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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2018 3:44:35 GMT
When phoray summons people from the far reaches of the BSN this is what goes through my head: I totally used the phrasing, "I call upon!" intentionally. Now I wonder what kind of Pokemon PapaC would be.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Feb 23, 2018 4:56:17 GMT
Is mage gameplay any good in Inquisition? If not, does the dialogue and story help make up for the deficiencies? This is beyond me, as it's about the Feeling of Builds and gameplay. Especially since you are wanting to play a DAI mage, and I barely tolerate DAI mages (and love DAO mages) When phoray summons people from the far reaches of the BSN this is what goes through my head: I totally used the phrasing, "I call upon!" intentionally. Now I wonder what kind of Pokemon PapaC would be. I just discovered the tagging system, so I hope there isn't a hidden clause that I am violating, or that I am abusing it in pestering you guys. But thanks for responding. I was approaching the question from both perspectives. Whether actual gameplay is any good if I am avoiding being an exploding elements type of mage, or that the narrative of the role is interesting on its own. Since I don't really need magical explosions and push-awesome-button abilities for my enjoyment, it is sounding like the mage class is fairly mediocre. I will ruminate some more on this.
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I just discovered the tagging system, so I hope there isn't a hidden clause that I am violating, or that I am abusing it in pestering you guys. But thanks for responding. No, no! Sorry if you got that impression. Tagging is super useful. I was just teasing phoray because I've seen her summoning quite a few people recently and the visual made me laugh.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 23, 2018 9:36:12 GMT
My canon world state would be combining my favorite playthroughs. Typically honorable male Cousland warrior (getting busy with Morrigan,) my mage-hating mage femHawk (it's a self-loathing thing,) and a true believer mage femQuizzy (damned bleeding heart). Although as much as I play these games I'll try pretty much every permutation at some point.
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2018 13:16:12 GMT
I was approaching the question from both perspectives. Whether actual gameplay is any good if I am avoiding being an exploding elements type of mage, or that the narrative of the role is interesting on its own. I'm terrible at building any class in general. I sign up for a skill/spell that sounds good, and then MEH, it's not good at all. Like, the idea of walking bomb sounds neat, and everyone seems to love it, like it's super OP and badass. But I tried that sort of entropy tree in DAO and it super irritated me that the Darkspawn could shrug off the attack when my Warden was still lower level. This outcome makes no sense to me, they can't "shrug off" a lightning strike so why can they shrug off this other spell? I also signed up for Snowstorm and Fire Apocalypse (whatever they're called) then watched at my companions burned or slid around falling on their ass. So I dropped both those spells and moved to Lightning Storm. Lightning storm damaged the baddies, and sucked mana out of the enemy mages, but none of my companions fell over or ran around on fire. I also heavily lean towards classes with movement. It's possible that DAI mages are just as good as other DA mages but the fact that they stand in one place to do all of their magic irritates me. Here I am- 100 yards from the battle, can't really see what's going on naturally. So I have to go to Tactical screen to place a glyph here or there. The Storm spells have cool effects(look, everyone looks snowed on) but otherwise don't seem to do much damage. So I feel like I'm just standing there, casting barrier when available. In between casting whatever of the WHOLE EIGHT SKILLS I got otherwise, (two of which are rift abilities that never seem to be available during an actual difficult fight)...so what do I have left. Ok, the barrier is done. Two Rift abilities aren't there. I got Fade Step to at least be able to run away, but don't need that. Ok, so 4 spells to choose from. Probably two are boring as F glyphs. I dunno. I just feel like I'm going "spell #1, pew pew, spell #2, pew pew, spell #3, pew pew, spell #4, pew pew- oh, barrier is available again!" That all said, Knight Enchanter (the one with the Light Saber in DAI, Vivv's class) is the one I can best tolerate, because I can at least move around to do damage to whack people in betweeen glyphs and pew pews. BUT, I just feel like I'm not the usual player on this matter, everyone else seems to think Mage in DAI is awesome. DAO mage style suits me far better. No, no! Sorry if you got that impression. Tagging is super useful. I was just teasing phoray because I've seen her summoning quite a few people recently and the visual made me laugh. I just know my experts. I hang round here often and long enough ^^ Like, I'd call upon! vertigomez for a Sera Romance Question. And maybe a Dwarf or Qunari Race question.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Feb 24, 2018 1:45:09 GMT
I just meant narrative in the sense of the story being told, and what, if any, layers or depth is added by using this specific class. I only play as a human if no other option is presented. I checked out the link you provided, and didn't care for any of the builds presented. The Support+Combo build gets closer to that type of thing I like, but it was still more damage oriented than I would want. Actually the list did give me a curious idea about a Ring of Doubt and Blade of Tidarion pseudo-multiclass type build. But I am leaning qunari and wouldn't want a heavy melee orientation. The idea makes me lean towards an elf. Actually on the multiclass topic, I was going back through some schematics the other day, and saw that I could give a dwarf (or other race) dual-wielding axes, wear Silverite-crafted heavy armor, and pretend to be a warrior. Or use the axes, wear cloth armor, and mix front-facing Twin Fangs, some stealth, Hook & Tackle, and the Tempest tree for a jack/jill of all trades.
