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Post by Cantina on Apr 8, 2018 8:25:57 GMT
Since playing Origins it occurred to me that Morrigan’s reasons are not mentioned.
Let me explain.
In Origins, Morrigan receives both of her mother’s grimoires.
Later in the game, Morrigan offers to perform a ritual that produces a child; however, I will not include this because not everyone did the ritual.
So, bypassing the ritual and going straight to “Witch Hunt” we find out Morrigan stole a tome and managed to reactivate an Eluvian.
Which starts all the unanswered question.
Why did Morrigan suddenly become interested in the ancient elves? Furthermore, why was she so interested in the Eluvians? And how the hell did she managed to reactivate an Eluvian with just a Dalish tome and some magic?
It’s highly unlikely Morrigan just woke up one day and decided to take an interest in the ancient elves.
Was there something in Flemeth’s Grimoires?
Then fast-forward and Empress Celene “employs” Morrigan to reactivate another Eluvian.
Was this mirror Breala’s?
If it was or was not, why did Celene/Breala want it reactivated? Let alone know what it was or what it could do?
How did Celene know to contact Morrigan, let alone where since Morrigan walked through the mirror.
Anyone got any solid answers to this?
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Are we all wondering the same questions?
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Post by davesin on Apr 8, 2018 9:44:25 GMT
Obsession with Ancient elves It didn't came out of nowhere. Morrigan was always about two things: Preserve knowledge of old times and survival. Both of these things were taught to her by Flemeth, who has an ancient elven goddess inside her. My guess is that those two things are connected to her. After all, she's probably the only human who has a chance to survive Solas' big plan at this point (especially if she has knowledge of Well). Seems like meddling with ancient elves can have quite a huge payoff. Also, she apperantly enjoys what she does.
Flemeth's Grimoire and its content We didn't have a chance to read it, so... list of plot devices?
Morrigan, Celene and Eluvians Celene know about eluvians from Masked Empire (last third of the book is basically about characters finding their out of eluvian labyrinth). I suppose Last Court must take place after that. Celene probably wanted to get control over at least one of these mirrors to get some advantage (since most of the network was at hands of Briala and they broke up at the end of ME). How she contacted Morrigan is another matter. It seems they met each other prior Masked Empire (wiki says 9:37). Morrigan was hired for being someone outside of Circle. My guess is Celene needed someone other than Vivienne, so she sent Briala to find someone. I doubt Morrigan would approach empress by her own.
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Post by Cantina on Apr 8, 2018 10:23:13 GMT
Obsession with Ancient elvesIt didn't came out of nowhere. Morrigan was always about two things: Preserve knowledge of old times and survival. Both of these things were taught to her by Flemeth, who has an ancient elven goddess inside her. My guess is that those two things are connected to her. After all, she's probably the only human who has a chance to survive Solas' big plan at this point (especially if she has knowledge of Well). Seems like meddling with ancient elves can have quite a huge payoff. Also, she apperantly enjoys what she does. Flemeth's Grimoire and its contentWe didn't have a chance to read it, so... list of plot devices? Morrigan, Celene and EluviansCelene know about eluvians from Masked Empire (last third of the book is basically about characters finding their out of eluvian labyrinth). I suppose Last Court must take place after that. Celene probably wanted to get control over at least one of these mirrors to get some advantage (since most of the network was at hands of Briala and they broke up at the end of ME). How she contacted Morrigan is another matter. It seems they met each other prior Masked Empire (wiki says 9:37). Morrigan was hired for being someone outside of Circle. My guess is Celene needed someone other than Vivienne, so she sent Briala to find someone. I doubt Morrigan would approach empress by her own. Ancient Elves: Yes, but Morrigan could have pursued Ancient Tevinter, The Avvar or any other old civilization. Furthermore, after the events of DAO, Morrigan only knowledge of what her mother is, is that she is not human. Morrigan did not know what her mother truly was until the end of DAI. Again... Why Elves? Why activate an ancient mirror?
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Post by davesin on Apr 8, 2018 10:44:22 GMT
Why Elves? Why activate an ancient mirror? Morrigan was always meddling into elven magic in some way or another. Dalish Elf Warden can remark that her abilities are similar to those of Keeper. How she learned about Eluvian is a mystery. She might heard about it from Flemeth, or read it in Flemeth's Grimoire. The point is: She needed to leave Thedas for a while to prepare herself or Kieran for some vague threat in future without being traceable by anyone. Eluvian is the only thing in DA universe that allows that How she knows about that threat is another thing. That could only come from Flemeth's knowledge. There's no indication Morrigan is some kind of seer.
