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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 30, 2019 23:52:15 GMT
Disney the manipulator. YTbers who put up videos on the deleted scene of miss marvel assaulting and robbing a guy of his bike, for no reason, got a censorship slap. sorry, you can't talk or discuss this. shaddap and toe our line. How the mighty have fallen to the gutters.
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Post by DomeWing333 on May 31, 2019 0:48:22 GMT
Disney the manipulator. YTbers who put up videos on the deleted scene of miss marvel assaulting and robbing a guy of his bike, for no reason, got a censorship slap. sorry, you can't talk or discuss this. shaddap and toe our line. How the mighty have fallen to the gutters. I'm...still seeing a lot of videos on it? Seems like Disney would do a more thorough job if they really wanted it shut down. Also, I don't really get the complaint. Isn't the whole point of the character that she's a prickly hardass with no regard for social niceties? At least that's what I got from her portrayal n Endgame.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 31, 2019 1:06:49 GMT
Disney the manipulator. YTbers who put up videos on the deleted scene of miss marvel assaulting and robbing a guy of his bike, for no reason, got a censorship slap. sorry, you can't talk or discuss this. shaddap and toe our line. How the mighty have fallen to the gutters. I'm...still seeing a lot of videos on it? Seems like Disney would do a more thorough job if they really wanted it shut down. Also, I don't really get the complaint. Isn't the whole point of the character that she's a prickly hardass with no regard for social niceties? At least that's what I got from her portrayal n Endgame. They're closing down some of the YTbers who show the clip and discuss it in their video, not the ones just showing that clip with no active discussion. Why bother to close them down? Disney don't like the discussions? *shrug* I didn't watch ms marvel movie so no idea what's the char like but the trailer was off putting for me so no interest in that direction. Endgame, I may watch but then I already know the story so probably pointless in my getting the bluray. For me, that clip is a poor imitation of the scene from Terminator 2. It works for Terminator, not for ms marvel. Edit. For others ;
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 2, 2019 4:56:28 GMT
I personally think the issue isn't necessarily with Captain Marvel as a character because for the most part, she doesn't do anything that necessarily screams "female empowerment." Probably the only exception was how she dealt with the motorcycle rider that harassed her, but other than that, her gender wasn't really brought up that much when it came to her abilities and place in the universe. I think the thing putting a lot of people off was definitely the advertising centered around being a woman, as well as the various interviews and statements made by Brie Larson and the folks behind the movie.
I personally found the Captain Marvel movie to be a fun action buddy adventure between her and Nick Fury combined with some genuinely funny moments and pretty effective twists. It's not the greatest movie ever made, and I haven't really seen enough of Carol yet to truly determine if she's a great character or not.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 2, 2019 15:10:03 GMT
I personally think the issue isn't necessarily with Captain Marvel as a character because for the most part, she doesn't do anything that necessarily screams "female empowerment." Probably the only exception was how she dealt with the motorcycle rider that harassed her, but other than that, her gender wasn't really brought up that much when it came to her abilities and place in the universe. I think the thing putting a lot of people off was definitely the advertising centered around being a woman, as well as the various interviews and statements made by Brie Larson and the folks behind the movie. I personally found the Captain Marvel movie to be a fun action buddy adventure between her and Nick Fury combined with some genuinely funny moments and pretty effective twists. It's not the greatest movie ever made, and I haven't really seen enough of Carol yet to truly determine if she's a great character or not. I know almost nothing about her comic book character, aside from her run-in with Rogue way back when. But her character in the movie was extremely unlikable. She was supremely arrogant, and not in the fun way like Tony Stark. I saw little difference between her and Yon-Rogg. And I cringed a LOT with Nick Fury's material. This bad*ss spy was reduced to bumbling sidekick. It was practically a minstrel show. I felt really bad for SLJ.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 2, 2019 15:25:20 GMT
I personally think the issue isn't necessarily with Captain Marvel as a character because for the most part, she doesn't do anything that necessarily screams "female empowerment." Probably the only exception was how she dealt with the motorcycle rider that harassed her, but other than that, her gender wasn't really brought up that much when it came to her abilities and place in the universe. I think the thing putting a lot of people off was definitely the advertising centered around being a woman, as well as the various interviews and statements made by Brie Larson and the folks behind the movie. I personally found the Captain Marvel movie to be a fun action buddy adventure between her and Nick Fury combined with some genuinely funny moments and pretty effective twists. It's not the greatest movie ever made, and I haven't really seen enough of Carol yet to truly determine if she's a great character or not. I know almost nothing about her comic book character, aside from her run-in with Rogue way back when. But her character in the movie was extremely unlikable. She was supremely arrogant, and not in the fun way like Tony Stark. I saw little difference between her and Yon-Rogg. And I cringed a LOT with Nick Fury's material. This bad*ss spy was reduced to bumbling sidekick. It was practically a minstrel show. I felt really bad for SLJ. Nick Fury losing his eye being treated as a gag, and them turning the Skrull into a misunderstood refugee analogy were cringe.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jun 7, 2019 7:56:20 GMT