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Post by warden on Feb 24, 2018 2:08:21 GMT
I just meant narrative in the sense of the story being told, and what, if any, layers or depth is added by using this specific class. I only play as a human if no other option is presented. I checked out the link you provided, and didn't care for any of the builds presented. The Support+Combo build gets closer to that type of thing I like, but it was still more damage oriented than I would want. Actually the list did give me a curious idea about a Ring of Doubt and Blade of Tidarion pseudo-multiclass type build. But I am leaning qunari and wouldn't want a heavy melee orientation. The idea makes me lean towards an elf. Actually on the multiclass topic, I was going back through some schematics the other day, and saw that I could give a dwarf (or other race) dual-wielding axes, wear Silverite-crafted heavy armor, and pretend to be a warrior. Or use the axes, wear cloth armor, and mix front-facing Twin Fangs, some stealth, Hook & Tackle, and the Tempest tree for a jack/jill of all trades. I never meant you had to use them, it was meant to "give" you an idea or "inspire" you to do your own thing, what will you do I couldn't care less about it.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 24, 2018 2:53:42 GMT
It really comes down to romances for two out of the three games. In Origins it was decided by who I liked more as a romance between Morrigan and Leliana because I didn’t change anything else in the two playthroughs. Class, sex, decisions, etc. I was always a male warrior who made the same decisions. Leliana won that battle so that playthrough became canon.
Dragon Age 2 has always been the same no matter how many times I’ve played it. A male warrior Hawke with a humorous attitude who romances Isabela, sides with the mages and makes sure Bethany survives at all costs.
It’s Inquisition where I really explored with different races, sexes and classes. I had male human warriors, male human mages, male elf warriors, male qunari mages and finally a female dwarf rogue. What really decided my canon in Inquisition was how much I enjoyed the Sera romance. I had mostly romanced Cassandra and Josephine once with all of my male characters but it was the romance with Sera that really clicked with me and that’s how I decided that my female rogue dwarf was my canon. I didn’t really need to change my usual race (Human) or class (Warrior) to romance Sera, but I figured if I was going to change from male to female I might as well go for something completely different and went with a dwarf rogue.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Feb 25, 2018 1:28:04 GMT
I suppose I have developed a growing list of reasons that help determine my canon. Romances, races, and story beats aside, I think I am drawn to elements that are favored the least. As in, if I haven't fully decided what I will go with as I play through the game, I sometimes gravitate to races, romances, abilities, classes, and builds that are not as popular.
After all of the back and forth discussion, some small tidbits of information led me to veer away from my former declaration a couple of pages ago. My canon, Andrastian Adaar will definitely be female, romancing Blackwall or possibly Josephine, and mashing the Tempest specialization together with a couple of other trees, donning some unconventional equipment, and playing as a triple-class-hybrid. If we make it to Dragon Age 5, this might allow me to have a ranged rogue, a melee rogue, a jill-of-all-trades, a mage, and a warrior. That's the kind of variety that "tickles me pink."
