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Post by Iakus on May 18, 2019 13:35:28 GMT
The good people over at LowSodiumAnthem are learning a valuable lesson in echo chambers, how they form, how they're toxic, and how they do nobody any good xD: The issue in this subreddit now are what I will call the zealots. These are members of our community that by choice, be it because they truly feel that way or for the meme of it all, see nothing wrong with Anthem. They see nothing wrong with BioWare or their development of Anthem. They have blind unyielding faith in BioWare due to nothing but the company’s name. Blind faith is never good. Unwarranted praise is never good. BioWare has said it themselves in the past, while they appreciate the love and support, they also want to hear your constructive criticism. These zealots in our community here are just as bad as the haters were. They have repeatedly trolled and attacked members of our community who have posted their critical thoughts on Anthem in good faith. That’s not all however, when we try to moderate these issues, we get personally attacked.
We lost a Mod today, we lost a good Mod who was one of the original three of us that started this subreddit. We lost him because of these zealots. They made their response to him extremely personal, fill that blank in as you will. As a result we temporarily locked down the subreddit until we could get a handle on the situation. He has resigned and deleted his Reddit account. The Mod Team is sad to see him go and our community will not be better for this occurring. Never the less we will continue to move forward.www.reddit.com/r/LowSodiumAnthem/comments/bop16w/we_need_to_talk_required_reading/Yeah those Biodrones are relentless. In their eyes, BW can do no wrong. I'm actually surprised the Biodrones on this forum aren't as toxic as they are on that subreddit. It's still largely just a matter of degree though... This is still not a friendly place to be a Bioware skeptic...
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Post by 10k on May 18, 2019 18:01:07 GMT
Let's be honest, ME3MP was a fluke, Bioware have no idea what/why/how they did so well, and that's why they failed recreating it with MEAMP and Anthem ( don't know about DAIMP) DAIMP was a failure as well. To this day I can power on my 360 and find a bunch of people still playing ME3MP. Did the same with DAIMP couldn't find a single game. Even at the start of DAIMP it was hard to find a full game.
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Post by Obadiah on May 18, 2019 19:27:54 GMT
Does anyone really need to farm embers? Seems like I have WAY too many materials to begin with....
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Does anyone really need to farm embers? Seems like I have WAY too many materials to begin with.... myself I would because of the unknown factor you may need more to upgrade stuff
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Post by goishen on May 18, 2019 21:23:56 GMT
DAIMP got a lot better once they added dragons in. But by that point, it was too little, too late.
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Post by Polka Dot on May 19, 2019 16:18:04 GMT
Let's be honest, ME3MP was a fluke, Bioware have no idea what/why/how they did so well, and that's why they failed recreating it with MEAMP and Anthem (don't know about DAIMP) ME3 was the pinnacle of a much beloved series. By then they'd refined, honed, polished the mechanics to the most satisfying level they could achieve. People were very attached to Shepard and deeply invested in the world, the characters, the conflicts, the lore. Each weapon and character kit came with a lot of associations from the games themselves. These factors combined to create the lightning-in-a-bottle that was/is ME3MP imho. Player expectations don't help much, either. Anyone who goes into an ME*MP or DAMP match expecting the same sort of feelz they got with ME3MP are likely to be disappointed, as the context simply isn't there.
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Post by tatann on May 19, 2019 18:05:41 GMT
Let's be honest, ME3MP was a fluke, Bioware have no idea what/why/how they did so well, and that's why they failed recreating it with MEAMP and Anthem (don't know about DAIMP) ME3 was the pinnacle of a much beloved series. By then they'd refined, honed, polished the mechanics to the most satisfying level they could achieve. People were very attached to Shepard and deeply invested in the world, the characters, the conflicts, the lore. Each weapon and character kit came with a lot of associations from the games themselves. These factors combined to create the lightning-in-a-bottle that was/is ME3MP imho. Player expectations don't help much, either. Anyone who goes into an ME*MP or DAMP match expecting the same sort of feelz they got with ME3MP are likely to be disappointed, as the context simply isn't there. I'm not it's the case for everyone. When they released the demo, I was hooked by the MP even before playing SP, I think it quickly became my most played MP game (I usually play SP games) And I was always playing with a RL friend, so much that another friend got tired of listening to us talking about it all the time, so he bought the game just for the MP part (he never played any ME before). Eventually he got so hooked too that he played the trilogy
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Post by PillarBiter on May 20, 2019 6:56:49 GMT
ME3 was the pinnacle of a much beloved series. By then they'd refined, honed, polished the mechanics to the most satisfying level they could achieve. People were very attached to Shepard and deeply invested in the world, the characters, the conflicts, the lore. Each weapon and character kit came with a lot of associations from the games themselves. These factors combined to create the lightning-in-a-bottle that was/is ME3MP imho. Player expectations don't help much, either. Anyone who goes into an ME*MP or DAMP match expecting the same sort of feelz they got with ME3MP are likely to be disappointed, as the context simply isn't there. I'm not it's the case for everyone. When they released the demo, I was hooked by the MP even before playing SP, I think it quickly became my most played MP game (I usually play SP games) And I was always playing with a RL friend, so much that another friend got tired of listening to us talking about it all the time, so he bought the game just for the MP part (he never played any ME before). Eventually he got so hooked too that he played the trilogy If there is one series of games I wish I could forget and replay, it is goddamn mass effect. [Taboo]and the witcher[/Taboo]
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Post by seven on May 20, 2019 7:22:48 GMT
If there is one series of games I wish I could forget and replay, it is goddamn mass effect. [Taboo]and the witcher[/Taboo] You and me both! There has nothing I have found to replace that feeling of playing this game. I feel like any game will always feel disappointing in comparison. Yes I need to get out more, why do you ask?
