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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Jan 31, 2018 1:33:46 GMT
A girly feminine yet strong female knight who can be romanced by both female and male protagonists. So how many gamers would be offended at such a character? Would you call her Ms fanservice? Would you consider her a boring character?
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 31, 2018 1:38:22 GMT
A bisexual knight in shining armor would be cool.
I'd prefer a sexy butch lesbian tho. :sure:
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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Jan 31, 2018 1:41:07 GMT
lol I thought people would call her Miranda in Dragon Age! How about in addition to that a girly Eleven archer? Would gamers call Bioware sexist if they did that?
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 31, 2018 1:42:52 GMT
lol I thought people would call her Miranda in Dragon Age! How about in addition to that a girly Eleven archer? Would gamers call Bioware sexist if they did that? ...No? The vast majority of female Bioware characters are on the girly side of the spectrum.
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Post by jnericsonx on Jan 31, 2018 2:03:33 GMT
I wouldn't be against that.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 31, 2018 2:06:24 GMT
Honestly why do people care? Why not make a good character regardless of look or archetype
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Post by copper on Jan 31, 2018 2:29:04 GMT
I just want companions that have effort put into their personalities. I think on the whole Bioware does a good job with this. Sometimes though, some companions seem a little one note. For this concept specifically I could see the character coming across as too agreeable or boring if writers don't give her a well rounded personality. I like most companions we've had though, so I'd probably like her well enough.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 31, 2018 2:42:32 GMT
Sure? Not usually my thing, but I wouldn't object to her existence in the game. I would have romanced Cassandra with a woman if she were bi and her romance was different (not my style at all, really).
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 31, 2018 3:09:09 GMT
A girly feminine yet strong female knight who can be romanced by both female and male protagonists. So how many gamers would be offended at such a character? Would you call her Ms fanservice? Would you consider her a boring character? My main issue with the Gay Knight in Shining Armor, specifically in Dragon Age 4, is how such a character would retain their nobility in Tevinter. One of the darkest, most chaotic, ruthlessly cutthroat cultures in all Of Thedas, where honor and idealism can literally get you killed. Would the writers stay true to the series' tone and lore and allow possible moral compromise in the GKISA's Personal Quest? Even at the cost of fans accusing them of teasing and betrayal? Or would they have the character remain heroic and virtuous no matter what, completely ignoring DA's history and demeanor in the name of player wish fulfillment?
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 31, 2018 3:20:04 GMT
A girly feminine yet strong female knight who can be romanced by both female and male protagonists. So how many gamers would be offended at such a character? Would you call her Ms fanservice? Would you consider her a boring character? My main issue with the Gay Knight in Shining Armor, specifically in Dragon Age 4, is how such a character would retain their nobility in Tevinter. One of the darkest, most chaotic, ruthlessly cutthroat cultures in all Of Thedas, where honor and idealism can literally get you killed. Would the writers stay true to the series' tone and lore and allow possible moral compromise in the GKISA's Personal Quest? Even at the cost of fans accusing them of teasing and betrayal? Or would they have the character remain heroic and virtuous no matter what, completely ignoring DA's history and demeanor in the name of player wish fulfillment? You're right, such a character can't exist. Oh well, we tried.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 31, 2018 3:28:21 GMT
A girly feminine yet strong female knight who can be romanced by both female and male protagonists. So how many gamers would be offended at such a character? Would you call her Ms fanservice? Would you consider her a boring character? My main issue with the Gay Knight in Shining Armor, specifically in Dragon Age 4, is how such a character would retain their nobility in Tevinter. One of the darkest, most chaotic, ruthlessly cutthroat cultures in all Of Thedas, where honor and idealism can literally get you killed. Would the writers stay true to the series' tone and lore and allow possible moral compromise in the GKISA's Personal Quest? Even at the cost of fans accusing them of teasing and betrayal? Or would they have the character remain heroic and virtuous no matter what, completely ignoring DA's history and demeanor in the name of player wish fulfillment? I don't think we have to worry about that. All the KISAs we've met so far have been flawed - they want to help people and they have some kind of code (sometimes just a personal moral code, sometimes religious, etc.) that they stick to. But none of them have been heroic and virtuous no matter what. Aveline routinely circumvented the law where Hawke was concerned and called Isabela a whore approximately 827462 times and made some comments about elves, many people hate Sebastian for his Elthina-worship, wanting to turn Hawke's mage friends into the Templars, and marching on Kirkwall if you don't kill Anders, Cullen wanted to annul the Circle in DAO and said that mages "weren't people like you and me" in DA2... Tevinter is full of assholes, yeah. But there are also people like Dorian and Felix and Mae who, while products of their environment, are good people.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 31, 2018 3:50:02 GMT
