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Post by Iddy on Jun 6, 2018 17:21:11 GMT
Not due to a personal dislike, but simply because you don't find it believable that your character would get along with that person.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 6, 2018 17:28:58 GMT
Yep. Sometimes it's difficult but I try to RP convincingly.
I don't care for Anders but my Hawke does, so they're friends. I've had Wardens who adored/hated Wynne whereas my feelings for her are more neutral than anything else. I've even romanced characters I don't particularly like because I thought that's what my character would do. I love Vivienne but realistically I don't think my Inquisitor would get along with her.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 6, 2018 21:00:36 GMT
That was the case with Sera. Whilst I find Sera irritating, my female Lavellan mage really didn't get on with her at all. She came very close to telling her to get lost but decided instead to just steadfastly ignore her. She also did not get on with Vivienne and disliked her intensely, whereas I just tolerate her.
By contrast my male hunter Lavellan regarded Sera as he would one of the upstart younger members of the clan, refused to get into confrontation with her and even humoured her over the pranks because he actually found it and useful way of unwinding. So he was rewarded with roof time.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 6, 2018 22:43:06 GMT
Of course. In fact, sometimes they lead me. My red/sarcastic Hawke was planned to be rival with Fenris and (Templar) Carver – but after a rough start, he surprisingly befriended Fenris, and brought Carver to the Deep Roads. After this, they brotherly rivalry turned into a friendship. This Hawke was in rivalry with Varric (true, it was hard, because he didn't hate him, just sometimes his gossips about his private life, but secrecy he loved to be infamous.)
Almost my every Hawke in a friendly relationship with Sebastian. There's no reason to hate him, even if sometimes don't agree with him. Despite, he's not my fav – for reasons... but at the moment, for Hawke, he's just a guy.
Sera surprisingly didn't annoy my qunari mage – he befriended her easily, while my Lavellan was not able.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 7, 2018 0:01:43 GMT
Yep. My Hawke finds it hard to believe that someone would be stupid enough to merge with a spirit. She treats Anders like a UFO. She thought she heard/seen someone but wasn't sure who it was.
My Hawke also ignores Merrill. She wants nothing to do with someone who's stupid enough to make a deal with demon.
A few of my Inquisitors have ignored Blackwall, Iron Bull, Vivienne and Sera.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 7, 2018 0:59:32 GMT
Yes. I would go about playing the character and if he fails to befriend someone, then so be it. I'm redoing my canon, starting with DAO. I made an intentional decision not to use gift spam to increase approval. In the end, I only wound up with friendly status with my fav girls, Leliana, Wynne, and Shale, and no one else. But even with them I never got to 100 Warm. I frequently avoid dialogue options I think my character wouldn't take for the same reason.
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Post by Tittus on Jun 7, 2018 1:09:45 GMT
My mage Hawkes always are rivals of Aveline and don't even do her quests because she stabbed Carver in the back and talked against him becoming a guard, in a moment where Hawke's family needed more income. Aveline even have the audacity to say that Carver should seek better company
Every time that my Hawke tries to put things behind, something else happens to rekindle the grudge: Carver turning into a Gray Warden/Templar or getting killed. Then there's Leandra's murder.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 7, 2018 2:48:18 GMT
Aveline even have the audacity to say that Carver should seek better company She's talking about Carver hanging out with mercs or smugglers, depending on which side you take, not Hawke and their merry band.
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Post by opuspace on Jun 7, 2018 3:09:34 GMT
It's one of the few things I can't metagame. Some Inquisitors have personalities that arise from their choices and as a result don't have as much luck with certain companions. One was a no nonsense, results orientated Inquisitor who clashed with Cassandra, another was academically inclined who wasn't on the best of terms with Varric. It wasn't intentional, just the result of not knowing the right way to be his bestest buddy. Had a Bullmancer even who hated Solas.
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Post by Tittus on Jun 7, 2018 3:36:45 GMT
Aveline even have the audacity to say that Carver should seek better company She's talking about Carver hanging out with mercs or smugglers, depending on which side you take, not Hawke and their merry band. I know, but if he was a guard, he wouldn't hanging out with them because he would have a job, or at least be in a similar situation of Aveline's that's in Hawke's group.
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Post by melbella on Jun 7, 2018 3:40:48 GMT
She's talking about Carver hanging out with mercs or smugglers, depending on which side you take, not Hawke and their merry band. I know, but if he was a guard, he wouldn't hanging out with them because he would have a job, or at least be in a similar situation of Aveline's that's in Hawke's group.
For that matter, why no guard opportunity for warrior or rogue Hawke too? S/he was also in Ferelden's army at Ostagar. At least give the option to say thanks but no thanks!
