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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 11, 2019 13:43:28 GMT
1) Congratulations, you repeated succesfully what I said, but in a different construction of words. 2) Our experiences must've been different then (I play xbox). Other than loot not being fixed yet, anthem 1.4(.1) is a noticeable improvement concerning stability and bugs to the base game. The cataclysm itself might not have changed reception, no. But the increased stability would have. 3) Always with the viewers... Is that the final definitive measurement then? I mean, I'm not blind to the world, I'm sure that more popular games will get more viewers. And I am not as dissilusioned to think that anthem will ever be a popular game, but that doesn't mean it can't be a good game. 4) maybe. Maybe not. 5) a)Oh, you have insider knowledge in the company's internal communication now? Do share. they knew it wouldn't be perfect. They just didn't know HOW fucked they were going to get Which was kind of childishly naive, considering they had already had the ME3 and MEA backlash... c) that is likely true. 1) needs no response, your comment is silly. Most gradeschoolers know the difference between having time to complete something and not using it vs performing under real time limits. 2) must be 3) good job ignoring the Xbox playercount info. If you have another data point, go ahead and share it. Otherwise, these two suggest not much has changed re: player count. 4/5) information is taken straight from the kotaku articles on mea and anthem, perhaps you should read them more closely. 1) Hah, joke's on you, I'm a preschooler. 2) Guess it is, then. 3) Completely disregarded anything I said, but sure, whatever. 4/5) No, perhaps YOU should. I completely nuanced my response. You just want black and white. But I guess that's the current state of the internet. Or media, for that matter.
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Post by shinobiwan on Sept 11, 2019 15:42:47 GMT
1) needs no response, your comment is silly. Most gradeschoolers know the difference between having time to complete something and not using it vs performing under real time limits. 2) must be 3) good job ignoring the Xbox playercount info. If you have another data point, go ahead and share it. Otherwise, these two suggest not much has changed re: player count. 4/5) information is taken straight from the kotaku articles on mea and anthem, perhaps you should read them more closely. 1) Hah, joke's on you, I'm a preschooler. 2) Guess it is, then. 3) Completely disregarded anything I said, but sure, whatever. 4/5) No, perhaps YOU should. I completely nuanced my response. You just want black and white. But I guess that's the current state of the internet. Or media, for that matter. This requires no response. Get your facts straight and read the whole post before responding next time.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 12, 2019 9:54:22 GMT
My rating of Bioware games I've played so far:
KOTOR: 9.3/10 ME2 without DLCs: 8.3/10 - with DLCs: 9.2/10 DAO without DLCs: 8/10 - with DLCs: 9/10 JE: 8.5/10 ME: 8.3/10 NWN vanilla: 7/10 - expansion 1: 8/10 - expansion 2: 8.5/10 DAI: without DLCs: 6.5/10 - with DLCs: 7.3/10 ME3 without DLCs: 6/10 - with DLCs: 7/10
I haven't played but based on several reviews and trusted forumites:
BG2: 9/10 DA2: 6.3/10 MEA: 6/10 Anthem: 5.5/10
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Post by saandrig on Sept 12, 2019 10:22:32 GMT
My rating of Bioware games I've played so far: KOTOR: 9.3/10 ME2 without DLCs: 8.3/10 - with DLCs: 9.2/10 DAO without DLCs: 8/10 - with DLCs: 9/10 JE: 8.5/10 ME: 8.3/10 NWN vanilla: 7/10 - expansion 1: 8/10 - expansion 2: 8.5/10 DAI: without DLCs: 6.5/10 - with DLCs: 7.3/10 ME3 without DLCs: 6/10 - with DLCs: 7/10 I haven't played but based on several reviews and trusted forumites: BG2: 9/10 DA2: 6.3/10 MEA: 6/10 Anthem: 5.5/10 As is customary for the average Bioware fan, I agree with only 33.3% of your scores Yes, I did the math. Yes, I am not trying to be objective. Yes, I let nostalgia and the fun times affect my scoring
