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Post by Gileadan on May 25, 2021 6:23:39 GMT
That looks like some weird bombastic boredom to me. I'm no comic fan at all, but I knew who the Avengers are and watched the movies. These guys? Never heard of any of them, no idea who they are and what they do (apparently nothing, given how they "never interfere" according to the trailer voice over, not even when Thanos snapped his fingers), and there's no hint of any interesting plot in that trailer. *head scratch* There's probably a target audience somewhere out there, but I don't feel that I'm a part of it.
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Post by Iakus on May 25, 2021 16:50:04 GMT
That looks like some weird bombastic boredom to me. I'm no comic fan at all, but I knew who the Avengers are and watched the movies. These guys? Never heard of any of them, no idea who they are and what they do (apparently nothing, given how they "never interfere" according to the trailer voice over, not even when Thanos snapped his fingers), and there's no hint of any interesting plot in that trailer. *head scratch* There's probably a target audience somewhere out there, but I don't feel that I'm a part of it. All I know about them is that Sersi (the Gemma Chan character) is an Avenger in the comics, and is in a relationship with the Avenger called The Black Knight (the Kit Harington character)
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 25, 2021 20:48:57 GMT
That looks like some weird bombastic boredom to me. I'm no comic fan at all, but I knew who the Avengers are and watched the movies. These guys? Never heard of any of them, no idea who they are and what they do (apparently nothing, given how they "never interfere" according to the trailer voice over, not even when Thanos snapped his fingers), and there's no hint of any interesting plot in that trailer. *head scratch* There's probably a target audience somewhere out there, but I don't feel that I'm a part of it. I hadn't heard of them, either. And you're right, this does look - on first glance, which is pretty bad for a trailer of an obscure property - to be rather dull. On the other hand, I'd never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy either. Talking tree? Awesome, Marvel have jumped the shark. Literally what I said to a friend when I heard about it (before seeing the trailers). The point; I guess, for me, at this point - Marvel have probably earned the benefit of the doubt. It could suck, but history suggests that Marvel - studios - know what they're doing with this stuff (maybe not from a comics purist point of view, but who the hell cares about those 7 people) when it comes to bringing lesser known properties to the larger public awareness.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 26, 2021 7:28:02 GMT
That looks like some weird bombastic boredom to me. I'm no comic fan at all, but I knew who the Avengers are and watched the movies. These guys? Never heard of any of them, no idea who they are and what they do (apparently nothing, given how they "never interfere" according to the trailer voice over, not even when Thanos snapped his fingers), and there's no hint of any interesting plot in that trailer. *head scratch* There's probably a target audience somewhere out there, but I don't feel that I'm a part of it. I hadn't heard of them, either. And you're right, this does look - on first glance, which is pretty bad for a trailer of an obscure property - to be rather dull. On the other hand, I'd never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy either. Talking tree? Awesome, Marvel have jumped the shark. Literally what I said to a friend when I heard about it (before seeing the trailers). The point; I guess, for me, at this point - Marvel have probably earned the benefit of the doubt. It could suck, but history suggests that Marvel - studios - know what they're doing with this stuff (maybe not from a comics purist point of view, but who the hell cares about those 7 people) when it comes to bringing lesser known properties to the larger public awareness. Yeah. I mean people thought that since the first Iron Man movie “Seriously, they’re making a movie on some B-List Marvel hero when even their A-List ones aren’t doing well?” and look where they are now. Their studio has made their fortune taking comic characters that weren’t seen worth movie studios buying into billion dollar blockbusters.