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Post by Cantina on Apr 8, 2018 11:02:54 GMT
Why Elves? Why activate an ancient mirror? Morrigan was always meddling into elven magic in some way or another. Dalish Elf Warden can remark that her abilities are similar to those of Keeper. How she learned about Eluvian is a mystery. She might heard about it from Flemeth, or read it in Flemeth's Grimoire. The point is: She needed to leave Thedas for a while to prepare herself or Kieran for some vague threat in future without being traceable by anyone. Eluvian is the only thing in DA universe that allows that How she knows about that threat is another thing. That could only come from Flemeth's knowledge. There's no indication Morrigan is some kind of seer. Maybe will get lucky and DA4 will give some sort of answer(s).
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Post by Catilina on Apr 8, 2018 11:11:48 GMT
Obsession with Ancient elves It didn't came out of nowhere. Morrigan was always about two things: Preserve knowledge of old times and survival. Both of these things were taught to her by Flemeth, who has an ancient elven goddess inside her. My guess is that those two things are connected to her. After all, she's probably the only human who has a chance to survive Solas' big plan at this point (especially if she has knowledge of Well). Seems like meddling with ancient elves can have quite a huge payoff. Also, she apperantly enjoys what she does.
Flemeth's Grimoire and its content We didn't have a chance to read it, so... list of plot devices?
Morrigan, Celene and Eluvians Celene know about eluvians from Masked Empire (last third of the book is basically about characters finding their out of eluvian labyrinth). I suppose Last Court must take place after that. Celene probably wanted to get control over at least one of these mirrors to get some advantage (since most of the network was at hands of Briala and they broke up at the end of ME). How she contacted Morrigan is another matter. It seems they met each other prior Masked Empire (wiki says 9:37). Morrigan was hired for being someone outside of Circle. My guess is Celene needed someone other than Vivienne, so she sent Briala to find someone. I doubt Morrigan would approach empress by her own. Ancient Elves: Yes, but Morrigan could have pursued Ancient Tevinter, The Avvar or any other old civilization. Furthermore, after the events of DAO, Morrigan only knowledge of what her mother is, is that she is not human. Morrigan did not know what her mother truly was until the end of DAI. Again... Why Elves? Why activate an ancient mirror? Why Tevinter? According to the stories, Arlathan, the elven culture was older than Tevinter's human culture. Flemeth is an elven "god". Morrigan didn't know about it, but Flemet perhaps inspired her another way. And there was the grimoire. I suppose she activates the Eluvians, because of probably she thought, these were the connection to the ancient elves and the Fade. And (in Awakening we saw) this is a very good was to the locomotion. The Eluvians are keys to the past if Thedas, not only the elves. At least according to me.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 8, 2018 18:41:21 GMT
"Because I taught you girl." Flemeth makes this point as to why Morrigan does many of the things she does. She taught her to value the old ways and to recover and protect lost knowledge. Since Flemeth would have taught Morrigan not to believe the Chantry's version of history and may even have hinted that at least some of the Dalish beliefs about the ancient elves were true, Morrigan would be encouraged to investigate further. Morrigan certainly understood a fair bit of ancient elven which I imagine can only be because Flemeth taught her. Her ideas about some of the elven gods seemed to chime more with what Solas knew about them than the Dalish ideals. However, for some reason, Flemeth kept back the bit of information about Fen'Harel being Mythal's ally. I suspect that Morrigan knew all along about the Well of Sorrows as well as the eluvian in the Arbor Wilds but just pretended it was fresh information to her, because I'm fairly certain that Flemeth wanted her to go there.
In the Dalish origin we find an eluvian and we come from Sabrae clan, whose Keeper Marethari had a close connection to Flemeth through the latter having done her a favour in the past. It is possible that Flemeth knew about the eluvian in the cave before Morrigan left with the Warden as at some point she had to have called in the favour with Marethari and that is why the clan ended up on Sundermount. If so, she may have mentioned an elven clan finding an eluvian to Morrigan and explained what they are. Alternatively, they could have been mentioned in her grimoire. Either way, that would have given Morrigan the requisite "nudge" to discover more.
