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Post by smilesja on Jul 22, 2019 2:25:46 GMT
Now we only need someone to "accidentally" drop a house or bucket of water on the film cans containing the Avatar sequels, so the world will be spared sitting through another one.
I like Avatar. I don’t think it’s an amazing movie mind you, but it is a a feat of special effects. That’s why it was popular, it showed people something new. And the pioneering work Cameron did with his team made characters like Thanos possible. He’s basically been driving RnD for the industry for the past 20 years. That’s why I want to see the second one, because I’m sure it will show me something that dazzles me even if the story is only so so. I’ve never understood why some people resent it’s success, doesn’t seem worth it. It’s not the MCU so it’s bad.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 22, 2019 2:28:04 GMT
I like Avatar. I don’t think it’s an amazing movie mind you, but it is a a feat of special effects. That’s why it was popular, it showed people something new. And the pioneering work Cameron did with his team made characters like Thanos possible. He’s basically been driving RnD for the industry for the past 20 years. That’s why I want to see the second one, because I’m sure it will show me something that dazzles me even if the story is only so so. I’ve never understood why some people resent it’s success, doesn’t seem worth it. It’s not the MCU so it’s bad. The irony being of course that you are claiming those people who are criticising Avatar only like the MCU when I have a Green Arrow avatar...
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 22, 2019 2:35:22 GMT
I realize not everybody’s asking for Jane Foster’s Thor, but I’m still being optimistic. See, I don’t think Kevin Fiege or Taika Wattiti would choose to adapt a relatively controversial recent line if neither were confident that they can pull it off in a better way. I’m taking the smart approach of waiting and seeing for more substantial footage or a trailer before I judge if it was a good idea or not. They need to do it in a way that still honors and respects the original character, which as I understand it was a large part of the problem with that storyline for comic book fans.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 22, 2019 2:38:56 GMT
It’s not the MCU so it’s bad. The irony being of course that you are claiming those people who are criticising Avatar only like the MCU when I have a Green Arrow avatar... I believe it's mainly due to how Avatar as a movie turned into a not-so-subtle environmental protection story about natives trying to get the invaders out of their land. At face value story-wise, it's a lame movie, but personally I'm glad of it's success considering the film is a visual effects masterpiece that made so many revolutionary additions to VFX work (many still used to this day) and even years later the effects still hold up. Endgame's success, while you could blame things like hype and a rerelease that was ultimately pointless, I still think is a neat thing in filmmaking history considering how a film based on comic-book superheroes was built on a decade worth of other connected movies in this new concept called a "Cinematic Universe" and pretty much created this huge bond with film fans and comic fans over characters that have become household names and regarded as legends.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 22, 2019 2:43:28 GMT
I realize not everybody’s asking for Jane Foster’s Thor, but I’m still being optimistic. See, I don’t think Kevin Fiege or Taika Wattiti would choose to adapt a relatively controversial recent line if neither were confident that they can pull it off in a better way. I’m taking the smart approach of waiting and seeing for more substantial footage or a trailer before I judge if it was a good idea or not. Oh of course she could nail it. She is a good actress after all. Just she also is reported to not really like the MCU and had bad times with it...and didn't do the best in that role...so its an odd decision. It could work. Well, I think I'm more confident this can work because of the fact that Taika Wattiti is involved. This guy managed to take a character who's movies weren't that solid in the older MCU and suddenly created a new Thor that's awesome and a fan-favorite, so I believe he can also bring back a better Jane Foster than the previous two films where she was relegated mainly to hero's love interest. And again, I also have confidence Taika can take a controversial character and make a version that keeps the good stuff while ignoring the bad stuff or things that don't work. That's pretty much how adaptations work in the first place.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 22, 2019 2:44:22 GMT
Actually beyond this 'headscratcher' with love and thunder I am actually really excited about everything else. Maybe too much good stuff going on. More then excited for both Black Widow and Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Plus with Wanda in the latter means that just because the Endgame story is over a staple of the first few phases will still continue on. Then there is the Hawkeye show and I know my wife will be excited for both Loki and WandaVision.
I just wonder what the Phase 4 storyline is about in the end...I mean you have the Eternals, I guess the Skrulls in some capacity...some hints and rumors of Secret Invasion...but then you have all this multiverse stuff.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 22, 2019 2:52:53 GMT
Im interested in the Black Widow movie, and Doctor Strange. I'm unfamiliar with the Eternals and never heard of Shang Shi.
