could be the next Visceral very easily.
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Post by griffith82 on Feb 13, 2018 16:31:50 GMT
For the record, I did not attack anyone who didn't attack me first. Except you did, though. You essentially called sjsharp2010 and me idiots for simply stating that we were fine with the Inquisitor and Ryder. You made aggressive and belittling posts for no reason whatsoever. Yeah, well the handful of die hard fans on the bsn dont really matter, now do they? Im sure you feel just fine and dandy in your echo chamber of mediocrity, but BW follows the money. If you dont know what I'm talking about... you'll learn the hard way. Oh, you felt connected to your Ryder on the worst implementation of thr Mass Effect franchise? Good for you. The problem with that is, your one opinion doesnt matter when the rest of the fan base hated the game so much that it single handedly killed the entire franchise. You fan bois need to learn your blind love of these games doesnt do them any favors. Hold developers accountable or lose your games. BioWare could be the next Visceral very easily. Yup. And neither of you “attacked” first. You simply stated your opinion.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 13, 2018 17:50:29 GMT
Except you did, though. You essentially called sjsharp2010 and me idiots for simply stating that we were fine with the Inquisitor and Ryder. You made aggressive and belittling posts for no reason whatsoever. Yup. And neither of you “attacked” first. You simply stated your opinion. Yeah we simply just stated our opinion on the topic it was him to decided to get all aggressive over it.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 13, 2018 20:52:59 GMT
Someone in upper level management of DAI/Bioware explained way back in 2014-2015 that the Frostbite move was never forced upon them from EA. The decision to make the move was all Bioware. For my own part I have never noticed how Frostbite supposedly hampers the rpgness of DAI or MEA. So..
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 13, 2018 21:39:42 GMT
Someone in upper level management of DAI/Bioware explained way back in 2014-2015 that the Frostbite move was never forced upon them from EA. The decision to make the move was all Bioware. For my own part I have never noticed how Frostbite supposedly hampers the rpgness of DAI or MEA. So.. It was more a development issue in the sense that Frostbite 3, a first-person shooter engine, was not designed for the type of RPGs that BioWare makes so they had to create a a lot of their assets from scratch for DAI and MEA that were not initially inherent in Frostbite. Whenever I read insider info into the reasons for frustrations and delays, working with the Frostbite engine has been mentioned as one of the main culprits.
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Post by dazk on Feb 13, 2018 21:50:04 GMT
Well I think it is probably a reach to say that "the rest of the fan base hated the game so much" implying sjssharp2010 is the only one with a positive opinion. There are many on this board that enjoy the game, faults and all including myself. That doesn't make us deluded fan boys it just means we enjoy a game you don't and that's OK. I don't care if you don't like it, I am not sure why you care that others do, saying it killed the franchise is unknowable until Bioware/EA make that statement, until then it is speculation. Yes, clearly one of the best games of all time... How is your reply relevant to my post?
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 14, 2018 1:02:18 GMT
Someone in upper level management of DAI/Bioware explained way back in 2014-2015 that the Frostbite move was never forced upon them from EA. The decision to make the move was all Bioware. For my own part I have never noticed how Frostbite supposedly hampers the rpgness of DAI or MEA. So.. It was more a development issue in the sense that Frostbite 3, a first-person shooter engine, was not designed for the type of RPGs that BioWare makes so they had to create a a lot of their assets from scratch for DAI and MEA that were not initially inherent in Frostbite. Whenever I read insider info into the reasons for frustrations and delays, working with the Frostbite engine has been mentioned as one of the main culprits. Sure, but still they had to move to something new and the choice was made by Bioware. There is no way to know how much hassle they would have had from some other "engine". CDPR didn't really have easy sailing with their Red engine either. In the end of the day no Redkit for TW3.
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Post by phoray on Feb 14, 2018 1:32:39 GMT
Whenever I read insider info into the reasons for frustrations and delays, working with the Frostbite engine has been mentioned as one of the main culprits. Sure, but still they had to move to something new and the choice was made by Bioware. But they had to move to SOMETHING that looked better than DAO and DA2 to stay competitive when it seems like half the gamers I talk to want super realistic high resolution pretty things to move around in and take screen shots of. I liked DAO's grittiness myself, but people have come on here and mentioned how bad it looks this many years later. And I've heard about as many people say DA2 was cartoon-y. I'm glad it was made by Bioware to change engines, although I think their choice list was limited by EA. It can't be coincidence that all the other branches of EA use the same engine?