EDIT: It didn't occur to me at first, but I was able to come up with a decent triple hybrid build focusing on the bow instead, so I will keep my male Adaar romancing Josie after all.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 25, 2018 2:31:03 GMT
I think I am drawn to elements that are favored the least. As in, if I haven't fully decided what I will go with as I play through the game, I sometimes gravitate to races, romances, abilities, classes, and builds that are not as popular. Oh god, I feel you on this. I called myself a hipster in another thread because I'm turned off if an option is too popular. Romancing Alistair as a female human noble and becoming his queen? Nooope. Playing every game as a male human warrior who romances the perceived 'leading lady'? Nooope. Solasmancing female elven mage? Nooooope. No insult intended to anyone who enjoys those things. I guess I'm just contrary. (The big exception is DA2, 'cause snarky mage Hawke is hugely popular and Fenris and Isabela are popular LIs.) That said, I'm very tentatively thinking this will be my canon: DAO: f!Aeducan S&S warrior, Champion and Berserker spec, duped by her brother, romances (and hardens) Leliana, sides with the mages because Wynne knows more about this demon crap than she does, preserves the Anvil, acknowledges that Bhelen outplayed her and puts him on the throne (but not before embarrassing him in front of the warrior caste and letting all of Orzammar know Branka entrusted her with determining Orzammar's future, she a salty bitch), puts Alistair and Anora on that other throne, conscripts Loghain and has him do the DR with Morrigan. DA2: m!Hawke mage, Force mage spec, romances Fenris, Carver survives and becomes a Warden, doesn't approve of Petrice's shenanigans, duels the Arishok, sides with Larius during Legacy, sides with the mages but condemns Anders. Sebastian doesn't march on Kirkwall. DAI: f!Adaar mage, Rift Mage spec, romances Sera, disbands the Templar Order, has Briala + puppet Gaspard ruling Orlais, doesn't exile the Wardens, sends Blackwall to the Wardens, lets Calpernia run off to reform Tevinter, lets Morrigan drink from the Well of Sorrows 'cause fuck that noise, resolves to put an end to Solas once she finds out he's responsible for....... everything..... and apparently wants to be responsible for a whole lot more. Softened Leliana as Divine.
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Post by mikoto on Mar 4, 2018 22:18:47 GMT
Ah an interesting thread. Let's see... Its a good question. I suppose I have three worldstates I favour though I'd be hard pressed to decide which one is my 'canon' worldstate.
So my first one is Elizabeth Amell, a blonde haired, blue eyed, pale skinned Spirit Healer/Shapeshifter mage. She didn't exactly 'romance' anyone though she did have a bit of a fling with Zevran. (AKA I never got his affinity high enough to get given that gift.) I did metagame a bit as she was far from my first Warden and I wanted what was best for Ferelden. So she sides with the mages during broken circle, she saves Redcliff, Isolde and Connor afterwards. She doesn't defile the urn. She makes peace between Zathrien and the Spirit, curing the werewolf condition in recruiting the Dalish. She destroys the Anvil and puts Bhelen on the throne of Orzammar. At the Landsmeet she persuades Alistair and Anora to marry and recruits Loghain as a Grey Warden. She refuses Morrigan her dark ritual and has Loghain redeem himself by taking the final blow to the Archdemon. In Awakening she recruits all available party members and kills the Architect.
Sophie Hawke, a black haired, blue eyed, pale skinned S&S warrior who romances Fenris. She leaves Bethany behind when she goes to the Deep Roads so she ends up in the Circle. She doesn't approve of Petrice's shennanigans and sends Feynriel to study with the Dalish and eventually saves him, mind intact. She recruits Isabela but doesn't get her affinity high enough to return with the Tome. (Done on purpose since I despise the Qunari and very much likes the idea of the Tome staying out of their hands.) She ends up killing the Arishok and his men in a good 'ole blood bath. (Again because I hate the Qunari.) She consistently sides with the mages all throughout the story and eventually sides against Meredith at the end. She spares Anders and makes him fight alongside her. In Legacy she sides with Larius.
Natasha Trevelyan, a red haired, green eyed female Rift Mage who ends up romancing Cullen. She recruits the mages as allies and has the Wardens work for the Inquisition. She puts Celene on the throne alone with both Gaspard and Briala removed from play. She follows through the quest that reduces the effectiveness of Samson's armour and allows Morrigan to drink from the Well of Sorrows. She wants to redeem Solas having been inspired by Elizabeth's choice to redeem Loghain. Hardened Leliana as Divine.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My "Pure mage" playthrough and probably most likely to become canon. You'll notice many of my decisions are similar.
Eliza Surana, blond haired, blue eyed, pale skinned Spirit Healer/Shapeshifter mage who again has a fling with Zevran without actually committing to a hard romance. (Honestly because I don't really like any of the romance options in DAO for a straight female.) Again she sides with the mages during broken circle, she saves Redcliff, Isole and Connor. She doesn't defile the Urn. She cures the werewolves when recruiting the Dalish. She destroys the Anvil and puts Bhelen on the throne of Orzammar with help from Shayle. On the way through her trip through Ferelden she does as many side quests to help people as possible, such as helping Dagna get recruited into the Circle. At the Landsmeet she wins by landslide and makes Anora and Alistair marry while recruiting Loghain. She refuses Morrigan's dark ritual and Loghain redeems himself by taking the final blow on the Archdemon. In Awakening she recruits all available party members and kills the Architect.
