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What bothered me most in episode 10: They killed Poe! I hope he's backed up somewhere.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 11, 2018 18:48:39 GMT
What bothered me most in episode 10: They killed Poe! I hope he's backed up somewhere. I hated that as well, since Poe was one of the best things in the entire show. The funny thing is that Poe doesn't even exist in the novel. There the hotel is rock themed, the AI based on Jimi Hendrix and it doesn't factor into the story much. Personally, I think having Poe and a more Gothic horror inspired hotel worked far better. I'd take up permanent residence in that place if it actually existed in the real world, seems like it'd be a fun place to live, even if Poe does lack any understanding or regard when it comes to boundary issues.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 16, 2018 4:17:22 GMT
What bothered me most in episode 10: They killed Poe! I hope he's backed up somewhere. I both liked and hated it. I love Poe. He’s also my favorite thing in the show, but it really cemented my deep hatred for Leung, and provided a good jumping off point for Lizzie finally being able to cut loose.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 18, 2018 11:27:16 GMT
Another problem with the last episode; Why Kovacs didn't question whether Rei was lying when she claimed that Quell's stack was backed up?
Rei is obsessed with her brother and had been lying to and manipulating him from the start, so pretending that his dead lover was still alive, would easily fit into her already established pattern of behaviour.
I suppose he might have doubted it on some level, but chose to embrace the lie that Quell might still be out there. Considering that Tak was borderline suicidal when we first see him, can't exactly fault him for wanting something to keep him living for.
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Post by frosted on Mar 18, 2018 20:39:18 GMT
Another problem with the last episode; Why Kovacs didn't question whether Rei was lying when she claimed that Quell's stack was backed up?
Rei is obsessed with her brother and had been lying to and manipulating him from the start, so pretending that his dead lover was still alive, would easily fit into her already established pattern of behaviour.
I suppose he might have doubted it on some level, but chose to embrace the lie that Quell might still be out there. Considering that Tak was borderline suicidal when we first see him, can't exactly fault him for wanting something to keep him living for. I think they want to keep things flexible for season 2.
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Post by frosted on Mar 18, 2018 20:48:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 22:46:00 GMT
Went from watching this with my girl to watching Whedon's Dollhouse. Good choice imho. I've seen Dollhouse many many times but this was a first for her. I love Whedon's storytelling and foreshadow. Nice to stay in roughly the same headspace insofar as body swapping is concerned as well. Also re-cemented my belief that the show had an amazing amount of potential that just didn't quite add up to what it could have been. But what was there was outstanding. The depth and scope. Just needed slightly faster pacing in the first season, then a few seasons to spread out the cram-packed second and final season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 3:24:47 GMT
I liked it for the most part but what I really had a problem with was how the asain actors for Takeshi got shafted. They deviated from the book and the lore of the series itself in order to keep the white actor as Takeshi. Even in VR Takeshi was white which is straight up bullshit. Whitewashed bullshit. It isn't uncommon for TV shows to deviate from the books they are based upon. I thought Altered Carbon did pretty well in regards to "diversity". Lead guy was white, so fucking what? Also: The season ended with an obvious opening for Tak to search for his beloved in the second season if there is one, as that is an important driving factor in the story, he will get a lot of screen time.
Yeah, totez whitewashed gaiz. Oh noez, a white dude! (Pretty sure he was put in to fanservice the ladies with the amount of times he's shown without a shirt though )
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Watched the first episode yesterday. Seems to be over the top AF, but kinda cool also. Too early to judge, will have to watch a couple more. I always like the futuristic and/or steampunk style, so we'll see.
I'm also thinking of giving a try at Westworld and Black Mirror (which is unfortunately a miniseries and I don't have good luck with those), since it'll be a while until I can watch the newest seasons of The Expanse and Better Call Saul, and I'm waiting for Vikings to actually finish the whole season before watching it.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 19, 2018 13:27:05 GMT
I liked it for the most part but what I really had a problem with was how the asain actors for Takeshi got shafted. They deviated from the book and the lore of the series itself in order to keep the white actor as Takeshi. Even in VR Takeshi was white which is straight up bullshit. Whitewashed bullshit. It isn't uncommon for TV shows to deviate from the books they are based upon. I thought Altered Carbon did pretty well in regards to "diversity". Lead guy was white, so fucking what? Also: The season ended with an obvious opening for Tak to search for his beloved in the second season if there is one, as that is an important driving factor in the story, he will get a lot of screen time.
