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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 26, 2018 4:12:06 GMT
Cailan? Close to Anora? Cailan was so close to Anora that he cheated on her multiple times and was even going to abandon her to marry Celene for a power grab and because he believed Anora infertile. If there was any betrayal between the two, it's not Anora who is the guilty one. The Cousland family is close to the Theirin family. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a Cousland wouldn't know Cailan from several parties, and if one wishes to, could possibly have imagined "The heirs of the future' growing up together as Important Families Do. I'm not sure where you got Cailan cheating on her multiple times. I believe there may be some legitimacy to the rumors about Celene based in game, but I doubt that situation made it very far. I won't deem someone not worth living for a half baked thought. And honestly, if Anora weren't so power hungry herself, she would have been, hmmm, at least understanding that her infertility was an issue for a country so set on the Therin line. Anora is willing to sell her father out for the Throne. That speaks so much more to her character than I ever could. Oh...by she you were referring to your Cousland rather than Anora. My apologies. Anora talks about it if you are a Male Cousland wanting to marry her while in a relationship with someone else. Anora asks if that would continue, mentioning how "Cailan had his women". As for the situation with Celene, yeah the game addresses it a bit like the one guard mentioning how Cailan and Loghain have been arguing about the queen. David Gaider confirmed that it was going to be a side plot but it was cut, and later referenced in the Return to Ostagar DLC. As for Anora being infertile, actually all evidence considered it is more likely that Cailan was the one who wasn't virile since despite multiple mistresses he never had any heirs from them either. As for Anora selling Loghain out, remember this is after he was going to have her killed or at least that's what appeared to be the case so yeah why would she defend him anymore? Even then she argues against killing him. She's not alone in that either, since even people like Ser Cauthrien who were super loyal step aside hoping the Warden will stop supporting him after realizing what he has done.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 26, 2018 11:37:05 GMT
Cailan? Close to Anora? Cailan was so close to Anora that he cheated on her multiple times and was even going to abandon her to marry Celene for a power grab and because he believed Anora infertile. If there was any betrayal between the two, it's not Anora who is the guilty one. The Cousland family is close to the Theirin family. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a Cousland wouldn't know Cailan from several parties, and if one wishes to, could possibly have imagined "The heirs of the future' growing up together as Important Families Do. I'm not sure where you got Cailan cheating on her multiple times. I believe there may be some legitimacy to the rumors about Celene based in game, but I doubt that situation made it very far. I won't deem someone not worth living for a half baked thought. And honestly, if Anora weren't so power hungry herself, she would have been, hmmm, at least understanding that her infertility was an issue for a country so set on the Therin line. Anora is willing to sell her father out for the Throne. That speaks so much more to her character than I ever could. Exactly. For all his faults, Loghain would never turn on his daughter.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Apr 26, 2018 19:53:36 GMT
Frandlin Ivo! That treacherous bastard!
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 14, 2018 8:45:43 GMT
I did not know there was so much dislike for Anora. I had no problem with her. She wanted the throne and I helped her get it. Who was I going to give it to Alistair, Eamon's puppet? I do remember in one scenario when I rescued her and she betrayed me to Ser Cauthrien. Yeah, now I see why most would dislike her.lol Usually I just surrender peacefully cause the fight is tough if I remember correctly. But the only way she "betrays" you is if you tell Cauthrien who she is, which Anora just explained to you might get her killed. There was a betrayal, but who betrayed whom?
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Post by melbella on May 14, 2018 12:40:03 GMT
I did not know there was so much dislike for Anora. I had no problem with her. She wanted the throne and I helped her get it. Who was I going to give it to Alistair, Eamon's puppet? I do remember in one scenario when I rescued her and she betrayed me to Ser Cauthrien. Yeah, now I see why most would dislike her.lol Usually I just surrender peacefully cause the fight is tough if I remember correctly. But the only way she "betrays" you is if you tell Cauthrien who she is, which Anora just explained to you might get her killed. There was a betrayal, but who betrayed whom?
Not true. If you don't agree to not killing Loghain, she won't back you in the Landsmeet, even after saying she would.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 14, 2018 13:22:02 GMT
But the only way she "betrays" you is if you tell Cauthrien who she is, which Anora just explained to you might get her killed. There was a betrayal, but who betrayed whom?
Not true. If you don't agree to not killing Loghain, she won't back you in the Landsmeet, even after saying she would.
