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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 1, 2019 3:14:12 GMT
Think we'll ever see a variation of this arc on the big screen, but hold the OMD/BND? Satsui no Peter makes my plums tingle. If Marvel were smart they'd get Vinnie D. to reprise his role. Dunno if Holland can get dark though so it would be interesting. Agreed. Vince is the perfect Kingpin but i'm a little doubtful about Holland's range or his status as Spider-Man after Venom's success, but If Marvel's allowed to keep Spider-Man's film rights i'd love to see this arc excluding the One More Day bs, that nulled any potential character growth from Aunt May's death.
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Satsui no Peter makes my plums tingle. If Marvel were smart they'd get Vinnie D. to reprise his role. Dunno if Holland can get dark though so it would be interesting. Agreed. Vince is the perfect Kingpin but i'm a little doubtful about Holland's range or his status as Spider-Man after Venom's success, but If Marvel's allowed to keep Spider-Man's film rights i'd love to see this arc excluding the One More Day bs, that nulled any potential character growth from Aunt May's death. I agree with you but honestly, fuck it. OMD this bitch ass Spider-Starkboy and give us SPIDER-MAN. I'd rather see the Uncle Ben origin, an aunt May who isn't a barely middle aged irrelevant woman whose presence is negligible at best, and most of all, a Webhead with some depth and scientific shrewdness. The more I think about Holland's Spider-Kid and compare him to nearly any other, the more disappointed I become with this MCU thing. Evans doesn't seem to be sticking around as prominently if at all, anymore and there is no Wolverine. Spider-Man is Marvel's franchise. Treat him like it for once. OMD would be more positive than negative: 1. We get a new super powerhouse villain in Mephisto introduced or expounded upon 2. Spider-Man can get the crap portions retconned 3. We get some dark storytelling again and it has a meaningful effect 4. Zendaya MJ can got hit the brick and bring in Gwen or Mary Jane Watson 5. Bring back the Bugle, JJJ, Robbie, Betsy, and introduce Mr. Gargan, gorramit!
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 1, 2019 5:20:30 GMT
Agreed. Vince is the perfect Kingpin but i'm a little doubtful about Holland's range or his status as Spider-Man after Venom's success, but If Marvel's allowed to keep Spider-Man's film rights i'd love to see this arc excluding the One More Day bs, that nulled any potential character growth from Aunt May's death. I agree with you but honestly, fuck it. OMD this bitch ass Spider-Starkboy and give us SPIDER-MAN. I'd rather see the Uncle Ben origin, an aunt May who isn't a barely middle aged irrelevant woman whose presence is negligible at best, and most of all, a Webhead with some depth and scientific shrewdness. The more I think about Holland's Spider-Kid and compare him to nearly any other, the more disappointed I become with this MCU thing. Evans doesn't seem to be sticking around as prominently if at all, anymore and there is no Wolverine. Spider-Man is Marvel's franchise. Treat him like it for once. OMD would be more positive than negative: 1. We get a new super powerhouse villain in Mephisto introduced or expounded upon 2. Spider-Man can get the crap portions retconned 3. We get some dark storytelling again and it has a meaningful effect 4. Zendaya MJ can got hit the brick and bring in Gwen or Mary Jane Watson 5. Bring back the Bugle, JJJ, Robbie, Betsy, and introduce Mr. Gargan, gorramit! I can agree about OMD being a positive for MCU, but my problem with 616's iteration of OMD, is that Aunt May's death was handwaved at the expense of Pete's potential character growth. My issue with MCU Pete is that he was considered a genius, but lacked Stark's, Richard's or T'challa's resources, before Superior Otto happened. The MCU turned him into an overglorified errand boy who's suit and equipment are made by his patron, turning him into a Terry McGinnis -2.0, minus the charisma. I think they need to recast Parker, Flash (Supposed to be a jock) and MJ (Zendaya's MJ makes no sense, If it's supposed to be her.) if Marvel is going to go the OMD route, but that's unlikely at this point. Sadly PS4 Parker was the one we should have gotten instead for the MCU.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 1, 2019 5:59:23 GMT