Yeah, totez whitewashed gaiz. Oh noez, a white dude! (Pretty sure he was put in to fanservice the ladies with the amount of times he's shown without a shirt though ) I'm not some anti white bigot. I don't have a problem with the white lead. I liked him in House Of Cards. I was rooting for him to beat that piece of shit Underwood. Anyway, my gripe is the continuos shafting of east Asian American actors. No Asian American actor is a household name. Not one. Why is that? Why isn't there a high profile Asian American actor? Are there no roles for them? Do they simply not desire success in Hollywood? Or are they usually shitted on and typecast into stereotypical roles as martial artists, nerds, or immigrants? Here like in Ghost In The Shell, there's a chance for an east Asian American lead actor to shine but a white person takes that role instead.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 19, 2018 14:22:24 GMT
It isn't uncommon for TV shows to deviate from the books they are based upon. I thought Altered Carbon did pretty well in regards to "diversity". Lead guy was white, so fucking what? Also: The season ended with an obvious opening for Tak to search for his beloved in the second season if there is one, as that is an important driving factor in the story, he will get a lot of screen time.
Yeah, totez whitewashed gaiz. Oh noez, a white dude! (Pretty sure he was put in to fanservice the ladies with the amount of times he's shown without a shirt though ) I'm not some anti white bigot. I don't have a problem with the white lead. I liked him in House Of Cards. I was rooting for him to beat that piece of shit Underwood. Anyway, my gripe is the continuos shafting of east Asian American actors. No Asian American actor is a household name. Not one. Why is that? Why isn't there a high profile Asian American actor? Are there no roles for them? Do they simply not desire success in Hollywood? Or are they usually shitted on and typecast into stereotypical roles as martial artists, nerds, or immigrants? Here like in Ghost In The Shell, there's a chance for an east Asian American lead actor to shine but a white person takes that role instead. Jackie Chan. Michelle Yeoh, B D Wong (man, that guy's a chameleon), Kal Penn, Lucy Liu...
Heck the highest paid actor in Hollywood last year, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is half Samoan.
At any rate, one of the interesting aspects of Altered Carbon is that with the whole resleeving process, one could theoretically do whole seasons with the same characters but a whole new cast of actors
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 19, 2018 15:17:56 GMT
I'm not some anti white bigot. I don't have a problem with the white lead. I liked him in House Of Cards. I was rooting for him to beat that piece of shit Underwood. Anyway, my gripe is the continuos shafting of east Asian American actors. No Asian American actor is a household name. Not one. Why is that? Why isn't there a high profile Asian American actor? Are there no roles for them? Do they simply not desire success in Hollywood? Or are they usually shitted on and typecast into stereotypical roles as martial artists, nerds, or immigrants? Here like in Ghost In The Shell, there's a chance for an east Asian American lead actor to shine but a white person takes that role instead. Jackie Chan. Michelle Yeoh, B D Wong (man, that guy's a chameleon), Kal Penn, Lucy Liu...
Heck the highest paid actor in Hollywood last year, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is half Samoan.
At any rate, one of the interesting aspects of Altered Carbon is that with the whole resleeving process, one could theoretically do whole seasons with the same characters but a whole new cast of actors
Jackie Chan and Michelle Yeoh aren't Americans. B.D. Wong isn't a household name. I'm not sure if The Rock qualifies as a east Asian American actor. I'm going with no. Lucy Liu is a household name however. You got me there. But when has she ever had the lead role in anything?