Right, I'd forgotten that. That said, Talyn was specifically talking about Anora betraying the Warden to Cauthrien. That she really doesn't do unless you do something that arguably counts as you betraying her first. Anora backstabbing you at the Landsmeet is more unambiguously her betraying you. Though on the other hand, if the reason she does it is your refusal to agree to not kill her father, I'm not inclined to judge her too harshly. If she does it because you refused to keep her on the throne, that's a bit harder to swallow. Unless you imagine that she fears for her life if she isn't crowned. Then it makes sense. The one thing that would make any of these betrayals absolutely unjustifiable is if Anora knew that the Grey Wardens really were literally necessary, and that the entire country was going to die if Loghain won the Landsmeet. Then her life and her father's life are both small prices to pay to give the country a chance, even if she knew the Warden winning meant they both die. But so far as we know, Anora doesn't know that the Wardens are literally necessary. The only thing we know she knows is that that's what people (most notably the Grey Wardens themselves) say.
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Post by phoray on May 15, 2018 14:40:52 GMT
Anora backstabbing you at the Landsmeet is more unambiguously her betraying you. Though on the other hand, if the reason she does it is your refusal to agree to not kill her father I agreed to not killing her father. She then asked me if I would support her vying for the throne. I then said I preferred Alistair for the job. She walks in at her dramatic moment accusing my Warden of kidnapping her. Letting me know, 100%, that her father living was just a bonus- what she wants is the throne and she'll literally sacrifice her own father to get it.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 15, 2018 15:06:27 GMT
Anora backstabbing you at the Landsmeet is more unambiguously her betraying you. Though on the other hand, if the reason she does it is your refusal to agree to not kill her father She walks in at her dramatic moment accusing my Warden of kidnapping her. Letting me know, 100%, that her father living was just a bonus- what she wants is the throne and she'll literally sacrifice her own father to get it. That's not altogether fair either. Her father matters to her too. If you'd told her she'd get the throne but her father would die, she'd still have backstabbed you, and even when everything's said and done she's still not willing to marry whoever actually killed her father.
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Post by vertigomez on May 15, 2018 15:27:38 GMT
Frandlin Ivo! That treacherous bastard! After I gave him my victory helmet and everything!
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Post by sparkythebarbarian on May 16, 2018 18:06:06 GMT
I would have loved to have slipped some poison into the darkspawn blood during Loghain's joining.
Sorry, my betrothed, I did it your way, but your father didn't survive.
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Post by Iddy on May 16, 2018 18:14:07 GMT
I would have loved to have slipped some poison into the darkspawn blood during Loghain's joining. Sorry, my betrothed, I did it your way, but your father didn't survive. If that's how you feel, why not just kill him in the duel?
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Post by sparkythebarbarian on May 16, 2018 19:41:06 GMT
I would have loved to have slipped some poison into the darkspawn blood during Loghain's joining. Sorry, my betrothed, I did it your way, but your father didn't survive. If that's how you feel, why not just kill him in the duel? Trying to avoid angering the new queen, whether I marry her or not.
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Post by sparkythebarbarian on May 16, 2018 19:46:41 GMT
While I'm thinking about it, there's a nasty piece of work who was giving the City Elves a hard time, I think it might be Vaughn. I free him from Howe's dungeon in order to get his support in the Landsmeet, but if I have my way, some time later, if he keeps harassing the Elves, he will may have an accident, something along the lines of accidentally falling down a flight of daggers.
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Post by melbella on May 17, 2018 0:28:40 GMT
While I'm thinking about it, there's a nasty piece of work who was giving the City Elves a hard time, I think it might be Vaughn. I free him from Howe's dungeon in order to get his support in the Landsmeet, but if I have my way, some time later, if he keeps harassing the Elves, he will may have an accident, something along the lines of accidentally falling down a flight of daggers.
I leave him in jail, after taking his key, of course. His support isn't needed to win the Landsmeet and, even if you lose, it's a free for all battle you can still win.
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Post by Sifr on May 17, 2018 6:50:33 GMT
I leave him in jail, after taking his key, of course. His support isn't needed to win the Landsmeet and, even if you lose, it's a free for all battle you can still win.
I take the key... then introduce him to my trusty murder knife.
