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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 9, 2018 16:33:41 GMT
Speaking of Templars, why is there no thread about romancing Cullen? That would just go under Cullen's standard thread. Iron Bull is the only one whose thread title specifically mentions romance. I don't go there, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is general Bull discussion and general fanboy/girling outside of the romance.
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Post by pavellaning on Jun 9, 2018 16:39:31 GMT
The Templars did nothing wrong, the rebel Mages brought everything upon themselves. The Templars are victims of the system too – blame the Chantry. Everyone inside the Circle is damaged – who more, who less, but no exception. The mage rebellion helped to the Templars to – but they're so stupid to realize that. They should support the mages, as Evangeline did – not to attack them. But I understand them: most of them serious lyrium addict, and they followed their addiction. Blame the Chantry. Good point. I'm going to give this some thought during my Templar Trevelyan playthrough.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 9, 2018 16:40:26 GMT
Speaking of Templars, why is there no thread about romancing Cullen?
That said, I generally dislike Templars. Massive abuse of mages and that scene in Val Royeaux...no, not a fan of them in general. At least with the mages the deal they made was about survival rather than turning on Thedas. Just for you (but he's not a Templar anymore – fortunately):
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 10, 2018 3:26:52 GMT
Speaking of Templars, why is there no thread about romancing Cullen?
That said, I generally dislike Templars. Massive abuse of mages and that scene in Val Royeaux...no, not a fan of them in general. At least with the mages the deal they made was about survival rather than turning on Thedas. Just for you (but he's not a Templar anymore – fortunately): <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 15px; height: 21px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 96px; top: 241px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_7804109" scrolling="no" width="15" height="21"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 15px; height: 21px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 781px; top: 241px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_20786553" scrolling="no" width="15" height="21"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 15px; height: 21px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 96px; top: 1220px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_39935633" scrolling="no" width="15" height="21"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 15px; height: 21px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 781px; top: 1220px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_60103055" scrolling="no" width="15" height="21"></iframe> I'd be all over that!
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Post by phoray on Jun 10, 2018 3:44:47 GMT
Speaking of Templars, why is there no thread about romancing Cullen?
That said, I generally dislike Templars. Massive abuse of mages and that scene in Val Royeaux...no, not a fan of them in general. At least with the mages the deal they made was about survival rather than turning on Thedas. Just for you (but he's not a Templar anymore – fortunately): GASP Catilina, you had that picture under your bed! Anders will be jealous! slightly more seriously, I thought you didn't like Cullen? that his redemption arc wasn't redeeming enough?
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Post by Catilina on Jun 10, 2018 7:52:41 GMT
Just for you (but he's not a Templar anymore – fortunately): GASP Catilina, you had that picture under your bed! Anders will be jealous! slightly more seriously, I thought you didn't like Cullen? that his redemption arc wasn't redeeming enough? Anders has Hawke. I suppose this is not exactly a redemption arc on the picture... Slightly more seriously: yes, his redemption arc is weak. But he can work on it...