My issue with MCU Pete is that he was considered a genius, but lacked Stark's, Richard's or T'challa's resources, before Superior Otto happened. The MCU turned him into an overglorified errand boy who's suit and equipment are made by his patron, turning him into a Terry McGinnis -2.0, minus the charisma. I think they need to recast Parker, Flash (Supposed to be a jock) and MJ (Zendaya's MJ makes no sense, If it's supposed to be her.) if Marvel is going to go the OMD route, but that's unlikely at this point. Sadly PS4 Parker was the one we should have gotten instead for the MCU. Well, I'm personally fine with him. As you mentioned, Peter is a genius who doesn't have the same recourses as Stark or T'Challa. But the movies have shown he's pretty adept at chemistry and basic engineering (it's the hacking stuff that's Ned's department). While it's fair you compare this Peter to Terry McGinnis, seeing as how a mentor gives him the suit as part of training to become a better hero. But I don't think it's fair to say minus the charisma because, well...Peter Parker was never really a charismatic guy. Don't get me wrong, SPIDER-MAN is charismatic! Peter Parker is not. I think Tom Holland is fine as Peter, and I'm glad Flash is not a jock again, frankly because the Jock picking on the nerd thing is not only a very old, repetitive cliche, but it also never happens in high school anymore. Zendaya's MJ is not suppossed to be Mary Jane, but her own character Michelle Jones.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 1, 2019 7:12:31 GMT
My issue with MCU Pete is that he was considered a genius, but lacked Stark's, Richard's or T'challa's resources, before Superior Otto happened. The MCU turned him into an overglorified errand boy who's suit and equipment are made by his patron, turning him into a Terry McGinnis -2.0, minus the charisma. I think they need to recast Parker, Flash (Supposed to be a jock) and MJ (Zendaya's MJ makes no sense, If it's supposed to be her.) if Marvel is going to go the OMD route, but that's unlikely at this point. Sadly PS4 Parker was the one we should have gotten instead for the MCU. Well, I'm personally fine with him. As you mentioned, Peter is a genius who doesn't have the same recourses as Stark or T'Challa. But the movies have shown he's pretty adept at chemistry and basic engineering (it's the hacking stuff that's Ned's department). While it's fair you compare this Peter to Terry McGinnis, seeing as how a mentor gives him the suit as part of training to become a better hero. But I don't think it's fair to say minus the charisma because, well...Peter Parker was never really a charismatic guy. Don't get me wrong, SPIDER-MAN is charismatic! Peter Parker is not. I think Tom Holland is fine as Peter, and I'm glad Flash is not a jock again, frankly because the Jock picking on the nerd thing is not only a very old, repetitive cliche, but it also never happens in high school anymore. Zendaya's MJ is not suppossed to be Mary Jane, but her own character Michelle Jones. Like i said Pete's been reduced to a Terry McGinnis -2.0 mock up, but what separates them is that Terry's charismatic inside and outside of the suit versus Holland's Pete who's the polar opposite. The big problem with MCU Pete is that he was incapable of making his own suit, heavily relying on Stark, even though ingenuity was an essential part of his character's mythos. About Flash's the jock bullying the nerd cliche it's a tried and true trope. Turning Flash into a pencil necked preppy who looks like he would be dropped on his neck by 5"8" Holland instead is unbelievable and laughable, while Zendaya's Michelle Jones MJ?Not MJ? character was Disney getting cold feet at recreating MJ's character. I understand what Disney attempted with these characters but the execution left a lot to be desired. I still stand by my assessment that PS4's Marvel's Spider-man a more acurate depiction of the character than the MCU version.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 1, 2019 7:31:20 GMT
Like i said Pete's been reduced to a Terry McGinnis -2.0 mock up, but what separates them is that Terry's charismatic inside and outside of the suit versus Holland's Pete who's the polar opposite. The big problem with MCU Pete is that he was incapable of making his own suit, heavily relying on Stark, even though ingenuity was an essential part of his character's mythos. About Flash's the jock bullying the nerd cliche it's a tried and true trope. Turning Flash into a pencil necked preppy who looks like he would be dropped on his neck by 5"8" Holland instead is unbelievable and laughable, while Zendaya's Michelle Jones MJ?Not MJ? character was Disney getting cold feet at recreating MJ's character. I understand what Disney attempted with these characters but the execution left a lot to be desired. I still stand by my assessment that PS4's Marvel's Spider-man a more acurate depiction of the character than the MCU version. I agree with your thought that PS4's Spider-man is much more comic accurate, but I still feel the opinions you're giving to the MCU Spider-Man are wrong. Again, like I said before, SPIDER-MAN is charismatic while Peter Parker is not, which has always been the case for the comics. He may seem not as charismatic in Homecoming partly because it was first time dealing with a larger than life threat on his own, meaning he's quite scared which is understandable. Also, you need to realize that Peter DID make a suit by himself, with moving lenses in his goggles