Olivia Hawke, black haired, blue eyed, pale skinned Spirit Healer/Force Mage who chooses not to romance any of her companions. (Again because I felt all the romances for a straight female mage in DA2 were poor. Hard to romance an elf who hates your kind and cannot keep his word.) She does Carver's side quest during act 1 and leaves him behind when she goes to the Deep Roads which means he goes off to become a Templar. (Admittedly both of these choices suck balls. He has to become either a drug addict or tainted. Yeah thanks a lot Avaline. Could have prevented all of that if you hadn't stopped him becoming a city guardsman.) She doesn't approve of Petrice's shennanigans and eventually saves Feynriel with his mind intact. Olivia recruits Isabela who runs off with the Tome of Koslun and doesn't return. Olivia then slaughters the Arishok and his men. (Same reasons, I hate Qunari.) Again she consistently sides with the mages all through the story and sides against Meredith at the end. She spares Anders and has him fight alongside her as a chance to help redeem himself, inspired by Eliza's choice with Loghain. She doesn't condemn his actions as she sorta believes him. During Legacy she sides with Larius.
Sophie Trevelyan, blond haired, blue eyed, pale skinned Rift Mage who romances Cullen. (Of all the romances for a straight female human, his is the least disagreeable. Its simply a personal preference.) She recruits the mages as allies and has the Wardens work for the Inquisition. She reconciles Briala and Celene. She follows through the quest to weaken Samson'r armour and lets Morrigan drink from the Well of Sorrows. She has a hardened Leliana become Divine. (I really like Leliana's reformations particularly regarding mages and I feel the hardened version has the sheer gumption needed to enforce those changes.) She wants to redeem Solas, inspired by Eliza's choice in redeeming Loghain.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And finally my third, where most of the changes occurr.
Demiriz Aeducan, who has brown hair, blue eyes and pale skin. He's a S/S warrior who specs into Berserker and Templar. He romances Morrigan. In his origin story he beds the noble hunter Marda? Mardy? Can't quite remember the name. He also refuses to believe Bhelen's story about Trian as he tends to see the best in his older brother despite his attitude. This means that he didn't actually kill Trian himself-just more blood Bhelen has on his hands. He sides with the mages during broken Circle, saves Connor, Isolde and Redcliff. He doesn't defile the urn. He cures the werewolves while recruiting the Dalish. In Orzammar he's sorely tempted to side with Harrowmont, but can't bear the thought of the throne without an Aeducan on it so he reluctantly acknowledges Bhelen outplayed him and honestly by now Demiriz has become a fully committed Grey Warden. He does however insist that Bhelen accept Mardy(sp?) and his baby son into House Aeducan. He destroys the Anvil and places Bhelen on the throne, but not before making sure everyone knows Caridin gave the choice to him. He's somewhat surprised when Bhelen re-accepts him into House Aeducan though he grimly notes his brother can afford to be nice to him now he's not a contender for the throne. At the Landsmeet Demiriz executes Loghain and has Alistair and Anora marry. He accepts Morrigan's dark ritual at Redcliff and takes the final blow himself knowing that he won't die from it. In Awakening he recruits all available party members and spares the Architect.
Natasha Hawke - To spare you all a lot of reading, see my previous "Olivia Hawke" for all the details ingame.
Eliza Lavellan, who has blonde hair, blue eyes and ever-so-slightly tanned skin. She is a Rift Mage who romances Solas. She recruits and allies with the mages and has the Wardens work for the Inquisition. She reconciles Briala and Celene. She follows through the quests to weaken Samson's armour and drinks from the Well of Sorrows herself, feeling that an elf should be the one to inherit that knowledge over some suspicious, power hungry human mage. A hardened Leliana becomes Divine and naturally given her romantic feelings towards Solas she promises to redeem him.
Now I do have another worldstate worth a brief mention in which a female S/S berserker/Templar Cousland does pretty much all the same decisions as my other female Wardens just mentioned, leading to a female mage Hawke who does the same as my "Olivia Hawke" build does with a female S/S warrior Qunari/Vashoth. This one isn't quite finished yet so I'm not quite sure what decisions she'll make in regards to the Throne of Orlais and the Well of Sorrows. Its likely she won't drink however since only my elf Inquisitors feel its worth the risk. (Yeah I have a couple other worldstates not worth mentioning.) We shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 22:58:11 GMT
(Honestly because I don't really like any of the romance options in DAO for a straight female.) You don't like Alistair?