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 18, 2018 23:19:45 GMT
I'm surprised that the Chantry and the Templars have not become like The Church of Eternal Fire to imprison, torture, and murder mages, alchemists, heretics, and non-humans. I think they should've gone that route to make it more darker approach for Dragon Age.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2018 23:21:57 GMT
I'm surprised that the Chantry and the Templars have not become like The Church of Eternal Fire to imprison, torture, and murder mages, alchemists, heretics, and non-humans. I think they should've gone that route to make it more darker approach for Dragon Age. I'm glad they didn't go that route.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 18, 2018 23:35:35 GMT
I'm surprised that the Chantry and the Templars have not become like The Church of Eternal Fire to imprison, torture, and murder mages, alchemists, heretics, and non-humans. I think they should've gone that route to make it more darker approach for Dragon Age. I'm glad they didn't go that route. It was supposed to in fact. I mean look how people treated the elves like they're lesser creatures, and lets not forget the fact that the Chantry in Kirkwall is becoming dangerous to people who are non believers who don't worship their make believe being.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2018 23:48:32 GMT
I'm glad they didn't go that route. It was supposed to in fact. I mean look how people treated the elves like they're lesser creatures, and lets not forget the fact that the Chantry in Kirkwall is becoming dangerous to people who are non believers who don't worship their make believe being. Kirkwall is not a good example of the norm. The devs have even said that it is the extreme worst. Everyone is crazy in Kirkwall.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 19, 2018 0:04:08 GMT
It was supposed to in fact. I mean look how people treated the elves like they're lesser creatures, and lets not forget the fact that the Chantry in Kirkwall is becoming dangerous to people who are non believers who don't worship their make believe being. Kirkwall is not a good example of the norm. The devs have even said that it is the extreme worst. Everyone is crazy in Kirkwall. The White Spire was not much better. Not even the Calenhad Tower. Dairsmuid was better but annulled. Not mentioned, no matter Kirkwall perhaps was a little bit worse, the point is, the system allowed and supported that kind of Circles.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 19, 2018 4:35:26 GMT
It was supposed to in fact. I mean look how people treated the elves like they're lesser creatures, and lets not forget the fact that the Chantry in Kirkwall is becoming dangerous to people who are non believers who don't worship their make believe being. Kirkwall is not a good example of the norm. The devs have even said that it is the extreme worst. Everyone is crazy in Kirkwall. Please, it ain't shit compared to Novigrad.
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Post by davesin on Jul 5, 2018 5:40:09 GMT
So, brothers and sisters in arms, if your character happens to be a warrior with Templar specialization, what weapons do you equip them with?
Are you traditionalist and thus prefer to bash mages with your shield before finishing them off with your weapon? Or do you prefer to split maleficars in half with your greatsword?
(or, in case of Origins, do you use more exotic two-weapon style in order to slash them to pieces?)
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Post by phoray on Jul 5, 2018 6:08:21 GMT
So, brothers and sisters in arms, if your character happens to be a warrior with Templar specialization, what weapons do you equip them with? Are you traditionalist and thus prefer to bash mages with your shield before finishing them off with your weapon? Or do you prefer to split maleficars in half with your greatsword? (or, in case of Origins, do you use more exotic two-weapon style in order to slash them to pieces?) I went two handed because the attacks looked cooler. Then do that stuff that gets you guard on hit, and you'll be good
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Post by davesin on Jul 5, 2018 8:12:52 GMT
I went two handed because the attacks looked cooler. Then do that stuff that gets you guard on hit, and you'll be good Agreed. Two-handed warriors can even get quite cool defensive ability (Block and Slash) to get guard and do some damage at the same time.
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Post by xerrai on Jul 8, 2018 17:44:53 GMT
I'm surprised that the Chantry and the Templars have not become like The Church of Eternal Fire to imprison, torture, and murder mages, alchemists, heretics, and non-humans. I think they should've gone that route to make it more darker approach for Dragon Age. Well we know that some templars basically wanted to genocidally murder mages and combat mage sympathizers so I think it is safe to say that that mindset regrettably exists. But the powers that be (Circles, Chantry) are more interested in controlling the mages than simply stomping it out of existence, though a notable exception goes toward blood mages/maleficar. But I think it is safe to say that if they really wanted to explore that dark route of ruthless mage hunts, then there will likely be enough radicals in the setting somewhere for them to make it a reality. After all, templars like Meredith, Lambert and the rogue Hinterland templars didn't come from nowhere.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 8, 2018 20:25:56 GMT
I'm surprised that the Chantry and the Templars have not become like The Church of Eternal Fire to imprison, torture, and murder mages, alchemists, heretics, and non-humans. I think they should've gone that route to make it more darker approach for Dragon Age. Well we know that some templars basically wanted to genocidally murder mages and combat mage sympathizers so I think it is safe to say that that mindset regrettably exists. But the powers that be (Circles, Chantry) are more interested in controlling the mages than simply stomping it out of existence, though a notable exception goes toward blood mages/maleficar. But I think it is safe to say that if they really wanted to explore that dark route of ruthless mage hunts, then there will likely be enough radicals in the setting somewhere for them to make it a reality. After all, templars like Meredith, Lambert and the rogue Hinterland templars didn't come from nowhere. I'm talking about the entire church not induviduals. And besides, it will add more realistic historically based on the brutality yet barbaric events of medieval times. At least Witcher didn't shy away from that but BioWare does.