Huh, just realized that Brie Larson played Envy in Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Always thought she was really cool. The gender politics messiah complex must be a recent thing.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 7, 2019 14:17:58 GMT
Huh, just realized that Brie Larson played Envy in Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Always thought she was really cool. The gender politics messiah complex must be a recent thing. I never really liked the whole concept of judging an actor's character based on the real-world actor beliefs. I feel it's distracting, annoying, and doesn't count as fair criticism since it has nothing to do with their acting ability or how the character is written/portrayed. My only issue with Brie Larson's Carol Danvers only has to do with how the performance is more or less decent, but nothing spectacular that made me lost in the character. It's an issue that I'm sure future movies will fix.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 7, 2019 15:37:32 GMT
Huh, just realized that Brie Larson played Envy in Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Always thought she was really cool. The gender politics messiah complex must be a recent thing. I never really liked the whole concept of judging an actor's character based on the real-world actor beliefs. I feel it's distracting, annoying, and doesn't count as fair criticism since it has nothing to do with their acting ability or how the character is written/portrayed.
False, it often can influence a performance, especially when the issue is a gender-politics-messiah-complex & the character is a "feminist symbol" C'mon man, very few actors have the ability to immerse themselves so deeply into a role that they have NO real-life influences. Think about it
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Post by Iakus on Jun 7, 2019 15:42:32 GMT
I never really liked the whole concept of judging an actor's character based on the real-world actor beliefs. I feel it's distracting, annoying, and doesn't count as fair criticism since it has nothing to do with their acting ability or how the character is written/portrayed.
False, it often can influence a performance, especially when the issue is a gender-politics-messiah-complex & the character is a "feminist symbol" C'mon man, very few actors have the ability to immerse themselves so deeply into a role that they have NO real-life influences. Think about it Ehh, I still think Chris Evans made an awesome Captain America despite who he is in RL.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 7, 2019 15:51:04 GMT
False, it often can influence a performance, especially when the issue is a gender-politics-messiah-complex & the character is a "feminist symbol" C'mon man, very few actors have the ability to immerse themselves so deeply into a role that they have NO real-life influences. Think about it Ehh, I still think Chris Evans made an awesome Captain America despite who he is in RL. Personally, I like IRL Chris Evans. He seems like a chill guy to me.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 7, 2019 16:28:52 GMT
I never really liked the whole concept of judging an actor's character based on the real-world actor beliefs. I feel it's distracting, annoying, and doesn't count as fair criticism since it has nothing to do with their acting ability or how the character is written/portrayed.
False, it often can influence a performance, especially when the issue is a gender-politics-messiah-complex & the character is a "feminist symbol" C'mon man, very few actors have the ability to immerse themselves so deeply into a role that they have NO real-life influences. Think about it You kind of missed the point I was trying to make. I'm exactly saying that who an actor is in real life DOESN'T impact their acting ability since that's always going to happen in some form or another. I was just trying to say that it's unfair for film criticism to judge a character based largely on an actor's personal life since the goal should be to see if the actor can properly embody the character they were going for. It's so unfortunate to see some good performances be ignored or disliked just because somebody didn't like that person personally, and not other more proper factors like the writing or the delivery. For example, my parents disliked Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman mainly because the actress said some political stuff they don't agree with, but I still thought she gave an amazing performance as Wonder Woman despite that.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 7, 2019 19:29:11 GMT
I never really liked the whole concept of judging an actor's character based on the real-world actor beliefs. I feel it's distracting, annoying, and doesn't count as fair criticism since it has nothing to do with their acting ability or how the character is written/portrayed.
