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Post by cmdrshep2183 on May 11, 2018 19:25:44 GMT
Is the average TV viewer and American too cynical for space opera?
If the average Joe was shown Mass Effect would they think the idea of humanity becoming an interstellar civilization ridiculous?
What would be needed to make a space opera mainstream?
Mass Effect 2 is Freddie Prinze Jr's favorite video game!
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Post by mousestalker on May 11, 2018 19:28:58 GMT
I blame Comcast. They are evildoing evildoers who live at 666 Evil St, Evilville. they all have degrees in Evil (with minors in incompetence). They go to Evil church. They bowl in the Evil League of Evil Bowling.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 11, 2018 19:33:31 GMT
They're also trying to bid for Fox, which would no doubt result in X-Men sucking forever. But who's surprised? Comcast is basically C'thulhu and Satan's drug-addled lovechild.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 20:20:14 GMT
Höly fuckin shit!!!!
It is the start öf net neutrality being dead!
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Post by Sifr on May 11, 2018 22:31:35 GMT
Wait a moment, the Syfy channel has cancelled the Expanse, while Fox has been renewed the Orville for a second season? Yeah, we're definitely either in the Mirror Universe or the worst timeline, this confirms it.  |
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on May 12, 2018 9:29:20 GMT
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Post by SofaJockey on May 12, 2018 10:19:35 GMT
Wait a moment, the Syfy channel has cancelled the Expanse, while Fox has been renewed the Orville for a second season? Yeah, we're definitely either in the Mirror Universe or the worst timeline, this confirms it.  I quite enjoy the Orville, haven't seen The Expanse, but might check it out...  |
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Post by Sifr on May 12, 2018 16:06:10 GMT
I quite enjoy the Orville, haven't seen The Expanse, but might check it out...  I'd definitely recommend The Expanse, still waiting for them to drop Series 3 on Netflix UK.  |
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Post by KrrKs on May 12, 2018 16:35:44 GMT
Shame about the Expanse, I was looking forward to seeing that and have only heard good things about it.
I also really enjoyed the first season of the Orville But yeah, from what I hear (no us tv here) SyFy shows wrestling, Fox airs Science Fiction, and the Comedy Central brings accurate news. So much for Yeah, we're definitely either in the Mirror Universe or the worst timeline, this confirms it. ....  |
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Post by mousestalker on May 12, 2018 18:41:00 GMT
Shame about the Expanse, I was looking forward to seeing that and have only heard good things about it.
I also really enjoyed the first season of the Orville But yeah, from what I hear (no us tv here) SyFy shows wrestling, Fox airs Science Fiction, and the Comedy Central brings accurate news. So much for Yeah, we're definitely either in the Mirror Universe or the worst timeline, this confirms it. .... That's fairly accurate... |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 14, 2018 6:02:50 GMT
Maybe this is why I find myself looking for old science fiction series/movies from the 1950's-1990's...
At least they took science seriously in those times.
All new sci-fi is junk in one way or another...
Expanse -is not expansive enough -to much suspense and action -not enough of the science -so if it ends -no loss there.
The Orville? -joke laden innuendo crap in my science fiction? -Sorry that is a NO.