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Post by xerrai on Jul 8, 2018 20:41:43 GMT
Well we know that some templars basically wanted to genocidally murder mages and combat mage sympathizers so I think it is safe to say that that mindset regrettably exists. But the powers that be (Circles, Chantry) are more interested in controlling the mages than simply stomping it out of existence, though a notable exception goes toward blood mages/maleficar. But I think it is safe to say that if they really wanted to explore that dark route of ruthless mage hunts, then there will likely be enough radicals in the setting somewhere for them to make it a reality. After all, templars like Meredith, Lambert and the rogue Hinterland templars didn't come from nowhere. I'm talking about the entire church not induviduals. And besides, it will add more realistic historically based on the brutality yet barbaric events of medieval times. At least Witcher didn't shy away from that but BioWare does. I would agree with you, except I don't think the historic setting you describe would make sense in the current Thedas setting. Perhaps in one of the early ages in Thedas's history, but not in the Dragon Age. In fact if you want real brutality, I would hazard to guess that the time between the Divine age and the Black Age is your best bet. The racism back then is loads more hardcore then what we have now, and conflicts under the premise of religious purity and purging magical threats (some valid, some less so). was for more common. The original Inquisition, Drakon's crusade, the Fall of the Dales, attempted expansion into Alamaari lands, etc. All of these seem closer to what you envision, and all happened in the earlier ages of Thedas's setting.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 9, 2018 2:21:55 GMT
I'm talking about the entire church not induviduals. And besides, it will add more realistic historically based on the brutality yet barbaric events of medieval times. At least Witcher didn't shy away from that but BioWare does. I would agree with you, except I don't think the historic setting you describe would make sense in the current Thedas setting. Perhaps in one of the early ages in Thedas's history, but not in the Dragon Age. In fact if you want real brutality, I would hazard to guess that the time between the Divine age and the Black Age is your best bet. The racism back then is loads more hardcore then what we have now, and conflicts under the premise of religious purity and purging magical threats (some valid, some less so). was for more common. The original Inquisition, Drakon's crusade, the Fall of the Dales, attempted expansion into Alamaari lands, etc. All of these seem closer to what you envision, and all happened in the earlier ages of Thedas's setting. Then why didn't they put that type of theme setting on the game to have people engage into a brutal world of Thedas, instead of sugar coating to a mediocre mature game in the first place? I'm beginning to think that BioWare are bunch of wuss puss when it comes to real mature content in games.
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Post by jaerick243 on Jul 9, 2018 3:13:32 GMT
I find the Templar Specialization to be the weakest in the game. I think Cassandra will be a support tank with pretty much the only templar ability being Spell purge for dealing with barriers, and maybe rifts if the ability works on those.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 13:54:50 GMT
It was supposed to in fact. I mean look how people treated the elves like they're lesser creatures, and lets not forget the fact that the Chantry in Kirkwall is becoming dangerous to people who are non believers who don't worship their make believe being. Kirkwall is not a good example of the norm. The devs have even said that it is the extreme worst. Everyone is crazy in Kirkwall. Playing Legacy for the first time I was like 'ooooh so that's why Kirkwall is batshit crazy'. I'm glad they gave a reason for it at least. So, brothers and sisters in arms, if your character happens to be a warrior with Templar specialization, what weapons do you equip them with? Are you traditionalist and thus prefer to bash mages with your shield before finishing them off with your weapon? Or do you prefer to split maleficars in half with your greatsword? (or, in case of Origins, do you use more exotic two-weapon style in order to slash them to pieces?) I have a templar Hawke, I felt a two handed mallet was the way to go. She liked to bash things.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 9, 2018 17:40:38 GMT
I sympathise with Ser Thrask. When you tell him about his apostate daughter who turned into an abomination, he blames himself for listening to her request not to be sent to the Circle.