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Post by mikoto on Mar 4, 2018 23:24:20 GMT
Ah, no GoldenGail3, I don't.
There are several reasons for this. Partially because I find him a little bit of a whiny manchild, partially because if you're not a Cousland and you romance him, the best the Hero of Ferelden, the woman that literally saved the entire country, can hope for is to be his little bit on the side. And partially because of the way he reacts when you recruit Loghain. Seriously, he needs to get over himself and listen to the knowledgable senior Grey Warden Riorden. This is especially true if the Warden him/herself is from a less than honourable background such as the City Elf or the Dwarven Noble who actually killed Trian.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 1:15:28 GMT
There are several reasons for this. Partially because I find him a little bit of a whiny manchild, partially because i f you're not a Cousland and you romance him, the best the Hero of Ferelden, the woman that literally saved the entire country, can hope for is to be his little bit on the side.Yeah, no. Your wrong on that. If you actually took dedication to it, you could make him a warden by your Warden's side. Not all other female's have to be his mistresses, lol, not unless you harden him. Tho if you did and he killed Loghain and he declares himself king, and then that's your own warden's fault for deciding it would be for the best to not harden him. I'd know, I've played a Female Amell and have been banished by Alistair before, because I accidentally hardened him.
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Post by mikoto on Mar 5, 2018 18:35:18 GMT
I always harden Alistair as I genuinely believe it'll make him a better person and certainly a better king. A hardened Alistair is also the only one who will go and marry Anora even if you recruit Loghain. If you recruit recruit Loghain with an unhardened Alistair he'll refuse to go through with the wedding and run away to become a wandering drunkard. (More evidence of him being a whiny manchild.) I'm aware that with, absolute dedication to him at the cost of almost all else, you can make Anora Queen and keep Alistair by your side as a Grey Warden. (Through doing the dark ritual, something I was deeply against before DAI came out and even now I'm not convinced of the long term consequences of that decision. Regardless making a baby is a big decision. Morrigan didn't want to become a mother-she just wanted the power of the Archdemon soul.) And of course now I know about DAI, Alistair would never survive the Fade because I haven't got it in my heart to kill any of my Hawkes. One annoying ex-companion VS a beloved second playable character? Not even close. Ultimately Alistair is unsuitable for my Wardens. They want to put the good of Ferelden above theirs, or Alistair's personal wants. While some of them might have been interested in Alistair at first, and even flirted with him, once they found out he was not only the prince of Ferelden but the heir apparent that cools them down a bit. Certainly after they cure Eamon and putting him on the throne is now part of their plan. They're smart enough to realise that as a mage/elf of some kind, they have no happy future with Alistair. They realise that the best they could be is his bit on the side, his embarassing secret and that eventually he'd have to take some noblewoman to wife and produce his heirs. That turns them off, so they go have a fling with Zevran. (Who again for different reasons is similarly incompatible with them in a serious romance.) Then once Anora enters the scene just before the Landsmeet, my Warden(s) think that the best option for Ferelden is two rulers united side by side in marriage. "She rules while you lead, its perfect." And because she's a silver-tongued biotch, she gets her way. Incidentally I did do a redhead city elf female who romanced him with the same options. She even encouraged him to marry Anora so long as she could remain his 'bit on the side.' And she recruited Loghain. Afterall her induction into the Grey Wardens wasn't exactly honourable. She murdered three nobles and a slew of men in the name of revenge afterall. She thought Alistair understood that, and it broke her heart when he broke up with her after all that drama in the Landsmeet. I don't romance him as my other female Wardens to avoid their broken hearts.
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She thought Alistair understood that, and it broke her heart when he broke up with her after all that drama in the Landsmeet. I don't romance him as my other female Wardens to avoid their broken hearts. That's because you hardened him and made him duel Loghian. Trust me, I've played this game several times (tho I never got this misconception regarding Alistair's romance, because you can indeed leave Ferelden in Anora's hand if you so like, and she's a competent ruler)
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Post by mikoto on Mar 5, 2018 20:41:20 GMT
I might have to recheck the Landsmeet guides, because I know I've never had anyone duel Loghain but my Warden.