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Post by Iakus on May 26, 2021 15:34:48 GMT
I hadn't heard of them, either. And you're right, this does look - on first glance, which is pretty bad for a trailer of an obscure property - to be rather dull. On the other hand, I'd never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy either. Talking tree? Awesome, Marvel have jumped the shark. Literally what I said to a friend when I heard about it (before seeing the trailers). The point; I guess, for me, at this point - Marvel have probably earned the benefit of the doubt. It could suck, but history suggests that Marvel - studios - know what they're doing with this stuff (maybe not from a comics purist point of view, but who the hell cares about those 7 people) when it comes to bringing lesser known properties to the larger public awareness. Yeah. I mean people thought that since the first Iron Man movie “Seriously, they’re making a movie on some B-List Marvel hero when even their A-List ones aren’t doing well?” and look where they are now. Their studio has made their fortune taking comic characters that weren’t seen worth movie studios buying into billion dollar blockbusters. Maybe. But at this point the MCU has to contend with the fact that the entire starter team for the Avengers are now dead or retired (well, except Thor, but it sounds like he's about to pass the torch too) So now it's a big question mark as to whether "the next generation" will have the same draw. I mean, yeah Guardians of the Galaxy was a pleasant surprise, but can they do it again?
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Post by Gileadan on May 27, 2021 5:59:44 GMT
That looks like some weird bombastic boredom to me. I'm no comic fan at all, but I knew who the Avengers are and watched the movies. These guys? Never heard of any of them, no idea who they are and what they do (apparently nothing, given how they "never interfere" according to the trailer voice over, not even when Thanos snapped his fingers), and there's no hint of any interesting plot in that trailer. *head scratch* There's probably a target audience somewhere out there, but I don't feel that I'm a part of it. I hadn't heard of them, either. And you're right, this does look - on first glance, which is pretty bad for a trailer of an obscure property - to be rather dull. On the other hand, I'd never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy either. Talking tree? Awesome, Marvel have jumped the shark. Literally what I said to a friend when I heard about it (before seeing the trailers). The point; I guess, for me, at this point - Marvel have probably earned the benefit of the doubt. It could suck, but history suggests that Marvel - studios - know what they're doing with this stuff (maybe not from a comics purist point of view, but who the hell cares about those 7 people) when it comes to bringing lesser known properties to the larger public awareness. I think they certainly earned the benefit of the doubt as far as box office success is concerned, but when it comes to actual entertainment value, I feel that the MCU is generally overrated. Sure, I greatly enjoyed the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier and the first Avengers movie, but for each of those there is a snooze fest like Captain Marvel, Age of Ultron or any Thor movie. Bombastic spectacles that made me go "oh wow" once in a while but then were quickly forgotten. And the Avengers movies benefitted from every major character having their own movie series to flesh them out, while those Eternals fellas come out of nowhere with no interesting backgrounds to speak of. Nice costumes though.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 27, 2021 6:46:17 GMT
I hadn't heard of them, either. And you're right, this does look - on first glance, which is pretty bad for a trailer of an obscure property - to be rather dull. On the other hand, I'd never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy either. Talking tree? Awesome, Marvel have jumped the shark. Literally what I said to a friend when I heard about it (before seeing the trailers). The point; I guess, for me, at this point - Marvel have probably earned the benefit of the doubt. It could suck, but history suggests that Marvel - studios - know what they're doing with this stuff (maybe not from a comics purist point of view, but who the hell cares about those 7 people) when it comes to bringing lesser known properties to the larger public awareness. I think they certainly earned the benefit of the doubt as far as box office success is concerned, but when it comes to actual entertainment value, I feel that the MCU is generally overrated. Sure, I greatly enjoyed the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier and the first Avengers movie, but for each of those there is a snooze fest like Captain Marvel, Age of Ultron or any Thor movie. Bombastic spectacles that made me go "oh wow" once in a while but then were quickly forgotten. And the Avengers movies benefitted from every major character having their own movie series to flesh them out, while those Eternals fellas come out of nowhere with no interesting backgrounds to speak of. Nice costumes though. I’m generally fairly forgiving of these films, but it is interesting to see my least favourite MCU film - the Dark World notwithstanding - be listed as one of your favourites (Winter Soldier). Since mid way between Ultron and Infinity War, I’ve actually viewed the MCU as a TV series you have to wait 6-9 months between episodes for. And with TV series, you have episodes that build up, and episodes that pay off (and of course, some that do both). With Eternals, the prime difference is just that they are telling the origin story of an ensemble, as opposed to an individual. Doesn’t make that trailer any less ‘meh’, though.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 2, 2021 5:31:14 GMT