I'm noping the hell out of Jane Foster Thor though. We've already had unworthy Thor and hammerless Thor. Both movies were done better than Jane Foster.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 22, 2019 3:40:49 GMT
Actually beyond this 'headscratcher' with love and thunder I am actually really excited about everything else. Maybe too much good stuff going on. More then excited for both Black Widow and Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Plus with Wanda in the latter means that just because the Endgame story is over a staple of the first few phases will still continue on. Then there is the Hawkeye show and I know my wife will be excited for both Loki and WandaVision. I just wonder what the Phase 4 storyline is about in the end...I mean you have the Eternals, I guess the Skrulls in some capacity...some hints and rumors of Secret Invasion...but then you have all this multiverse stuff. From what I understand, Kevin Fiegie said that this Phase is about "beginnings" and apparently there's no single storyline like in previous phases. This phase is an opportunity to introduce new heroes and concepts while also taking heroes you thought you knew and giving audiences a better chance to know them.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 22, 2019 4:01:28 GMT
I’ve never understood why some people resent it’s success, doesn’t seem worth it. Because it's plot shamelessly ripped off Dances with Wolves, Ferngully and Pocahontas, while having unfortunate undertones of Jake being the Great White Saviour here to save the Na'vi Noble Savages.
My primary issue though is how the nuance of the original script was removed in the final film.
Rather than trying to exploit Pandora for it's resources like in the final film, the original script had humanity travel to Pandora from a dying Earth, in the hopes of either using the alien flora/fauna to revive our own dying ecosystem, or else serve as a potential new home for humanity.
Humans were still the "bad" guys, albeit driven by desperation more than greed, along with frustration at the increasing number of animal attacks on their settlements. It was later revealed that Pandora itself was responsible for these attacks, viewing humans as a "virus" that it needed to eradicate.
The situation was far less cut-and-dry than what we ended up with in the final film.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 22, 2019 4:35:05 GMT
So, why didn't Tony give his secret super powerful AI defense network computer to his wife or his own kid, hmmm? He did.
A picture of Peter was shown alongside other photos of Tony's loved ones and family in Endgame, suggesting that Tony saw Peter as a surrogate son. The two definitely were depicted as having a father-son dynamic throughout Civil War, Homecoming and Infinity War, even if Tony would never admit it.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 22, 2019 10:03:55 GMT
So, why didn't Tony give his secret super powerful AI defense network computer to his wife or his own kid, hmmm? Pepper likely doesn't want it - I imagine she wants to focus on parenting and running Stark Industries, not being a superhero - Morgan is literally four.
Now, I personally think the smarter move would have been leaving it to Bruce rather than Peter, but I can see why Tony wants to pass it on to the kid he sees as his successor.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 22, 2019 10:32:19 GMT
I’ve never understood why some people resent it’s success, doesn’t seem worth it. Because it's plot shamelessly ripped off Dances with Wolves, Ferngully and Pocahontas, while having unfortunate undertones of Jake being the Great White Saviour here to save the Na'vi Noble Savages.
My primary issue though is how the nuance of the original script was removed in the final film.
Rather than trying to exploit Pandora for it's resources like in the final film, the original script had humanity travel to Pandora from a dying Earth, in the hopes of either using the alien flora/fauna to revive our own dying ecosystem, or else serve as a potential new home for humanity.
Humans were still the "bad" guys, albeit driven by desperation more than greed, along with frustration at the increasing number of animal attacks on their settlements. It was later revealed that Pandora itself was responsible for these attacks, viewing humans as a "virus" that it needed to eradicate.
The situation was far less cut-and-dry than what we ended up with in the final film.
I can’t say I disagree. I just don’t think it’s worth hating really and for what it is I find it fun. Hopefully the sequels may bring in more nuance.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 22, 2019 18:04:34 GMT
So, why didn't Tony give his secret super powerful AI defense network computer to his wife or his own kid, hmmm? Pepper likely doesn't want it - I imagine she wants to focus on parenting and running Stark Industries, not being a superhero - Morgan is literally four.
Now, I personally think the smarter move would have been leaving it to Bruce rather than Peter, but I can see why Tony wants to pass it on to the kid he sees as his successor.
