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Post by davkar on Feb 12, 2018 22:45:13 GMT
Sure Meredith is a paranoid bisss at this point (by default or the idols influence who knows for sure). Siding with her is a chance curb her bloodlust, to save lives, both innocent and mages. Hawke and co only killed those who deserved it/were beyond reason and redemption. Lots of the mages were just waiting for the greenlight to go crazy (see the route to the docks). Saving Bethany is done out of love. Templar Carver showing some backbone is a similar deal, despite his constant bitching he does love Hawke. To let Meredith kill Beth... I don't know, you have to play the reddest of red ahole just for the sake of it and even then it wouldn't make sense. Orsino is dead, the blood mages are dead, the spared innocent mages can be sorted out later, she can call off the annulment. Now she wants to kill Hawke's sister because she's a mage? Gurl we helped you restore order, now kindly fok off. Defying Meredith also makes her turning against Hawke more 'acceptable'.
Oh, and Anders was nowhere near right. That ass had absolutely no moral high ground. Killing innocents to incite a war? How is that acceptable? You might as well endorse real life terrorism... Now if he had blown up the gates of the Gallows and rallied the mages on the main square with a "now or never, fight together brothers and sister fooh freedom!" speech then sure, I would support him. But for the needless mass murder he gets the mk every time. Too bad we didn't have the option for a more fitting punishment like tranquility or hanging. I don't even mind that Fiona gets the blame for the mage rebellion, this abomination deserves to be forgotten. Meredith's mad by default, We know it already in Act1. The red lyrium only amplified her madness. As I said: At the moment when Hawke must choose, S/He doesn't know, he had even a little chance to save any mages including Bethany. And not even knows, s/he gets a chance to kill her and save the city from her. Only s/he knows: there a madwoman, who will destroy the Circle, and kill every mage, and rule over the City. If Hawke protects the mages, they don't want to stay, they will leave the coty so quicly as they able, this clear. So at the moment, Hawke can see if s/he supports the Mages: Kirkwall will be saved from Meredith and from the mages. Kirkwall win. Only Hawke lost his home (at the moment s/he doesn't know that, but can think that), but won a sister, who already free, and loves her brother for it. And doesn't feel as a burden... This is when Hawke protects Bethany. If s/he stand by her, not if s/he stand against her. This is the true love: let her to fight for herself, not "protect" her against her will. She's a mage, much more stronger than non-mage Hawke. She only needs some confirmation: she's not a burden, and she wants to fight. Hawke can't trust Meredith: she proved, she's unreliable. Dumar was her puppet. Hawke can't believe her benevolence. (Not everyone forgets Anders, after Kirkwall he and Hawke continued the fight and helped a lot to rebel the Circles. And this makes this romance the best of the whole series.)Hawke doesn't have to know they'll have a chance to save Bethany because they wouldn't hurt her no matter what because they love her. Unconditionally. There is no bs about her being a burden or disrespecting her or whatever. If this was the case the Hawke family wouldn't have spent their whole life keeping her safe. The problem with your Hawke pov is that at this point it's impossible to separate character knowledge from player knowledge. What you say is true in the very first pts when the two are still the same. But all right, let's play by your rules. When Meredith demands that Hawke pick a side she is just reacting (we could say overreacting, but again, that is post-game knowledge) to Anders' terrorist attack. Like I said, when Hawke sides with her their goal is only to minimize the damage and protect the civilians, not to aid her in slaughtering the mages of Kirkwall. There is an exchange with Merrill as she is the only one who opposes the templars where they say these ~exact lines to convince her (max approval, finished final comp quests scenario). The whole viscount argument is irrelevant; it's just an added bonus which is more of a burden than a reward for saving Kirkwall for the nth time. Hawke was probably in office for a few months/a year before going into hiding. Then again this is the DAI knowledge and there are continuity inconsistencies regarding Hawke's resignation (when Cullen was recruited, Cassie's interrogation of Varric, Cory plotting in the background etc.) The main issue with the act3 choice is the presentation. The same old 'red is bad, blue is good' forced morality, that bw had been using since kotor (or even before that, kotor was my first bw game). Meredith is the bad choice personified and if you support her you are baaaad. Anders blows up the chantry but the poor thing is oppressed so you have to side with the mages to be good. DAI made a similar mistake with the recruit-conscript duality but thankfully this time they focused on the groups and deeds rather than the individuals. Sure Fiona bashing is a thing but she receives less flak than Meredith ever did. The same is true for the wardens choice but the 5 outcomes of the wicked e&h can be easily placed on the red-blue spectrum. I expect DA4 to shake things up again (raise your hands if you promoted warden Alistair to king ) and clarify which DAI choices are the more/most beneficial for Thedas and which ones doesn't matter at all. (Btw I'm willing to hear some valid reasons for defending mass murder. These ant’s dick sized protests are a bit childish. )