Yeah. I mean people thought that since the first Iron Man movie “Seriously, they’re making a movie on some B-List Marvel hero when even their A-List ones aren’t doing well?” and look where they are now. Their studio has made their fortune taking comic characters that weren’t seen worth movie studios buying into billion dollar blockbusters. I mean, yeah Guardians of the Galaxy was a pleasant surprise, but can they do it again? Honestly, I doubt it. Phase 3 was perhaps the greatest cinematic achievement in action movie history. To top that will be incredibly difficult, and I predict by the New Year we'll know if Phase 4 will be an against-all-odds-triumph or a colossal failure. It will either be one or the other. The stakes are too high for it to be "just okay" The Black Widow movie will be a big indicator, if nothing else of how the feature films of phase 4 will pan out. I, for one was pleasantly surprised by the finale of WandaVision & the Falcon show (more so by WandaVision)
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Post by Noxluxe on Jun 9, 2021 22:49:46 GMT
Wow. I'd say "I knew it" or something along those lines, but fact is I had no earthly idea how bad the MCU's writing could truly get. Tying the television shows to the movies was a mistake. This should have been a wacky alternate universe what-if standalone thing that had nothing to do with the narrative of the films, as should Wandavision. It wouldn't have saved them, but at least it'd have insulated the movies from this garbage. Bit harder to do with Falcon and Winter soldier though, which might have meant not getting that show at all. What a world that could have been. All that said, it is nice to see good old Hal Henry IV Tom Hiddleston as Loki again. Even if he's almost nothing like himself.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 24, 2021 8:40:13 GMT
The only thing I'm going to say about Falcon/Winter Soldier right now is that what they did to Sharon's character is pretty shit.
All I have to say about Loki right now is I'm not a fan of time travel shit. I didn't like it in Endgame, and I don't like that they're expanding on it.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 4, 2021 15:48:47 GMT
Ah, what the hell. Nobody's reading this thread anyway. So, in regards to Falcon and Winter Soldier: Karli and the Flag Smashers are not remotely sympathetic, despite the show's every effort. I can't really imagine how "the world was better when half the population was functionally dead because I PERSONALLY thrived" could ever be made into a sympathetic position, but what probably would have helped a little bit would have been seeing what her life was like and how the return of all the people who got blipped led to her displacement and suffering. As it stands all I can think when I hear complaints about how hard it's been is "Yeah, that space was available because a bunch of people got wished away by space magic, did you seriously never consider the possibility that they might return?" Marvel needs to either show this five-year period in substantial detail or just stop referencing it, in my opinion. Since I always thought it was dumb anyway, and never liked Infinity War/Endgame or this five-year-skip crap, I'd be fine with it simply never being mentioned again. That said, when Sam goaded Karli into saying dumb shit and then basically called her Hitler, I rolled my eyes. Despite being set up from his first appearance in the MCU as a highly empathetic man, he doesn't ever take the time to understand what she's suffered or why she feels the way she does (because the show does not do this work, so how could he?), and him suddenly being angry at the UN right at the very end for failing Karli and the people she was fighting for felt unbelievable to me. However, I absolutely do not fuck with the idea that John Walker is in any way a good or reasonable man. He was unbalanced and prone to bouts of violence before he was ever given the Captain America title or any super powers, that was made very clear, and I don't really have any sympathy for his reaction to his friend's death, which would never have occurred if it weren't for the violent situation that John himself 100% caused. At no point after any of his multiple fuck-ups does he ever show any self-awareness or reflect on how his problems are a result of his own actions. The fact that he was initially acting with the backing of the US government doesn't justify him at all in my opinion, because I don't believe the US should be out policing the world in the first place. Maybe Bucky and Sam have no legal right to be doing what they're doing either, but I'm less concerned with what's legal and more concerned with what's 1) right and 2) smart. Bucky and Sam were right and also smart to be trying to resolve the issue as quietly and non-violently as possible, no matter how the US government might have felt about it. And even though their refusal to team up with John is completely out of pettiness, it was 100% the correct decision, because all he does is fuck things up with his guns first hero complex nonsense. And the thing that makes me most angry: Sharon becoming the Shadow Broker is gross and makes no sense. If the worst Bucky ever got after his history as the Winter Soldier was a pardon and free therapy, then Sharon