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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 11, 2018 2:59:17 GMT
We know. But if there's actual reason for them to be dead...Which Codex is this? I didn't think she had any Codex entry in Inquisition at all unless she was alive, and according to the wiki there's nothing like that in her Origins Codex entry.Do you generally harden Alistair, or leave him unhardened? It's a codex from DAO. I don't remember seeing anything like that in the Codex whether or not Alistair's hardened, and the wiki entry for that Codex entry doesn't contain any language to that effect.She's still alive at least until the end of the game no matter what. Why would they bother updating the Codex to reflect her death if the game's already over by then? And why would she be mentioned in games where she's not present, whether or not she's alive? She's important in Origins, but she's not present in DA2, and she's only important in Inquisition if she's the Queen. Don't forget that while there's a number of hardcore fans who import from the Keep, Bioware's trying to make a game that's interesting even to a player who doesn't realize (or care) that that's an option.It's true that Alistair ends up giving the same orders to his soldiers in either circumstance, but his tone changes a lot. Alistair is a lot more hesitant to lock her up if he's not hardened, and his tone and his dialogue with Eamon and Anora make clear that he's doing this mostly to neutralize her in a way that isn't chopping off her head. If he is hardened, he says that she gets to live until he survives the Blight, so that the country isn't without a ruler if he dies... and he uses a tone that heavily implies that's the only reason she gets to live even that long. (It's a wise decision too, since he did die during the Blight in the one World-State where I did that, and he ruled for such a short time that the Codex doesn't even record that he was ever King.)
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Post by skrillex on Jun 23, 2018 13:16:33 GMT
I don' really have much interest in dragging along further this discussion that's why I replied this late.What I'm saying is very simple,there is no proof that she is dead,so there is no point in making any claim that she is,when there is no codex that adress her death ,no body,no cinematic of the execution,no order of execution,no option in the DA keep for her death,basically nothing that points in that direction.Her wiki staes that she remains heir not tha she is killed that why she can become Queen in case of Warden Commander ending.http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Anora
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 23, 2018 21:55:35 GMT
I don' really have much interest in dragging along further this discussion that's why I replied this late.What I'm saying is very simple,there is no proof that she is dead,so there is no point in making any claim that she is,when there is no codex that adress her death ,no body,no cinematic of the execution,no order of execution,no option in the DA keep for her death,basically nothing that points in that direction. What I'm saying is that while there's no actual proof, there are three things that point in that direction: she's a rival contender for the throne, she refuses to swear allegiance, and if Alistair is hardened he all but outright states that her life depends on his being very short. It'd be different if I'd said that Faryn, for example, doesn't live to see the end of DA2. His circumstances when we last see him don't actually put him in any danger, especially before the Mage-Templar War. Anora's? Anora's do.Yes, because Alistair knows he might need an heir very shortly, as I already noted happened in the one World-State I made him a hardened solo King in. That's not good evidence that he leaves that loose end untied when he's no longer in immediate danger of dying, and the wiki doesn't indicate that he does. Indeed, the very next sentence covers the exact same circumstances I already mentioned. (Ie, the Warden-Commander ending.)
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 25, 2018 4:10:13 GMT
Definitely Anora. Get that Ivanka Trump-lookin hag the fuck out of my game.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 25, 2018 7:18:16 GMT
Definitely Anora. Get that Ivanka Trump-lookin hag the fuck out of my game. Well, like I was just explaining to Skrillex, it's heavily implied she dies if you harden Alistair and make him solo king. Good enough?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 25, 2018 14:39:31 GMT
Definitely Anora. Get that Ivanka Trump-lookin hag the fuck out of my game. Well, like I was just explaining to Skrillex, it's heavily implied she dies if you harden Alistair and make him solo king. Good enough? I guess? The real reason she annoys me is because so many people IRL bleat about what a great politician she is or whatever, despite the game never doing anything to demonstrate that.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 25, 2018 14:47:23 GMT
Well, like I was just explaining to Skrillex, it's heavily implied she dies if you harden Alistair and make him solo king. Good enough? I guess? The real reason she annoys me is because so many people IRL bleat about what a great politician she is or whatever, despite the game never doing anything to demonstrate that. Well, then what better way to kill her than outmaneuvering her?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 25, 2018 14:49:39 GMT
I guess? The real reason she annoys me is because so many people IRL bleat about what a great politician she is or whatever, despite the game never doing anything to demonstrate that. Well, then what better way to kill her than outmaneuvering her? Well I always assumed she lived, knowing I can theoretically kill her now doesn't do much, because what I do in my own game won't make people IRL realise that she sucks. Lol
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 25, 2018 15:13:22 GMT
Well, then what better way to kill her than outmaneuvering her? Well I always assumed she lived, knowing I can theoretically kill her now doesn't do much, because what I do in my own game won't make people IRL realise that she sucks. Lol Well, Prince-Consort Gawain Cousland will be glad to hear that.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Jun 25, 2018 16:13:45 GMT
This MF.