Unlike the customary for the average Bioware fan, I am not looking to have a debate or go to war about it
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 12, 2019 16:59:32 GMT
My rating of Bioware games I've played so far: KOTOR: 9.3/10 ME2 without DLCs: 8.3/10 - with DLCs: 9.2/10 DAO without DLCs: 8/10 - with DLCs: 9/10 JE: 8.5/10 ME: 8.3/10 NWN vanilla: 7/10 - expansion 1: 8/10 - expansion 2: 8.5/10 DAI: without DLCs: 6.5/10 - with DLCs: 7.3/10 ME3 without DLCs: 6/10 - with DLCs: 7/10 I haven't played but based on several reviews and trusted forumites: BG2: 9/10 DA2: 6.3/10 MEA: 6/10 Anthem: 5.5/10 As is customary for the average Bioware fan, I agree with only 33.3% of your scores Yes, I did the math. Yes, I am not trying to be objective. Yes, I let nostalgia and the fun times affect my scoring
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Post by shinobiwan on Sept 12, 2019 17:38:57 GMT
Anthem: 5.5/10 (pre-cataclysm), 5.5/10 (post-cataclysm) ftfy
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Sept 13, 2019 14:41:21 GMT
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 16, 2019 6:29:41 GMT
Anthem: 5.5/10 (pre-cataclysm), 5.5/10 (post-cataclysm) ftfy Oh come one, it's worth at least a 5.75
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Post by saandrig on Sept 16, 2019 11:07:01 GMT
Oh come one, it's worth at least a 5.75 5.69, final offer In fact, this may be the average score of Anthem across all platforms
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 17, 2019 13:42:20 GMT
Last week of Cataclysm starts tomorrow, if I recall correctly. We got relegated from origin access premier to origin access basic. We're still not popular. What do we do now?
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 17, 2019 13:49:12 GMT
Last week of Cataclysm starts tomorrow, if I recall correctly. We got relegated from origin access premier to origin access basic. We're still not popular. What do we do now? Panic? Set stuff on fire?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 17, 2019 13:59:25 GMT
Panic? Set stuff on fire? Announce that the Cata content is being integrated into the game map, make vague announcement about next update. Or send people over to SW:ToR, as its getting its first batch of new content in 3 years
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Post by saandrig on Sept 17, 2019 15:29:04 GMT
Or send people over to SW:ToR, as its getting its first batch of new content in 3 years And all because of MEA and Anthem desperately needing manpower... EA would have made more money if they never even bothered with those two games and gave the resources to SWTOR 😁
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Post by 10k on Sept 18, 2019 13:09:36 GMT
Last week of Cataclysm starts tomorrow, if I recall correctly. We got relegated from origin access premier to origin access basic. We're still not popular. What do we do now? Wait last week? They are taking away the cataclysm? Isn't that the only thing the game has going for it now? So what's going to replace it?
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 18, 2019 13:35:42 GMT
Last week of Cataclysm starts tomorrow, if I recall correctly. We got relegated from origin access premier to origin access basic. We're still not popular. What do we do now? Wait last week? They are taking away the cataclysm? Isn't that the only thing the game has going for it now? So what's going to replace it?
At the moment nothing new, as predicted. After delegating Anthem to Origins Basic from Premium, the studio (with their "large" Anthem team) is now focused on fixing Anthem's core issues and promising some "additional seasonal updates". Whether they mean new or a rehash of old stuff is unclear.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 18, 2019 16:52:22 GMT
Inflexible planning. If this is the only thing that keeps the Anthem fanboys (aka enthusiasts) moderately amused, they should not put an end to it. But who knows? Maybe even EA is sick and tired of Anthem's non-success.