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Post by Catilina on Feb 12, 2018 23:51:32 GMT
Meredith's mad by default, We know it already in Act1. The red lyrium only amplified her madness. As I said: At the moment when Hawke must choose, S/He doesn't know, he had even a little chance to save any mages including Bethany. And not even knows, s/he gets a chance to kill her and save the city from her. Only s/he knows: there a madwoman, who will destroy the Circle, and kill every mage, and rule over the City. If Hawke protects the mages, they don't want to stay, they will leave the coty so quicly as they able, this clear. So at the moment, Hawke can see if s/he supports the Mages: Kirkwall will be saved from Meredith and from the mages. Kirkwall win. Only Hawke lost his home (at the moment s/he doesn't know that, but can think that), but won a sister, who already free, and loves her brother for it. And doesn't feel as a burden... This is when Hawke protects Bethany. If s/he stand by her, not if s/he stand against her. This is the true love: let her to fight for herself, not "protect" her against her will. She's a mage, much more stronger than non-mage Hawke. She only needs some confirmation: she's not a burden, and she wants to fight. Hawke can't trust Meredith: she proved, she's unreliable. Dumar was her puppet. Hawke can't believe her benevolence.
(Not everyone forgets Anders, after Kirkwall, he and Hawke continued the fight and helped a lot to rebel the Circles. And this makes this romance the best of the whole series.) Hawke doesn't have to know they'll have a chance to save Bethany because they wouldn't hurt her no matter what because they love her. Unconditionally. There is no bs about her being a burden or disrespecting her or whatever. If this was the case the Hawke family wouldn't have spent their whole life keeping her safe. The problem with your Hawke pov is that at this point it's impossible to separate character knowledge from player knowledge. What you say is true in the very first pts when the two are still the same. But all right, let's play by your rules. When Meredith demands that Hawke pick a side she is just reacting (we could say overreacting, but again, that is post-game knowledge) to Anders' terrorist attack. Like I said, when Hawke sides with her their goal is only to minimize the damage and protect the civilians, not to aid her in slaughtering the mages of Kirkwall. There is an exchange with Merrill as she is the only one who opposes the templars where they say these ~exact lines to convince her (max approval, finished final comp quests scenario). The whole viscount argument is irrelevant; it's just an added bonus which is more of a burden than a reward for saving Kirkwall for the nth time. Hawke was probably in office for a few months/a year before going into hiding. Then again this is the DAI knowledge and there are continuity inconsistencies regarding Hawke's resignation (when Cullen was recruited, Cassie's interrogation of Varric, Cory plotting in the background etc.) The main issue with the act3 choice is the presentation. The same old 'red is bad, blue is good' forced morality, that bw had been using since kotor (or even before that, kotor was my first bw game). Meredith is the bad choice personified and if you support her you are baaaad. Anders blows up the chantry but the poor thing is oppressed so you have to side with the mages to be good. DAI made a similar mistake with the recruit-conscript duality but thankfully this time they focused on the groups and deeds rather than the individuals. Sure Fiona bashing is a thing but she receives less flak than Meredith ever did. The same is true for the wardens choice but the 5 outcomes of the wicked e&h can be easily placed on the red-blue spectrum. I expect DA4 to shake things up again (raise your hands if you promoted warden Alistair to king ) and clarify which DAI choices are the more/most beneficial for Thedas and which ones doesn't matter at all. (Btw I'm willing to hear some valid reasons for defending mass murder. These ant’s dick sized protests are a bit childish. ) I rarely play with metaknowledge. I NEED a reason how Hawke knows, s/he will able to save his/her sister and/or any mages. If s/he can't be possessed by this informations, means s/he willing to sacrifice his/her sister for an unpredictable tyrant. I don't have (and never had) Warden Alistair, only king and drunk. It's not (only) for Anders. This is for Hawke or Bethany. As a mage, who always was