absolutely should have got the same thing, and in fact should have been lauded. In fact, it's patently ridiculous that, after every morally questionable thing that every Avenger ever did just basically got handwaved away, Sharon got treated the way she did for such a minor infraction by comparison, which everyone should actually be grateful for, because if she hadn't stolen Steve and Sam's equipment for them in Civil War, they would not have had access to it when it was time to save the world from Thanos, DUH. But even despite her punishment, I find it extremely hard to believe that Sharon would go from being a staunch and upright agent of SHIELD and then the FBI, to a cynical, callous career criminal and now a deliberate traitor who murders people in cold blood. It doesn't feel like a clever twist to me, it just feels like they brought back a character who doesn't even need to exist anymore (since Endgame scrapped Steve's actually compelling arc of moving on with his life in the modern day in favour of lame regressive bullshit enabled by time travel nonsense) just to totally butcher her in every possible way. And finally, I think "Who deserves to be Captain America?" is, frankly, the wrong question. I would have liked the show much better if it had actually come to the conclusion that "Hey, actually, nobody should be Captain America, because this ridiculous nationalist symbol is outdated and unhelpful in a world where what is actually required to fix our problems is an international collaborative effort", which Sam sort of hints at with his scolding of the UN, but would have been stronger if he had rejected the notion that he should in any way serve as a symbol for "America", rather than simply doing the right thing. Even within the world of the films, in Captain America: The First Avenger, the title is introduced as a marketing gimmick, designed to convince people to buy war bonds. It's not pure or idealistic, it's deliberately framed in the film as crass and cynical, and when the montage of the tour suddenly cuts to the bleak-ass grey hell-scape of the actual war front, and Steve performing for actual soldiers instead of children, it's an extremely stark contrast and a powerful, defining moment for Steve . The filmmakers understood at the time that Steve and his ideals and the qualities that make him a good man and hero are not uniquely "American" at all, have nothing to do with America. And just in case there was any doubt, Winter Soldier and Civil War made it extremely clear that what Steve actually values is doing the right thing, not "serving America" or embodying American values/ideals, which he has never claimed to do, and that he will actively oppose American government and interests if they conflict with his personal morals.
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Post by Elhanan's Ghost on Jul 4, 2021 21:06:07 GMT
Not going to touch on the rest of the post; but about these parts specifically; Karli and the Flag Smashers are not remotely sympathetic, despite the show's every effort. I can't really imagine how "the world was better when half the population was functionally dead because I PERSONALLY thrived" could ever be made into a sympathetic position, but what probably would have helped a little bit would have been seeing what her life was like and how the return of all the people who got blipped led to her displacement and suffering. The world was 'better' because from what we were told, more or less every nation on earth came together in welcoming people who wanted to live with them. Reducing a labour pool by 50% will do wonders for a governments (and the people they govern) tolerance of 'others'. Born of selfish need? Yes, absolutely. But can you really look back at, say, the last four or five years of this real world and not say "that really shitty thing wouldn't have happened if sacred fucking borders weren't a thing"? The TL/DR of that is, a bad thing that should have been avoided, happened. It doesn't mean that nothing worthwhile came from it.
And they did show suffering, after a fashion. The people who'd moved to other countries and been placed in homes belonging to the blipped were displaced - again - and moved to refugee - I'm sorry - 'relocation' camps.
However, I absolutely do not fuck with the idea that John Walker is in any way a good or reasonable man.
Good. Because he isn't. And never was.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 4, 2021 22:46:37 GMT
Not going to touch on the rest of the post; but about these parts specifically; Karli and the Flag Smashers are not remotely sympathetic, despite the show's every effort. I can't really imagine how "the world was better when half the population was functionally dead because I PERSONALLY thrived" could ever be made into a sympathetic position, but what probably would have helped a little bit would have been seeing what her life was like and how the return of all the people who got blipped led to her displacement and suffering. The world was 'better' because from what we were told, more or less every nation on earth came together in welcoming people who wanted to live with them. Reducing a labour pool by 50% will do wonders for a governments (and the people they govern) tolerance of 'others'. Born of selfish need? Yes, absolutely. But can you really look back at, say, the last four or five years of this real world and not say "that really shitty thing wouldn't have happened if sacred fucking borders weren't a thing"? The TL/DR of that is, a bad thing that should have been avoided, happened. It doesn't mean that nothing worthwhile came from it.