We know at the end of Origins that Morrigan has been seen crossing the Frostbacks towards Orlais. Initially that may have been when she attempted approaching the Arbor Wilds but realised it would be too dangerous to try and find the eluvian there. It is not clear exactly when Morrigan first made contact with Celene but the latter had apparently always been interested in the occult and forbidden magic, so Morrigan would likely have heard the rumours and made an initial approach herself. At first Celene probably kept her at arm's length, particularly as Court Enchanter Vivienne was said not to approve, but as Gaspard became more of a problem, probably thought Morrigan could prove useful and sent for her. It is said that Morrigan would then return every few months in the dead of night with some new item to intrigue the Empress. Clearly Celene knew nothing about eluvians before the events of Masked Empire in 9:39/9:40 but it was not long after then that Morrigan was officially introduced at Court. Whose idea it was to dredge the eluvian from the lake is anyone's guess but I would think that Morrigan was effectively manipulating Celene into thinking it was her idea to do something that Morrigan wanted. I don't know why she wanted that particular eluvian since there was already one at the Winter Palace but perhaps Morrigan thought the dredged up one could be made to operate independently of the network that Briala controlled, as proved to be the case, except Morrigan probably never admitted to Celene that she had successfully activated it.
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Post by Cantina on Apr 8, 2018 23:09:32 GMT
Ancient Elves: Yes, but Morrigan could have pursued Ancient Tevinter, The Avvar or any other old civilization. Furthermore, after the events of DAO, Morrigan only knowledge of what her mother is, is that she is not human. Morrigan did not know what her mother truly was until the end of DAI. Again... Why Elves? Why activate an ancient mirror? Why Tevinter? According to the stories, Arlathan, the elven culture was older than Tevinter's human culture. Flemeth is an elven "god". Morrigan didn't know about it, but Flemet perhaps inspired her another way. And there was the grimoire. I suppose she activates the Eluvians, because of probably she thought, these were the connection to the ancient elves and the Fade. And (in Awakening we saw) this is a very good was to the locomotion. The Eluvians are keys to the past if Thedas, not only the elves. At least according to me. Yes, but as Solas stated: "Tevinter was built on the bones of my [his] people." Considering the Dalish know very little of their Ancient ways. I feel its highly likely Tevinter has more keys to the answers. But instead Morrrigan goes straight towards the Ancient Elves. Which in turn makes me wonder what caused her to do such. "Because I taught you girl." Flemeth makes this point as to why Morrigan does many of the things she does. She taught her to value the old ways and to recover and protect lost knowledge. Since Flemeth would have taught Morrigan not to believe the Chantry's version of history and may even have hinted that at least some of the Dalish beliefs about the ancient elves were true, Morrigan would be encouraged to investigate further. Morrigan certainly understood a fair bit of ancient elven which I imagine can only be because Flemeth taught her. Her ideas about some of the elven gods seemed to chime more with what Solas knew about them than the Dalish ideals. However, for some reason, Flemeth kept back the bit of information about Fen'Harel being Mythal's ally. I suspect that Morrigan knew all along about the Well of Sorrows as well as the eluvian in the Arbor Wilds but just pretended it was fresh information to her, because I'm fairly certain that Flemeth wanted her to go there. In the Dalish origin we find an eluvian and we come from Sabrae clan, whose Keeper Marethari had a close connection to Flemeth through the latter having done her a favour in the past. It is possible that Flemeth knew about the eluvian in the cave before Morrigan left with the Warden as at some point she had to have called in the favour with Marethari and that is why the clan ended up on Sundermount. If so, she may have mentioned an elven clan finding an eluvian to Morrigan and explained what they are. Alternatively, they could have been mentioned in her grimoire. Either way, that would have given Morrigan the requisite "nudge" to discover more. We know at the end of Origins that Morrigan has been seen crossing the Frostbacks towards Orlais. Initially that may have been when she attempted approaching the Arbor Wilds but realised it would be too dangerous to try and find the eluvian there. It is not clear exactly when Morrigan first made contact with Celene but the latter had apparently always been interested in the occult and forbidden magic, so Morrigan would likely have heard the rumours and made an initial approach herself. At first Celene probably kept her at arm's length, particularly as Court Enchanter Vivienne was said not to approve, but as Gaspard became more of a problem, probably thought Morrigan could prove useful and sent for her. It is said that Morrigan would then return every few months in the dead of night with some new item to