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I'm also thinking of giving a try at Westworld and Black Mirror. Both phenomenal series. Couple suggestions for both... If you like foreshadow watch Westworld like the walls are dripping with it. They are. I love guessing the twists and turns and this is a series with that clearly built in mind. *** Black Mirror, something funny happened to me that I think worked for the better. I downloaded Season 2 first, and watched it first, under the mistaken impression that it was Season 1. Everyone I've introduced the series to now I suggest watching it in that order. The first episode really does not showcase the series as well as the fourth episode (Episode 4 being s02e01) At least to my Canadian sensibilities; I had a hunch it went over well with the brits but I think it's one of the reasons the show didn't get much traction early on and why it was subsequently dropped, then grabbed up by Netflix. So far I haven't seen quite the same level of brilliance in the Netflix episodes as I did in the original series. Unfortunate, but oh well. The first two seasons + the weird ass Christmas special were great. At the time I was "spreading the word" of Black Mirror there had only been the two seasons. Watching S2-S1 also meant that the last episode you watch is, "The Entire History of You". Which, IMHO, is either the absolute best of the series, or damn close. The rights to the movie version of the episode were actually grabbed up by Downey Jr of all people. (Beating Clooney in a bid war no less.) The watch order made for a grand entrance and a great finish.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 19, 2018 21:59:52 GMT
Black Mirror, something funny happened to me that I think worked for the better. I downloaded Season 2 first, and watched it first, under the mistaken impression that it was Season 1. Everyone I've introduced the series to now I suggest watching it in that order. The first episode really does not showcase the series as well as the fourth episode (Episode 4 being s02e01) At least to my Canadian sensibilities; I had a hunch it went over well with the brits but I think it's one of the reasons the show didn't get much traction early on and why it was subsequently dropped, then grabbed up by Netflix. So far I haven't seen quite the same level of brilliance in the Netflix episodes as I did in the original series. Unfortunate, but oh well. The first two seasons + the weird ass Christmas special were great. At the time I was "spreading the word" of Black Mirror there had only been the two seasons. Watching S2-S1 also meant that the last episode you watch is, "The Entire History of You". Which, IMHO, is either the absolute best of the series, or damn close. The rights to the movie version of the episode were actually grabbed up by Downey Jr of all people. (Beating Clooney in a bid war no less.) The watch order made for a grand entrance and a great finish. Funny, I recently listened to a podcast where Todd Howard mentions the exact same thing (completely off topic btw): don't watch Season 1 first. What the hell did they do to the show? lol.
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Post by Nayawk on Mar 21, 2018 22:55:39 GMT
Jackie Chan and Michelle Yeoh aren't Americans. B.D. Wong isn't a household name. I'm not sure if The Rock qualifies as a east Asian American actor. I'm going with no. Lucy Liu is a household name however. You got me there. But when has she ever had the lead role in anything? Lucy Liu is one of the leads in Elementary, I think that just finished its 5th season? I would add John Cho to Mar20s list. Star Trek is pretty high profile, and he is just cast in the Grudge reboot. As for Altered Carbon, I felt it took a few eps to get going, the middle was excellent then got really boring the last 2 eps. I thought I was going to have a problem with Joel Kinnaman as Kovacs, as the trailer did not give me hope for his acting skills, but he was fine. James Purefoy as Bancroft sort of annoyed me just because Purefoy is a ham. Poe of course was awesome. I will say I felt it had overly long sex scenes (this isn't just an Altered Carbon problem, it seems to be happening to every damn show). Lots of the nudity was totally appropriate, its a strip club people will be naked. I'm also fine with sex scenes, they can establish story/character elements, but do I really need 10 whole minutes of awkward grunting? Establish your story/characters points and move the hell on.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 22, 2018 14:27:38 GMT
Jackie Chan and Michelle Yeoh aren't Americans. B.D. Wong isn't a household name. I'm not sure if The Rock qualifies as a east Asian American actor. I'm going with no. Lucy Liu is a household name however. You got me there. But when has she ever had the lead role in anything? Lucy Liu is one of the leads in Elementary, I think that just finished its 5th season? I would add John Cho to Mar20s list. Star Trek is pretty high profile, and he is just cast in the Grudge reboot. As for Altered Carbon, I felt it took a few eps to get going, the middle was excellent then got really boring the last 2 eps. I thought I was going to have a problem with Joel Kinnaman as Kovacs, as the trailer did not give me hope for his acting skills, but he was fine. James Purefoy as Bancroft sort of annoyed me just because Purefoy is a ham. Poe of course was awesome. I will say I felt it had overly long sex scenes (this isn't just an Altered Carbon problem, it seems to be happening to every damn show). Lots of the nudity was totally appropriate, its a strip club people will be naked. I'm also fine with sex scenes, they can establish story/character elements, but do I really need 10 whole minutes of awkward grunting? Establish your story/characters points and move the hell on. She's one of the leads. She isn't carrying the show herself as the main character. As long as she's been in the business she's never headlined anything. Why is that? John Cho as one half of Harold and Kumar. John Cho as a Federation officer. What's his job on the bridge? Driving the ship? Please. He gets screen time but he ain't Captain Kirk.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 21, 2018 12:29:10 GMT
Just started with the series, I'm quite amazed how good it is!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 21, 2018 13:13:48 GMT
I liked it for the most part but what I really had a problem with was how the asain actors for Takeshi got shafted. They deviated from the book and the lore of the series itself in order to keep the white actor as Takeshi. Even in VR Takeshi was white which is straight up bullshit. Whitewashed bullshit. Wow. One version of the "starring role" is played by a white guy. His sister is played by an Asian. His partner is a Latina. His other partner is a black dude, and the other white guy is a robot. Two earlier versions of said lead role, are portrayed by not one, but two, different Asian actors. You don't really understand the term you are using, and you think it's ok to be butthurt about it. Get a grip.