How dare him to take Sten's cookies?!
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 26, 2018 7:30:38 GMT
This MF. How dare him to take Sten's cookies?! You can, two games later. That reminds me: I just unlocked that quest. I should go do it.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 20, 2018 18:24:16 GMT
Well, like I was just explaining to Skrillex, it's heavily implied she dies if you harden Alistair and make him solo king. Good enough? I guess? The real reason she annoys me is because so many people IRL bleat about what a great politician she is or whatever, despite the game never doing anything to demonstrate that. Well, Arl Eamon does praise her highly despite viewing her as a threat. And Anora being a better ruler than a buffoon like Cailain is easy to believe. Or a blind nug being a better ruler than Cailan.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 20, 2018 18:44:05 GMT
Here I am struggling to think of anyone and some of you guys have hit lists. Bartrand, Feynriel and Marathari come to mind, and the more I play Origins the more Duncan irritates me. As for the little guys my memory just ain't that good. Ooh Tallis....some of those toffs at Chateau Haine and Sigrid, miserable old bugger. I suppose 'all the Orlesians' is a bit too vague. EXPLAIN.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 20, 2018 18:59:32 GMT
Lmao! Ok Sir don't shout. I loved Duncan at first but when I played a Warden who disliked him it changed my p.o.v. He panders too much to the King getting thousands killed. He doesn't explain the big stuff even tho he knows all the Wardens are gonna die, and when I played the Cousland origin he forced my girl to become a Warden, denying her the chance to take over the estate or have a family. I know he's doing it for the greater good, but I don't like the way he handles it sometimes. Plus I feel like I'm being told to love him by the game and I'm fickle. Marathari is obvious, she makes terrible choices and puts it all on Merrill. And bloody Feynriel can go jump off a bridge, for some reason the more I play DA2 the more annoyed I am by him. Try refusing Duncan's invitation as a Dalish elf. He literally says, word by word: "Yes, I will drag you kicking and screaming if I have to." As for the rest, I'm still confused about Feynriel. So... no specific reason? Just the way he talks and moves?
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Post by warden on Aug 20, 2018 19:06:41 GMT
More you play, more Duncan irritates you? There are three options then.
One, you are what I like to say over-roleplaying.
Two, (this one can be connected and mixed with reason one) you apply standard real life morals which is stupid.
Three, you are an elf pest.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 20, 2018 21:39:02 GMT
This is stupid, and I know it, but I think it's a combination of him being so whiney and, more importantly, the way his Mom and Marathari keep going on about him to Hawke. I think Feynriel is entitled to whine - his life really is that bad!
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Post by warden on Aug 20, 2018 21:52:41 GMT
More you play, more Duncan irritates you? There are three options then. One, you are what I like to say over-roleplaying. Two, (this one can be connected and mixed with reason one) you apply standard real life morals which is stupid. Three, you are an elf pest. Excuse me we'll have no elfy hate thank you. How about four, the more I play the more I see through his hero act and question his actions? Especially given that I do a new origin each time, each of which gives you a new perspective on him. He seems more manipulative than I first realised. That is your problem, you saw something that basically never was there, your own thoughts (your eyes, whatever) tricked you, simple as that. Point is, people that dislike Duncan or start to dislike him, usually is for this very reason. Why they think he has a hero vibe or is a righteous person or something is beyond me, since the start seems clear that Duncan means business not salvation or whatever people think at first sight.
