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Post by ahglock on Mar 19, 2019 5:09:59 GMT
I’m a skeptic but I don’t see the issue there. Fun frequently is divorced from objective measures. Is commando a technically good movie, probably not. But it’s the greatest movie of all time.
Hm... Players who experience no fun and grinding frustration drop out and go elsewhere (ie: = D2). This game has too many frustrations and therefore anti Bio goal of keeping gamers playing for the next 10 years.
Simple questions. Why do people play? Does Anthem (exclude the fanboys) provide that escape fun? What's frustrating about the game?
Sure. I guess the objective measure that matters is number of people having enough fun to stick in the game. My point was more for the individual. For individual X if they are having fun objective details like loading times might be a issue but not enough of one to stop their fun. The so called anthem defense brigade, that is their argument. I'm having fun. Why because having fun is the point of a game. The point of the game isn't leveling or progression being perfect or just being good, its just fun and having more fun. Their argument is perfectly persuasive on those merits because having fun is what gaming is about, its not persuasive as its just a personal experience and its hard to know how many other people have a similar opinion. Though those twitch numbers may indicate they are rare in liking the game, but as I don't follow twitch I don;t really know how valuable of a metric it is.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 19, 2019 8:17:41 GMT
Oh, boy, the new Reddit (conspiracy) loot theory suggests that loot quality may be influenced by the average gear score of your group... The lower geared people bring less Legendaries and MW drops for everyone in the group...
Bye bye crappy geared friends, get away from me! Not carrying you anymore! Call me when you are closer to 750 rating! Anything below 720 is cancer now!
If it's true, people will start leaving at the start of runs if even one teammate has low gear score.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 19, 2019 13:26:55 GMT
I’m a skeptic but I don’t see the issue there. Fun frequently is divorced from objective measures. Is commando a technically good movie, probably not. But it’s the greatest movie of all time.
Hm... Players who experience no fun and grinding frustration drop out and go elsewhere (ie: = D2). This game has too many frustrations and therefore anti Bio goal of keeping gamers playing for the next 10 years.
Simple questions. Why do people play? Does Anthem (exclude the fanboys) provide that escape fun? What's frustrating about the game?
If the Bartle test was any measure for figuring out why players play a game that answer is likely diverse. The problem then arises; how do we measure individual subjectivity?
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Post by cankiie on Mar 19, 2019 13:30:58 GMT
Hm... Players who experience no fun and grinding frustration drop out and go elsewhere (ie: = D2). This game has too many frustrations and therefore anti Bio goal of keeping gamers playing for the next 10 years.
Simple questions. Why do people play? Does Anthem (exclude the fanboys) provide that escape fun? What's frustrating about the game?
Sure. I guess the objective measure that matters is number of people having enough fun to stick in the game. My point was more for the individual. For individual X if they are having fun objective details like loading times might be a issue but not enough of one to stop their fun. The so called anthem defense brigade, that is their argument. I'm having fun. Why because having fun is the point of a game. The point of the game isn't leveling or progression being perfect or just being good, its just fun and having more fun. Their argument is perfectly persuasive on those merits because having fun is what gaming is about, its not persuasive as its just a personal experience and its hard to know how many other people have a similar opinion. Though those twitch numbers may indicate they are rare in liking the game, but as I don't follow twitch I don;t really know how valuable of a metric it is. Indeed, there will always be those weird guys who like objectively-bad games regardless. I mean. There are still people playing Fallout 76... for some weird reason.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 19, 2019 14:43:37 GMT
Oh, boy, the new Reddit (conspiracy) loot theory suggests that loot quality may be influenced by the average gear score of your group... The lower geared people bring less Legendaries and MW drops for everyone in the group... Bye bye crappy geared friends, get away from me! Not carrying you anymore! Call me when you are closer to 750 rating! Anything below 720 is cancer now! If it's true, people will start leaving at the start of runs if even one teammate has low gear score. Here's how the rest of that conversation unfolded Dev: actually drop quality is not based on gear score Players: did you actually test that? Dev: we ran simulations based on the logic we coded for drops Players: ok but did you actually test the game? Dev: we looked at telemetry, Working As Intended (TM) Lolololololol
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 19, 2019 21:25:02 GMT
absolute certainty that they closed the forum because they knew that Andromeda was the mess it was. Do the dates actually work for that?
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 19, 2019 21:26:08 GMT
Oh, boy, the new Reddit (conspiracy) loot theory suggests that loot quality may be influenced by the average gear score of your group... The lower geared people bring less Legendaries and MW drops for everyone in the group... Bye bye crappy geared friends, get away from me! Not carrying you anymore! Call me when you are closer to 750 rating! Anything below 720 is cancer now! If it's true, people will start leaving at the start of runs if even one teammate has low gear score. Here's how the rest of that conversation unfolded Dev: actually drop quality is not based on gear score Players: did you actually test that? Dev: we ran simulations based on the logic we coded for drops Players: ok but did you actually test the game? Dev: we looked at telemetry, Working As Intended (TM) Lolololololol I don't follow. Why wouldn't the telemetry be accurate?
