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Post by SirSourpuss on May 30, 2019 12:29:01 GMT
Is this the part where I tell you some celebrity singers have recorded tracks in "simlish"? Yo, let me get home in 5-6 hours so I can edit this with a proper reaction face.
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Post by tatann on May 30, 2019 13:12:42 GMT
sevenI'm not sure what is more mind boggling; that Sims 4 content is still being after all these years or that people buy it. I mean ... wow. Is this the part where I tell you some celebrity singers have recorded tracks in "simlish"? Wait... Are you telling me that, among other terrible things, EA is responsible for the invention of mumble rap ?
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 30, 2019 13:44:14 GMT
Is this the part where I tell you some celebrity singers have recorded tracks in "simlish"? Wait... Are you telling me that, among other terrible things, EA is responsible for the invention of mumble rap ?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 31, 2019 16:02:55 GMT
Cataclysm? More like a light rain or sumffin
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Post by Superhik on May 31, 2019 16:26:33 GMT
I still have no idea how people manage to put this many hours in these games. Doing the same "runs" over and over to get some bloody purple item. So many great games being released every day that are more fun, interesting, creative, or offer some kind of strong emotional/narrative experience.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 31, 2019 16:50:52 GMT
Cataclysm? More like a light rain or sumffin skepticism intensifiesI liked the part where Sam laughed as soon as the words Next Mass Effect came up. That's going to be a project with a bright future. Man, the roasts are going to get ugly. And the game won't even be out yet.
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Post by seven on May 31, 2019 21:25:06 GMT
I still have no idea how people manage to put this many hours in these games. Doing the same "runs" over and over to get some bloody purple item. So many great games being released every day that are more fun, interesting, creative, or offer some kind of strong emotional/narrative experience. Too many purples...its like purple rain Need those limes instead!
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Post by river82 on May 31, 2019 22:23:11 GMT
After the evaluation process was finished, I went to the upper management of the company in our headquarters, and what I told them is, "We are in a critical condition right now. We would either have to, one, completely rebuild this game and build from the ground up or, two, we would continue to update for maybe three more years and shut down the project altogether."
We couldn't be lukewarm; it didn't allow for us to be half-baked. With those two options raised, I also mentioned that if we did close the original Final Fantasy XIV after three years of updating, the trust of the fans would be completely lost.
And the priority, I felt, was that it shouldn't be about the business, but to regain the fans. Rebuilding the game and relaunching it would probably be the only way we could do that. So the company pushed for it as well, and that is how we came to the decision to rebuild the game.From legendary game director Yoshi P www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/215753/understanding_the_successful_.php
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Post by river82 on May 31, 2019 22:36:09 GMT
Why was it important to stay with XIV? I think most studios would have moved on with a new title, and left behind the old title.
NY: First of all, the MMORPG usually requires a very high-spec PC, and with the success of Final Fantasy XI, the expectation for Final Fantasy XIV was really high. There were people who went out and purchased a $2,000 high-end PC and really looked forward to the launch of the original Final Fantasy XIV. With it failing, it was such a big shock and negative impact.
Even if it was a failure -- even if we were to, say, shut down this game within a year and put out the next Final Fantasy game, that would lose the trust, and it would completely disappoint all of our fans. I'm sure there would be a lot of players who would say, "I'm never going to play Final Fantasy again," or "I'm never going to buy a Square Enix game ever again." I, too, am a fan of the Final Fantasy series. I would have said the same thing, too.
In order to regain that trust -- regardless of business or commercial success -- I think it was very important that Square Enix admitted the game did fail, but we want to regain the trust of our fans. It was very important to go back to Final Fantasy XIV and make sure that we fixed the mistakes, and go back and gain the trust that we had lost in the initial failure.
I'm sure that if you compare that with other games, you might think it's a crazy thing to do, but it's definitely important. We felt that Final Fantasy is that important, that we go back to the original game and try to rebuild it. Of course, if it were that important, we shouldn't have failed in the first place, but... Yeah, it was really important for us to build that.