intrigue the Empress. Clearly Celene knew nothing about eluvians before the events of Masked Empire in 9:39/9:40 but it was not long after then that Morrigan was officially introduced at Court. Whose idea it was to dredge the eluvian from the lake is anyone's guess but I would think that Morrigan was effectively manipulating Celene into thinking it was her idea to do something that Morrigan wanted. I don't know why she wanted that particular eluvian since there was already one at the Winter Palace but perhaps Morrigan thought the dredged up one could be made to operate independently of the network that Briala controlled, as proved to be the case, except Morrigan probably never admitted to Celene that she had successfully activated it. No offense but: 1. Most of this I already know And 2. Assumptions. I am seeking actual clear cut proof of "Why." We know that Flemeth raised and taught Morrigan, but we know so little of what Flemeth did teach her. Even Morrigan states, that her mother kept things from her. As I said, maybe down the road the real reason will be revealed.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 8, 2018 23:17:40 GMT
Why Tevinter? According to the stories, Arlathan, the elven culture was older than Tevinter's human culture. Flemeth is an elven "god". Morrigan didn't know about it, but Flemet perhaps inspired her another way. And there was the grimoire. I suppose she activates the Eluvians, because of probably she thought, these were the connection to the ancient elves and the Fade. And (in Awakening we saw) this is a very good was to the locomotion. The Eluvians are keys to the past if Thedas, not only the elves. At least according to me. Yes, but as Solas stated: "Tevinter was built on the bones of my [his] people." Considering the Dalish know very little of their Ancient ways. I feel its highly likely Tevinter has more keys to the answers. But instead Morrrigan goes straight towards the Ancient Elves. Which in turn makes me wonder what caused her to do such. But why would she go to Tevinter, when he has a way straight to the roots through the Eluvian?
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Post by phoray on Apr 8, 2018 23:24:39 GMT
Considering how many times they've patched together the story (they didn't have a Lore Bible until after DA2) all of these questions in and of themselves are irrelvant. They may never be answered. They may have outright been forgotten facts. I only expect true cohesion from DAI and on. So all we have are assumptions and rationalizations to peice together a cohesive story between DAO, DA2, and DAI.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 9, 2018 12:26:26 GMT
No offense but: 1. Most of this I already know And 2. Assumptions. I am seeking actual clear cut proof of "Why." No offence taken but you asked questions and I tried to answer them from what I knew and what can be gleaned from the various official sources. However, as Phoray points out, even if what we assume is true that doesn't mean that the writers may not decide to change things further down the line. For example, in the Dalish Origin, Duncan knows about eluvians and says that they are associated with Tevinter, although the hint was always there that the reason it was part of the elven origin was because of links to them. It was found in an underground complex that seemed to combine both Tevinter and elven architecture. There was at least one statue to an elven god there. A comment can be made that it looks like humans and elves were living in the same place and worshipping an elven god. Now all this can later be revealed by further discoveries, say up in Tevinter, to explain what was going on here, or it could have simply been a possible idea for past events that was later dropped. We can speculate as much as we like, that is half the fun, but nothing is proven until the lore is revealed. At least with Morrigan we have a plausible reason why she took such an interest in elven lore now we know who Flemeth is/was. As Imshael says in Masked Empire, you always have to respect old elven magic, which was clearly far in advance of anything Tevinter achieved. However, I always wondered why, if elven magic was so advanced, Tevinter was able to conquer them. The answer turned out to be that they didn't. What Tevinter conquered was merely a remnant of their civilisation and according to Solas the majority of their magic was long gone through the raising of the Veil. If Flemeth even hinted this might have been the case, naturally Morrigan would want to go to the source for her information than the "scavengers" of what remained. Why Morrigan acts as she does is far less problematic to me than the sudden discovery of a whole new race of beings, the Titans, in the Descent and Trespasser and being asked to believe that no one was aware of their existence until the Inquisitor just happened on the information. Or why the Dalish have remembered some of their history so accurately and yet totally forgotten other important facts, including the existence of the Titans, when the two sets of information seem so closely linked in the DLC. So I am waiting for them to explain the widespread racial amnesia that seems to have occurred among humans, dwarves, elves and, we shall no doubt discover, Qunari too.