I mean, if you insist on being racist towards Elves (especially in front of an Elven Warden), you kinda have it coming.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 17, 2018 10:59:12 GMT
If that's how you feel, why not just kill him in the duel? Trying to avoid angering the new queen, whether I marry her or not. The way I wanted to handle that during my King Cousland playthrough was letting Alistair duel him, knowing he'd kill Loghain automatically, and then pretending I never saw it coming. But for one thing I... think I hit the wrong button when trying to pick a champion for the duel and dueled him myself? At any rate I know I meant to send Alistair in there, but wound up doing it myself. And anyway two playthroughs later I used Alistair as my champion and saw the Warden automatically permit Alistair to kill Loghain rather than Alistair just automatically doing it. (Which struck me as overly railroady. Alistair autokilling Loghain is reasonable in the context of his character and his motivation. The Warden autoapproving may not be. I'd rather Alistair just took his head off and the Warden was given the opportunity to voice their reaction when the head came off.) I leave him in jail, after taking his key, of course. His support isn't needed to win the Landsmeet and, even if you lose, it's a free for all battle you can still win.
I take the key... then introduce him to my trusty murder knife.
I mean, if you insist on being racist towards Elves (especially in front of an Elven Warden), you kinda have it coming. Not to mention you're probably not smart enough to be responsible for an entire city, if you're that dense.
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Post by Iddy on May 23, 2018 14:15:29 GMT
While I'm thinking about it, there's a nasty piece of work who was giving the City Elves a hard time, I think it might be Vaughn. I free him from Howe's dungeon in order to get his support in the Landsmeet, but if I have my way, some time later, if he keeps harassing the Elves, he will may have an accident, something along the lines of accidentally falling down a flight of daggers.
I leave him in jail, after taking his key, of course. His support isn't needed to win the Landsmeet and, even if you lose, it's a free for all battle you can still win.
I was disappointed when I spotted Vaughan in the crowd during the Landsmeet. I was hoping he would rot in that cell, but I suppose he had to be released eventually.
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Post by Prince on May 24, 2018 7:47:59 GMT
But the only way she "betrays" you is if you tell Cauthrien who she is, which Anora just explained to you might get her killed. There was a betrayal, but who betrayed whom?
Not true. If you don't agree to not killing Loghain, she won't back you in the Landsmeet, even after saying she would.
there is nothing odd about not supporting a person that wants to kill her father. SifrI have nothing against the murderknife,just hate the fact that is lethal only when the writers say so.
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Post by skrillex on May 24, 2018 8:10:04 GMT
Am I the only one that kills Alistair And not Loghain?He is just giving me problems in the Landsmeet and ruins every kind of compromise I want to achieve to have more wardens.He is not suited to be a GW and I can't understand why Duncan failed to Find a GW with a better temper.... until I discoverd that Duncan recruited him just because of her mother.....
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Post by Iddy on May 24, 2018 10:51:40 GMT
betrays" you is if you tell Cauthrien who she is, which Anora just explained to you might get her killed. There was a betrayal, but who betrayed whom Wasn't the whole "rescue" a huge lie? A scheme to get the Warden on her side?
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Post by phoray on May 24, 2018 19:46:49 GMT
betrays" you is if you tell Cauthrien who she is, which Anora just explained to you might get her killed. There was a betrayal, but who betrayed whom Wasn't the whole "rescue" a huge lie? A scheme to get the Warden on her side? Still on the fence about it, but I wouldn't say it was Anora who came up with it. I thought it was Loghain hiding his politically inconvenient daughter with the help of Howe, his right hand man.
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Post by themikefest on May 25, 2018 10:25:24 GMT
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Post by copper on May 25, 2018 19:14:58 GMT
Arl Eamon for sure. Pursuing the urn of sacred ashes, an item you're not even certain exists at the time, for one politician seems like a waste of resources, especially when we have Teagan already supporting us. He's also way too interested in being the puppet master behind Alistair's throne, as well as a misogynist if his attitude toward Anora is anything to go by.
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Post by talyn82 on May 25, 2018 21:30:41 GMT
Arl Eamon for sure. Pursuing the urn of sacred ashes, an item you're not even certain exists at the time, for one politician seems like a waste of resources, especially when we have Teagan already supporting us. He's also way too interested in being the puppet master behind Alistair's throne, as well as a misogynist if his attitude toward Anora is anything to go by. Yep, that's why I always support Anora. Eamon just wants a puppet to control to sit on the throne.
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Post by phoray on May 25, 2018 21:52:54 GMT
I also hate that we have to save Arl Eamon, but I think a hardened Alistair is unlikely to be swayed by Eamon's puppetry.
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