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Post by PillarBiter on May 20, 2019 8:57:10 GMT
If there is one series of games I wish I could forget and replay, it is goddamn mass effect. [Taboo]and the witcher[/Taboo] You and me both! There has nothing I have found to replace that feeling of playing this game. I feel like any game will always feel disappointing in comparison. Yes I need to get out more, why do you ask? Also, favorite mass effect spinoff game would SO be a stroy about Zaeed. I was gutwrenched when I heard the VA died He was my main bro in ME2 :'(
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Post by saandrig on May 20, 2019 10:05:17 GMT
I'm not it's the case for everyone. When they released the demo, I was hooked by the MP even before playing SP, I think it quickly became my most played MP game (I usually play SP games) And I was always playing with a RL friend, so much that another friend got tired of listening to us talking about it all the time, so he bought the game just for the MP part (he never played any ME before). Eventually he got so hooked too that he played the trilogy If there is one series of games I wish I could forget and replay, it is goddamn mass effect. [Taboo]and the witcher[/Taboo] You mean you don't bang your head in the wall until the tatoos on your arms "Play Mass Effect" stop ringing a bell? Pfft, lighweight 😁
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Post by Iakus on May 20, 2019 13:35:50 GMT
I'm not it's the case for everyone. When they released the demo, I was hooked by the MP even before playing SP, I think it quickly became my most played MP game (I usually play SP games) And I was always playing with a RL friend, so much that another friend got tired of listening to us talking about it all the time, so he bought the game just for the MP part (he never played any ME before). Eventually he got so hooked too that he played the trilogy If there is one series of games I wish I could forget and replay, it is goddamn mass effect. [Taboo]and the witcher[/Taboo] I just want to forget...
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Post by PillarBiter on May 20, 2019 13:53:21 GMT
If there is one series of games I wish I could forget and replay, it is goddamn mass effect. [Taboo]and the witcher[/Taboo] I just want to forget... Heresy!
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Post by tatann on May 20, 2019 20:40:08 GMT
I'm not it's the case for everyone. When they released the demo, I was hooked by the MP even before playing SP, I think it quickly became my most played MP game (I usually play SP games) And I was always playing with a RL friend, so much that another friend got tired of listening to us talking about it all the time, so he bought the game just for the MP part (he never played any ME before). Eventually he got so hooked too that he played the trilogy If there is one series of games I wish I could forget and replay, it is goddamn mass effect. [Taboo]and the witcher[/Taboo] Why forget ? I've played the MET 6 times (one for each class), trying different dialogue/choice combinations each time, one of the great thing I love about it is discovering new dialogue/consequences And I can't wait to do the same with The Witcher (only 1 playthrough of the trilogy, well I played the first one twice)
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 20, 2019 21:28:08 GMT
I wouldn't mind $100 games for big budget AAA games but I don't see the industry heading in this direction. Half the global revenue from video games is from mobile, which are mostly free to play titles (so no big up front cost). Because mobile is doing so well the first thing I think we'll see is big companies trying to cash in, with many more mobile titles (looking at you Blizzard, oh and Elder Scrolls Blades ... how unexpected) and incorporating more tactics usually found in mobile games into PC gaming. Funnily enough the Asian market is more accepting of pay to win stuff, so I'm half expecting that to be more mainstream in the future. I wouldn't mind $1000 games for big budget AAAA games but I don't see the industry heading in this direction. Oh wait a minute... And... Asian markets:
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 20, 2019 21:37:04 GMT
Fun list by gamingbolt. Though it's not entirely about Anthem; Anthem's place on this list shows just how bad some people think the game is, compared to all BW games in general. I don't agree with some rankings such as Origins', but I agree with number 1 and it's not surprising that the game got the top spot. My Bioware ranking: ME2 > KOTOR > DAO > ME1 > NWN (with expansions) > JE > ME3 > DA:I > MDK2 > DA2 > ME:A > ... > Anthem
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Post by PillarBiter on May 21, 2019 6:49:46 GMT
Fun list by gamingbolt. Though it's not entirely about Anthem; Anthem's place on this list shows just how bad some people think the game is, compared to all BW games in general. I don't agree with some rankings such as Origins', but I agree with number 1 and it's not surprising that the game got the top spot. My Bioware ranking: ME2 > KOTOR > DAO > ME1 > NWN (with expansions) > JE > ME3 > DA:I > MDK2 > DA2 > ME:A > ... > Anthem From the games I've played, my ranking, but based purely on how enjoyable I felt it was (and, by extension, how much time I spent with it), not how objectively good it was. I enjoyed every one of them in their own way, though. The thing about this list... no matter in how much of a sorry excuse for a AAA game anthem is now, it DOES have the potential to keep me playing since launch. SO if (and that's a pretty big IF) they do the free dlc right, who knows... it might move up in the list (although, nothing ever beats ME2). ME2 > ME3 > DAII > Anthem > DA:O > ME1 > MEA> DAI
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Post by Sartoz on May 21, 2019 11:31:52 GMT
My Bioware ranking: ME2 > KOTOR > DAO > ME1 > NWN (with expansions) > JE > ME3 > DA:I > MDK2 > DA2 > ME:A > ... > Anthem From the games I've played, my ranking, but based purely on how enjoyable I felt it was (and, by extension, how much time I spent with it), not how objectively good it was. I enjoyed every one of them in their own way, though. The thing about this list... no matter in how much of a sorry excuse for a AAA game anthem is now, it DOES have the potential to keep me playing since launch. SO if (and that's a pretty big IF) they do the free dlc right, who knows... it might move up in the list (although, nothing ever beats ME2). ME2 > ME3 > DAII > Anthem > DA:O > ME1 > MEA> DAI
No other game, that I played, was ever so bug horny and with a loot and progression mess as Anthem.