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Post by Mark7 on Apr 9, 2018 14:27:03 GMT
Morrigan was relatively uninterested in eluvians during the events of Origins - her interest in eluvians came two years later, during Witch Hunt. Of course, Morrigan could have concealed this from us, as she did the Dark Ritual.I personally think it's much more likely this is something she's discovered in research post-blight (but not from Flemeth's grimoires as they are not mandatory). She mentions the crossroads was as much a place to hide from enemies, and likely her interest in the eluvians spawned from a practical standpoint too, as she was no longer under the protection of Flemeth or the Warden after the blight.. I also think Morrigan got damn lucky. It's made clear eluvians are really rare and difficult to find We have little idea, then, how Morrigan managed to find the one she did - luck's partially involved, and possibly some stolen maps or expertise. It's not probably going to be made clear. She had two years, her magical ability, plus her wits.We will never know how she came to knew the key was a book and that such book was in the hand of a very specific Clan that she also knew where it was.I think overall WH isn't a great DLC,it didn't had a good storyline,considering the undamaged eluvian was near the Mother's cave and wasn't even corrupted. "Because I taught you girl." Flemeth makes this point as to why Morrigan does many of the things she does. She taught her to value the old ways and to recover and protect lost knowledge. Indeed she does,but it only gave benefit to Flemeth so far,as everything that Morigan tried to preserve only gave a benefit to Flemeth.
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Post by Cantina on Apr 10, 2018 0:20:52 GMT
No offense but: 1. Most of this I already know And 2. Assumptions. I am seeking actual clear cut proof of "Why." Why Morrigan acts as she does is far less problematic to me than the sudden discovery of a whole new race of beings, the Titans, in the Descent and Trespasser and being asked to believe that no one was aware of their existence until the Inquisitor just happened on the information. Or why the Dalish have remembered some of their history so accurately and yet totally forgotten other important facts, including the existence of the Titans, when the two sets of information seem so closely linked in the DLC. So I am waiting for them to explain the widespread racial amnesia that seems to have occurred among humans, dwarves, elves and, we shall no doubt discover, Qunari too. True. Or how about the fact, suddenly the Dalish cannot have too many mages in their clans, yet previous knowledge indicates they welcome such talents. Dunno about the Dalish remembering their history accurately, I mean the player can play an elf and when Morrigan speaks to him/her about Mithal, they are completely dumbstruck.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 10, 2018 1:11:09 GMT
I think overall WH isn't a great DLC,it didn't had a good storyline, considering the undamaged eluvian was near the Mother's cave and wasn't even corrupted.For all we know, the Eluvian may have been damaged/corrupted and forced Morrigan to spend time repairing/cleansing it (like Merrill had to) before it would work, which would explain what she'd been doing over those two years in addition to located the correct key to open it. There's also the distinct possibility that Morrigan knew an Eluvian was located in the Dragonbone Wastes, but couldn't reach it safely until after the Warden-Commander killed the Mother in Awakening. Would be both fitting and serendipitous, had the Warden unwittingly been the individual to clear the path to the Eluvian for her. (Or to quote Flemeth, "Is it fate or chance, I can never decide?") This is complete speculation, mind you, but the pieces do nicely fit together for a fun little fan theory.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 10, 2018 21:06:50 GMT
Or how about the fact, suddenly the Dalish cannot have too many mages in their clans, yet previous knowledge indicates they welcome such talents. This is my favourite gripe. The Dalish teach that all their ancestors were once mages. The aim of recovering their culture is so that they remember what it is to be "true" elves. There is even a suggestion that their gods deemed them unworthy of their immortality because they "forgot" and that in contradiction of the idea that the gods were imprisoned and cannot escape, in fact they will return when the Dalish remember what it is to be a true elf. Their leaders are mages because they are deemed closer to what a true elf should be. All this suggests that every mage would be celebrated as getting them one step closer to recovering their ancient glory. Then along comes DAI and apparently mages are so feared, and Keepers are so incapable of training more than 2 at a time, that every 4th mage is dumped in the woods or told to get lost. Suddenly the very reason they keep on the move, to avoid the attention of Templars who would either kill or take their mages from them, is rendered valueless because they cull the mages for themselves. It is laughable.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 10, 2018 22:18:53 GMT
Wouldn't a clan having more mages risk more attention from Templars though, enough that simply moving would not be enough to shake of any dedicated pursuit? Why would the Dalish risk painting more of a target on their backs than they need to?
If the Templars believe the Dalish only keep two or three mages per clan, then they aren't likely to consider them a worthwhile target, because the risks of apprehending them far outweigh the rewards. Why would any sensible Knight-Commander want to risk their people being slaughtered by dozens of legendary archers, all for the sake of dragging two or more apostates to the Circle?