And they did show suffering, after a fashion. The people who'd moved to other countries and been placed in homes belonging to the blipped were displaced - again - and moved to refugee - I'm sorry - 'relocation' camps.
However, I absolutely do not fuck with the idea that John Walker is in any way a good or reasonable man.
Good. Because he isn't. And never was.
Well, that's sort of my point. We get *told* a lot of stuff when showing would have been far more effective. I think it would have been better to have a flashback actually detailing Karli's back story and showing us what the world was like for her during that period, because from what little we've been shown of it thus far, it was traumatic and absolutely fucking miserable for literally everyone else. The time to address the logistics and ramifications of half the world vanishing and then coming back five years later was in Endgame, but at no point do any of the Avengers stop to consider if they might be fucking up a bunch of people's lives, and it's a little bit late to attempt to add nuance to it now, over a year later. Plus, I'm just a little bit tired of the "demigods acting unilaterally might be bad actually" thing. Like yes, we all know in real life that it wouldn't really work out, that's why it's a fantasy. These deconstructions and this discourse have been around for decades, there's already other superhero media addressing it *now*, and I find the debate pointless because the superheros are never *actually* going to go away or stop, because of course they aren't, the franchise depends on them continuing and everyone's going to forget that the heroes ever Did A Bad the moment the next interstellar threat shows up, and they'll all go back to being lauded. I am absolutely not a fan of how the Western world, and my country in particular (Australia) handles displaced people who've come "illegally" out of desperation. What happens in our off-shore detention camps is truly horrifying, nightmare shit. If anything, the situation for the refugees in Falcon and Winter Soldier is unrealistically *nice*. But while Karli claims to be a victim, and to be helping people who are suffering, she and all her team still wear nice clothes, have smart phones, the funds to purchase superpower drugs and explosives and travel all over the globe apparently, and the connections to place operatives at the highest freaking levels of government security, in order to target the UN! I'm supposed to believe she has the resources to do all of this, but not to secure adequate food and medicine for her people? Edit: and like, clearly Karli and her cause could have benefitted from more/better exposure, because some people in this very thread are making it very clear that John Walker is the one they actually sympathise with, which is incredible to me.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 5, 2021 1:40:57 GMT
However, I absolutely do not fuck with the idea that John Walker is in any way a good or reasonable man. Good. Because he isn't. And never was.
I felt Sorry for Walker He started out, at least, a decent, reasonable man. But he was given an impossible task and FA for support. He was an ordinary, albeit very courageous man told to go up against supervillains with virtually no support. No Avengers. No SHIELD, no Stark Tech. Just "here's the shield, you're Captain America now. Good luck with that" Even Steve's two best friends gave him the cold shoulder (despite his own attempts to work with them)if not actively undermining his work, despite not wanting the mantle themselves. Seriously, Sam and Bucky were huge douches here. Anyway, I find him heading down a dark path when Lemar, the ONE guy who was supporting Walker, was murdered in front of him totally understandable. Can't condone it of course. But he was not entirely to blame.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 6, 2021 3:46:25 GMT
John wouldn't be getting his ass kicked by superpowered people in the first place if he would stop picking fights and actually listen to the people who are vastly more experienced than him in this area, instead of arrogantly expecting them to fall in line under his command.
When Bucky and Sam DID suffer John's involvement, he immediately disregarded their instructions and fucked up their plan to peacefully convince Karli to stand down, *which was working until he barged in*. Every altercation John was involved in turned violent BECAUSE of him, because he refused to listen, and not just with the Flag Smashers. Let's not forget that he also instigated violence against the Dora Milaje for no good reason, despite warnings from EVERYONE, and STILL got his ass kicked, even though they did not have superpowers or use any advanced weaponry. Because he is an arrogant, toxic, dangerous man, and he already was all of those things before he ever got the Captain America title or took any serum.