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 14, 2018 2:56:03 GMT
It was more a development issue in the sense that Frostbite 3, a first-person shooter engine, was not designed for the type of RPGs that BioWare makes so they had to create a a lot of their assets from scratch for DAI and MEA that were not initially inherent in Frostbite. Whenever I read insider info into the reasons for frustrations and delays, working with the Frostbite engine has been mentioned as one of the main culprits. Sure, but still they had to move to something new and the choice was made by Bioware. There is no way to know how much hassle they would have had from some other "engine". CDPR didn't really have easy sailing with their Red engine either. In the end of the day no Redkit for TW3. Actually, EA wanted all their games to run on the Frostbite engine, regardless of genre...so Battlefield, FIFA, Madden, DAI, MEA, etc all are on Frostbite BioWare saying they "wanted" to go to Frostbite, in all its non-RPG-ness, is some solid PR on their part. With EA publishing the games, not sure they had much say in it honestly
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Post by phoray on Feb 14, 2018 4:33:18 GMT
BioWare saying they "wanted" to go to Frostbite, in all its non-RPG-ness, is some solid PR on their part. With EA publishing the games, not sure they had much say in it honestly AS a middle ground option, it may have been a decision about reusing the engine they used for DA2 OR switching to Frostbite. So it was their decision as of DAI which to use, but it was between the two.
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 14, 2018 5:56:38 GMT
BioWare saying they "wanted" to go to Frostbite, in all its non-RPG-ness, is some solid PR on their part. With EA publishing the games, not sure they had much say in it honestly AS a middle ground option, it may have been a decision about reusing the engine they used for DA2 OR switching to Frostbite. So it was their decision as of DAI which to use, but it was between the two. Yeah, they used the Eclipse Engine in Origins and DA2 so that was not really going to support next gen games in that state. Unfortunately, Frostbite is not an RPG engine so adjustments over some years were necessary. They were trying to do the "Exalted March" expansion for DA2 on the Eclipse before they scrapped it in favor of taking more time with DAI and Frostbite.
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 14, 2018 8:03:45 GMT
Whenever I read insider info into the reasons for frustrations and delays, working with the Frostbite engine has been mentioned as one of the main culprits. Sure, but still they had to move to something new and the choice was made by Bioware. But they had to move to SOMETHING that looked better than DAO and DA2 to stay competitive when it seems like half the gamers I talk to want super realistic high resolution pretty things to move around in and take screen shots of. I liked DAO's grittiness myself, but people have come on here and mentioned how bad it looks this many years later. And I've heard about as many people say DA2 was cartoon-y. I'm glad it was made by Bioware to change engines, although I think their choice list was limited by EA. It can't be coincidence that all the other branches of EA use the same engine? All other branches don't work on the Frostbite engine. The Sims 4 used a different engine compared to it's previous entries and they weren't forced to use Frostbite. And I think it came out in 2014 too? I mean there are quite a few benefits of using the Frostbite engine, such as having full access to the people developing it, it's wouldn't be that unusual for BioWare to choose to use it on their own.
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 14, 2018 23:29:53 GMT
But they had to move to SOMETHING that looked better than DAO and DA2 to stay competitive when it seems like half the gamers I talk to want super realistic high resolution pretty things to move around in and take screen shots of. I liked DAO's grittiness myself, but people have come on here and mentioned how bad it looks this many years later. And I've heard about as many people say DA2 was cartoon-y. I'm glad it was made by Bioware to change engines, although I think their choice list was limited by EA. It can't be coincidence that all the other branches of EA use the same engine? All other branches don't work on the Frostbite engine. The Sims 4 used a different engine compared to it's previous entries and they weren't forced to use Frostbite. And I think it came out in 2014 too? I mean there are quite a few benefits of using the Frostbite engine, such as having full access to the people developing it, it's wouldn't be that unusual for BioWare to choose to use it on their own. Madden went from the Ignite Engine for Madden 2017 to Frostbite for Madden 2018...FIFA as well from Ignite from FIFA 2016 to FIFA 2017...Mirror's Edge was on Unreal 3 engine then went to Frostbite for Mirror's Edge Catalyst...Mass Effect also went from Unreal 3 for the trilogy and now on Frostbite...Dragon Age went from Eclipse to Frostbite...Anthem will be on Frostbite....Medal of Honor moved from Unreal to Frostbite...Army of Two moved from Unreal to Frostbite...UFC and NHL are still on Ignite for the latest entries but rumor is they will be moving to Frostbite as well. So, that's BioWare, PopCap, DICE, Criterion, Motive, Ghost Games, and EA Sports all on Frostbite 3. Maxis seems to be the exception so far. I'm sure it's cost effective for EA to move game it can to the same engine. It will be interesting to see if Respawn's new Star Wars and Titanfall entries respectively will feature Frostbite or if they will stick Valve's Source Engine like it did for Titanfall 1 and 2.