persecuted and despised, and never feared his/her/Bethany/Malcolm's abilities, only feared the Templars knocks on their door, no way to support the Templars if can fight against them. Or: only way, if s/he hates him/herself, or Bethany and Malcolm. And as I said, it's can be a reason, if Carver is a Templar, and Hawke doesn't want to confront Carver – this also a good reason, I once did it, no more, thanks... it was just uncomfortable. Doesn't Hawke disrespect Bethany and doesn't strengthen her, she's a burden if forced her back to the Circle, her prison? You think Bethany doesn't feel betrayed if Hawke turns against her kind and supports her prison guards? Remember Alric and Karras, how can Hawke see ANY guarantee Meredith will restrain her dogs? And if Bethany can be safe, the others? I'm sure Bethany happy to see the mages be tranquil of a letter, or something similar. Again: At the moment Hawke doesn't know: Meredith will die. If Hawke supports the Templars, no way s/he knows, what Bethany really wants (a life with family, not a life in a prison) In this case Hawke doesn't care about how Bethany feels. S/He never respected her. How can people say: this is for her sake? Such a hypocrisy... Just some idiot parents, who know, what's the best for their adult child... Bethany's sake is the freedom. (My reason's bigger.)
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Post by Sokemis on Feb 13, 2018 2:16:34 GMT
Origins: I’ve narrowed it down to Origins where Duncan would likely have gone, since they all ‘happen’ story-wise. While the Dalish Elf Origin is great foreshadowing for the rest of the series, Duncan just ‘happening along’ (if he’s coming south from Denerim and passing through the Brecilian Forest why isn’t Daveth with him?) and finding the Main Character is a little too contrived/convenient for my taste. City Elf is another one where he just happens to be in Denerim (again, why isn’t Daveth with him?). Possible scenario for the City Elf (at least the one that I have in my head for my Tabris) for why Duncan was in Denerim and why he seeked out Tabris: The Wardens have a vault of weapons/armor in Denerim. I don't remember any mention of where the wardens were based just before the blight, but I would expect it to be in or near Denerim. The current Wardens obviously weren't stationed at Soldier's Peak and if they already had another base, why use Vigil's Keep? - so being near Denerim and their vault would make sense. Duncan could have recruited Daveth, and sent him ahead with Alistair and the other Wardens while he himself did some last minute recruiting on his way to Ostagar. Duncan tried to recruit Adaia, the city elf's mother many years ago, but was thwarted by Valendrian (by moving her wedding to Cyrion to an earlier date). I suspect that while in Denerim, Duncan heard snippits/rumors about Tabris and, even if he hadn't learned the name, probably put enough together to suspect that this was Adaia's kid (I'm pretty sure it's implied that the Warden is very similar to Adaia). He decides to ask a few questions and try to recruit the city elf before leaving the city. Valendrian (and probably Cyrion) learn that someone is asking questions about Tabris, knew that Duncan is gathering recruits, put two-and-two together, and decide to try the same tactic that worked for Adaia and move the wedding ahead a few day to try and prevent Tabris' recruitment (both Valendrian knowing Duncan was looking for recruits and why the wedding was moved up was actually confirmed by in-game dialogue) - but things obviously go horribly wrong on the wedding day.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 13, 2018 2:42:09 GMT
Duncan tried to recruit Adaia, the city elf's mother many years ago, but was thwarted by Valendrian (by moving her wedding to Cyrion to an earlier date). I suspect that while in Denerim, Duncan heard snippits/rumors about Tabris and, even if he hadn't learned the name, probably put enough together to suspect that this was Adaia's kid (I'm pretty sure it's implied that the Warden is very similar to Adaia). Actually, if you pick the right dialogue options during his first possible conversation, Duncan almost explicitly states this as his reason. He'll comment that he came "looking for something", and that he believes he has "already found it". If you ask him what it was, he'll tell you that it's something you can discuss with him after the wedding. He also makes comments to the effect of not recruiting Adaia because there was no pressing need, and then immediately follows it up with "...but I heard you inherited many of your mother's skills". So yeah, I think piecing it all together, it's pretty likely that Duncan came specifically in search of Tabris, planned to let them have one first/last night of joy with their spouse, and then planned to take them to Ostagar, kidnapping or not. Since Duncan's likely route took him to Denerim second-to-last of all the Origins, that even sort of fits there, too. Not having found someone in his first three stops (Orzammar, Kinloch, and Highever), he stops where he already knows there's a "reserve".
