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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 20, 2018 8:12:26 GMT
Forum discussions on microtransactions, monetization, live services and lootboxes on any specific game often turn into a general debate. So here's a thread for that general discussion to keep dedicated threads vaguely on-topic.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 23, 2018 0:02:12 GMT
Hm... No MTXs in Cyberpunk 2077 according to: DSOGAMING
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 25, 2018 0:59:49 GMT
Hm... No MTXs in Cyberpunk 2077 according to: DSOGAMINGIn many cases MTXs had been applied right before the game was about to ship. For many critic reviews MTXs had been turned off for the review copies to not draw negative attention to the game.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 25, 2018 17:36:18 GMT
In many cases MTXs had been applied right before the game was about to ship. For many critic reviews MTXs had been turned off for the review copies to not draw negative attention to the game. At the very least I can almost guarantee that Cyberpunk won't have any MT in SP, and likely will be very careful with any monetization of the MP element. I don't know what will happen in the future, but currently at the very least, CDPR is riding hard (PR-wise) on the dislike for exploitative monatization and the larger gaming corporations. Going back on their word when they have been outspoken about not taking that road, makes very little sense for them. I'm rooting for CDPR, I really am. I hope they follow up their bold words with decisive, unequivocal action. But I also won't be surprised if they break their word or weasel out of it in some way. It's business and greed is a powerful thing. And, even if they keep their word in both letter and spirit, expectations for the game itself might just be too high. TW3 is a very hard act to follow and a stumble or three is inevitable. They may keep their word, but produce a flawed or mediocre game.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 28, 2018 15:14:50 GMT
But there wont be a Disney to pull anything from Anthem. I don't think they will need a Disney. They know the mood of the gaming public and the risk of Anthem bombing. I think they will play it safe.
Play it safe? No doubt.
Pity that this monetization scheme is here to stay. It has become, after all, the pub's profit cash cow.
Oh, how I wish that one of the two proposed bills (2686 and 2727) in the state of Hawaii gets passed. It would start the anti LB/MTx ball rolling.
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Post by Wulfram on Mar 29, 2018 0:48:12 GMT
Everyone is so forgiving about "cosmetic LBs" but if this will be the only type LB allowed for the industry, "cosmetic" will become a necessity pretty fast. All it needs to become one is to make default appearance hideous. Remember those "beige pajamas" in DAI? Now imagine it as the only default option for multiplayer game. Technically, you can play. On practice - you will be sick of your look in a matter of minutes. And if it's a single player game - just make outfits especially unmoddable and sell cool armor for additional money. Profit! No, I do not know the solution here. Probably Jim Sterling is right and the only way is to keep LBs but make base games free. At list it will be in line with monetisation. I think that's questionable psychology. If the character can't look cool in the default, then you'll never attract the player into playing dress-up. You give the new customer some of the good stuff so they get hooked.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 29, 2018 8:28:35 GMT
Microtransactions in Far Cry 5 are a 'looming cloud stalking you'.I wish I could ignore Yong's clickbait as easily as I ignore the microtransactions in this game.
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Post by Amirit on Mar 29, 2018 9:44:24 GMT
Everyone is so forgiving about "cosmetic LBs" but if this will be the only type LB allowed for the industry, "cosmetic" will become a necessity pretty fast. All it needs to become one is to make default appearance hideous. Remember those "beige pajamas" in DAI? Now imagine it as the only default option for multiplayer game. Technically, you can play. On practice - you will be sick of your look in a matter of minutes. And if it's a single player game - just make outfits especially unmoddable and sell cool armor for additional money. Profit! No, I do not know the solution here. Probably Jim Sterling is right and the only way is to keep LBs but make base games free. At list it will be in line with monetisation. I think that's questionable psychology. If the character can't look cool in the default, then you'll never attract the player into playing dress-up. You give the new customer some of the good stuff so they get hooked. Good point. Though, there is such thing as "temporary goods" - a very common feature in Asian games. You get to own for a while something cool, then you loose it and would pay anything to get it back. Or the case of DAI - you do look cool outside of your Keep, but inside (and you spend enough time there) you had to ware that horror for a dress. Without the way to change it (at first). No, DAI did not do it to force MT on us, but that way is so easy and tempting...
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 29, 2018 10:57:04 GMT
Microtransactions in Far Cry 5 are a 'looming cloud stalking you'.I wish I could ignore Yong's clickbait as easily as I ignore the microtransactions in this game. What are they? I saw one review mentioning only outfits.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 29, 2018 14:09:35 GMT
Microtransactions in Far Cry 5 are a 'looming cloud stalking you'.I wish I could ignore Yong's clickbait as easily as I ignore the microtransactions in this game. Haha...ah, Yong, the ultimate clickbait youtuber...