False, it often can influence a performance, especially when the issue is a gender-politics-messiah-complex & the character is a "feminist symbol" C'mon man, very few actors have the ability to immerse themselves so deeply into a role that they have NO real-life influences. Think about it I think Larson's an overrated actress. Her performance as Captain Marvel was uninspired, and bore little resemblance to the character's current persona. She looked disinterested the entire time, and seemed like she was phoning it in all throughout CM.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 7, 2019 19:37:04 GMT
False, it often can influence a performance, especially when the issue is a gender-politics-messiah-complex & the character is a "feminist symbol" C'mon man, very few actors have the ability to immerse themselves so deeply into a role that they have NO real-life influences. Think about it I think Larson's an overrated actress. Her performance as Captain Marvel was uninspired, and bore little resemblance to the character's current persona. She looked disinterested the entire time, and seemed like she was phoning it in all throughout CM. Eh, I would argue that I would prefer THIS Carol over her current character in the comics. Which frankly is kind of a lose-lose for me.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 7, 2019 19:46:28 GMT
I think Larson's an overrated actress. Her performance as Captain Marvel was uninspired, and bore little resemblance to the character's current persona. She looked disinterested the entire time, and seemed like she was phoning it in all throughout CM. Eh, I would argue that I would prefer THIS Carol over her current character in the comics. Which frankly is kind of a lose-lose for me. Pretty apt description of Larson's career at the moment
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 7, 2019 19:52:02 GMT
Eh, I would argue that I would prefer THIS Carol over her current character in the comics. Which frankly is kind of a lose-lose for me. Pretty apt description of Larson's career at the moment I personally never like to wish an actor's career to go downhill, especially since I'm aware of how very hard is to work as an actor and make a living unless you get good roles. I just kind of hope Marvel looks at the general fan-reception to Larson's attitudes and the problems with the first Captain Marvel movie to hopefully make her character better. In fact, I think just having the Russo Brothers direct the next sequel would be a smart idea since they do a pretty good job taking characters that didn't work well in their solo movies and actually make them more interesting and enjoyable.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jun 7, 2019 20:04:21 GMT
Huh, just realized that Brie Larson played Envy in Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Always thought she was really cool. The gender politics messiah complex must be a recent thing. I never really liked the whole concept of judging an actor's character based on the real-world actor beliefs. I feel it's distracting, annoying, and doesn't count as fair criticism since it has nothing to do with their acting ability or how the character is written/portrayed. My only issue with Brie Larson's Carol Danvers only has to do with how the performance is more or less decent, but nothing spectacular that made me lost in the character. It's an issue that I'm sure future movies will fix. I agree wholeheartedly... except in instances where the actor's moronic beliefs have very obviously negatively impacted the character. As it has in the case of her playing Carol Denver. As I said, I very much enjoyed her portrayal of Envy. I'm perfectly capable of liking a character in spite of it's actor's cringeworthy attempts at political stances outside the studio. Chris Evans is a good example. Tom Cruise is too. Hollywood isn't exactly full of political scientists, and the fact that cameras are often pointed at them doesn't mean they're likely to have any more idea about what they're talking about than someone on the street. Hating on characters whose actors had stupid beliefs would make movie-watching in general a rather depressing prospect. As for judging actors themselves for those politics, that's perfectly justifiable. Everyone can be a preachy dumbass for a while, and deserve the flak for it until they come back down to earth. But people who are preachy dumbasses on podiums in front of millions of their prospective customers deserve special attention, and special flak. Probably not career-ending flak, but career- braking flak is a potential consequence of stupid decisions for everyone, actors and actresses included. You're right that the character could be livened up and made more engaging in the future, and stranger things have definitely happened. The Russo brothers would have to really knock it out of the park to compensate for this initial backlash though, and Larson would have to compromise some of her stated principles on the character's behalf to allow it to happen. It would be lovely to see, but I'm not holding out any particular hope.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 7, 2019 20:10:08 GMT
I think Larson's an overrated actress. Her performance as Captain Marvel was uninspired, and bore little resemblance to the character's current persona. She looked disinterested the entire time, and seemed like she was phoning it in all throughout CM. Eh, I would argue that I would prefer THIS Carol over her current character in the comics. Which frankly is kind of a lose-lose for me. Both are terrible but me personally boredom aggravates me more than inconsistency. Current comics Carol is a clusterfuck but Brie's performance was just wooden. The comic's incarnation managed to elicit a response from me beyond a yawn, while seeing Brie as Carol was like watching Nicholas Cage act as Hal Jordan. Speaking of Jordan the current comic's incarnation of Carol is like a poorly hashed mixture between him and Katee Sackhoff's performance as Starbuck. How Marvel's editors managed to screw up such a simple concept is beyond me.