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Post by warden on Aug 20, 2018 22:09:37 GMT
That is your problem, you saw something that basically never was there, your own thoughts (your eyes, whatever) tricked you, simple as that. Point is, people that dislike Duncan or start to dislike him, usually is for this very reason. Why they think he has a hero vibe or is a righteous person or something is beyond me, since the start seems clear that Duncan means business not salvation or whatever people think at first sight. My first Origin was the city elf, so she saw Duncan as a savior. Now I'm guilty of letting a game wash over me first time round, just letting it happen and not analysing too much. It wasn't until I roleplayed a different character who didn't want to be a Warden, and then played the other origins and read the calling that I started to look at both Duncan and the wardens differently. You did play Warden's Keep? That DLC gives a nice look about what Grey Wardens are or can be, same with Legacy DLC from DA2.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 20, 2018 22:12:01 GMT
That is your problem, you saw something that basically never was there, your own thoughts (your eyes, whatever) tricked you, simple as that. Point is, people that dislike Duncan or start to dislike him, usually is for this very reason. Why they think he has a hero vibe or is a righteous person or something is beyond me, since the start seems clear that Duncan means business not salvation or whatever people think at first sight. My first Origin was the city elf, so she saw Duncan as a savior. Now I'm guilty of letting a game wash over me first time round, just letting it happen and not analysing too much. It wasn't until I roleplayed a different character who didn't want to be a Warden, and then played the other origins and read the calling that I started to look at both Duncan and the wardens differently. Yes, as a city elf, casteless dwarf (as I remember, as a noble dwarf as well) or circle mage – Duncan is a saviour, just like in the eyes of Daverth. But Cousland has another way, just as Jory.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 20, 2018 22:19:58 GMT
My first Origin was the city elf, so she saw Duncan as a savior. Now I'm guilty of letting a game wash over me first time round, just letting it happen and not analysing too much. It wasn't until I roleplayed a different character who didn't want to be a Warden, and then played the other origins and read the calling that I started to look at both Duncan and the wardens differently. You did play Warden's Keep? That DLC gives a nice look about what Grey Wardens are or can be, same with Legacy DLC from DA2. They're Grey Wardens – they aren't so picky with the means, but this not even necessary, that everyone should be like that, as mandatory. Larius was able to blackmail Malcolm – we can't be sure, he would really kill/hurt Leandra – but he strongly opposed Janeka's plan. Clarel was able to perform blood sacrifice, and using demon army – but Stroud. Loghain and Alistair reject that. Many of them are a hero, many of them are monster, or maybe they're both – even before the Calling. They're people – as anyone else.
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Post by warden on Aug 20, 2018 22:28:34 GMT
You did play Warden's Keep? That DLC gives a nice look about what Grey Wardens are or can be, same with Legacy DLC from DA2. They're Grey Wardens – they aren't so picky with the means, but this not even necessary, that everyone should be like that, as mandatory. Larius was able to blackmail Malcolm – we can't be sure, he would really kill/hurt Leandra – but he strongly opposed Janeka's plan. Clarel was able to perform blood sacrifice, and using demon army – but Stroud. Loghain and Alistair reject that. Many of them are a hero, many of them are monster, or maybe they're both – even before the Calling. That's neutrality in a nutshell my good man, you always have to find balance, a thing that is hard to do. Alistair is the light version of what is a Grey Warden, Larius is a very normal or average (call it however you want) version of what is a Grey Warden, Stroud falls in this category too. Janeka falls in the harder/harsher version and then there is Clarel, Clarel it's just something else as her stupidity and incompetence is beyond comprehension so it's hard to classify her.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 20, 2018 23:14:53 GMT
They're Grey Wardens – they aren't so picky with the means, but this not even necessary, that everyone should be like that, as mandatory. Larius was able to blackmail Malcolm – we can't be sure, he would really kill/hurt Leandra – but he strongly opposed Janeka's plan. Clarel was able to perform blood sacrifice, and using demon army – but Stroud. Loghain and Alistair reject that. Many of them are a hero, many of them are monster, or maybe they're both – even before the Calling. That's neutrality in a nutshell my good man, you always have to find balance, a thing that is hard to do. Alistair is the light version of what is a Grey Warden, Larius is a very normal or average (call it however you want) version of what is a Grey Warden, Stroud falls in this category too. Janeka falls in the harder/harsher version and then there is Clarel, Clarel it's just something else as her stupidity and incompetence is beyond comprehension so it's hard to classify her. No. The neutrality not always a solution. Sometimes a sin. We don't know many things about Stroud – so: you don't know, he falls or not.