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 29, 2018 21:36:25 GMT
And now, If only EA would be willing to propagate their SWBF2 business model to never offer paid 'loot boxes' to all their games. From article : No paid LBsSeems like EA made Disney lose their "family friendly" face and/or wish to continue having the Star Wars game franchise. Nevertheless, MTxes for cosmetics item are probably still in the works. I just cannot see EA giving up this lucrative model. Let's hope that Bio can be creative with Anthem and that EA gives them the latitude to implement a "soft" mtx model with an acceptable character progression system.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Mar 30, 2018 7:19:19 GMT
Microtransactions in Far Cry 5 are a 'looming cloud stalking you'.I wish I could ignore Yong's clickbait as easily as I ignore the microtransactions in this game. Haha...ah, Yong, the ultimate clickbait youtuber... Clickbait? Maybe but he gives concise updates of what the publishers and devs are doing. He's the shortcut, imo. I'm not inclined to swim through numerous websites and pages. Ultimately, what I think of the developments are my own.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 30, 2018 8:08:07 GMT
Haha...ah, Yong, the ultimate clickbait youtuber... Clickbait? Maybe but he gives concise updates of what the publishers and devs are doing. He's the shortcut, imo. I'm not inclined to swim through numerous websites and pages. Ultimately, what I think of the developments are my own. To each his own...I remember his videos in regards to ME:A's patches and he couldn't be bothered to get most of it right...but it was concise, though.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 30, 2018 13:48:26 GMT
Microtransactions in Far Cry 5 are a 'looming cloud stalking you'.I wish I could ignore Yong's clickbait as easily as I ignore the microtransactions in this game. What are they? I saw one review mentioning only outfits. Apparently, they are for buying "silver bars" you use those instead of in-game money to easily buy certain "signature" weapons and some other stuff. 2 things: 1. There are silver bars in the game also that you find through exploration, however how often you come by those, or how many are there, it's unknown to me. 2. You can still buy that stuff using in-game money, silver bars are a shortcut. Question is, can you buy everything with in-game money or are some things locked behind silver bars only? Is everything stupidly high priced to encourage you to buy it with real life money, or is more or less balanced?
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 30, 2018 14:07:25 GMT
Microtransactions in Far Cry 5 are a 'looming cloud stalking you'.I wish I could ignore Yong's clickbait as easily as I ignore the microtransactions in this game. What are they? I saw one review mentioning only outfits. Outfits and some weapons and cars. Although honestly...you hunt and fish for a few hours you can amass a small fortune to pay for most of them normally anyway. Finding prepper stashes in Far Cry 5 also boosts that number.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 3, 2018 0:34:27 GMT
There's a mod for the original Doom that's a satire of the whole loot box concept.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 5, 2018 1:06:31 GMT
at former BW dev's responses; doesn't change my perspective of EA.
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 5, 2018 2:08:36 GMT
at former BW dev's responses; doesn't change my perspective of EA. Just finished watching it. Honestly, we can't really expect him to be real here, he's still working for EA, there're NDAs and stuff, and he wouldn't want to piss his employees, plus he has to be respectful. So I find hard to believe him here. I do agree with some aspects, people obviously take the EA hatred to the extremes, to the point of branding all EA games scummy without real reason. In other aspects like the engine choice... ehhhhm, yeah... I really don't think he doesn't regret it. Granted, is not like there were 10 different engines to choose from, so they probably felt alright with it when EA offered it (or rather told them to use it) but Frosbite really isn't built for RPGs, and if they wanted the engine to be used for everything, they should've dedicated people and time to modify it instead of tossing the thing to the devs and expecting them to have everything done overnight when they should be focusing in actually making games, instead of adapting an engine to suit their needs.
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 7, 2018 4:17:27 GMT
Extra Credits recently posted this interesting video...
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Post by simit on Apr 10, 2018 0:19:20 GMT
I welcome MTX with open arms if done properly of which none of the big publishers seem willing to do, simply take the gambling lootbox shit out an put a store in game either via a tab or npc with direct purchase of what i want, just be goddamn open about it an dont rattle things like xp/in game currency etc etc to force ppl into the shop, ppl will willingly buy of the store if the games good an the items worth it.
There a market for mtx in AAA games it just needs done right an sensibly an i for one would've welcomed them in cyberpunk if done so instead of none at all
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