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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 17, 2019 14:45:00 GMT
I can see the proposed changes to Professor X and Magneto being presented as a reference to their original inspirations: Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X. Both men served as analogs for what the X-Men and Brotherhood of Mutants espoused as far as human/mutant relations went when Stan Lee created them, so if Marvel is going to take that idea and run with it I personally have no problem.
However, this will require a change to both characters in terms of their subsequent background lore; case in point being Magneto and his (mainstream) origin as a Holocaust survivor. No biggie if something like that changes, since alternative origin stories occur all the time in the comics, but (IMO) Marvel needs to make a distinction here. They can't have it both ways without shortchanging (and subsequently ticking off) fans of both sides.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 18, 2019 2:03:44 GMT
If you ask me, I would like to see an MCU version of Magneto that wasn't from the Holocaust and instead had a backstory involving a different genocide like Rwanda or something. I think the Holocaust is pretty much common knowledge already, and for the most part was relatively black and white in terms of morality (the Nazis were racist and evil, thus they tried to exterminate the Jews). Rwanda definitely had a similar approach, but from my understanding, the whole situation was more complex and kind of morally grey, which in my opinion would help fuel an MCU Magneto's hatred for humans because there were seemingly no "good guys" anywhere.
That's probably a stretch on my part. I get a feeling that if the X-Men and the mutants were to come to the MCU, they're going to have to move away from the overused Mutants vs Humans storylines.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 18, 2019 20:47:30 GMT
So JJ Abrams and his son are writing a Spider-man comic, and the first issue released today.
I think it is awesome and a really unique direction to take Spider-Man!
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Post by Hier0phant on Sept 18, 2019 21:57:13 GMT
I can see the proposed changes to Professor X and Magneto being presented as a reference to their original inspirations: Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X. Both men served as analogs for what the X-Men and Brotherhood of Mutants espoused as far as human/mutant relations went when Stan Lee created them, so if Marvel is going to take that idea and run with it I personally have no problem. However, this will require a change to both characters in terms of their subsequent background lore; case in point being Magneto and his (mainstream) origin as a Holocaust survivor. No biggie if something like that changes, since alternative origin stories occur all the time in the comics, but (IMO) Marvel needs to make a distinction here. They can't have it both ways without shortchanging (and subsequently ticking off) fans of both sides. Thanks to todays political climate this can go beyond the fans. Magneto's case is weird because normally you have characters who have been racebent/genderbent multiple times but with Mags a Holocaust survivor he's a first for Marvel, and can be viewed as a culturally relevant character like T'Challa and Kamala Khan. A modern film adaption of the character sticking to his source material can be a problem, his age, and is arguably the biggest reason why he would need a background change. In the comics they de-aged him through convolted plotlines that the potential MCU adaption won't have the luxury of exploiting without confusing their audience. Making him an American activist (think Leonard Peltier) from the CR era would be a safer choice for Disney because making him a survivor from one of the foreign genocides of the latter half of the 20th century could still potentially cause controversy because of how people from both sides of the massacres view the events. www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/04/24/it-wasnt-just-the-armenians-the-other-20th-century-massacres-we-ignore/
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 19, 2019 0:12:26 GMT
I can see the proposed changes to Professor X and Magneto being presented as a reference to their original inspirations: Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X. Both men served as analogs for what the X-Men and Brotherhood of Mutants espoused as far as human/mutant relations went when Stan Lee created them, so if Marvel is going to take that idea and run with it I personally have no problem. However, this will require a change to both characters in terms of their subsequent background lore; case in point being Magneto and his (mainstream) origin as a Holocaust survivor. No biggie if something like that changes, since alternative origin stories occur all the time in the comics, but (IMO) Marvel needs to make a distinction here. They can't have it both ways without shortchanging (and subsequently ticking off) fans of both sides. Thanks to todays political climate this can go beyond the fans. Magneto's case is weird because normally you have characters who have been racebent/genderbent