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 13, 2018 3:26:52 GMT
Duncan tried to recruit Adaia, the city elf's mother many years ago, but was thwarted by Valendrian (by moving her wedding to Cyrion to an earlier date). I suspect that while in Denerim, Duncan heard snippits/rumors about Tabris and, even if he hadn't learned the name, probably put enough together to suspect that this was Adaia's kid (I'm pretty sure it's implied that the Warden is very similar to Adaia). Actually, if you pick the right dialogue options during his first possible conversation, Duncan almost explicitly states this as his reason. He'll comment that he came "looking for something", and that he believes he has "already found it". If you ask him what it was, he'll tell you that it's something you can discuss with him after the wedding. He also makes comments to the effect of not recruiting Adaia because there was no pressing need, and then immediately follows it up with "...but I heard you inherited many of your mother's skills". So yeah, I think piecing it all together, it's pretty likely that Duncan came specifically in search of Tabris, planned to let them have one first/last night of joy with their spouse, and then planned to take them to Ostagar, kidnapping or not. Since Duncan's likely route took him to Denerim second-to-last of all the Origins, that even sort of fits there, too. Not having found someone in his first three stops (Orzammar, Kinloch, and Highever), he stops where he already knows there's a "reserve". IIRC, if you choose the right dialogue options near the end of the Origin story, Valendrian will sigh and say something like, "He came here for you, after all." I've always felt most of the Origins were equally likely (except the Dalish one, 'cause "tracking the horde" or not that's a big forest?? Then again, Mahariel resisting the Taint for DAYS shows them to be A++ Warden material, so they arguably make the most sense once he's found them. And well, they're already Tainted so it would be a waste...). City Elf is Adaia's daughter/son and just slaughtered an estate full of armed guards. Orzammar makes tons of sense because they've been fighting darkspawn for ages and Duncan's there to witness the Provings and see what the warriors have to offer. Aeducan's a Commander and everyone brags about how talented a fighter they are. Brosca whups the asses of the entire warrior caste and demonstrates some serious tenacity by doing so in spite of, you know, the death penalty. The Wardens obviously need mages, etc. I don't remember enough of the Human Noble story to recall why Duncan's in Highever but hell, I'm sure it makes sense. Was he there to recruit Ser Gilmore or something?
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 13, 2018 3:36:07 GMT
How I choose my canon is heavily inspired by how my choices affect the next game, and if my canon dies in it or not. So what I'll finally choose for DA:I for instance, will be heavily influenced by what happens in DA4. Is kinda shit, isn't it LOL.
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Post by Sokemis on Feb 13, 2018 3:38:49 GMT
I don't remember enough of the Human Noble story to recall why Duncan's in Highever but hell, I'm sure it makes sense. Was he there to recruit Ser Gilmore or something? I don't remember if Duncan ever came out and directly said so, but I'm pretty sure Ser Gilmore was a cover story. I think he had heard about the warden's skills and was really there for Cousland all along. And he knew he would at least have a consolation prize in Ser Gilmore if he couldn't convince Cousland to join. I think he would have tried his hardest to convince Bryce/the Warden to let Cousland join, but I think that's probably the one origin where he wouldn't have used the Rite of Conscription if Howe hadn't attacked. The Warden's had only been back about 20 years, and so were probably still on shaky ground in Ferelden - forcing the child of one of the most powerful men in the country to join probably wouldn't have helped things. But then again this was Duncan "Whatever it Takes"... (umm... does he even have a last name?), so he may still have pressed the issue anyway. What I wonder is if he would have also recruited Ser Gilmore if both Howe hadn't attacked and Cousland had decided to join anyway. Probably
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 13, 2018 3:40:36 GMT
I don't remember enough of the Human Noble story to recall why Duncan's in Highever but hell, I'm sure it makes sense. Was he there to recruit Ser Gilmore or something? Yeah, he says he hadn't found any recruits yet at that point, and heard about Ser Gilmore, so came to test him (although he remarks he'd actually prefer the younger Cousland sibling, but Bryce didn't go for it and Duncan didn't want to press the issue with the guy who's basically Ferelden's #2). To me Aeducan feels a little "luck" based, too, not necessarily because Duncan wouldn't meet him and learn of his prowess, but more that Aeducan was just lucky to find Duncan and the others in the Deep Roads.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 13, 2018 3:43:22 GMT