My main issue with the Gay Knight in Shining Armor, specifically in Dragon Age 4, is how such a character would retain their nobility in Tevinter. One of the darkest, most chaotic, ruthlessly cutthroat cultures in all Of Thedas, where honor and idealism can literally get you killed. Would the writers stay true to the series' tone and lore and allow possible moral compromise in the GKISA's Personal Quest? Even at the cost of fans accusing them of teasing and betrayal? Or would they have the character remain heroic and virtuous no matter what, completely ignoring DA's history and demeanor in the name of player wish fulfillment? You're right, such a character can't exist. Oh well, we tried. Oh come on, this isn't about being a Gay Knight in Shining Armor, it's about being a character in Dragon Age . Look at the series' previous straight "Shining Knights": Cassandra was a rash, intolerant bully. Blackwall murdered civilians and children for coin and political clout, threw his men under the bus and stole Grey Warden valor. Sebastian was a sanctimonious flip flopper. Alistair was a whiny manbaby who tolerated any number of atrocities the Warden may have committed, but betrays them when his personal vengeance might be denied. Hell even Justice, a character closer to asexual than anything, could not grasp grey reality, naïvely merged with Anders and ended up becoming a terrorist. I like these characters and don't bring these flaws up to demean them, but reinforce that Thedas is a dark and complex place with no easy answers. If a GKISA is to exist in DA as an evolving, three dimensional character, they will need flaws and harsh dilemmas to confront. Otherwise, they're just a Saturday Morning Cartoon.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 31, 2018 4:12:48 GMT
You're right, such a character can't exist. Oh well, we tried. Oh come on, this isn't about being a Gay Knight in Shining Armor, it's about being a character in Dragon Age . Look at the series' previous straight "Shining Knights": Cassandra was a rash, intolerant bully. Blackwall murdered civilians and children for coin and political clout, threw his men under the bus and stole Grey Warden valor. Sebastian was a sanctimonious flip flopper. Alistair was a whiny manbaby who tolerated any number of atrocities the Warden may have committed, but betrays them when his personal vengeance might be denied. Hell even Justice, a character closer to asexual than anything, could not grasp grey reality, naïvely merged with Anders and ended up becoming a terrorist. I like these characters and don't bring these flaws up to demean them, but reinforce that Thedas is a dark and complex place with no easy answers. If a GKISA is to exist in DA as an evolving, three dimensional character, they will need flaws and harsh dilemmas to confront. Otherwise, they're just a Saturday Morning Cartoon. Even outside Dragon Age, the “knight in shining armor” character is usually portrayed as kind of a dick. There’s a long tradition in fantasy stories of KISAs being bullheaded at best, openly villainous at worst.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 31, 2018 4:25:55 GMT
Oh come on, this isn't about being a Gay Knight in Shining Armor, it's about being a character in Dragon Age . Look at the series' previous straight "Shining Knights": Cassandra was a rash, intolerant bully. Blackwall murdered civilians and children for coin and political clout, threw his men under the bus and stole Grey Warden valor. Sebastian was a sanctimonious flip flopper. Alistair was a whiny manbaby who tolerated any number of atrocities the Warden may have committed, but betrays them when his personal vengeance might be denied. Hell even Justice, a character closer to asexual than anything, could not grasp grey reality, naïvely merged with Anders and ended up becoming a terrorist. I like these characters and don't bring these flaws up to demean them, but reinforce that Thedas is a dark and complex place with no easy answers. If a GKISA is to exist in DA as an evolving, three dimensional character, they will need flaws and harsh dilemmas to confront. Otherwise, they're just a Saturday Morning Cartoon. Even outside Dragon Age, the “knight in shining armor” character is usually portrayed as kind of a dick. There’s a long tradition in fantasy stories of KISAs being bullheaded at best, openly villainous at worst. So Amonen basically?
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Post by phoray on Jan 31, 2018 5:22:51 GMT
I don't understand the point of the OP... it's then followed up with another picture...
which led me to believe this thread was more about complaining about the appearance of women in DA franchise than an actual topic but then posters I respect started having a real conversation so... pondering if the OP matters any longer as the topic has nearly moved on without it and become it's own thing even on page one...