multiple times but with Mags a Holocaust survivor he's a first for Marvel, and can be viewed as a culturally relevant character like T'Challa and Kamala Khan. A modern film adaption of the character sticking to his source material can be a problem, his age, and is arguably the biggest reason why he would need a background change. In the comics they de-aged him through convolted plotlines that the potential MCU adaption won't have the luxury of exploiting without confusing their audience. Making him an American activist (think Leonard Peltier) from the CR era would be a safer choice for Disney because making him a survivor from one of the foreign genocides of the latter half of the 20th century could still potentially cause controversy because of how people from both sides of the massacres view the events. www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/04/24/it-wasnt-just-the-armenians-the-other-20th-century-massacres-we-ignore/ I personally agree with this. Although, considering the Holocaust was at it's most brutal roughly 75 years ago, I don't think it would be that hard for Marvel to retain Magneto's original Holocaust origin, especially if they have him really young or heck, even just born. Although the question of racebending would still be an issue. Besides, these reports are usually taken with a grain of salt.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 19, 2019 20:00:47 GMT
Dude, I think it was pretty obvious even from the initial announcement that this was still going to be a Chris Hemsworth starring movie. This shouldn't be that big a surprise.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 19, 2019 20:09:19 GMT
Dude, I think it was pretty obvious even from the initial announcement that this was still going to be a Chris Hemsworth starring movie. This shouldn't be that big a surprise. Eh, they were making a big deal of showing Natalie Portman with Mjolnir. Plus with the whole Falcon getting Cap's shield, Clint training a successor, the hints of a new Black Widow being introduced in the movie, etc, I think it was a reasonable concern.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 19, 2019 20:38:39 GMT
Dude, I think it was pretty obvious even from the initial announcement that this was still going to be a Chris Hemsworth starring movie. This shouldn't be that big a surprise. Eh, they were making a big deal of showing Natalie Portman with Mjolnir. Plus with the whole Falcon getting Cap's shield, Clint training a successor, the hints of a new Black Widow being introduced in the movie, etc, I think it was a reasonable concern. I don't really get the concern too much. I mean, just because a character originally didn't work in the comics doesn't automatically mean it wouldn't work in a movie right? I mean, by that logic, there should have been no way that characters like Thor, Ant-Man, Captain America, or Iron Man would be huge blockbuster hits in the movies.
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 19, 2019 22:29:49 GMT
I don't think there's a case so far where a secondary character, even one in the title or even just suggested in it, upstaged the primary character.
Closest might be Ant-Man and the Wasp, which in my opinion came dangerously close. Just make a Wasp film or show (or god, just bring back interesting cinematic double-features!) if you're going to emphasize certain characters that much. But them as a duo wasn't bad.
I did not assume Jane would upstage Thor, though I'll be at least a little concerned if promos only seem to care about her development and presence.
Nothing wrong with some variety. Hulk in Ragnarok wasn't bad - or at least the issues I have with that film don't have to do with Hulk being around.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 21, 2019 18:44:28 GMT
Eternals is a film I'm really looking into. While I'm not familiar with the comic characters, the basis of this film seems to be some sort of Galactic Fantasy epicness like GOT in Space. That's a really cool concept! Hopefully will turn out better than when Marvel tried to adapt the Inhuman royal family for TV. (Frankly, it was a combination of tonal issues and that it was a TV budget that hurt the series)
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 21, 2019 19:06:44 GMT
The official SDCC'19 trailer for the Infinity Saga, shown when Kevin Fiege announced there will be the possibility of an Infinity Saga Box Set.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 22, 2019 20:57:07 GMT
Okay, considering the primary source for this is a Youtube channel, I'm really taking this with a grain of salt. Besides, I don't really see the connection between Spider-Man supporting the character of Captain Marvel, and bear in mind, so far Carol Danvers only had one feature-length film and a side role in Endgame. It's possible that the reason they're not doing a Captain Marvel 2 in Phase 4 partly has to do with their line-up already in development, as well as their Disney+ programs filling up. It could also be that Marvel realizes that the first Captain Marvel movie didn't do that well, so they're taking some extra time to figure out exactly how to make the character work for the sequel.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 28, 2019 0:07:02 GMT