Ok maybe one exception will be the new Doctor Who... but I doubt it now that we have feminism and genderism making its way into science.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2018 20:38:40 GMT
Maybe this is why I find myself looking for old science fiction series/movies from the 1950's-1990's... At least they took science seriously in those times. All new sci-fi is junk in one way or another... Expanse -is not expansive enough -to much suspense and action -not enough of the science -so if it ends -no loss there. The Orville? -joke laden innuendo crap in my science fiction? -Sorry that is a NO. Ok maybe one exception will be the new Doctor Who... but I doubt it now that we have feminism and genderism making its way into science. Let's not pretend that science fiction within that time period was all a serious treatment of futuristic speculative storytelling. It had its share of pulp and action and ridiculousness. Saying that "all new sci-fi is junk" doesn't sound much like experience more than it does just geezer-grade generalizing about how change sucks because it's change. I can't help but find the irony in the mention of Doctor Who though, which, oft times, is the epitome of ridiculousness. It doesn't help that the show's writing quality and production value can teeter between passable to downright awful in its most recent seasons. I'd say it began to fall apart as far back as Series 7. |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 15, 2018 0:31:26 GMT
Maybe this is why I find myself looking for old science fiction series/movies from the 1950's-1990's... At least they took science seriously in those times. All new sci-fi is junk in one way or another... Expanse -is not expansive enough -to much suspense and action -not enough of the science -so if it ends -no loss there. The Orville? -joke laden innuendo crap in my science fiction? -Sorry that is a NO. Ok maybe one exception will be the new Doctor Who... but I doubt it now that we have feminism and genderism making its way into science. Let's not pretend that science fiction within that time period was all a serious treatment of futuristic speculative storytelling. It had its share of pulp and action and ridiculousness.
Saying that "all new sci-fi is junk" doesn't sound much like experience more than it does just geezer-grade generalizing about how change sucks because it's change. I can't help but find the irony in the mention of Doctor Who though, which, oft times, is the epitome of ridiculousness. It doesn't help that the show's writing quality and production value can teeter between passable to downright awful in its most recent seasons. I'd say it began to fall apart as far back as Series 7. I can understand action and ridiculousness in science fiction and nothing is wrong with that. However the level in that time period would have been maybe only seconds to a few minutes not over 10 to 15 minutes per episode like what airs today. Touche` that is a fair point for it is rather a general generalization -I shall elaborate: All new science fiction television shows give no concrete science base and base their plots on hearsay science that has yet to truly be proven. Nor can be proved with the pathetic level of technology that man currently knows. Some liberties can be allowed sure but not to level current shows try and take it. As to Doctor Who -Series 7 was the year that Steven Moffat really took control and tore the series good. While some episodes were good most were indeed eh -most good episodes S7 onward were ones he did not write. The point is there is nothing that has come out in the last decade that literally has any hard science as its core. |
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Post by Sifr on May 15, 2018 2:38:17 GMT
As to Doctor Who -Series 7 was the year that Steven Moffat really took control and tore the series good. While some episodes were good most were indeed eh -most good episodes S7 onward were ones he did not write. The point is there is nothing that has come out in the last decade that literally has any hard science as its core. Doctor Who Series 7 was flawed because despite giving the Ponds a fine send-off at the end of Series 6, he brought them back for the first half of Series 7, only to kill them off so he wouldn't be tempted to bring them back again (a lesson he sadly forgot).
Then we had a truncated second half of the series with Clara, who only existed as a plot MacGuffin (with an unsatisfying pay-off), made worse because according to Neil Gaiman, we were actually supposed to have gotten the Victorian Clara from "The Snowmen", before they hastily rewrote her as a modern character instead.
He clearly had no plans after the Eleventh Doctor either, which is evident for how the characterisation of the Twelfth Doctor is treated inconsistently throughout S8, before his darker qualities from S8 are completely jettisoned for him becoming an "Aging Rockstar" by Series 9.
S8 was also a mess because Clara overstayed her welcome and didn't gel with Twelve, had a fine exit, only Moff wanted to keep her around for the Christmas special, gave her a good exit... only then changed his (and Jenna's) mind to have her come back for Series 9.
Then he killed Clara off, wrote a fantastic episode about the Doctor dealing with grief... and then completely undermined it, by not only bringing Clara back to life, but gave her a friggin' TARDIS of her own, while sidelining the return of Gallifrey fans had been waiting over a decade for.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 15, 2018 3:34:32 GMT
As to Doctor Who -Series 7 was the year that Steven Moffat really took control and tore the series good. While some episodes were good most were indeed eh -most good episodes S7 onward were ones he did not write. The point is there is nothing that has come out in the last decade that literally has any hard science as its core. Doctor Who Series 7 was flawed because despite giving the Ponds a fine send-off at the end of Series 6, he brought them back for the first half of Series 7, only to kill them off so he wouldn't be tempted to bring them back again (a lesson he sadly forgot). Then we had a truncated second half of the series with Clara, who only existed as a plot MacGuffin (with an unsatisfying pay-off), made worse because according to Neil Gaiman, we were actually supposed to have gotten the Victorian Clara from "The Snowmen", before they hastily rewrote her as a modern character instead.