My preference is DA:O>DA2>ME2>ME3>ME1>DA:I ('cause of combat, mage neutering, no pause and no auto-attack).
Thank you Bio for waking me up with DA:I. No pre-order with MEA and certainly no pre-order with Anthem and non either with DA4.... all good choices. imo.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 21, 2019 11:37:22 GMT
My preference is DA:O>DA2>ME2>ME3>ME1>DA:I For me it's ME2>BG2>BG1>ME1>DA:O>KotoR>NWN>JE>Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood>DA:I=DA2>ME:A>ME3 I never played MDK2, so it's not on the list.
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Post by Polka Dot on May 21, 2019 15:05:03 GMT
ME3 was the pinnacle of a much beloved series. By then they'd refined, honed, polished the mechanics to the most satisfying level they could achieve. People were very attached to Shepard and deeply invested in the world, the characters, the conflicts, the lore. Each weapon and character kit came with a lot of associations from the games themselves. These factors combined to create the lightning-in-a-bottle that was/is ME3MP imho. Player expectations don't help much, either. Anyone who goes into an ME*MP or DAMP match expecting the same sort of feelz they got with ME3MP are likely to be disappointed, as the context simply isn't there. I'm not it's the case for everyone. When they released the demo, I was hooked by the MP even before playing SP, I think it quickly became my most played MP game (I usually play SP games) And I was always playing with a RL friend, so much that another friend got tired of listening to us talking about it all the time, so he bought the game just for the MP part (he never played any ME before). Eventually he got so hooked too that he played the trilogy That's cool. They obviously did a lot of things right. The gunplay (and weapons) felt really good, the powers smooth and effective, the kits offered different playstyles, enemies and spawns well-designed and challenging, the maps well-designed. As you discovered later, all of those elements - including most of the maps - came directly from the SP game. When discussing any sort of MP game, I think it's important to acknowledge the player base and culture as well. In most of the ME3 and MEA matches I played, I very rarely encountered anyone using a mic, and very few hot dogs, score hogs, or general a-holes. The community was generally very welcoming and forthcoming in offering information and tips for new players, and I think most of us tried to help carry n00bs as they learned the game and developed their toons and inventory.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 21, 2019 19:02:17 GMT
Anthem next to ME2? DA2 better than ME2? That's HERESY!
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Post by cypherj on May 21, 2019 21:09:34 GMT
1) DA:O 2) BG 2 3) KOTOR 4) ME1 5) DA:I 6) ME:3 7) BG1 8) JE 9) NWK 2 10) ME:2 11) Anthem 12) ME:A 13) DA:2 14) Sonic Chronicles 5 -8 could be interchanged, there's not much separating them. This video just makes me sad to see how far Bioware has fallen.
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Post by cankiie on May 22, 2019 5:49:08 GMT
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Post by saandrig on May 22, 2019 6:29:27 GMT
People hate too much on DA:2 I quite like it. It repeats too many areas and the final Act is rushed, but the dialogue system, companions, choices and the "not save the world" story I really enjoy. Not BW rankings again! Don't you all have something better to talk about? Like Anthem's level design? 😁
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Post by PillarBiter on May 22, 2019 8:55:12 GMT
People hate too much on DA:2 I quite like it. It repeats too many areas and the final Act is rushed, but the dialogue system, companions, choices and the "not save the world" story I really enjoy. Not BW rankings again! Don't you all have something better to talk about? Like Anthem's level design? 😁 Good plan! How do I rate anthem's parts? Hmm let's see... Gameplay > world/level design > Characters > Quest design > Story (so far) > UI/menu's > literally: real life cancer > loot/inscription system
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