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 20, 2019 1:45:46 GMT
Well, that kind'a depends. Do you think Anthem and ME:A were good games? Or at least decent? I don't. It's quite alright if you do, but I think that both games were dumpster fires. I think MEA is decent (and for me personally, it is 'good'), but it diminishes excitement from me about the franchise so a next game might have to blow me away before I even get it at some point, let alone I think Anthem (I didn't play it) looks mediocre, a rushed barely AAA job that screwed up, and we have no word of a redemptive project for it like FFXIVARR or Destiny(s), or heck, WoW: Legion. I don't think either are dumpster fires, though I do grant that Anthem is at least close. I don't like that I find Bioware on a downward trend. I liked DAI more than DAO in some ways but overall, for its time (my standards of 2009 vs 2014) I found DAI at least a little worse. MEA disappointed me and I took off my 'fan' cap at that point. What I've played of Anthem at friends is ...alright? But the whole structure ended up a mess so I'm super glad I avoided the purchase, though I'd prefer a strong overhaul of the game - I like aspects of it - than an abandoning. If DA4 is worse than Anthem, or even MEA, then for at least my part, I'm done with the Bioware label. Because I tentatively call Anthem a 6, and MEA a 7. (and DA2 a 7.5 maybe) Don't make me sad at giving a DA4 a 6.5 or worse. Ew. Gross.
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 20, 2019 2:03:20 GMT
My rating of Bioware games I've played so far: KOTOR: 9.3/10 ME2 without DLCs: 8.3/10 - with DLCs: 9.2/10 DAO without DLCs: 8/10 - with DLCs: 9/10 JE: 8.5/10 ME: 8.3/10 NWN vanilla: 7/10 - expansion 1: 8/10 - expansion 2: 8.5/10 DAI: without DLCs: 6.5/10 - with DLCs: 7.3/10 ME3 without DLCs: 6/10 - with DLCs: 7/10 I haven't played but based on several reviews and trusted forumites: BG2: 9/10 DA2: 6.3/10 MEA: 6/10 Anthem: 5.5/10 Catching up on the thread, ohohohoh people are doing scores! Glad I did my last post, and now I get to play this game too. I'm rating based on my personal standards of games at the time. I give 10s very sparingly, and do not consider 6 to be 'bad' (but I definitely consider it poor in many respects). I recommend anything down to 7, maybe 6, and rarely 5 to people, but I consider sub-5 to be fundamentally broken on some level. As in, either it needed many big fixes, or it cannot be enjoyed due to one core broken design. And when I say cannot, I mean cannot, in as objective a way as possible - for example, I do know people who had no problem enjoying Anthem.. at least at first. It doesn't get a 4. I don't like small increments between scores, but I occasionally let myself do a X.5. For convenience in this post I won't be doing X.5, just know that I'm okay with comparing games that get the same score. KOTOR was my first Bioware game. ME was my first targeted (picking it out due to brand) Bioware game. ME2 was my first Bioware fan game (preordered collectors). BG: Didn't play (beyond start) BG2: Didn't play NWN: Didn't play (beyond start). KOTOR: 9/10 (I liked KOTOR2 more though, like a 9-9.5 for that one, except its bugs and rushed aspects at the time) JE: 8/10 ME: 8/10 (I like ME more than JE though, and I like the ME series experience more than DA... though recent years has that shifting) DAO: 9/10 (so great, besides some jank, little holes of cut content, and bugs) ME2: 9/10 (I liked ME2 more than DAO at the time though, but I think I like DAO more now) DA2: 7/10 (a relatively strong 7) ME3: 9/10 (this is where the score comparing comes in; I think ME2 is better base game, ME3 is better with DLC) DAI: 8/10 (all DLC pushes this to maybe 9, but regardless I still like total-DAO a little more than it) MEA: 7/10 (DA2 was a more impressive project result, but MEA is a nicer enough modernized experience in enough ways) Anthem: Didn't play (beyond start), though if I had to guess, it'd be a 6-7 for me, but I accept any score down to 4-5, sadly for it (but also any up to 8) I wasn't into DA at the time of DA2 launch so any inadequacies it had, it didn't stick with me - so I had experienced a decade of expecting at least 8s for my Bioware experiences. So MEA slapped me a bit, and news of Anthem saddened me. Bioware 9s were practically 10s for me because I can live with bugs and the games serve my personal tastes more, but Bioware 7s or lower makes me wonder WTF is going on there.