I have no sympathy for people who lose fights that *they* started. Especially when they refuse to take any personal responsibility for the consequences of their own actions.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 6, 2021 13:31:21 GMT
John wouldn't be getting his ass kicked by superpowered people in the first place if he would stop picking fights and actually listen to the people who are vastly more experienced than him in this area, instead of arrogantly expecting them to fall in line under his command. When Bucky and Sam DID suffer John's involvement, he immediately disregarded their instructions and fucked up their plan to peacefully convince Karli to stand down, *which was working until he barged in*. Every altercation John was involved in turned violent BECAUSE of him, because he refused to listen, and not just with the Flag Smashers. Let's not forget that he also instigated violence against the Dora Milaje for no good reason, despite warnings from EVERYONE, and STILL got his ass kicked, even though they did not have superpowers or use any advanced weaponry. Because he is an arrogant, toxic, dangerous man, and he already was all of those things before he ever got the Captain America title or took any serum. I have no sympathy for people who lose fights that *they* started. Especially when they refuse to take any personal responsibility for the consequences of their own actions. Don't forget Walker saved Sam and Bucky's *sses TWICE before they condescended to bring him along. And he technically WAS in charge And the Dora Milaje were in blatant violation of the Sokovia Accords as well as a host of other international treaties. He had every right to object,even if they were totally outclassed at the time (Story of Walker's life ever since he put the suit on) "The Dora Milaje have jurisdiction wherever the Dora Milaje find themselves to be." LOL. Totally reasonable people there.,
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Post by Elhanan's Ghost on Jul 6, 2021 19:51:37 GMT
Walker failed to realize that he was not Captain America, Avenger. He was Captain America, political theatre puppet. He was appointed by his employers, rather than anointed by his peers. His purpose was to stomp about on stage punching out...Putin? I dunno, but he was unequivocally not an enhanced individual covered by the Accords (if they still hold).
But as for 'starting out decent' - no. Position and privilege don't change a person, they reveal a person. He put up an appearance of easy, affable charm. "Committed to the cause" and "Yay America". But, like most people that put up that particular facade, it was a self serving sham.
Walker was always the psychotic, narcissistic murderer that split the head of the wrong Flag Smasher because his friend died in a fight that he started.
Yes, he bailed out Sam and Bucky - but a real Captain America would've known that that should've been the end of his unsolicited aid. He was out of his depth, physically (at the start) and emotionally/mentally the whole way through.
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Post by Elhanan's Ghost on Jul 6, 2021 20:01:41 GMT
Well, that's sort of my point. We get *told* a lot of stuff when showing would have been far more effective. I think it would have been better to have a flashback actually detailing Karli's back story and showing us what the world was like for her during that period, because from what little we've been shown of it thus far, it was traumatic and absolutely fucking miserable for literally everyone else.
It probably would've been better, but that doesn't mean the basic proposition is less believable because we didn't get to see it in action. My country isn't exactly a bastion of decency and equality, either, but I have no trouble believing that such a cataclysm would result in many bad things, but also a number of unanticipated good things happening. There was a reason for all the 'Thanos had a point' videos that permeated Youtube in 2018. On balance, yes - very bad. But some peoples lives would absolutely have been better, despite the loss and anguish all around them. And it would've been people near the bottom of society, because the only way they have to move is up.
But while Karli claims to be a victim, and to be helping people who are suffering, she and all her team still wear nice clothes, have smart phones, the funds to purchase superpower drugs and explosives and travel all over the globe apparently, and the connections to place operatives at the highest freaking levels of government security, in order to target the UN! I'm supposed to believe she has the resources to do all of this, but not to secure adequate food and medicine for her people?
Didn't Sharon approach them with all the resources? My recollection is a little foggy here, and I'm sure as hell not watching that show again. It was 'fine', but that's about it. If you tell me they just happened to have all these resources with no outside help/interference, I'll accept it, but I was sure that it 'was Power Broker all along'. Which would've meant that they had the resources that a global criminal Queen wanted them to have, and no more.
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