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Post by Sanunes on Jan 25, 2018 15:01:57 GMT
Thanks, BF2, you took one for the team. Interesting that EA's stock price had just about recovered after Battlefront II, until yesterday's article wiped another $1.2 Billion off... That is the stockmarket, I think Activision has taken a tumble recently too because of Destiny 2 and my guess the changes they are going to be making to lootboxes. Give the market a month or two and it will all be regained.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 15:04:47 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I am not upset with the delay either. I just think there is a subset of people out there that want a game designed specifically for their tastes and if it doesn't exactly match that it becomes "BioWare is dead" or other doom and gloom sayings. Its just like how people talk about Anthem and how BioWare is abandoning what they were known for, but a lot of those people haven't been pleased with what BioWare has released since Dragon Age: Origins which also was a game that pissed "real BioWare fans" off because it wasn't Baldur's Gate 3. I was derailed by NWN1 into not trying Origins and put off Mass Effect due to the dialogue wheel/full voice back in the early 2000's and I strongly advise against doing that kindda thing. STRONGLY. Don't hate forward.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 25, 2018 15:05:01 GMT
Interesting that EA's stock price had just about recovered after Battlefront II, until yesterday's article wiped another $1.2 Billion off... That is the stockmarket, I think Activision has taken a tumble recently too because of Destiny 2 and my guess the changes they are going to be making to lootboxes. Give the market a month or two and it will all be regained. I think Activision went down because there was an analyst who was worried about player retention in Destiny 2 link
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 25, 2018 15:15:50 GMT
STRONGLY. Don't hate forward. This is so true. I try hard to judge each game on its own merits with respect to whether I will enjoy it. The reasoning: "I'm not buying [Game X] because of [spurious reason] relating to [Game Y] or [Publisher Z], way ahead of launch. Simply makes no sense to me, but hey 'free choice'...
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 25, 2018 15:16:33 GMT
I think Anthem is aiming for a new audience because a vocal segment of BioWare's following goes looking for things to bitch and moan about. There will never be any pleasing of them even if BioWare somehow gives them what they want because certain elements are not how they imagined they would be. Edit: Bad sentence. Judging by the Destiny fanbase, I’m not sure this new audience will be any better.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 25, 2018 16:05:46 GMT
I think Anthem is aiming for a new audience because a vocal segment of BioWare's following goes looking for things to bitch and moan about. There will never be any pleasing of them even if BioWare somehow gives them what they want because certain elements are not how they imagined they would be. Edit: Bad sentence. Judging by the Destiny fanbase, I’m not sure this new audience will be any better. I really don't think any audience is better anymore. At least the developers might be able to get away from some of the things they might not want to include. I really wonder if they want to continue things that are expected in a BioWare game anymore such as romances? I know I would be willing to buy a BioWare game if they scaled down some of the things people expect, but again I wonder how many would.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jan 25, 2018 16:44:21 GMT
When it comes to expectations for Anthem it all depends on you. How open are you to Bioware trying something new and different? How much of their work from previous franchises are you expecting to transition to Anthem?
I know so little of it that I won't pass judgment yet. That said I have no issue if Bioware was to deviate from previous work with Anthem as I can get their stance. Doing the same thing for a decade plus gets old, furthermore they'll still work on the other franchises, they haven't abandoned them or anything, they're simply branching out further which one has to do at some point in the industry be it a new IP or really transforming a franchise into something entirely different from its older self Cause franchise fatigue. There's also the business side of things but I'll leave that out for now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 5:05:04 GMT
Not supporting Mass Effect Andromeda further with extra content was pretty much the death of Bioware to me. The half-assed release of Mass Effect 3 was the beginning of the end for me.