and functioning web shooters. They DO acknowledge Peter is a genius in engineering and chemistry. The high-tech suit was a gift from Tony Stark, and the whole point of Homecoming was for Peter Parker to prove himself actually worthy of keeping the suit by learning not to be strictly dependent on it (hence why it was taken away near the end). The jock cliche is sadly a dated one and unrelatable one as, like I've said, Jocks don't bully nerds anymore. Bullying has become more about humiliation and verbal insulting as opposed to beating nerds up. Flash being a preppy version is a more relatable bully, as he's all about flaunting his wealth and trying to demean Peter rather than stuff him in a locker or something. Besides, since comic book Peter has consistantly reminded himself not to use his powers on Flash both because it's irresponsible and it would reveal his identity, then it really shouldn't matter whether Flash is a jock or not. As for the MJ thing, I do agree it's weird that they did not attempt to try and recreate Mary Jane Watson, especially considering she's pretty cool in the comics. My guess is because they want to seperate themselves from the previous attempts, they decided to go for a brand new character, who coincidentally is referred to as MJ but is clearly not the same MJ as stated over and over again by Kevin Feige and Jon Watts. I'm not trying to change your opinion on whether you like the MCU Peter or not, as I've stated, PS4 Spidey is the best done. I am just pointing out moments in your opinions that are objectively proven false based on what's shown in the movies.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 1, 2019 9:39:53 GMT
Like i said Pete's been reduced to a Terry McGinnis -2.0 mock up, but what separates them is that Terry's charismatic inside and outside of the suit versus Holland's Pete who's the polar opposite. The big problem with MCU Pete is that he was incapable of making his own suit, heavily relying on Stark, even though ingenuity was an essential part of his character's mythos. About Flash's the jock bullying the nerd cliche it's a tried and true trope. Turning Flash into a pencil necked preppy who looks like he would be dropped on his neck by 5"8" Holland instead is unbelievable and laughable, while Zendaya's Michelle Jones MJ?Not MJ? character was Disney getting cold feet at recreating MJ's character. I understand what Disney attempted with these characters but the execution left a lot to be desired. I still stand by my assessment that PS4's Marvel's Spider-man a more acurate depiction of the character than the MCU version. I agree with your thought that PS4's Spider-man is much more comic accurate, but I still feel the opinions you're giving to the MCU Spider-Man are wrong. Again, like I said before, SPIDER-MAN is charismatic while Peter Parker is not, which has always been the case for the comics. He may seem not as charismatic in Homecoming partly because it was first time dealing with a larger than life threat on his own, meaning he's quite scared which is understandable. Also, you need to realize that Peter DID make a suit by himself, with moving lenses in his goggles and functioning web shooters. They DO acknowledge Peter is a genius in engineering and chemistry. The high-tech suit was a gift from Tony Stark, and the whole point of Homecoming was for Peter Parker to prove himself actually worthy of keeping the suit by learning not to be strictly dependent on it (hence why it was taken away near the end). The jock cliche is sadly a dated one and unrelatable one as, like I've said, Jocks don't bully nerds anymore. Bullying has become more about humiliation and verbal insulting as opposed to beating nerds up. Flash being a preppy version is a more relatable bully, as he's all about flaunting his wealth and trying to demean Peter rather than stuff him in a locker or something. Besides, since comic book Peter has consistantly reminded himself not to use his powers on Flash both because it's irresponsible and it would reveal his identity, then it really shouldn't matter whether Flash is a jock or not. As for the MJ thing, I do agree it's weird that they did not attempt to try and recreate Mary Jane Watson, especially considering she's pretty cool in the comics. My guess is because they want to seperate themselves from the previous attempts, they decided to go for a brand new character, who coincidentally is referred to as MJ but is clearly not the same MJ as stated over and over again by Kevin Feige and Jon Watts. I'm not trying to change your opinion on whether you like the MCU Peter or not, as I've stated, PS4 Spidey is the best done. I am just pointing out moments in your opinions that are objectively proven false based on what's shown in the movies. Pete shouldn't need to prove himself worthy of wearing a suit that his character should have constructed (AI tech obviously excluded) on his own to begin with across a multitude of incarnartions, which