He clearly had no plans after the Eleventh Doctor either, which is evident for how the characterisation of the Twelfth Doctor is treated inconsistently throughout S8, before his darker qualities from S8 are completely jettisoned for him becoming an "Aging Rockstar" by Series 9. S8 was also a mess because Clara overstayed her welcome and didn't gel with Twelve, had a fine exit, only Moff wanted to keep her around for the Christmas special, gave her a good exit... only then changed his (and Jenna's) mind to have her come back for Series 9. Then he killed Clara off, wrote a fantastic episode about the Doctor dealing with grief... and then completely undermined it, by not only bringing Clara back to life, but gave her a friggin' TARDIS of her own, while sidelining the return of Gallifrey fans had been waiting over a decade for.
(If I beat my head against this wall for a few billion years, will it make "Hell Bent" go away?) Doctor Who was definitely Moffat'ed and not the good way but in the insanity. Can be agreed Davies was much better. As to the wall...No... but your head may go away... Following is graphic: |
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Post by Sifr on May 15, 2018 4:03:13 GMT
Doctor Who was definitely Moffat'ed and not the good way but in the insanity. Davies was much better. Nah, Davies picked up just as many bad habits during his tenure as showrunner and had success go to his head as well.
There were soap-opera elements, each finale became increasingly grandiose and melodramatic, the Doctor slowly began turning into Space-Jesus, there were weird tonal shifts (super-serious to camp silliness in the same scene), the classic series and continuity was largely ignored, everyone (barring Donna) had to be in love with the Doctor, etc.
That's why "The End of Time" is pretty much the epitome of everything wrong with Davies' tenure (much like "Hell Bent" is for Moffat)
(Conversely, Waters of Mars is the best Davies episode, because the Tenth Doctor's self-righteousness had been growing increasingly worse for years, giving him a much-needed lesson in hubris that swiftly took his ego down a peg)
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 16, 2018 2:56:32 GMT
Doctor Who was definitely Moffat'ed and not the good way but in the insanity. Davies was much better. Nah, Davies picked up just as many bad habits during his tenure as showrunner and had success go to his head as well.
There were soap-opera elements, each finale became increasingly grandiose and melodramatic, the Doctor slowly began turning into Space-Jesus, there were weird tonal shifts (super-serious to camp silliness in the same scene), the classic series and continuity was largely ignored, everyone (barring Donna) had to be in love with the Doctor, etc.
That's why "The End of Time" is pretty much the epitome of everything wrong with Davies' tenure (much like "Hell Bent" is for Moffat)
(Conversely, Waters of Mars is the best Davies episode, because the Tenth Doctor's self-righteousness had been growing increasingly worse for years, giving him a much-needed lesson in hubris that swiftly took his ego down a peg)
Ok then answer this between the two who is worse and who is better or do you consider it a tie? Personally I liked the hubris build up -since I knew the head slap would eventually find its way to him. |
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Post by Sifr on May 17, 2018 5:25:12 GMT
Ok then answer this between the two who is worse and who is better or do you consider it a tie? Personally I liked the hubris build up -since I knew the head slap would eventually find its way to him. I'd have to say it's a tie, both have their pros and cons.
Davies' writing is more accessible, but slightly less grounded, whereas Moffat's is more complex, but slightly more self-indulgent.
I think it's one of the reasons why the showrunner shouldn't really be the headwriter. If you're constantly having to deal with production, your focus is not going to necessarily be on the writing side of your job and vice versa, both the quality of both can suffer as a result. That's why both Davies and Moffat seemed to burn out by their 3rd/4th series, where it's scripts seemed far less polished and they began to run out of fresh ideas.
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