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Post by river82 on Mar 19, 2019 21:27:59 GMT
absolute certainty that they closed the forum because they knew that Andromeda was the mess it was. Do the dates actually work for that? Bioware closed their forums August 26 2016 Andromeda released March 2017
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 20, 2019 0:00:36 GMT
Mass Effect 3 Twitch viewership beating Anthem by 2 to 1. Screenshot taken a moment ago, about 23:50 GMT. Now this does not happen often, but the fact that it ever happened, even if just once, is surprising and shocking to say the least. Interest in Anthem is diving into a new low by the day.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 20, 2019 0:28:34 GMT
Mass Effect 3 Twitch viewership beating Anthem by 2 to 1. Screenshot taken a moment ago, about 23:50 GMT. Now this does not happen often, but the fact that it ever happened, even if just once, is surprising and shocking to say the least. Interest in Anthem is diving into a new low by the day.
Is there a way to see overall twitch numbers for a day, a week etc. As you point out this does not happen often, so a snapshot isn't that reflective it could just be a fluke? Honest? I don't know anything about twitch.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 20, 2019 0:41:40 GMT
Do the dates actually work for that? Bioware closed their forums August 26 2016 Andromeda released March 2017 Hmnn it initial announcement was 6/2015(i assume E3) . I vaguely remember talking about it on a forum, I assume theirs and I was positive and hopeful, finding the premise a relatively good way to avoid the ME3 endings while remaining ME. I think I remember assuming it was a pure refuge story based on the Asari counselors comments after priority Thesia. I didn't even have a problem with space magic engines(though i preferred a wormhole or other space magic phenomena) as I had assumed the timing would be ME3 and not ME2, ME2 timing feels off as how do you not know about this super advancement, especially as the AI isn't portrayed as a super secret project given how every fuckwit in the galaxy heard about it to join. I don't remember the forums being that toxic at that time, the bitching about ME3 endings had died down and people were primarily looking forward toward a new game though there was a die hard contingent of there should be a ME4, the MW is 97% unexplored, there is no way to do it in the lore etc people.
Man as I get older time and years just blend together.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2019 0:47:49 GMT
Well, there's twitchmetrics, which aggregates the publicly posted data.
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Post by river82 on Mar 20, 2019 0:49:26 GMT
Man as I get older time and years just blend together. Days get longer and the years get shorter
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 20, 2019 14:33:47 GMT
Is there a way to see overall twitch numbers for a day, a week etc. As you point out this does not happen often, so a snapshot isn't that reflective it could just be a fluke? Honest? I don't know anything about twitch.
Yep, Twitchtracker keeps Twitch viewers numbers. Now sure how accurate and up-to-date it is (it seems to be third party, not related to Twitch itself), but they are one of the most relevant trackers. A few days ago I posted here that Mass Effect 3 was tied with Anthem in Twitch viewership, which is already shocking as it is, but last night ME3 had twice the Anthem's numbers. This is not common nor expected to happen, since we are comparing a mostly singleplayer game from 7 years ago to a multiplayer-only game from last month. This might happen again, but definitely it is not a common occurrence. Though the point is: it should never have happened. I bet not even the most skeptical skeptic on this thread saw it coming. Mass Effect 3 is an old and dead game that should not be drawing any relevant number of viewers, while Anthem is the biggest release this year by the biggest gaming publisher on the market, so it should be drawing several thousands of viewers. Yet we saw the opposite happening, by a significant disparity. I am not sure Bioware is aware of these numbers, but if they are, I can only imagine how they react to it.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 20, 2019 14:45:00 GMT
Anthem is 653 viewers on Twitch right now. Hoo boy.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 20, 2019 14:49:22 GMT
Anthem is 653 viewers on Twitch right now. Hoo boy. Well, it's the Skepticism thread, so I will say it: So, more viewers than players, eh? 😜
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Post by Kappa Neko on Mar 20, 2019 15:04:57 GMT
Mass Effect 3 is an old and dead game that should not be drawing any relevant number of viewers, while Anthem is the biggest release this year by the biggest gaming publisher on the market, so it should be drawing several thousands of viewers. Yet we saw the opposite happening, by a significant disparity. Well, the multiplayer is not quite dead yet. If it was a pure SP game I would be shocked, but there are a number of hardcore ME3MP players still around who apparently still stream.
I'd like to know what the numbers are for MEAMP. I never played a second of it but I was still playing ME3MP last year... and now that I have better internet again a coworker is egging me about playing with her and her other BSN buddies again.