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Post by copper on Mar 5, 2018 21:08:48 GMT
She thought Alistair understood that, and it broke her heart when he broke up with her after all that drama in the Landsmeet. I don't romance him as my other female Wardens to avoid their broken hearts. That's because you hardened him and made him duel Loghian. Trust me, I've played this game several times (tho I never got this misconception regarding Alistair's romance, because you can indeed leave Ferelden in Anora's hand if you so like, and she's a competent ruler) Based on what mikoto already posted it sounds like they understand the mechanics of how to achieve a happy ending with Alistair, they just don't want to. They mentioned that they like to recruit Loghain, not accept Morrigan's ritual, and have Hawke survive the fade in Inquisition. A happy ending with Alistair contradicts all three of those things.
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Post by mikoto on Mar 6, 2018 2:05:25 GMT
Thank you Copper, that's exactly what I meant.
Granted its been quite awhile since I've played DAO and DA2 (on account of selling my old Xbox360 and have yet to re-purchase the games on my PC. Something I plan to correct soon) but at the time I did thouroughly read guides on the Landsmeet outcomes at the time to pick what's best for me personally.
I could make a happy ending with Alistair if I really wanted to, but I don't. Going back to the original topic, Alistair isn't a suitable romance companion for me personally because I value having Alistair marry Anora, recruiting Loghain and rejecting Morrigan's ritual more than having a Warden who has a 'happy ending' with Alistair-a companion I personally have a mild disliking of.
With the exception of my female Cousland who romanced Leliana, my other Wardens are straight. So that pretty much leaves Zevran. And he's nice enough to have a casual fling with but the fact he's an unrepentant assassin who will go on murdering people for gold even if I manage free him from the Crows makes him pretty incompatible with my Wardens who tend to be the typical honourable 'good guy' hero.
*Chuckles.* Actually truth is I have a bad record with most BioWare romance options both in DA and Mass Effect.
In DA2, similar problem. All my Hawkes are straight females which pretty much leaves Anders or Fenris as candidates. Anders is... incompatible on several levels. He's tainted, he's an abomination a hairs-bredth away from murder of innocents and... what he does at the end of DA2. Fenris, in my opinion of course, is a pretty decent option for a non-mage Hawke as evidenced by my warrior Hawke choosing him. And although Fenris is romancable as a mage I... just don't feel it works out. Hard to romance a guy who uncompromisingly hates 90% of her fellow mages.
DAI gives me a significantly better choice. Cullen is my default 'go to' romance because while he's got his usual BioWare angst issues his romance is pretty traditional, sweet and even leads to a proper marriage at the very end. Blackwall despite his dark history is also perfectly acceptable and my female warrior Trevelyan is romancing him. My Qunari/Vashoth female is romancing Iron Bull. I think I'm enjoying his romance the most actually.
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Post by Mark7 on Mar 6, 2018 15:27:21 GMT
By the time a new DA game is being released I tend to lose my canon,so even if i have one I've always failed in keeping the savegames or remembering choices by the time the sequel is released,too many years of gap,and too many different interests that capture my attention.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 19:07:19 GMT
That's because you hardened him and made him duel Loghian. Trust me, I've played this game several times (tho I never got this misconception regarding Alistair's romance, because you can indeed leave Ferelden in Anora's hand if you so like, and she's a competent ruler) Based on what mikoto already posted it sounds like they understand the mechanics of how to achieve a happy ending with Alistair, they just don't want to. They mentioned that they like to recruit Loghain, not accept Morrigan's ritual, and have Hawke survive the fade in Inquisition. A happy ending with Alistair contradicts all three of those things. Ah. I see. I've had a DA:I Loghain as well, and it's interesting...
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Mar 8, 2018 0:30:17 GMT
I might have to recheck the Landsmeet guides, because I know I've never had anyone duel Loghain but my Warden. I'm sure you already verified this, but you can elect any number of champions to fight in the duel. My archer warden has a dual-wielding Leliana defeat Loghain. I have heard you can even elect "Dog," but that particular champion is denied participation.
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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 8, 2018 0:50:50 GMT
I have heard you can even elect "Dog," but that particular champion is denied participation. It's one of the best comedy lines in the game. However, even though it doesn't have any consequences in-story, it does bug out some of the post-fight options. Don't do it if you want any political marriages, for example.
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Post by Sokemis on Mar 8, 2018 0:57:28 GMT
I wish they had allowed Dog to fight - seriously though, what would have been more Ferelden than letting your Mabari fight a duel of honor?
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