diminishes his character. MCU Pete's lack of charisma doesn't change the fact that his character was reduced into an errand boy relying on his patron's approval to fight street level criminals like BB's Terry McGinnis. His character arc since Civil War is wholly dependent on Tony Stark's existence which shouldn't be the case. About MCU Flash, he made for a poor bully who was treated as a minor nuisance at worst. No matter if the jock cliche was dated, MCU Flash was poorly casted and wasn't a believable bully regardless of his faux intellect or social status. About not MJ, if Disney had the balls they would have made the Michelle Jones' character MJ Watson instead of playing around with allusions to their characters' initials. Like i said before i saw what Disney attempted with Peter's character arc in HC but it's left a lot to be desired.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 17:00:58 GMT
PS4 Pete is the definitive modern day Spider-Man tbh. They got everything right with him and I like the idea of him being a mentor to Miles. We got an Aunt May who actually has a huge impact on his life and his decisions. There was also great display of how his life as Spider-Man has negatively affected him in some ways.
In other news, a new Punisher trailer is soon upon us but this'll be bittersweet. It's almost a guarantee that it will be cancelled as well after this next season. Either Disney has been making a power play to gather all their properties for their streaming service or Netflix is just being foolish. I can understand Luke Cage and Iron Fist being cancelled but Daredevil pretty much means its all going away.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 2, 2019 20:40:27 GMT
PS4 Pete is the definitive modern day Spider-Man tbh. They got everything right with him and I like the idea of him being a mentor to Miles. We got an Aunt May who actually has a huge impact on his life and his decisions. There was also great display of how his life as Spider-Man has negatively affected him in some ways. In other news, a new Punisher trailer is soon upon us but this'll be bittersweet. It's almost a guarantee that it will be cancelled as well after this next season. Either Disney has been making a power play to gather all their properties for their streaming service or Netflix is just being foolish. I can understand Luke Cage and Iron Fist being cancelled but Daredevil pretty much means its all going away. Indeed, PS4 Pete is what MCU Pete SHOULD have been.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 7, 2019 4:53:42 GMT
OFFICIAL POLE: Can Cap Marvel top Civil War in terms of dark-comic-book movie? Or will it (sadly) disappoint ???
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 7, 2019 5:13:38 GMT
OFFICIAL POLE: Can Cap Marvel top Civil War in terms of dark-comic-book movie? Or will it (sadly) disappoint ??? Carol Manvers will disappoint.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 7, 2019 18:52:29 GMT
OFFICIAL POLE: Can Cap Marvel top Civil War in terms of dark-comic-book movie? Or will it (sadly) disappoint ??? I doubt Captain Marvel will top Civil War, but I am hoping its at least better than Ant-Man and the Wasp.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 9, 2019 16:46:43 GMT
R. I. P. MCU, you were fun while you lasted.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 10, 2019 5:34:26 GMT
Indeed, PS4 Pete is what MCU Pete SHOULD have been. PS4 Pete is what 616 Pete should have been like in One More Day.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 10, 2019 5:35:17 GMT
Indeed, PS4 Pete is what MCU Pete SHOULD have been. PS4 Pete is what 616 Pete should have been like in One More Day. Totally.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 11, 2019 20:20:54 GMT
Isn't it kind of weird that in terms of marketing and promotion, Marvel hasn't really been going that all in on Captain Marvel? Considering the amount of premature hate and pessimism the movie is getting from the SJW hunting Internet, you'd think they would try a lot harder to at least provide some proper reassurance that the movie can work. Like, actually show some humor! The filmmakers are saying that Carol Danvers will have a sense of humor in this movie, but every promotional material we see isn't showing it.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 11, 2019 21:08:09 GMT
Isn't it kind of weird that in terms of marketing and promotion, Marvel hasn't really been going that all in on Captain Marvel? Considering the amount of premature hate and pessimism the movie is getting from the SJW hunting Internet, you'd think they would try a lot harder to at least provide some proper reassurance that the movie can work. Like, actually show some humor! The filmmakers are saying that Carol Danvers will have a sense of humor in this movie, but every promotional material we see isn't showing it. It also doesn't help that Larson keeps making shit up about Captain Marvel's powers and other shit.