But ME3MP was lightning in a bottle. They have not been able to recreate it. Whatever telent for enemy and sound design they once had must be gone.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2019 16:03:23 GMT
Or it was dumb luck rather than talent and they had no idea what they were doing and why ME3MP was good?
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 20, 2019 17:01:19 GMT
I'd like to know what the numbers are for MEAMP. I never played a second of it but I was still playing ME3MP last year... and now that I have better internet again a coworker is egging me about playing with her and her other BSN buddies again.
But ME3MP was lightning in a bottle. They have not been able to recreate it. Whatever telent for enemy and sound design they once had must be gone.
Worse than ME3MP, and it has always been like that, because it's an inferior game and people noticed it. I can try to play ME3MP or MEAMP, and I'll have more luck finding players in ME3 every single time. I'm not playing currently (no PC and all that...), but even when I was playing the waiting times were horrendous, to the point you could have a lobby open for hours (not even joking) and no one would join. I played a lot with TermForce the last months, we used to duo a lot because it takes forever for someone to join. North america and Europe have slightly more players than the rest of the world. But yeah, it's pretty bad.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 20, 2019 17:02:56 GMT
Or it was dumb luck rather than talent and they had no idea what they were doing and why ME3MP was good? When you look at MEAMP it definitely feels like that. It's a completely bizarre game mode in comparison.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 20, 2019 17:18:46 GMT
Is there a way to see overall twitch numbers for a day, a week etc. As you point out this does not happen often, so a snapshot isn't that reflective it could just be a fluke? Honest? I don't know anything about twitch.
Yep, Twitchtracker keeps Twitch viewers numbers. Now sure how accurate and up-to-date it is (it seems to be third party, not related to Twitch itself), but they are one of the most relevant trackers. A few days ago I posted here that Mass Effect 3 was tied with Anthem in Twitch viewership, which is already shocking as it is, but last night ME3 had twice the Anthem's numbers. This is not common nor expected to happen, since we are comparing a mostly singleplayer game from 7 years ago to a multiplayer-only game from last month. This might happen again, but definitely it is not a common occurrence. Though the point is: it should never have happened. I bet not even the most skeptical skeptic on this thread saw it coming. Mass Effect 3 is an old and dead game that should not be drawing any relevant number of viewers, while Anthem is the biggest release this year by the biggest gaming publisher on the market, so it should be drawing several thousands of viewers. Yet we saw the opposite happening, by a significant disparity. I am not sure Bioware is aware of these numbers, but if they are, I can only imagine how they react to it. WTF you talking about? ME3MP is still played.
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Post by tatann on Mar 20, 2019 18:47:22 GMT
Yep, Twitchtracker keeps Twitch viewers numbers. Now sure how accurate and up-to-date it is (it seems to be third party, not related to Twitch itself), but they are one of the most relevant trackers. A few days ago I posted here that Mass Effect 3 was tied with Anthem in Twitch viewership, which is already shocking as it is, but last night ME3 had twice the Anthem's numbers. This is not common nor expected to happen, since we are comparing a mostly singleplayer game from 7 years ago to a multiplayer-only game from last month. This might happen again, but definitely it is not a common occurrence. Though the point is: it should never have happened. I bet not even the most skeptical skeptic on this thread saw it coming. Mass Effect 3 is an old and dead game that should not be drawing any relevant number of viewers, while Anthem is the biggest release this year by the biggest gaming publisher on the market, so it should be drawing several thousands of viewers. Yet we saw the opposite happening, by a significant disparity. I am not sure Bioware is aware of these numbers, but if they are, I can only imagine how they react to it. WTF you talking about? ME3MP is still played. Indeed, we were talking about it last week with a friend and decided to reinstall it. We had no problem finding pickups, it was even faster than the last time I tried MEAMP, more than a year ago. The game still is old though, but it looks fine (Unreal Engine), my only complain is about movement which is bad once you've played other TPS
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2019 20:43:19 GMT
I am not sure Bioware is aware of these numbers, but if they are, I can only imagine how they react to it. Well, it's not like Bio doesn't know the activity levels on the servers, Twitch or no Twitch.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 20, 2019 21:08:07 GMT
I am not sure Bioware is aware of these numbers, but if they are, I can only imagine how they react to it. Well, it's not like Bio doesn't know the activity levels on the servers, Twitch or no Twitch. Has twitch become the new measuring stick for success?
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 20, 2019 21:54:37 GMT
WTF you talking about? ME3MP is still played. Absolutely. Just like 1999's Age of Empires II is still played (and was also trading viewers on Twitch with Anthem a few days ago). That is not the point. The point is that ME3 managed (even if just for one night) get twice as many viewers on Twitch compared to EA's latest and greatest release. For a game as old as ME3, and which is not being supported since 2013, that is one major accomplishment (though to a large degree it can also be interpreted as a failure for Anthem).
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