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Post by Tittus on Jun 7, 2018 3:58:40 GMT
I know, but if he was a guard, he wouldn't hanging out with them because he would have a job, or at least be in a similar situation of Aveline's that's in Hawke's group.
For that matter, why no guard opportunity for warrior or rogue Hawke too? S/he was also in Ferelden's army at Ostagar. At least give the option to say thanks but no thanks!
... I never thought about that possibility...but then, being a guard was Carver's initiative to get away from Hawke, so it's more a matter of motivation and ask for rather than receiving an oppurtunity
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Post by Sifr on Jun 8, 2018 21:38:38 GMT
For that matter, why no guard opportunity for warrior or rogue Hawke too? S/he was also in Ferelden's army at Ostagar. At least give the option to say thanks but no thanks!
When Aveline offers Hawke the job to stop the smugglers on Sundermount in Act 1, they can tell her "I'm no guard, Aveline", to which her response is only that they're competent enough to do the task, rather than actually disagree with that assessment.
Most Fereldan refugees seem to find it difficult to land any work in Kirkwall, so Hawke and Carver might not have been accepted even if they had applied. I always imagined that Aveline was only accepted because she had served as an officer in the Fereldan army for some time, even being part of the first charge during the battle of Ostagar.
It's not even clear whether Hawke and Carver even joined the regular army or whether they joined as part of a volunteer militia? It seems that Carver fought as a member of the infantry, according to supplemental material.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jun 9, 2018 17:58:59 GMT
I couldn't befriend Vivienne at all, since my Inquisitor was extremely pro-mage rebellion. To do one of her quests you need to say "I want to help the Circle" and that obviously wasn't going to happen.
I wanted to befriend Sera, but I disagreed with her too often (and she does not like that) and didn't think the leader of the Inquisition should be running around playing pranks with her.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 9, 2018 18:05:27 GMT
and didn't think the leader of the Inquisition should be running around playing pranks with her. Eh, you can avoid that and still get cookies. It's totally doable.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jun 9, 2018 18:18:24 GMT
and didn't think the leader of the Inquisition should be running around playing pranks with her. Eh, you can avoid that and still get cookies. It's totally doable. Really, you can still get cookies if you don't do the pranks? Because I hate doing the pranks but that doesn't mean my Inky's don't want to be her friend.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 9, 2018 18:20:00 GMT
Really, you can still get cookies if you don't do the pranks? Because I hate doing the pranks but that doesn't mean my Inky's don't want to be her friend. Yep. I always pick the option that says, "I know what you're trying to do, but it's not for me." She says, "Permission feels weird," and goes ahead.
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Post by Jarovbees on Jun 12, 2018 23:06:43 GMT
Yes, though the first time around for any game, I usually try to get along with everyone just to see their arcs. Afterward is when I'll branch out.
In one of my more extreme examples, my Aeducan killed Zevran right away rather than trust the elf that had just tried to assassinate her. I've also had some very moral Wardens who clashed in Morrigan, especially in the beginning. She never left, but they butted heads a lot. DA2 had one of my Hawkes being abandoned by Isabela for similar reasons, and another ignored Anders as much as possible because the whole abomination thing was too much to handle. For Inquisition, Vivienne usually gets the brunt of it when my pro-freedom Inquisitors either refuse to visit or invite her but keep her at arm's length. I've also had some dismiss Sera's arrow and just never meet her, or torpedo any chance of a lasting friendship thanks to What Pride Had Wrought. Drinking from the well, respecting the temple elves and refusing to be sorry about either will do that.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 12, 2018 23:10:23 GMT
Generally, I only roleplay characters who would befriend their companions in the first place. If the story is about my player characters working with a certain group of people, then I see myself as clearly playing incorrectly if there's animosity or outright rejection, outside of certain key story beats where that's meant to be the case.