Bruce definitely would make sense and it kind of makes me feel ashamed that Bruce had been sidelined a lot. Though I guess thinking about it, Bruce may be a genius, but he's not Tony Stark. He wouldn't necessarily want to do what Tony did and I'm guessing even with his hulk side finally on his side, he wouldn't be comfortable with having so much power in his fingertips. Same with Pepper who's already running a whole company for a start. Knowing her character, she wouldn't really be thrilled with the idea of having an entire global security network with her. As for Tony's own kid, you do realize Morgan was like EIGHT or younger right?
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Post by Iakus on Jul 22, 2019 18:42:24 GMT
Pepper likely doesn't want it - I imagine she wants to focus on parenting and running Stark Industries, not being a superhero - Morgan is literally four.
Now, I personally think the smarter move would have been leaving it to Bruce rather than Peter, but I can see why Tony wants to pass it on to the kid he sees as his successor.
Bruce definitely would make sense and it kind of makes me feel ashamed that Bruce had been sidelined a lot. Though I guess thinking about it, Bruce may be a genius, but he's not Tony Stark. He wouldn't necessarily want to do what Tony did and I'm guessing even with his hulk side finally on his side, he wouldn't be comfortable with having so much power in his fingertips. Same with Pepper who's already running a whole company for a start. Knowing her character, she wouldn't really be thrilled with the idea of having an entire global security network with her. As for Tony's own kid, you do realize Morgan was like EIGHT or younger right? Bruce is a genius too, but he and Tony have different areas of specialty. But yeah, Banner also has spent years denying power, knowing what could happen if he lost control.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 23, 2019 5:27:37 GMT
Bruce is a genius too, but he and Tony have different areas of specialty. But yeah, Banner also has spent years denying power, knowing what could happen if he lost control. Banner might be a liability too, as his balance with the Hulk might be temporary or shift.
We know that in his Professor Hulk form, Banner is the dominant personality, able to combine his intellect with Hulk's strength. But what would happen if Hulk's personality shifted to the forefront, combining his aggression with Banner's incredible intellect? The result might be similar to the Maestro from the comics, someone that definitely should not have unlimited access to the contents of Tony's toolbox.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 23, 2019 13:14:23 GMT
Bruce is a genius too, but he and Tony have different areas of specialty. But yeah, Banner also has spent years denying power, knowing what could happen if he lost control. Banner might be a liability too, as his balance with the Hulk might be temporary or shift.
We know that in his Professor Hulk form, Banner is the dominant personality, able to combine his intellect with Hulk's strength. But what would happen if Hulk's personality shifted to the forefront, combining his aggression with Banner's incredible intellect? The result might be similar to the Maestro from the comics, someone that definitely should not have unlimited access to the contents of Tony's toolbox. Or at the very least, he might become the Grey Hulk
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 23, 2019 16:10:34 GMT
So, why didn't Tony give his secret super powerful AI defense network computer to his wife or his own kid, hmmm? Who is to say he didn’t? Maybe it’s like how Pepper has Friday while Peter has Karen.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 23, 2019 16:13:16 GMT
I'm no expert on the comics, but it also seems to me that even a sane and intelligent Bruce Banner still specializes in biochemistry and nuclear physics. That's mostly theoretical, very out-there science-y stuff. Tony's power and empire are built on engineering. It makes sense that he would try to bequeath it to a fellow engineer who would be disposed towards using and improving on his technology in the field.
That's unquestionably Peter, if it is anyone.
There's a case to be made that Bruce would use Tony's toys and resources to conduct great research which might benefit the world in an even more impactful way down the line, but my sense is that Tony was always too focused on the practical nitty-gritty of developing new technologies for specific purposes to donate his entire legacy to such an abstract and uncertain cause.
Unlike Banner he wasn't a scientist by nature, he was a grease monkey. And grease monkeys don't let their work go to waste.
Pepper, meanwhile, has no special passion for either technology, programming or world-saving that I know of. And leaving anything that important in the hands of a four-yearold on the off-chance that she would grow up to be both suited for it and interested in it would be ridiculous. I don't see why in the world he would leave either of them with the responsibility.