And he is so chill, too. If you tell him that Feynriel joined the Dalish, he ain't even mad. He approves of it as an alternative option.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 12, 2018 1:08:55 GMT
Okay, Samson's judgement. Cullen: Knight-Templar Samson, General to Corypheus, the traitor to the order. The blood on his hand never be measured. His head too valuable to take. Kirkwall, Orlais: many would see him suffer. I can’t say, I’m not one of them. Inquisitor: The headsman’s axe is not enough? That’s an impressive amount of ill will. Samson: The red lyrium will steal your vengeance. You know, what it does. Corypheus only delayed my corruption. Cullen: Are you still loyal to that thing? He poisoned the order, used them to kill thousands! Samson: Templars have always been used. How many were left to rot, like I was after the Chantry burned away their minds? Piss on it! I followed him so templars could at least die at their best! Same lie as the Chantry. The Prophet just isn’t as pretty. Inquisitor: I found your people. They believed in you. Believed, your cause was righteous. Samson: Not your business, Inquisitor. Cullen: Your friend, Maddox was so loyal, he killed himself. For you. Samson: They were always going to die. I saw, what Corypheus was doing, so yes, I fed them hope instead of despair. I made them believe their pain had a purpose. Just like the Chantry does. Right, Commander? It ended as well as anything else I’ve done. Corypheus would kill me on sight. I’ll tell your people what they want. Everything I cared about is destroyed. It's interesting, how Cullen cares about Maddox... he didn't care when Meredith Tranquilized the mages for lesser things than a love letter...
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Post by fylimar on Jul 14, 2018 8:06:53 GMT
The Templars did nothing wrong, the rebel Mages brought everything upon themselves. The Templars are victims of the system too – blame the Chantry. Everyone inside the Circle is damaged – who more, who less, but no exception. The mage rebellion helped to the Templars to – but they're so stupid to realize that. They should support the mages, as Evangeline did – not to attack them. But I understand them: most of them serious lyrium addict, and they followed their addiction. Blame the Chantry. I agree. Making templars basically drug addicts is some kind of abuse imo too. And then those drug addicts are sent to watch over other people - great idea As someone, who thinks that religion should not interfere with politics and everyday life (if people don't wish it), I see the Andrastian church being so strict with templars and mages alike as something terribly wrong. Make a joined force of mages with battle magic experience and templars to hunt abominations and blood mages, let the rest of the mages study in peace and go on with their lifes wherever they want, let the templars learn their abilities without a lyrium addiction and all would be well enough.
As to the original thread purpose: I do like some templars but I don't like the idea of the templar order as it is before DAI. As I stated above, making people addicts and then give them responsibilities over other people is just crazy. That said, honourable mention goes to Greagoire (because I just like him, even though, he has his flaws), Evangeline, Thrask, Emeric, Keran, Lysette. Cullen was a dick nearly the whole time, he was a templar, so he doesn't really count here, plus his redemption arc could have been handled better imo, he let some really disturbed people go about their business for far too long. And Barris is too passive for me, when he witness his boss beating an old lady down. Tehre is no excuse for that, he should have addressed that. Instead, he joined said boss and only sided against him very late.
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Post by phoray on Jul 14, 2018 13:08:57 GMT
It's interesting, how Cullen cares about Maddox... he didn't care when Meredith Tranquilized the mages for lesser things than a love letter... I love me some Cully, but he didn't particularly care about Maddox, although he was shocked by the devotion to Samson, I'm sure. (undead ugly as fuq bastard) He was just supremely irritated that he couldn't punish Samson for betraying the order (from his POV) and was trying to get under his skin and make the man upset. Kinda like why I appreciate making Erimond a Tranquil- it's the only thing that makes him fear.
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