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Post by jnericsonx on Jan 26, 2018 6:02:18 GMT
I judged MEA a bit more harshly than Jade Empire. My main gripe in Jade Empire was the combat system and animations somewhat sucked. MEA:well, I damn near cried during ME3 a few times, so that was a hard thing to live up to. I want DA4, I want to stop the world from turning into magical hell, etc. Bioware games have had a special place in my heart for nearly 2 decades, especially once Mass Effect game out. Hell, when I was playing Mass Effect 2, I was so engrossed playing off and on probably 16 out of 24 hours once(I was unemployed at the time), that I finally looked out my window behind me and noticed two things: Oh, the sun is out and OMG there's a blizzard going on. No other game developer has made games that lock me in that deeply, and I don't want that to go away. And for the record, since someone commented on it, I liked Dead Space 3. Not as good as the first two, but enjoyable. Also, I've picked up all the DLC for all the DA and ME games. Helps when you get the Ultimate DAO for basically free, and DAI GOTY for 20 bucks.
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Post by vhiran on Jan 29, 2018 3:36:17 GMT
Not supporting Mass Effect Andromeda further with extra content was pretty much the death of Bioware to me. Funny how in just a few years we've come from bitching about DLC to bitching about a lack of DLC. I think this thread is proof positive that Bioware should quit trying to 'please' people and just make the games they want to make. You can always tell a soulless creation designed purely to make money vs one that was crafted with a lot of love.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 29, 2018 5:32:53 GMT
Funny how in just a few years we've come from bitching about DLC to bitching about a lack of DLC. I think this thread is proof positive that Bioware should quit trying to 'please' people and just make the games they want to make. You can always tell a soulless creation designed purely to make money vs one that was crafted with a lot of love. How, though?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 31, 2018 0:50:59 GMT
The Javelin suits have bipedal quarian legs... again. This is like every non-human design ever since BioWare shifted to Frostbite because it conserves on their rigging, and that's very unimpressive to me, coupled with the reused ME3 Brute and Banshee noises heard in the trailer for the third time now, and I swear some of the shooting/hovering is partly borrowed from MEA and the drop-in and levitation of other players looks like SWTOR-design. BioWare Austin working heavily on this game alongside Edmonton in general worries me. Between Descent and Kadara they made the buggiest, stiffest parts of both Inquisition and Andromeda and sure, it gets the job done as opposed to having to cut half the content but seriously, anything Austin touches turns to crap from a mechanical perspective. There's a lot of technical shortcomings already and knowing how Inquisition and Andromeda feel, I just know already that while the game may look pretty on the surface, some of its core designs are fundamentally messy, as in badly programmed and not reuseable... I found a line of "goto" in Mass Effect 3's code, which I know is kind of a no-no for coding, so there you are.
There's a lot of liabilities here and the last thing I want is another buggy mess like Inquisition where the music overlaps if you fast-travel from the wrong menu screens and sound fails to stream on time on PS4 causing constant pauses between dialogue and making music fade in too late breaking the immersion. I'm sure the first 5 hours of the game will feel pretty and impressive but then it'll start to drag down unless they actually improve this time. Knowing it's partly done by Austin though, I just know it'll be shit because Kadara was an atrocious, buggy, poorly written and lame part of Andromeda.
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Post by Hrulj on Jan 31, 2018 13:10:16 GMT
It's going to be a loot box grind fest filled with unimmersive players that it seems you'll be forced to play with. I'm a single player gamer and that's all I need and am looking for. Other people are simply a source for frustration, anger and lack of enjoyment. The recent delay just tells tales that it was caused by massive backlash to Star wars loot box debacle and they're in process of reimagining ways to squeeze extra money on top of the 60$ the game will likely cost.
Personally believe Bioware should focus on pushing out a good Dragon age game akin to Origins and then a Mass Effect title set back in Milky way with old characters and style.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 1, 2018 18:22:54 GMT
My concerns are many, but my major ones are that:
-being a shared world, nothing done in the game will have any lasting story effect. You have to account for other players making different choices.
-Forced multiplayer
-Microtransaction infestation.
Then of course there's the question of where will this game be in ten years? Previous MP games like Baldur's Gate and NWN you can keep playing the base game without a server connection. What will happen to Anthem once it inevitably gets sunsetted?
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 1, 2018 19:36:11 GMT
My concerns are many, but my major ones are that: -being a shared world, nothing done in the game will have any lasting story effect. You have to account for other players making different choices. That’s a concern of mine as well. Way I see it, there are two possibilities; 1. Shared-world is a misnomer, players can invite Friends into their zones but story will be reflected in each player’s individual zone. 2. Story events will be reflected in certain instances areas within the fort and some dungeons.