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Post by warden on Aug 21, 2018 0:44:21 GMT
That's neutrality in a nutshell my good man, you always have to find balance, a thing that is hard to do. Alistair is the light version of what is a Grey Warden, Larius is a very normal or average (call it however you want) version of what is a Grey Warden, Stroud falls in this category too. Janeka falls in the harder/harsher version and then there is Clarel, Clarel it's just something else as her stupidity and incompetence is beyond comprehension so it's hard to classify her. No. The neutrality not always a solution. Sometimes a sin. We don't know many things about Stroud – so: you don't know, he falls or not. Neutrality a sin, hahaha that's a new one Catilina, I won't even bother to discuss the amount of stupidity that is what you just said. I don't care if it's a solution or not, so spare your morals as I don't care about them. I just pointed in what category Stroud maybe fall, that's all. Oh and we know a lot (of Stroud), he comes from a noble family of Orlais, was a Chevalier and etc etc. You can find the rest in google if you want to read his codex entries or in youtube to rewatch all his scenes to see how he acts and thinks, or simply play the games again.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 21, 2018 0:58:44 GMT
No. The neutrality not always a solution. Sometimes a sin. We don't know many things about Stroud – so: you don't know, he falls or not. Neutrality a sin, hahaha that's a new one Catilina, I won't even bother to discuss the amount of stupidity that is what you just said. I don't care if it's a solution or not, so spare your morals as I don't care about them. I just pointed in what category Stroud maybe fall, that's all. Oh and we know a lot (of Stroud), he comes from a noble family of Orlais, was a Chevalier and etc etc. You can find the rest in google if you want to read his codex entries or in youtube to rewatch all his scenes to see how he acts and thinks, or simply play the games again. It's not a new one. I always say that. There are times and situations when people can't be neutral (like Elthina, in Kirkwall). I'm not against the pragmatism – absolutely not. But as you said: Clarel and Janeka just were fools with their "pragmatism" – while Larius was pragmatic. Duncan with killing Jory? I don't know... perhaps. If he doesn't want eyewitness of the Ritual... Yes, I know Stroud's background. Nothing about his morality.
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Post by warden on Aug 21, 2018 1:13:32 GMT
Neutrality a sin, hahaha that's a new one Catilina, I won't even bother to discuss the amount of stupidity that is what you just said. I don't care if it's a solution or not, so spare your morals as I don't care about them. I just pointed in what category Stroud maybe fall, that's all. Oh and we know a lot (of Stroud), he comes from a noble family of Orlais, was a Chevalier and etc etc. You can find the rest in google if you want to read his codex entries or in youtube to rewatch all his scenes to see how he acts and thinks, or simply play the games again. It's not a new one. I always say that. There are times and situations when people can't be neutral (like Elthina, in Kirkwall). I'm not against the pragmatism – absolutely not. But as you said: Clarel and Janeka just were fools with their "pragmatism" – while Larius was pragmatic. Duncan with killing Jory? I don't know... perhaps. If he doesn't want eyewitness of the Ritual... Yes, I know Stroud's background. Nothing about his morality. Either way I don't care as I don't care for morals so you will have to discuss that with someone else. Eyewitness, spread information about the ritual and the wardens, in practice it was a think that had to be done, that you don't like, it's fair I will not discuss that it's your opinion. I don't think you need to know much, a guy that stays out of social problems, politics and only cares for darkspawn, pretty much your average warden basically.
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