The game has been really successful in its new form. Can you explain why you think that is? As you said, rebuilding it wasn't for a business reason; it was a matter of preserving the series. But it was successful from a business perspective.
NY: I did mention that the business result was not the top priority, and I feel that it all does boil down to making a fun and interesting game to play. Now, in the short two-and-a-half-year development period, I tried to focus as much as possible to just straightforwardly design it to be fun, and let the players know the progress that we were making and be honest about what our situation is.
We performed a significant amount of alpha and beta testing, to let players know that we were on the same page about our progress and how much we're improving. So, of course, our primary focus was to create a fun game and make sure the gamers understand that. I think it all boils down to that. It just so happens that commercially, it was successful.
Do you think this lesson that you've learned through recreating this title has changed something about the way people at Square Enix look at game development, look at dealing with the fans, or even maybe how they look at Final Fantasy?
NY: I definitely think it has changed. I've actually been doing Producer Letters via livestream since around September of 2011. Originally, the Square Enix internal impression of those shows was like, "What's he doing on livestream? He's a developer! If you promise something to players, that means it's a commitment! As a developer, what's he trying to do?"
I do see that, internally, within Square Enix, they've figured out the importance in being in direct contact with the fans, the customers. I'm sure you're seeing, from a PR perspective, that there's been a change among the developers?
And in terms of the different teams, proposing ideas to implement into the games, I'm hearing people say more and more, "This is what the fans want." And also within the development staff they are thinking more about what the fans want.
More from Yoshi P from the same source. There is a reason Yoshi P is a darling of the industry :3 If only certain other developers would learn a few of these lessons ...
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Post by cypherj on May 31, 2019 23:12:25 GMT
As a person who played the original version of FF XIV and the current version. SE went above and beyond after fans started moving from the game, and their response was night and day from Bioware's.
- They came out a said we fucked up. This game is below our standards, below what you expect from us, and we know that we've damaged our reputation with you as well as our brand in general. Very, very candid and real. That went a very long way with players. Bioware has yet to have this come to Jesus moment.
- SE scrapped the current version of the game and rebuilt it based on player feedback and addressed the vast majority of the issues players had. Bioware has yet to address the players biggest issue with the game. They just keep adding more content on top of a bad core instead of replacing the core.
- The communication with fans was constant, they didn't go dark for long periods at a time.
Final Fantasy XIV has an expansion coming out July 2nd. Am I going to play that or come back for a limited time event? It's not even close.
The two cases are basically a do's and don'ts guide of what to do after a bad reception and subpar release.
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Post by saandrig on Jun 1, 2019 8:42:46 GMT
As a person who played the original version of FF XIV and the current version. SE went above and beyond after fans started moving from the game, and their response was night and day from Bioware's. - They came out a said we fucked up. This game is below our standards, below what you expect from us, and we know that we've damaged our reputation with you as well as our brand in general. Very, very candid and real. That went a very long way with players. Bioware has yet to have this come to Jesus moment. - SE scrapped the current version of the game and rebuilt it based on player feedback and addressed the vast majority of the issues players had. Bioware has yet to address the players biggest issue with the game. They just keep adding more content on top of a bad core instead of replacing the core. - The communication with fans was constant, they didn't go dark for long periods at a time. Final Fantasy XIV has an expansion coming out July 2nd. Am I going to play that or come back for a limited time event? It's not even close. The two cases are basically a do's and don'ts guide of what to do after a bad reception and subpar release. I am tempted to finally take a look at FFXIV. I hear only good things about it, but the series as a whole was never my cup of tea. And the one MMO I had lots of fun still remains SWTOR, so I wonder how will I experience FFXIV. For example - is there a point where the game picks up or it's fun from the start? Fun - as in interesting quests, not mundane combat and nice areas to visit. And are healers boring to play? Ranged or melee is better?
