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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Mar 3, 2018 17:46:09 GMT
Most decent villains, who's creators weren't just shooting for slapstick violent over-the-top evil, take some sympathetic position to an extreme. Not the point. And it is obvious that they portrayed him as a violent black man who hurts his own people, and demonizing him. Me personally, I agreed with him and he was right, but the way he does it it's wrong but they put it there for a reason. Alright colour me curious, what do you think Killmonger is right about? What did you think Killmonger's ideological position was?
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Post by Obadiah on Mar 3, 2018 18:52:43 GMT
I saw some politically topical plot threads in Black Panther that I liked: Wakanda as a technologically superior isolationist society: I like the idea that this country starts off basically with Trump's position, taking care of their own, not engaging in and retreating from foreign entanglements. There was even a brief conversation between T'Challa and W'Kabi were they talk about not bringing in refugees because Wakanda would import their problems, but rather sending out their forces to dominate (and pacify?). Its all draped in the context of a peaceful utopian society with charismatic actors and carefully tailored lines, so it doesn't sound nearly as crackpot as it does in the real world. Of course, in the end they realize that there is no retreat, and opt for more outreach (that outreach in Civil War didn't go so well).
The usurping of power by outsiders: Again, I saw a bit of Trump here. The way Killmonger took over Wakanda by using their own (ridiculous) political process, with some support from latent simmering extremists, reminded me of Trump's audacious rise to power against the establishment in the US, with support from a lot of politically marginalized and, what I would consider, extreme groups. The dialog between Nakia and Okowe about where their allegiances were (to country or a leader) and how they defined that, staying and supporting country or escaping (to Canada?) or fighting reminded me of the aftermath from the election.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 3, 2018 21:13:28 GMT
Watched the whole video. Saw no evidence whatsoever of BLM involvement. If it exists and i've missed it for whatever reason then point it out to me. So how do we determine what is and isn't black lives matter? These guys are using the exact same talking points as black lives matter and behaving like black lives matters members have been shown to behave, do they need to have black lives matter tattooed on their foreheads? There are plenty examples of actual proven black lives matters members behaving inappropriate, I believe those who shut down the Bernie Sanders rally were high up Black Lives Matters members, there have been tweets by leaders of Black Lives matter talking about killing white people and cops and inciting violence, then when people take to the streets chanting the same talking points as black lives matters and doing what the leaders have incited them to do how can you say that it is not black lives matters? Where's the violence? Who died? All I see is angry people running their mouths. The KKK actually ran around killing people. They are a terrorist group on American soil and the government does nothing about it.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 3, 2018 21:23:35 GMT
Black Lives Matter is a non violent activist group speaking out against injustice. Killmonger is a bloodthirsty killer who wants to turn the tables on the oppressor through armed conflict. Completely different. That's what the movie wants everyone to think, and they made him to be violent towards black women, destroying his nation from within, and disrespecting his people and the throne. The movie is propaganda to demonize black people who are revolutionaries, and want black people to be "peaceful". You gotta read between the lines. Killmonger doesn't give a shit about Wakanda. He just wants their power. They're a means to an end. He's American. If they stand with him, fine. If they stand against him, he'll put them down in a heartbeat. If you believe in violent revolution, are you going to let a fucking Disney movie change your mind? How strong are your convictions if you are so easily swayed?
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 4, 2018 0:25:15 GMT
Not the point. And it is obvious that they portrayed him as a violent black man who hurts his own people, and demonizing him. Me personally, I agreed with him and he was right, but the way he does it it's wrong but they put it there for a reason. I dont feel as if black people got demonized in this movie. I viewed black people as human before watching the movie and I still did afterwards. And I thought Killmonger was a great villain. That's you opinion. I observed it for what it is, and it is a message that the movie is showing.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 4, 2018 0:26:19 GMT
Not the point. And it is obvious that they portrayed him as a violent black man who hurts his own people, and demonizing him. Me personally, I agreed with him and he was right, but the way he does it it's wrong but they put it there for a reason. Alright colour me curious, what do you think Killmonger is right about? What did you think Killmonger's ideological position was? I believe you already know the answer to that question.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 4, 2018 0:32:01 GMT
That's what the movie wants everyone to think, and they made him to be violent towards black women, destroying his nation from within, and disrespecting his people and the throne. The movie is propaganda to demonize black people who are revolutionaries, and want black people to be "peaceful". You gotta read between the lines. Killmonger doesn't give a shit about Wakanda. He just wants their power. They're a means to an end. He's American. If they stand with him, fine. If they stand against him, he'll put them down in a heartbeat. If you believe in violent revolution, are you going to let a fucking Disney movie change your mind? How strong are your convictions if you are so easily swayed? As I said, that's what the movie wanted the character to be, and demonizing a black revolutionary is fuel by anger to kill and hurt anyone even his own people.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 4, 2018 0:35:28 GMT
So how do we determine what is and isn't black lives matter? These guys are using the exact same talking points as black lives matter and behaving like black lives matters members have been shown to behave, do they need to have black lives matter tattooed on their foreheads? There are plenty examples of actual proven black lives matters members behaving inappropriate, I believe those who shut down the Bernie Sanders rally were high up Black Lives Matters members, there have been tweets by leaders of Black Lives matter talking about killing white people and cops and inciting violence, then when people take to the streets chanting the same talking points as black lives matters and doing what the leaders have incited them to do how can you say that it is not black lives matters? Where's the violence? Who died? All I see is angry people running their mouths. The KKK actually ran around killing people. They are a terrorist group on American soil and the government does nothing about it. They know. White people just want to demonize black people who are protesting against racial injustice against police. And America started as evil and racist so this would be expected.
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Post by Gecko on Mar 4, 2018 0:51:51 GMT
Fuck this shit... This is not the place to discuss politics and/or racism. If you want to continue the debate, take it here: Political discussion
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