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Post by House Targaryen on Jun 8, 2019 4:34:27 GMT
False, it often can influence a performance, especially when the issue is a gender-politics-messiah-complex & the character is a "feminist symbol" C'mon man, very few actors have the ability to immerse themselves so deeply into a role that they have NO real-life influences. Think about it Ehh, I still think Chris Evans made an awesome Captain America despite who he is in RL. Even though we're at odds politically, Chris did an excellent job as Captain America. I can't think of anyone else who could play that role.
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Post by House Targaryen on Jun 8, 2019 4:37:50 GMT
I never really liked the whole concept of judging an actor's character based on the real-world actor beliefs. I feel it's distracting, annoying, and doesn't count as fair criticism since it has nothing to do with their acting ability or how the character is written/portrayed.
False, it often can influence a performance, especially when the issue is a gender-politics-messiah-complex & the character is a "feminist symbol" C'mon man, very few actors have the ability to immerse themselves so deeply into a role that they have NO real-life influences. Think about it She certainly put her politics into Marvel's role. If she played the role straight like Chris did with Captain America, all would be good.
Plus she's not all that great of an actress. It appeared it would hurt her if she smiled or put any sort of effort into Marvel's emotional scenes.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jun 8, 2019 23:26:49 GMT
False, it often can influence a performance, especially when the issue is a gender-politics-messiah-complex & the character is a "feminist symbol" C'mon man, very few actors have the ability to immerse themselves so deeply into a role that they have NO real-life influences. Think about it She certainly put her politics into Marvel's role. If she played the role straight like Chris did with Captain America, all would be good.
Plus she's not all that great of an actress. It appeared it would hurt her if she smiled or put any sort of effort into Marvel's emotional scenes.
That's what surprised me about learning that she played Envy in Scott Pilgrim, even several years after seeing it. I don't remember her acting being particularly subtle in that, and there definitely wasn't a lot of smiling going around either, but she still played Envy as expressive and lively with an internal life and no attempt whatsoever to downplay her femininity. Moreover, the kind of character Envy is in that movie would land firmly in "resentful ex-wife dismissive stereotype" territory on a modern wokeness radar, but works well because she leaned hard into Envy's pride and feelings of humiliation without letting it be all her character was, making her feel pretty damn human. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World isn't on any of my favorite movie lists, but she made a decent showing and the result was a fairly refreshing character portrayal that certainly made an impression. And not just because she was dead sexy. Definitely a shame that she's fallen into the identity politics hole. Hopefully it's just an embarrassing phase, as it is for a lot of people.
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Post by HYR on Jun 9, 2019 15:28:20 GMT
CM was an average character. I don't think acting was so much the issue, though.
By that I mean, while I don't feel like her acting otherwise helped, I also didn't come away feeling like "you know, a better actress could have sold those dialogue lines better." It just wasn't good dialogue or an interesting character concept to begin with, not as they wrote it.
I liked her better in Endgame than her own movie (minus the cringe scene with Thor).
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 10, 2019 3:36:35 GMT
I liked her better in Endgame than her own movie (minus the cringe scene with Thor).
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