Even Meredith didn't bother dealing with the Sabre clan on Sundermount (unless Feynriel joined them)
And in the case of Feyrniel, it could be because his presence tipped the balance, so there were now enough mages among the Dalish to require direct Templar intervention? Or because she didn't want to set a precedent, that escaped apostates could hide among the Dalish and the Templars wouldn't touch them.
I don't really see the issue with this retcon, since it's rather pragmatic.
Having a set amount of mages in a clan avoids drawing unnecessary Templar scrutiny their way. That ensures the Keeper survives to pass onto traditions to the other mages, as well as keeping the rest of the clan safe by avoiding conflict with outsiders.
Because otherwise, if the Dalish clans were really filled with mages, wouldn't the Templars have hunted them to extinction long ago? The Dalish might be masters of bugging out when danger comes their way, but they'd never have survived this long without knowing how to avoid drawing unnecessary aggro their way.
If that means having to cast out some of their extraneous mages to ensure the clan's safety and long-term survival, that might be a necessary evil they're forced to undertake. If they had a safe haven they could live, I'm sure this wouldn't be required, but the nature of their nomadic existence requires that they consider the group over the individual. Needs of the many, and all that.
It might seem cold and callous, but it's the only option they have.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 11, 2018 13:19:45 GMT
Well actually the reason given was not to avoid the attention of Templars but because of the risk of mage possession, which is exactly the same no matter whether you have one or several. Also Merrill stated in DA2 that mages were on the decline in the Dalish, so every mage would be precious. Tell the adult mage to seek out another clan but according to "Dalish" in DAI the Keeper simply told her to get out and see the world (that always sounded suspect to me). Minaevre was only a little child. The other mages in the clan had to be older than her, so ask them to stay on the fringes and disappear if any Templars come their way (which was actually more likely the reason they left her in the woods, probably intending to come back later after the Templars had gone).
Still if this was a general rule among the Dalish and clan Lavellan were the exception, as you can claim, in not doing this (along with Sabrae clan and Zathrian's clan) then it was a retcon from DAO as the on-line Core Rule Book confirms. There it quite clearly states that within the clan there will a Keeper and their First and all other mages are considered apprentices. It also confirms that the Templars hound the Dalish no matter how many mages they think they may have. Even having just one mage, the Keeper, is considered one mage too much. Actually if your scouts spot Templars approaching, surely you just make out there are no mages or, as I say above, get them to disappear into the woods until the Templars have gone. How are they going to tell?
Don't ask me why the Templars left Sabrae clan alone for so long, unless you send Feynriel to them. Considering Kirkwall was meant to be the HQ for Templars in the region, they were surprisingly inept at policing the mages even in their own city. It was really laughable there that all the really dangerous mages were running around on the outside of the Gallows. You can actually walk into the Gallows and tell Cullen to arrest Anders with him actually standing alongside you and he still walks away from the place. Meanwhile Hawke can actually be a blood mage apostate. There were some aspects to the way the plot was managed that really didn't make sense in DA2.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 11, 2018 18:04:50 GMT
The Templars may have left the Sabrae clan alone because they were camped on Sundermount.
Kirkwallers generally avoid the mountain because of it's fearsome reputation. as a place where the Veil is thin and home to roaming bands of Fade Spirits, supposedly leftover from an ancient battle. Brother Genitivi pointedly notes the locals refusal to venture in one of his books;
"I stayed two months in Kirkwall, and despite my best efforts, I never found a guide willing to take me up the mountain."
The City Guard seems to only send the occasional, token patrol up the mountain, to make sure that the route remains clear for any merchants/travellers. It's presumably why Captain Jeven set up the ambush there, because the mountain's dangerous reputation would have meant no-one would be surprised if a guard died on that route, nor investigated further.
The lack of any Templar patrols might be a strategic decision. They know that any apostates hiding on the mountain will eventually be forced to leave (thus making it easier to capture them) or end up being killed by the dangerous creatures/spirits that dwell there (thus no longer their problem). Either way, the Templars win, without having to lift a finger.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 11, 2018 19:31:48 GMT
The Templars may have left the Sabrae clan alone because they were camped on Sundermount.
Kirkwallers generally avoid the mountain because of it's fearsome reputation. as a place where the Veil is thin and home to roaming bands of Fade Spirits, supposedly leftover from an ancient battle. Brother Genitivi pointedly notes the locals refusal to venture in one of his books;
"I stayed two months in Kirkwall, and despite my best efforts, I never found a guide willing to take me up the mountain."