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 1, 2018 23:24:04 GMT
I'm worried about not having third person in the town area - first person makes me feel sick so it would really be nice if the option is there.
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Post by simit on Feb 1, 2018 23:51:39 GMT
Couple i guess
I find the game to be a great co-op looter/shooter but then BioWare listens to vocal's an turns it into a sp experience neglecting everything co-op
Launches with no end game or a end game thats complete in under a week
And as said above going into social hubs an being took out of javelin to be forced into FP mode
Tbh no really concerns cause if it enjoyable i'll play it regardless
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Post by ENGINEER_H4RR7 on Feb 3, 2018 23:13:27 GMT
What is Anthem about, anyways. Both, Mass Effect and Dragon Age, story elements were revealed during their first E3 trailers. But what is it about?
Not impressed with just being a loot-shooter and I hate shared world/co-op in story driven games. Just dilutes the story and story effect on your world is lost. It would be great if you can just turn them off, like the new Monster Hunter Game.
Unless I know more about those, this is a pass for me.
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Post by Felya87 on Feb 3, 2018 23:40:34 GMT
I like the Javelin suits. I like the idea of the wild uncharted world to explore.
I hate, like HATE the forced multiplayer. Having players around even if only in hub break my immersion and fun in playng. I'd like to give a chance to Anthem, but I need an antisocial mode to play solo and with no internet needed.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 6, 2018 15:51:58 GMT
STRONGLY. Don't hate forward. This is so true. I try hard to judge each game on its own merits with respect to whether I will enjoy it. The reasoning: "I'm not buying [Game X] because of [spurious reason] relating to [Game Y] or [Publisher Z], way ahead of launch. Simply makes no sense to me, but hey 'free choice'... So seeing absolutely nothing RPG in Anthem, but just another looter-shooter in the future is a "spurious reason"? Sorry, Bioware has burned me too many times in the past for the benefit of the doubt to apply any more
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Post by simit on Feb 6, 2018 16:14:19 GMT
Sure is some butt hurt in Anthem forum the day 😆😆
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 6, 2018 16:49:47 GMT
This is so true. I try hard to judge each game on its own merits with respect to whether I will enjoy it. The reasoning: "I'm not buying [Game X] because of [spurious reason] relating to [Game Y] or [Publisher Z], way ahead of launch. Simply makes no sense to me, but hey 'free choice'... So seeing absolutely nothing RPG in Anthem, but just another looter-shooter in the future is a "spurious reason"? Sorry, Bioware has burned me too many times in the past for the benefit of the doubt to apply any more What do you mean by, “the benefit of the doubt”? Really, I don’t get it. I keep seeing people say this as if waiting to pass judgement until we know anything were a favor to be graced upon a developer you like rather than a default rational behavior.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 6, 2018 17:06:56 GMT
I keep seeing people say this as if waiting to pass judgement until we know anything were a favor to be graced upon a developer you like rather than a default rational behavior. But we do know about the game. People are passing judgment on those things we know. Not giving the game "the benefit of the doubt" in this case is the acknowledgment that what has been shown is unappealing, and what can be extrapolated based solely on those elements is, similarly, disheartening. Nothing has been shown that would indicate otherwise. Giving the benefit of the doubt means assuming that things which they have made no reference to are going to be a part of the game. It's not, admittedly, very rational to assume things based on only small amounts of evidence, but it's even less rational to make assumptions based on none at all, isn't it?
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 6, 2018 17:13:05 GMT
So seeing absolutely nothing RPG in Anthem, but just another looter-shooter in the future is a "spurious reason"? I don't think that's a spurious reason. My reading of your gaming tastes (and what you have said constitutes RPG) suggests you haven't been in BioWare's core target audience for many years. Others may be more relaxed about BioWare's brand of 'action-RPG' falling within their 'zone of enjoyment'...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 6, 2018 17:23:23 GMT
They had one major misstep with Andromeda That is not necessarily true for everyone here. Some people will tell you that Andromeda wasn't a misstep, but got unjustly memed to death. Others will tell you that everything since DA2 was terrible. Myself included.
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