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 21, 2018 13:14:28 GMT
I've finished the whole thing about 2 weeks ago? It's decent enough, not super good, but decent (my own opinion ofc). But what is with the nude scenes and shit? Jesus, when it makes sense, fine. But having sex scenes and nude stuff just for the sake of it? I mean If I wanted to watch porn I'll just go and watch porn for christ sake, gee. However the cop girl, how was her name again? the latina chick, anyways she's HAWT AF though, no complaints here. Like, if I was 12 I'll definitely watch the show just because she was in it. But anyways, the series is decent as I've said and characters like Poe are really interesting imo, we'll see where they go in S2.
Unrelated (kinda), also finished West World last weekend, pretty good although I'm really not into Cowboy stuff, and that's why it had a rough start for me, but the plot is really good I think, and there're some plot twists and shit that makes you say DAMN. Characters are pretty good, story's good, definitely a good show. Went to try out Black Mirror yesterday, watched the first 2 episodes... ehhh Not my thing. I mean the series seem to be really well done, but I don't like the format. Each episode is its own thing so you don't really get attached to anything, I don't like those types of shows. As far as I can go is Fargo, which each season is its own thing, so you've got the whole season to get used to the characters, and the subsequent seasons have hints of previous characters, or it's an early/late timeline, so you end up connecting. Black Mirror on the other hand doesn't have that, plus the psychological-drama-tension type of shows are not my cup of tea, and probably never will. So I may end up passing on that one.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 21, 2018 13:41:35 GMT
Re: nudity - yeah, it was pretty gratuitous. It never bothered me from a sense that I mostly liked what I was seeing.... But from the sense of telling the story, it was fluff and unnecessary.
People want to see teh sexz.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 21, 2018 14:27:23 GMT
Everyone is naked in the future.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 21, 2018 15:12:29 GMT
Have no problem with the nudity, I hardly noticed it, but then again I'm a grown up European. I've heard in the US they are a little afraid of naked bodies for whatever reason.
I have a problem with nudity (and lots of other stuff too) when it is unnecessary, but Altered Carbon is free from that nonsense. They show a fully naked girl hologram? Sure, they sell bodies in that scene, its a commercial, makes perfect sense. They show naked hookers? Sure, fully clothed hookers are kind of unconvincing in such scene.
Game of Thrones though often shows naked people just because, which is a little dumb. But this has nothing to do with me being afraid from naked people, its just showing stuff for no reason hardly improves a story or a scene. Its the same with violence, conversations, horror elements etc. For example - naked Hodor - Why? Melisandre Bath Tub scene - Why? Ramsay Bolton scene with naked women in bed - why? But the walk of shame, Cersei super naked - yeah, makes total sense. And so on.
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 21, 2018 16:25:49 GMT
I don't have a problem with nudity in the sense of "oh my god this is so NSFW and I'm a purist, *insert SJW shit here* " type of garbo. But it does make me roll eyes when it clearly is unnecessary or "fan service" type of shit, IMO this series has some unnecessary nudity elements, then again, so does GoT to a degree. But it's not something that would make me stay away from the series.
Heh, I doubt in the US they have problems with nudity honestly. Japanese culture however (and apparently Asian in general), seems to be very taboo about it for some reason, not to be rude to any possible Asian user on these parts or anything, that's just how I see it.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 21, 2018 18:59:35 GMT
When you consider that in the future of Altered Carbon, bodies are effectively disposable commodities, something people can change as easily as their clothes, then concepts such as a taboo on nudity would likely be seen as a very antiquated mode of thinking.
That's not to say some people in the future might not be uncomfortable with nudity, but it seems obvious the Meths don't care. They've become so detached after centuries of existence, not to mention the hundreds (if not thousands) of bodies they've gone through, showing a little skin barely would be a blip on their radar.
So I'd say you can justify the (seemingly gratuitous) nudity in the show, since the people in the future seem to have moved beyond it, likely as a consequence of the widespread implementation of sleeves in their society.
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