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Post by Rascoth on Jan 11, 2019 21:25:32 GMT
Isn't it kind of weird that in terms of marketing and promotion, Marvel hasn't really been going that all in on Captain Marvel? Considering the amount of premature hate and pessimism the movie is getting from the SJW hunting Internet, you'd think they would try a lot harder to at least provide some proper reassurance that the movie can work. Like, actually show some humor! The filmmakers are saying that Carol Danvers will have a sense of humor in this movie, but every promotional material we see isn't showing it. It is strange tbh, with movie being right around the corner. They really should release some decent promotional materal, especially with all the shitstorm around Larson. Hell, that woman starts to make ME skeptical about the film/her portrayal of Cap Marvel (even if I couldn't be more indifferent about that character) and I tend to be the type to judge only after actually seeing a thing.
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Post by Rascoth on Jan 11, 2019 21:26:07 GMT
Plus I might be still a *bit* salty Cap Marvel is the first female hero standalone in MCU. That should be Black Widow and no one can convince me otherwise.
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Post by House Targaryen on Jan 12, 2019 19:07:07 GMT
Brie Larson can't smile worth a shit. At awards, accepting award, being in movies, being in real life.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 12, 2019 20:37:44 GMT
Brie Larson said...
What did it mean by this? The movie, or the book, wasn't made for "him"?
I read the book as a child, a boy child, and was fascinated by it and enjoyed it well. I didn't see the movie...
As the white dude, I just don't get it anymore. I guess that's their point?
I cry for Brie; the brutality of having guaranteed work and a multimillion dollar contract. The horror of being trapped in one role; muh creativity and personal expression in celluloid is more important than an amazingly easy and comfortable life -- also becuz reasons superstars can't work on stuff on their own time and be creative outside of work. Ask Kevin Bacon. Oh wait, he's a white dude. INVALID!
I'll watch Cap Marvel at home for the price of one of my subscription services, or not. I will see her in the theater for Endgame.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 12, 2019 21:25:46 GMT
Brie Larson said...What did it mean by this? The movie, or the book, wasn't made for "him"? I read the book as a child, a boy child, and was fascinated by it and enjoyed it well. I didn't see the movie... As the white dude, I just don't get it anymore. I guess that's their point? SJWa/3rd-wave Feminists don't have a point. This is the hilarious tragedy of both of these childish "movements". They espouse values like equality and claim to loathe discrimination & yet discriminate against anyone who is a dude or white or over 30. It's complete hypocritical bullshit My theory is that this kind of garbage being tossed around as an "intelligent political protest" is similar to restless-leg-syndrome or fake gluten allergies; most younger/dumber women in the western world have so few REAL problems to overcome that they are ACTUALLY creating them out of thin air. It's filling a collective void in their lives for achievement/accomplishment/overcoming an obstacle that is evidently SORELY lacking
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Post by Garo on Jan 12, 2019 22:09:15 GMT
This is not *technically* MCU but I just saw Spider verse and WOW WAS IT FUN Yea, I just wanted to say that
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 13, 2019 3:41:43 GMT
Brie Larson can't smile worth a shit. At awards, accepting award, being in movies, being in real life.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 13, 2019 19:49:03 GMT
I'm still cautiously optimistic about Cap Marvel
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