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 14, 2018 23:37:56 GMT
All other branches don't work on the Frostbite engine. The Sims 4 used a different engine compared to it's previous entries and they weren't forced to use Frostbite. And I think it came out in 2014 too? I mean there are quite a few benefits of using the Frostbite engine, such as having full access to the people developing it, it's wouldn't be that unusual for BioWare to choose to use it on their own. Madden went from the Ignite Engine for Madden 2017 to Frostbite for Madden 2018...FIFA as well from Ignite from FIFA 2016 to FIFA 2017...Mirror's Edge was on Unreal 3 engine then went to Frostbite for Mirror's Edge Catalyst...Mass Effect also went from Unreal 3 for the trilogy and now on Frostbite...Dragon Age went from Eclipse to Frostbite...Anthem will be on Frostbite....Medal of Honor moved from Unreal to Frostbite...Army of Two moved from Unreal to Frostbite...UFC and NHL are still on Ignite for the latest entries but rumor is they will be moving to Frostbite as well. So, that's BioWare, PopCap, DICE, Criterion, Motive, Ghost Games, and EA Sports all on Frostbite 3. Maxis seems to be the exception so far. I'm sure it's cost effective for EA to move game it can to the same engine. It will be interesting to see if Respawn's new Star Wars and Titanfall entries respectively will feature Frostbite or if they will stick Valve's Source Engine like it did for Titanfall 1 and 2. Like I said there's a lot of benefits to using Frostbite, it's just as numerous people in this thread and other places have said (like for example Ask a Game Dev and in Jason Schrier's book), EA doesn't force them to use Frostbite, that's their choice. I can think one or two major reasons for The Sims team like lack of mod support and the fact the Sims uses lower end computers, which is likely why they choose not to use Frostbite - I'll note that they are also in one of the most expensive studios EA owns as they are in Redwood, the same place Visceral was so if EA forced anyone to try and use an in house engine to save money, it would be them. BioWare weren't forced to choose Frostbyte.
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Post by bshep on Feb 15, 2018 23:27:35 GMT
Considering this engine was made for FPS games i would say Bioware did a stellar job turning it into someting usable in third person action packed games that are both dialogue/cutscene heavy and full of rpg elements. Damn i think they are Miles Away ( ) from the okay-ish job DICE did with the same engine in SW Battlefront.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 16, 2018 0:45:31 GMT
I’m going to jump in here and say one thing. Nomad there is nothing wrong with debating valid points, and different opinions are healthy. However you have done nothing but pick apart people’s opinions and trash anyone who disagree with you and that is not ok. If you cannot have civil discussions then just don’t bother. For the record, I did not attack anyone who didn't attack me first. People seem to think it's ok to attack others with dissenting opinions, but when they come back and do it to you it's not? If you want to open that door, you better be prepared for where it leads. Dont expect someone to be meek after you attempt to belittle them. Join the club. They will attack anyone who expresses their own opinions that doesn't suit them.
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Post by phoray on Feb 16, 2018 2:55:16 GMT
Just trolls, cloud.
Although I call people on personal attacks all the time. It's ok to tell a troll a troll though, that's not an insult, it's just a fact.
This isn't even a Hate thread though.
Why don't you start a new hate thread?
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 18, 2018 17:07:12 GMT
Honestly, I'm of the opinion that Frostbite SUCKS for open world RPGs. That may be because BW doesn't know how to build them properly, or it might be the engine itself. But the fact remains is that we haven't seen a good RPG built on Frostbite. It was built for FPS games, and it does a good job with that. The best parts of Andromeda was the fast paced combat, and Frostbite really let them play around with that... But it really makes the player feel disconnected from their character, which is a deathblow for RPG games... PLus no one can mod FRostbite very well... which is another major annoyance. This is what happens if video game developers sold themselves to EA.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 18, 2018 17:09:41 GMT
Just trolls, cloud. Although I call people on personal attacks all the time. It's ok to tell a troll a troll though, that's not an insult, it's just a fact. This isn't even a Hate thread though. Why don't you start a new hate thread? Don't come for me unless I call you.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 18, 2018 17:27:31 GMT
Does saying that ever work?
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