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Post by Yermogi on Jun 13, 2018 2:12:47 GMT
Generally, I only roleplay characters who would befriend their companions in the first place. If the story is about my player characters working with a certain group of people, then I see myself as clearly playing incorrectly if there's animosity or outright rejection, outside of certain key story beats where that's meant to be the case. That's basically how it is with my characters. My characters are generally friendly and joking with people they get along with, and civil towards people who they don't really see eye to eye with. It makes no sense for characters in high-risk positions with only so many people they can trust to alienate those who are willing to help them. Let's take my mage Qunari Quizzie, for example. She was never part of the Circle, and as the system stood before the war sounds very oppressive to her. However, she sees the value in rebuilding and reinventing the Circles to what they could be- a place of learning and safety for mages, with changes to allow them more freedom and responsibility as they learn to use and control their magic (without the forcing them from their parents with no contact ever rule). She disagrees with Vivienne on the nature of the mage rebellion, the control of templars over mages, and the disregard for what drove mages to the war in the first place, BUT she respects Vivenne's skill and intelligence and knows that Vivienne's intentions, though she may disagree with them, are good. Therefore she is polite and respectful to Vivienne and supports her efforts to reform the Circle with others because Vivienne wants the best for mages and she largely agrees with what Vivienne wants. As a result, My QunIsitor and Vivienne are friends. Sera is incredibly annoying period, and I just don't like her. However, again, my QunIsitor knows that she is in no position to turn down willing and useful allies, and so she is polite and friendly to Sera, which ends up with her being friends with the elf. If I don't agree with Sera (or someone else) on something, I will choose dialogue that is not aggressive, but not pandering either. This usually nets a smaller amount of approval loss that can be pretty easily made up later. Just playing a polite and kind Inquisitor is usually enough to win friends, in my experience.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 13, 2018 5:42:40 GMT
Generally, I only roleplay characters who would befriend their companions in the first place. If the story is about my player characters working with a certain group of people, then I see myself as clearly playing incorrectly if there's animosity or outright rejection, outside of certain key story beats where that's meant to be the case. I'm similar in that if I'm supposed to be a leader or something like that, I try to be the sort of person people would willingly follow. Civil, kind, decisive, the whole bit. However, I absolutely don't see it as playing incorrectly if I'm not at 100% adoration rating with everyone I talk to - not attacking anyone who plays this way, but I tend to dislike PCs like this because they feel dishonest, like if the character actually said what they were thinking then several NPCs wouldn't be friends with them at all. It just feels very Mary Sue-ish to me and I dislike it. If Solas or Anders want to get salty with me they can go pout in a corner until they feel better.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 13, 2018 8:30:59 GMT
Generally, I only roleplay characters who would befriend their companions in the first place. If the story is about my player characters working with a certain group of people, then I see myself as clearly playing incorrectly if there's animosity or outright rejection, outside of certain key story beats where that's meant to be the case. People don't have to get along to join forces in a common cause.
For both DAO and DA2, I don't believe the PC has earned their leadership status.
In DAO, the only exception to this might be the Aeducan Warden, given that they were recently given command of forces in Orzammar. Everyone else is either very young, or (due to life circumstances) completely inexperienced in that area. You can have whatever headcanon you want for this, but I am going by what is actually shown in the game. In addition, Alistair is the senior warden (granted, by only a few months), but he rejects that role, deferring to your PC. To my mind, all of the DAO followers join forces with the Warden PC because they believe it's a worthy cause; they are not commanded by him/her.
In DA2, everyone is swirling around the inescapable vortex that is Hawke. They're Hawke's friends and acquaintances, but that's all. The only person Hawke can be said to have any sort of authority over is their younger sibling, but even then, that person is an adult, so that's only down to family dynamics.
DAI is the only game where the PC has appointed, official leadership status.
To me, DA2 is the only game where your mindset fits with the game itself. There is no common cause to join people together, there is only Hawke and whether the person likes or respects him/her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 23:19:01 GMT
I don't like Anders but my canon Mage Hawke is friends with him.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 19, 2018 1:52:34 GMT
My Dalish Inquisitor dislikes Vivienne because, in his opinion, she supports slavery, which is barely different from the elven alienages. It offers the pretense of freedom while keeping them down.
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Post by phoray on Jun 19, 2018 14:06:22 GMT
I played a character (3rd PT) who just thought Solas was weird, and barely talked to him. That relationship just stayed neutral, they never met in the Fade, even though he did tell her he was mildly impressed with her later at the balcony on top of telling her that she shouldn't have let Morrigan drink from the Well. She also half feared half disliked Leliana, but other than saying she thought there was better Divine Candidates (Cass) there isn't actually much opportunity to express dislike for the Bard.
I had a Dalish Inky (4th PT) who wasn't surprised that Vivienne was a product of her upbringing just as he was (pro mage freedom). He thought they were just debating the facts, and he knew he was right just as she thought she was right. She effing hated him and moved his furniture. He rolled his eyes at her and ignored her the rest of the game. He thought it was friendly and professional of her to invite him to Spa Day a few years later- figured it was an apology for her being an idgit before. he romanced Cass, but didn't think she should be Divine, which was probably the first sign that they wouldn't work out long term. Then she was a huge hypocrite at the Temple of Mythall, mocking his religion, and I have never want to break up with someone so badly in a DA game before. And been so disappointed it isn't an option. I head canon that they grew apart after the events of Trespasser.
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