How I choose my canon is heavily inspired by how my choices affect the next game, and if my canon dies in it or not. So what I'll finally choose for DA:I for instance, will be heavily influenced by what happens in DA4. Is kinda shit, isn't it LOL. I know that feeling. Like.... if we get a female qunari mage as a companion in the next game (for example), I'll probably make my Qunquisitor a warrior instead of a mage. If we're restricted to a human-only protag, I definitely won't make my Warden or Inquisitor human. This is part of the reason I'm so thirsty for DA info, I wanna know who my character is so I can figure out who all my other characters are. :gasp: I don't remember enough of the Human Noble story to recall why Duncan's in Highever but hell, I'm sure it makes sense. Was he there to recruit Ser Gilmore or something? I don't remember if Duncan ever came out and directly said so, but I'm pretty sure Ser Gilmore was a cover story. And/or he knew if would at least have a consolation prize in Ser Gilmore if he couldn't convince Cousland to join. I think he would have tried his hardest to convince Bryce/the Warden to let Cousland join, but I don't think that's probably the one origin where he wouldn't have used the Rite of Conscription if Howe hadn't attacked. The Warden's had only been back about 20 years, and so were probably still on shaky ground in Ferelden - forcing the child of one of the most powerful men in the country to join probably wouldn't have helped things. But then again this was Duncan "Whatever it Takes"... (umm... does he even have a last name?), so he may still have pressed the issue anyway. Duncan, you wily bastard!
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Post by phoray on Feb 13, 2018 4:32:11 GMT
I don't remember if Duncan ever came out and directly said so, but I'm pretty sure Ser Gilmore was a cover story. I think he had heard about the warden's skills and was really there for Cousland all along. And he knew he would at least have a consolation prize in Ser Gilmore if he couldn't convince Cousland to join. What I don't get is why he'd want a Cousland so bad in the first place. We're young, maybe we have some skills, but we're certainly not renowned/won a tourney/anywhere close to being a Knight like Ser Gilmore. Other than the mage origin (cuz mages are vital) and the city elf origin (child of a hardcore combatant mom Duncan had known and been fond of) and Brosca (saw them win The Proving) I sometimes don't get why he wants any of the other origins. Aeducan and the Dalish Origin can be chalked up to "let these folks not go to waste, let's take a shot" I still don't see the point of Cousland.
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I don't remember if Duncan ever came out and directly said so, but I'm pretty sure Ser Gilmore was a cover story. I think he had heard about the warden's skills and was really there for Cousland all along. And he knew he would at least have a consolation prize in Ser Gilmore if he couldn't convince Cousland to join. What I don't get is why he'd want a Cousland so bad in the first place. We're young, maybe we have some skills, but we're certainly not renowned/won a tourney/anywhere close to being a Knight like Ser Gilmore. Other than the mage origin (cuz mages are vital) and the city elf origin (child of a hardcore combatant mom Duncan had known and been fond of) and Brosca (saw them win The Proving) I sometimes don't get why he wants any of the other origins. Aeducan and the Dalish Origin can be chalked up to "let these folks not go to waste, let's take a shot" I still don't see the point of Cousland.Maybe he knew Howe was going to attack?
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 13, 2018 6:11:56 GMT
Dialogue from Howe, Fergus, and Duncan himself all seem to indicate that Cousland has a bit of a reputation as a fighter. Presumably Duncan heard about that from the same place he heard that Ser Gilmore might be a good candidate.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 13, 2018 7:24:42 GMT
How I choose my canon is heavily inspired by how my choices affect the next game, and if my canon dies in it or not. So what I'll finally choose for DA:I for instance, will be heavily influenced by what happens in DA4. Is kinda shit, isn't it LOL. I know that feeling. Like.... if we get a female qunari mage as a companion in the next game (for example), I'll probably make my Qunquisitor a warrior instead of a mage. If we're restricted to a human-only protag, I definitely won't make my Warden or Inquisitor human. This is part of the reason I'm so thirsty for DA info, I wanna know who my character is so I can figure out who all my other characters are. My current '' canon '' Inquisitor just wants everyone to fuck off and leave him alone, so if DA4 is very... Inquisitor intensive, I think I might have to change him to someone else. Also, if the Inquisitor is going to die, I'm not going to let that be my sweet Qunari boyo. No, he deserves cupcakes and rainbows, not stupid heroic sacrifices or whatever.