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 20, 2019 2:11:37 GMT
I think its possible, though not very likely, that we're just in for Anthem's devs hunkering down for now through earlier 2020 to focus on core design changes and many fixes, then from earlier til later year focus on work that uses this as the better foundation for a major content release/pattern/season/whatever.
If they're willing to use the meanwhile as a wash but have the secured decision to do more with the game regardless.
Given the lack of communication, I wouldn't bet on it. It could go either way, and its an easier thought that its winding down into maintenance next year. Easier - not necessarily correct.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 20, 2019 7:21:25 GMT
Sure, I'll post my opinion since you all asked for it ( ). BG: Didn't play BG2: Didn't play NWN: Didn't play KOTOR: Didn't play JE: Didn't play ME: 7.5/10 (first BW game I played (i only played it so I could play ME2). It was certainly good, though gameplay was in effect really only a point and click adventure, slightly overrated in popular opinion imo) DAO: 8/10 (not my type of gameplay at first, but it did grow on me, and i liked it for what it was) ME2: 10/10 (This for me is the game where bioware was at it's pinnacle of creativity. Sure, the main story wasn't anything special, but all other things were. Zaeed! ) DA2: 8.5/10 (Personally loved the gameplay and sarcastaHawke) ME3: 9/10 (5/10 for the final 2 hours of the game, 9.5 for the rest of it. How somethign could go so wrong in such short time...) DAI: 7/10 (DLC pushes this higher to 7.5, but DAI I replayed the least of them all. Dunno why. Just didn't feel it. Dorian though ) MEA: 8/10 (I REALLY enjoyed this game more tht the popular opinion, though I understand all critiques pointed at it. Gameplay was fantastic though.) Anthem: 5.5/10 (at release, anyway. By now, it's a solid 6. Thing is, this game is just the most fun of all to play. If they fix endgame loot it'll be a 7. If they actually introduce content, who knows where this number may end up going?)
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Post by saandrig on Sept 20, 2019 8:05:06 GMT
And I agree with 30% of Swobyj's scores and with an astounding 62.5% of Pillar's scores. In some cases the differences is just 0.5-1 point with both of you. Still not the same, though
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 20, 2019 8:18:16 GMT
And I agree with 30% of Swobyj's scores and with an astounding 62.5% of Pillar's scores. In some cases the differences is just 0.5-1 point with both of you. Still not the same, though We agree to a high statistical degree? Well... I never! I think I'll go edit my post a bit >_>
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Post by saandrig on Sept 20, 2019 8:23:02 GMT
And I agree with 30% of Swobyj's scores and with an astounding 62.5% of Pillar's scores. In some cases the differences is just 0.5-1 point with both of you. Still not the same, though We agree to a high statistical degree? Well... I never! I think I'll go edit my post a bit >_> It just takes you a bit more time to come to the same conclusions as me...padawan
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Post by goishen on Sept 20, 2019 14:30:33 GMT
Look, EA doesn't care if it's popular. Hell, they could be the antichrist. As long as they can get all the money in the world, they're happy. Money doesn't buy happiness? While that may technically be true, it'll sure buy a lotta coke and hookers.
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Post by bladefist on Sept 20, 2019 19:18:26 GMT
Not quite sure when this became the Bioware Games review thread and since 7 months post-release is way too long to be skeptical about a game.
Here's my addition:
SWTOR: 8/10 - More of a single player online rpg with optional multiplayer. I played through all of the base content + expansions without teaming with anyone. Then I added some Flaspoints (Multiplayer Dungeons) and PVP. It's what Anthem should have been.
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