YAY! Only issue with this announcement is that it seems the new deal they reached covers only the upcoming third Spider-Man movie and one more MCU film, meaning it's possible that after these two films, no more MCU Spidey. Then again, perhaps they can use the opportunity to give Holland's Spider-man a proper send-off.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Sept 28, 2019 5:48:12 GMT
YAY! Only issue with this announcement is that it seems the new deal they reached covers only the upcoming third Spider-Man movie and one more MCU film, meaning it's possible that after these two films, no more MCU Spidey. Then again, perhaps they can use the opportunity to give Holland's Spider-man a proper send-off. Hmmmmm. Maybe they can negotiate with Sony to get the Miles Morales rights back in exchange for ceding Peter Parker? Or vice versa? That way both companies would have a Spider-Man of their own.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 28, 2019 16:28:20 GMT
YAY! Only issue with this announcement is that it seems the new deal they reached covers only the upcoming third Spider-Man movie and one more MCU film, meaning it's possible that after these two films, no more MCU Spidey. Then again, perhaps they can use the opportunity to give Holland's Spider-man a proper send-off. Hmmmmm. Maybe they can negotiate with Sony to get the Miles Morales rights back in exchange for ceding Peter Parker? Or vice versa? That way both companies would have a Spider-Man of their own. Then again, I doubt Sony would be willing due to the popularity of their animated Spider-Verse films. If anything, I think the reverse would be a solid idea. Let Marvel keep Peter Parker and give Sony Miles Morales.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 28, 2019 17:29:09 GMT
Hmmmmm. Maybe they can negotiate with Sony to get the Miles Morales rights back in exchange for ceding Peter Parker? Or vice versa? That way both companies would have a Spider-Man of their own. Then again, I doubt Sony would be willing due to the popularity of their animated Spider-Verse films. If anything, I think the reverse would be a solid idea. Let Marvel keep Peter Parker and give Sony Miles Morales. More likely will be SOny may prove amenable to letting more characters make trips to the MCU: Miles (who is already implied to be), Venom, etc.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 28, 2019 18:07:09 GMT
Then again, I doubt Sony would be willing due to the popularity of their animated Spider-Verse films. If anything, I think the reverse would be a solid idea. Let Marvel keep Peter Parker and give Sony Miles Morales. More likely will be SOny may prove amenable to letting more characters make trips to the MCU: Miles (who is already implied to be), Venom, etc. Like I said though, because of the popular animated Spider-Verse movie and with many more animated Spider-Verse movies in the future, I'm not 100% sure if Sony would be willing to just give the film rights for Miles Morales to Disney. I mean, I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure you can't have seperate movie rights to a character for animation AND live action.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 28, 2019 21:27:51 GMT
More likely will be SOny may prove amenable to letting more characters make trips to the MCU: Miles (who is already implied to be), Venom, etc. Like I said though, because of the popular animated Spider-Verse movie and with many more animated Spider-Verse movies in the future, I'm not 100% sure if Sony would be willing to just give the film rights for Miles Morales to Disney. I mean, I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure you can't have seperate movie rights to a character for animation AND live action. I don't know if animation makes a difference, but 20th Century Fox and Disney have each had their own versions of Piotr Maximoff ie Quicksilver
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 29, 2019 3:17:47 GMT
Like I said though, because of the popular animated Spider-Verse movie and with many more animated Spider-Verse movies in the future, I'm not 100% sure if Sony would be willing to just give the film rights for Miles Morales to Disney. I mean, I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure you can't have seperate movie rights to a character for animation AND live action. I don't know if animation makes a difference, but 20th Century Fox and Disney have each had their own versions of Piotr Maximoff ie Quicksilver Except Marvel had to kill Quicksilver off to avoid copyright problems
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Post by Iakus on Sept 29, 2019 14:52:27 GMT
I don't know if animation makes a difference, but 20th Century Fox and Disney have each had their own versions of Piotr Maximoff ie Quicksilver Except Marvel had to kill Quicksilver off to avoid copyright problems Because that's the deal they came up with. There is no law of nature saying there can only be one incarnation of a character at a time. Maybe another dal can be reached. Let's put it another way: Into the Spiderverse also had Wilson and Vanessa Fisk and Aaron Davis, all of whom have appeared in the MCU (and survived)
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