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I know that feeling. Like.... if we get a female qunari mage as a companion in the next game (for example), I'll probably make my Qunquisitor a warrior instead of a mage. If we're restricted to a human-only protag, I definitely won't make my Warden or Inquisitor human. This is part of the reason I'm so thirsty for DA info, I wanna know who my character is so I can figure out who all my other characters are. My current '' canon '' Inquisitor just wants everyone to fuck off and leave him alone, so if DA4 is very... Inquisitor intensive, I think I might have to change him to someone else. Also , if the Inquisitor is going to die, I'm not going to let that be my sweet Qunari boyo. No, he deserves cupcakes and rainbows, not stupid heroic sacrifices or whatever.My canon Quiz feels similarly, but I'm not going to change him (because I love my canon so yeah). Yeah, i'd let my Solas romance die tho. She could spent the rest of her life haunting Solas for his crimes.
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Post by davkar on Feb 13, 2018 9:12:32 GMT
Hawke doesn't have to know they'll have a chance to save Bethany because they wouldn't hurt her no matter what because they love her. Unconditionally. There is no bs about her being a burden or disrespecting her or whatever. If this was the case the Hawke family wouldn't have spent their whole life keeping her safe. The problem with your Hawke pov is that at this point it's impossible to separate character knowledge from player knowledge. What you say is true in the very first pts when the two are still the same. But all right, let's play by your rules. When Meredith demands that Hawke pick a side she is just reacting (we could say overreacting, but again, that is post-game knowledge) to Anders' terrorist attack. Like I said, when Hawke sides with her their goal is only to minimize the damage and protect the civilians, not to aid her in slaughtering the mages of Kirkwall. There is an exchange with Merrill as she is the only one who opposes the templars where they say these ~exact lines to convince her (max approval, finished final comp quests scenario). The whole viscount argument is irrelevant; it's just an added bonus which is more of a burden than a reward for saving Kirkwall for the nth time. Hawke was probably in office for a few months/a year before going into hiding. Then again this is the DAI knowledge and there are continuity inconsistencies regarding Hawke's resignation (when Cullen was recruited, Cassie's interrogation of Varric, Cory plotting in the background etc.) The main issue with the act3 choice is the presentation. The same old 'red is bad, blue is good' forced morality, that bw had been using since kotor (or even before that, kotor was my first bw game). Meredith is the bad choice personified and if you support her you are baaaad. Anders blows up the chantry but the poor thing is oppressed so you have to side with the mages to be good. DAI made a similar mistake with the recruit-conscript duality but thankfully this time they focused on the groups and deeds rather than the individuals. Sure Fiona bashing is a thing but she receives less flak than Meredith ever did. The same is true for the wardens choice but the 5 outcomes of the wicked e&h can be easily placed on the red-blue spectrum. I expect DA4 to shake things up again (raise your hands if you promoted warden Alistair to king ) and clarify which DAI choices are the more/most beneficial for Thedas and which ones doesn't matter at all. (Btw I'm willing to hear some valid reasons for defending mass murder. These ant’s dick sized protests are a bit childish. ) I rarely play with metaknowledge. I NEED a reason how Hawke knows, s/he will able to save his/her sister and/or any mages. If s/he can't be possessed by this informations, means s/he willing to sacrifice his/her sister for an unpredictable tyrant. I don't have (and never had) Warden Alistair, only king and drunk. It's not (only) for Anders. This is for Hawke or Bethany. As a mage, who always was persecuted and despised, and never feared his/her/Bethany/Malcolm's abilities, only feared the Templars knocks on their door, no way to support the Templars if can fight against them. Or: only way, if s/he hates him/herself, or Bethany and Malcolm. And as I said, it's can be a reason, if Carver is a Templar, and Hawke doesn't want to confront Carver – this also a good reason, I once did it, no more, thanks... it was just uncomfortable. Doesn't Hawke disrespect Bethany and doesn't strengthen her, she's a burden if forced her back to the Circle, her prison? You think