The City Guard seems to only send the occasional, token patrol up the mountain, to make sure that the route remains clear for any merchants/travellers. It's presumably why Captain Jeven set up the ambush there, because the mountain's dangerous reputation would have meant no-one would be surprised if a guard died on that route, nor investigated further.
The lack of any Templar patrols might be a strategic decision. They know that any apostates hiding on the mountain will eventually be forced to leave (thus making it easier to capture them) or end up being killed by the dangerous creatures/spirits that dwell there (thus no longer their problem). Either way, the Templars win, without having to lift a finger. Just one question: how the Templars know, how many mages exactly in a clan? The three-mage-rule is very inconsistent with everything that we knew about the elves. One-kind three-mage-rule I can imagine: if a clan have more than three mages (1 Keeper, 1 First +1), they able to send one to a clan, that doesn't have three mages. Never forget: the mages are rare (according to Vivienne speaks about the war: 1:100)... even if among the elves the ratio is higher, the mage children are important – a treasure, not a curse.
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Post by Reznore on Apr 16, 2018 20:49:39 GMT
Morrigan is low key obsessed with her mom. She suspected stuff about her mother but she didn't know the whole Mythal thing. She's partly obsessed with ancient elven stuff because she put 2 and 2 together. Although she's no genius, Flemeth left her giant breadcrumbs along the way.
If you have a Dalish in DAO and chat about magic with Morrigan, I think it's mostly about shapeshifting...The Dalish warden points out it's elven/Dalish magic. And Morrigan muses it's interesting her mother magic is so intertwined with that elven knowlegde.
Also Flemeth was known to the Dalish as Asha'Bellanar. And she granted boons to some Dalish elves + in one novel Flemeth has a Dalish clan doing her bidding out of respect and fear for her. Morrigan wasn't born but surely she eventually had to notice the difference between the Chasind and the Dalish when it comes to Flemeth.
And once Morrigan figured her mother was somewhat related to elven stuff, thinking that Flemeth was her personal nemesis, the urge to master Elven lore, magic and knowledge is clear.
Although there is a bit of a mess when it comes to Witch Hunt and DAI. In Witch Hunt Morrigan claims she figured Flemeth out (but in DAI clearly she hadn't) then she says Flemeth is extremely dangerous for the whole world, not just herself. And that wardens should go after her, because it has something to do with the Blight. All of this is gone in DAI. Even after finding about the whole Mythal stuff, she still laments she doesn't know what Flemeth is up to and that's what worries her.
Anyway Morrigan figured early Flemeth had powerful magic related to elves. Shapeshifting is elven magic.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 18, 2018 17:33:53 GMT
One-kind three-mage-rule I can imagine: if a clan have more than three mages (1 Keeper, 1 First +1), they able to send one to a clan, that doesn't have three mages This was the original "3 mage rule", as outlined by Merrill in DA2 to explain why she had been given to Sabrae clan, because at that time all they had was Marethari. If she had died without a First, the clan would have been without a Keeper. Which is why they were permitted to adopt Merrill as her clan seemed fortunate in having more than 3 mages. Whilst it would have been hard on Merrill having to leave her birth clan, this at least made sense and her own clan would have assumed she would be treasured by her new one.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 18, 2018 17:51:42 GMT
Anyway Morrigan figured early Flemeth had powerful magic related to elves. Shapeshifting is elven magic I had forgotten this conversation between them and she does admit she probably has more in common with the elves than her own people, so it makes sense she would look to the elves first to expand her knowledge. However, whilst it seems clear from the ancient texts that shapeshifting is a skill developed by the ancient elves, clearly not all Keepers are adept at this specialism and it is surprising that the Dalish Warden knows about it considering they are not a mage and none of the mages in their own clan appear to be able to do it. So I imagine it is fairly rare to meet a Keeper who specialises in the skill and they probably either heard about it in a tale or possibly saw one transform at a gathering of the clans. Shapeshifting into a dragon clearly requires additional knowledge to achieve as Morrigan can only do this with the aid of the knowledge given by the Well (with Mythal's permission), which is withheld from a mage Inquisitor or Morrigan if she is not under Mythal's control. This would fit with the idea that only the "gods" and "their chosen" are permitted to shapeshift into dragon form and for anyone else it is regarded as high treason.
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