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Post by saandrig on Jun 1, 2019 10:29:14 GMT
Shhhh, we don't mention here that Ubisoft makes better looter shooters and now better RPGs than Bioware. We shall not talk that Ubisoft makes better hurricanes as well.
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Post by lennybusker on Jun 1, 2019 13:16:30 GMT
Was just coming in here to post that reddit thread lol.
So what's the next cynical, pessimistic prediction about this game we can make that will absolutely be 100% correct?
I think it's time to start placing bets on the game going into maintenance mode a la Andromeda. Should take over/under bets? The line set at Jan 2020 perhaps?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 1, 2019 13:31:20 GMT
That ranged from disheartening to soul crushing to watch.
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Post by rxd on Jun 1, 2019 13:31:53 GMT
Was just coming in here to post that reddit thread lol. So what's the next cynical, pessimistic prediction about this game we can make that will absolutely be 100% correct? I think it's time to start placing bets on the game going into maintenance mode a la Andromeda. Should take over/under bets? The line set at Jan 2020 perhaps? I think you are too optimistic. My bet would be October 2019...
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Post by Superhik on Jun 1, 2019 14:54:14 GMT
Seeing this..."cataclysm" ( bloody hell, I take my dogs out for a walk on a worse weather) pisses me off for not giving Montreal another shot with DLC/Andromeda.
Only thing that's keeping Anthem alive is abandoning the project would look really bad for any future EA's "GaS" title.
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Post by tatann on Jun 1, 2019 15:07:47 GMT
Seeing this..."cataclysm" ( bloody hell, I take my dogs out for a walk on a worse weather) pisses me off for not giving Montreal another shot with DLC/Andromeda.
Only thing that's keeping Anthem alive is abandoning the project would look really bad for any future EA's "GaS" title.
I love how you spell GaaS, totally appropriate in that case, Anthem is just a fart They've been constipated for 5 years, then they rushed to the toilet, and only a fart came out. I know the feeling (from a digestive point of view), and it's not a good one
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Post by goishen on Jun 1, 2019 17:06:41 GMT
Cataclysm? More like a light rain or sumffin skepticism intensifiesI liked the part where Sam laughed as soon as the words Next Mass Effect came up. That's going to be a project with a bright future. Man, the roasts are going to get ugly. And the game won't even be out yet. Dude, if they keep on the same track that they're currently on, they're going to become the special one out of the group. And I don't mean special as in, "you're unique and different in a good way". I mean, they already were making a statement about social justice, what with the Asari already doing just about everything first. Women finding the Citadel? Check. Women establishing the council? Check. Women being the most influential and respected race in the galaxy? Check. Then they went full on propros, and the product was trans rights. So, I mean, if I were a woman looking at this... I'd be completely pissed. Hell, I'm a guy looking at this and am utterly disgusted. So, now, not only are women incapable of doing shit, you've got them using special pronouns to differentiate themselves? And you've got them as being totally sexless beings? I'm sorry, already established lore has them as being females. I know what a vagina is, I know what a vagina looks like. Call it me and my scientifically accurate brain. But I don't think we should be using they and them for asaris. We should be using her and she. Because that's the social justice statement that you made, with three games. If you wanna go full propros, that's great. Just don't expect for me to buy anything you put out.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 1, 2019 18:54:33 GMT
Dude, if they keep on the same track that they're currently on, they're going to become the special one out of the group. And I don't mean special as in, "you're unique and different in a good way" I think we're way past that point.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 1, 2019 19:00:21 GMT
BioWare patented false advertising.
Even their livestreamers are falling asleep playing this mess.
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Post by warden on Jun 1, 2019 21:41:50 GMT
Well, the Bob Dylan of video games right here fellas.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 1, 2019 23:17:20 GMT
Well, the Bob Dylan of video games right here fellas. Knocking on Heaven's Door.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 1, 2019 23:18:50 GMT
Well, the Bob Dylan of video games right here fellas. Buddy Holly might have been more appropriate...
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jun 2, 2019 8:05:48 GMT
I made a compilation out of its best comments. Enjoy!
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