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Post by river82 on Jan 31, 2018 5:39:59 GMT
That sword seems dreadfully out of place in this picture.
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Post by phoray on Jan 31, 2018 5:50:39 GMT
That sword seems dreadfully out of place in this picture. I feel like it should be sheathed. Or held differently- it doesn't look like it's being held for use, but more for posing. or a different sword.
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Post by river82 on Jan 31, 2018 5:53:21 GMT
That sword seems dreadfully out of place in this picture. I feel like it should be sheathed. Or held differently- it doesn't look like it's being held for use, but more for posing. or a different sword. Plate armour was so efficient that shields tended to not be needed, and was uncommon and rare. Partly because of this knights tended to favour more 2 handed weapons, spears, lances, 2 handed swords. The person in the picture has a puny sword and no shield (not like it would be needed anyway ), and it seems a bit weird is all xD
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Post by phoray on Jan 31, 2018 5:54:46 GMT
I feel like it should be sheathed. Or held differently- it doesn't look like it's being held for use, but more for posing. or a different sword. Plate armour was so efficient that shields tended to not be needed, and was uncommon and rare. Partly because of this knights tended to favour more 2 handed weapons, spears, lances, 2 handed swords. The person in the picture has a puny sword and no shield (not like it would be needed anyway ), and it seems a bit weird is all xD maybe their stereotyping was coming through and they didn't think a woman could handle a two handed weapon. It would look better with a spear, though, now you mention it.
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Post by river82 on Jan 31, 2018 5:55:37 GMT
Plate armour was so efficient that shields tended to not be needed, and was uncommon and rare. Partly because of this knights tended to favour more 2 handed weapons, spears, lances, 2 handed swords. The person in the picture has a puny sword and no shield (not like it would be needed anyway ), and it seems a bit weird is all xD maybe their stereotyping was coming through and they didn't think a woman could handle a two handed weapon. It would look better with a spear, though, now you mention it. Spear would be good :3
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Post by phoray on Jan 31, 2018 5:58:53 GMT
maybe their stereotyping was coming through and they didn't think a woman could handle a two handed weapon. It would look better with a spear, though, now you mention it. Spear would be good :3 haha you're like "mmmm speeeaaaarrr." Maybe they wanted the weapon to be shiny like the armor. Spears aren't usually shiny.
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Post by yeah rip on Jan 31, 2018 6:12:07 GMT
Depends on what her actual character would be about. "Strong bisexual woman" says nothing about her character and shouldn't be her defining trait.
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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Jan 31, 2018 6:23:15 GMT
How would you feel if she was as girly as an American cheerleader but yet tough in battle?
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 31, 2018 6:28:03 GMT
You're right, such a character can't exist. Oh well, we tried. Oh come on, this isn't about being a Gay Knight in Shining Armor, it's about being a character in Dragon Age . Look at the series' previous straight "Shining Knights": Cassandra was a rash, intolerant bully. Blackwall murdered civilians and children for coin and political clout, threw his men under the bus and stole Grey Warden valor. Sebastian was a sanctimonious flip flopper. Alistair was a whiny manbaby who tolerated any number of atrocities the Warden may have committed, but betrays them when his personal vengeance might be denied. Hell even Justice, a character closer to asexual than anything, could not grasp grey reality, naïvely merged with Anders and ended up becoming a terrorist. I like these characters and don't bring these flaws up to demean them, but reinforce that Thedas is a dark and complex place with no easy answers. If a GKISA is to exist in DA as an evolving, three dimensional character, they will need flaws and harsh dilemmas to confront. Otherwise, they're just a Saturday Morning Cartoon. No character exists without their conflict and problems. I don't think a gay kisa would be any different? Generally, when gay/bi men say they want a gay kisa, they mean they want a masculine, princely character, it's more about how these characters react to the male PC as a possible love interest, rather than anything else. How they are outside the romance, what their story is, could be aaaanything, as long as it's not a gay soap opera. Of course there are some virtues that he should follow as a KISA, but those could easily be the source of his conflict.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 31, 2018 6:36:44 GMT
I'd be fine with a girly bisexual knight (or any other broad character type, really) but I feel like the lesbians and bi women who play DA are also due that butch love interest many of them have been asking for three games in a row now.
I mean, if they gave us - for example - a butch lesbian Avar warrior and a girly bisexual knight, I don't think anyone would complain. (At least not about that. Someone would be bound to complain about something, this is Dragon Age fandom.)
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