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Post by mybudgee on Jul 23, 2019 17:35:17 GMT
I realize not everybody’s asking for Jane Foster’s Thor, but I’m still being optimistic. See, I don’t think Kevin Fiege or Taika Wattiti would choose to adapt a relatively controversial recent line if neither were confident that they can pull it off in a better way. I’m taking the smart approach of waiting and seeing for more substantial footage or a trailer You have to take the r ecent past into account, this is also a "smart" approach
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Post by Iakus on Jul 23, 2019 17:51:22 GMT
I'm no expert on the comics, but it also seems to me that even a sane and intelligent Bruce Banner still specializes in biochemistry and nuclear physics. That's mostly theoretical, very out-there science-y stuff. Tony's power and empire are built on engineering. It makes sense that he would try to bequeath it to a fellow engineer who would be disposed towards using and improving on his technology in the field. That's unquestionably Peter, if it is anyone. There's a case to be made that Bruce would use Tony's toys and resources to conduct great research which might benefit the world in an even more impactful way down the line, but my sense is that Tony was always too focused on the practical nitty-gritty of developing new technologies for specific purposes to donate his entire legacy to such an abstract and uncertain cause. Unlike Banner he wasn't a scientist by nature, he was a grease monkey. And grease monkeys don't let their work go to waste. Pepper, meanwhile, has no special passion for either technology, programming or world-saving that I know of. And leaving anything that important in the hands of a four-yearold on the off-chance that she would grow up to be both suited for it and interested in it would be ridiculous. I don't see why in the world he would leave either of them with the responsibility. Gotta wonder what Reed Richards would make of TOny's stuff...
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 23, 2019 19:20:16 GMT
I'm no expert on the comics, but it also seems to me that even a sane and intelligent Bruce Banner still specializes in biochemistry and nuclear physics. That's mostly theoretical, very out-there science-y stuff. Tony's power and empire are built on engineering. It makes sense that he would try to bequeath it to a fellow engineer who would be disposed towards using and improving on his technology in the field. That's unquestionably Peter, if it is anyone. There's a case to be made that Bruce would use Tony's toys and resources to conduct great research which might benefit the world in an even more impactful way down the line, but my sense is that Tony was always too focused on the practical nitty-gritty of developing new technologies for specific purposes to donate his entire legacy to such an abstract and uncertain cause. Unlike Banner he wasn't a scientist by nature, he was a grease monkey. And grease monkeys don't let their work go to waste. Pepper, meanwhile, has no special passion for either technology, programming or world-saving that I know of. And leaving anything that important in the hands of a four-yearold on the off-chance that she would grow up to be both suited for it and interested in it would be ridiculous. I don't see why in the world he would leave either of them with the responsibility. Gotta wonder what Reed Richards would make of TOny's stuff... Depends on how the MCU interprets Reed Richards. Speaking of which, I once a heard a fan story on how he would interpret the Fantastic Four's intro to the MCU, and he says he would like the Family to come from the 60s and end up in the present day due to the experiment's time travel stuff. Do you think this would be a solid way or should it happen a different way?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 23, 2019 19:29:01 GMT
I realize not everybody’s asking for Jane Foster’s Thor, but I’m still being optimistic. See, I don’t think Kevin Fiege or Taika Wattiti would choose to adapt a relatively controversial recent line if neither were confident that they can pull it off in a better way. I’m taking the smart approach of waiting and seeing for more substantial footage or a trailer You have to take the r ecent past into account, this is also a "smart" approach First off, the Kitchen isn't even out yet. And even if it was, it's based on an ACTUAL DC Vertigo graphic novel, and is not like your other examples where women replaced a generally all guy cast. Second, unlike these examples, this is still going to be a THOR movie. Natalie Portman is a side character while Chris Hemsworth is still starring.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 23, 2019 20:05:43 GMT
Second, unlike these examples, this is still going to be a THOR movie. Natalie Portman is a side character while Chris Hemsworth is still starring. Except they've explicitly said Jane Foster is going to be "The Mighty Thor"
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 23, 2019 20:09:19 GMT
Second, unlike these examples, this is still going to be a THOR movie. Natalie Portman is a side character while Chris Hemsworth is still starring. Except they've explicitly said Jane Foster is going to be "The Mighty Thor" The point still stands. Chris Hemsworth is still the star of the movie, and while Jane Foster will become Thor, she won't be the MAIN Thor.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 23, 2019 20:18:21 GMT
Except they've explicitly said Jane Foster is going to be "The Mighty Thor" The point still stands. Chris Hemsworth is still the star of the movie, and while Jane Foster will become Thor, she won't be the MAIN Thor. You sure about that? Everything I've read says that while he'll be in it, Portman is the star. Edit: And again, Thor is a name, not a title. It's one thing for her to be deemed "worthy" and have the power of Thor. It's another to take his name away and give it to her. Steve Rogers didn't become Thor when he wielded Mjolnir, did he?
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