Bethany doesn't feel betrayed if Hawke turns against her kind and supports her prison guards? Remember Alric and Karras, how can Hawke see ANY guarantee Meredith will restrain her dogs? And if Bethany can be safe, the others? I'm sure Bethany happy to see the mages be tranquil of a letter, or something similar. Again: At the moment Hawke doesn't know: Meredith will die. If Hawke supports the Templars, no way s/he knows, what Bethany really wants (a life with family, not a life in a prison) In this case Hawke doesn't care about how Bethany feels. S/He never respected her. How can people say: this is for her sake? Such a hypocrisy... Just some idiot parents, who know, what's the best for their adult child... Bethany's sake is the freedom. (My reason's bigger.)I've said it 3 times already so you're either ignoring it on purpose or just can't understand it. Those are actual in-game dialogues and choices/consequences but you keep using your headcanon as an 'argument' against the templars. As for your anders reasons those are nonexistent. "Nuh-uh" sentences with the smallest font size are nothing.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 13, 2018 10:44:31 GMT
I rarely play with metaknowledge. I NEED a reason how Hawke knows, s/he will able to save his/her sister and/or any mages. If s/he can't be possessed by this informations, means s/he willing to sacrifice his/her sister for an unpredictable tyrant.
I don't have (and never had) Warden Alistair, only king and drunk.
It's not (only) for Anders. This is for Hawke or Bethany. As a mage, who always was persecuted and despised, and never feared his/her/Bethany/Malcolm's abilities, only feared the Templars knocks on their door, no way to support the Templars if can fight against them. Or: only way, if s/he hates him/herself, or Bethany and Malcolm. And as I said, it's can be a reason, if Carver is a Templar, and Hawke doesn't want to confront Carver – this also a good reason, I once did it, no more, thanks... it was just uncomfortable.
Doesn't Hawke disrespect Bethany and doesn't strengthen her, she's a burden if forced her back to the Circle, her prison? You think Bethany doesn't feel betrayed if Hawke turns against her kind and supports her prison guards? Remember Alric and Karras, how can Hawke see ANY guarantee Meredith will restrain her dogs? And if Bethany can be safe, the others? I'm sure Bethany happy to see the mages be tranquil of a letter, or something similar. Again: At the moment Hawke doesn't know: Meredith will die. If Hawke supports the Templars, no way s/he knows, what Bethany really wants (a life with family, not a life in a prison) In this case Hawke doesn't care about how Bethany feels. S/He never respected her. How can people say: this is for her sake? Such a hypocrisy... Just some idiot parents, who know, what's the best for their adult child... Bethany's sake is the freedom.
(My reason's bigger.) I've said it 3 times already so you're either ignoring it on purpose or just can't understand it. Those are actual in-game dialogues and choices/consequences but you keep using your headcanon as an 'argument' against the templars. As for your anders reasons those are nonexistent. "Nuh-uh" sentences with the smallest font size are nothing. Where's my "headcanon" here? What I said against the Templars, all in-game pieces of information, and also Bethany's reactions. When Hawke arrives in Kirkwall, the first guard says, that Meredith rules the city, and the Viscount only a puppet. After this, we met with Karl, who Tranquilized because the Templars wanted to use him as a trap. If Hawke speaks with Cullen he also said, that Meredith cruel. Elthina also strengthens this. Later the nobles, plus Thrask and some ex-Templars (Samson and a guy at Gallows). Everyone sees, that Meredith's the real danger, to eliminate her will save the city (the mages going away – why would want to stay here). And Hawke can execute Anders. So: if Hawke eliminates Meredith, the city can breathe freely and choose Viscount already. If Hawke chooses the mages can see a chance to purge the city, but if s/he chooses the Templars, seems, the city's greatest problem will not be eliminated, in fact: seems strengthened by the support of the Champion. This is what Hawke can see. I'm sure there' some reasons to support Meredith, but with Bethany in the Circle this only means, Hawke doesn't care about her, or/and everything more important than Bethany. But you argue that this is for Bethany sake, what's not true. And you really think, this is the better place for arguing pro and contra Anders? You also didn't put any arguments against him here, and this is okay.
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Post by phoray on Feb 13, 2018 14:36:28 GMT
CatilinaI hugz you but the Anders debate was half of last page and over half of this one so far.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 13, 2018 14:49:29 GMT
Catilina I hugz you but the Anders debate was half of last page and over half of this one so far. Not really, rather Bethany debate on my part. Hawke can protect the mages (Bethany) even if kills Anders. It's only against the logic: oh, I so much love Bethany, I would close her in a box to keep her safe. She doesn't like that? No matter, I still LOVE her, and this is her sake, I know better...
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Post by Raga on Feb 13, 2018 18:07:22 GMT
I play around with various characters over multiple playthroughs. Whoever I like best gets put into Tier 1 "this is what *really* happened" canon. Second place character gets puts into Tier 2 "alternate reality" canon. Tier 3 is just full of generic placeholders who serve no purpose but allowing me to screw around with the world state to see how it changes.
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Post by phoray on Feb 14, 2018 0:42:37 GMT
My current '' canon '' Inquisitor just wants everyone to fuck off and leave him alone, so if DA4 is very... Inquisitor intensive, I think I might have to change him to someone else. Also, if the Inquisitor is going to die, I'm not going to let that be my sweet Qunari boyo. No, he deserves cupcakes and rainbows, not stupid heroic sacrifices or whatever. | |
I've played an Evil Hawke I didn't bother ever to bring into DAI. he would NEVER EVER IN A MILLION FADE YEARS offer himself up to save the Warden. So I totally know what you mean.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Feb 14, 2018 1:22:46 GMT
So, I am looking for some advice and thoughts about my indecision. I will ultimately have to decide for myself, but I am curious about other opinions.
I want my canon Inquisitor to be a charming (witty/funny) male Qunari. I dislike the mage class in Inquisition, so I will be playing an archer. My indecision is over the romance option.
My favorite romance is The Iron Bull, but I much prefer Bull with female characters. I actually prefer Bull with female anything but qunari (my favorite pairing would be with elves, even if I don't like playing as one. Automatic "like" if that is your thing though). My close runner-up is Lady Montilyet. I love her character, and seeing that expression when she knows she has defeated someone in a negotiation. I also like that she is a woman of color, and has a large role without actually being a party companion.
My Adaar is a dedicated Andrastian whose greatest desire is acceptance and belonging. I feel like Josephine is a good match for this character. But I wonder sometimes if I should break my streak of having a human in the pairing. I romanced Leliana, and then had to be Hawke, Shepard, and Ryder, so I haven't actually had a non-human pairing yet. Or if I should split up my straight Hawke by having my gay Qunari before my straight Qunari (hoping to play that mage in DA4).
Within the context of my own reasoning, my variety list leans towards Bull, while the story I want to tell leans more towards Josie. I guess I'm just looking for that little nudge.
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Post by phoray on Feb 14, 2018 1:29:23 GMT
ewigDunkelheitSo are the only options Bull and Jose? and then your goal is just not to play a human with either?
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Feb 14, 2018 1:54:41 GMT
ewigDunkelheit So are the only options Bull and Jose? and then your goal is just not to play a human with either? Yes, I'm set on male Qunari Inquisitor, I'm just waffling back and forth in my head. It's nice to step outside the internal discourse, and bounce some of the concepts around in a dialogue, or this case, forum.
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Post by phoray on Feb 14, 2018 2:04:01 GMT
ewigDunkelheit So are the only options Bull and Jose? and then your goal is just not to play a human with either? Yes, I'm set on male Qunari Inquisitor, I'm just waffling back and forth in my head. It's nice to step outside the internal discourse, and bounce some of the concepts around in a dialogue, or this case, forum. I'd go beauty and the beast and embrace that Disney Princess.
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Post by Tittus on Feb 14, 2018 2:25:46 GMT
All my canon protagonists are female human. As my Cousland's a warrior and my Hawke's a rogue, I made a point of playing as a mage in Inquisition, even if I didn't like playing as one just to get the full set( and I have a desire that we would get a quest where the parte is formed of all our mc, but that won't ever happen). If we can play as a quanari in DA4, I can make a second world state with one protagonist of each race.
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