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Post by clips7 on Jun 15, 2018 1:12:53 GMT
What I found upsetting about the kiss scene was the behavior of that girl. Making out with Ellie in front of her heat broken ex-boyfriend! Who does that?! Just awful! What a horrible manipulative girl. I hope Ellie finds somebody better... This pretty much....i think he was even talking to Ellie about his chances of getting back with her...then this chick just kisses her pretty much outta nowhere with Ellie being a bit confused and drawnback at first then just sayin' f**k it and throwin' her tongue back down her throat. The way the camera pans around them etc...It's ok for Ellie to be gay, but you don't have to make it out to be as if you are promoting some sort of agenda....my point is that we have gay and heterosexual relationships....fine, but the closeups, the camera work, the detailed kissing? Naughty Dog knew exactly what it was doing. This felt a bit like they was saying "look we have a gay relationship in our game" And while the DLC may have sjown Ellie as somewhat exploring her sexuality because she was so young, it really didn't solidify that she was gay.....kids do plenty ofthings when they are young, doesn't necessarily mean they will turn out that way, but i understand that Naught Dog set the tone for Ellie's relationship in the DLC and showed where Ellie is as far as her sexuality goes in this clip. Just felt that this is not the focus of the game and it shouldn't be...yes we can explore her relationship and how she has grown as a character, but the core element should still be how these characters are surviving in this world since the outbreak....Same goes for Joel...i don't wanna see him get bogged down in some sappy 3 way love triangle during the virus/ Clicker apocalypse....create an interesting and compelling story and everything else will fall into place...whether that be exploring Ellie's relationships or Joels, just make it feel organic within the story and not forced.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jun 15, 2018 1:18:43 GMT
1. There's no way that the game is going to play similarly to how this gameplay presentation is being played. There's far too much contextual stuff for this to possibly be 100% live gameplay. 2. Why isn't Ellie still a race traitor holy fuck I just want to see her fug a black girl not this big nose Jew Edit: Also one of the issues with the whole kissing thing is that we know nothing about this other character. You don't throw this kind of shit at people viewing gameplay for the first time ever. No one gives a shit at the moment because there has been no buildup or development leading to this point, it's just bam hey look Ellie is kissing someone isn't that so cool???? This. So much of the demo is scripted, it's plain as day. As for the game, I played the first and while the presentation, writing and voice acting are top notch, the gameplay was remarkably contrived and laborious. I simply don't find scavenging for crafting materials, finding planks and ladders, or throwing bricks at zombies compelling gameplay.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 15, 2018 2:13:47 GMT
Offtopic, but I would love for there to be a main character in a video game who is canonically part of the Ace Spectrum. It'd have to be a modern game, wouldn't it? Dragon Age just doesn't have that sort of terminology o-o Not really. Even if the term doesn’t exist in the world yet they would just have to express that they are not sexually attracted to anyone. The actual term can be expressed by the devs to clarify. Likewise for orientations like demisexual where the character expresses that they aren’t sexually attracted to anyone but their connection to the protagonist or LI makes an exception or something like that.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 15, 2018 2:22:00 GMT
That chick's honker was crazy and i'm surprised she didn't stab Ellie in the eyes.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Jun 15, 2018 2:36:14 GMT
I just want Ellie to do slave roleplay with a cute black girl
is that too much to ask for
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jun 15, 2018 2:40:57 GMT
I just want Ellie to do slave roleplay with a cute black girl is that too much to ask for WHERE'S MY FUCKING CONTINUITY.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 15, 2018 2:52:14 GMT
Thought the trailer for this was pretty good. This is PS4 exclusive right? Now that Cyberpunk is off my list I might have to buy one and give this a go.
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Post by bshep on Jun 15, 2018 4:22:26 GMT
Thought the trailer for this was pretty good. This is PS4 exclusive right? Now that Cyberpunk is off my list I might have to buy one and give this a go. You could also check Greedfall. Seems to be a interesting action rpg and it wil be released for pc too.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 15, 2018 4:47:00 GMT
Offtopic, but I would love for there to be a main character in a video game who is canonically part of the Ace Spectrum. It'd have to be a modern game, wouldn't it? Dragon Age just doesn't have that sort of terminology o-o Nah the Dragon Age universe is pretty progressive when it comes to that sort of thing, I mean for some reason they recognize trans people as being a thing despite the fact that there are no gender roles in the universe and no real discrimination against same sex romance and thus no real reason for a woman to try to pretend to be a man, so I am sure they can force some Asexuality in there as well.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 15, 2018 4:48:54 GMT
Thought the trailer for this was pretty good. This is PS4 exclusive right? Now that Cyberpunk is off my list I might have to buy one and give this a go. Still amazes me people are so quick to write off Cyberpunk 2077 at the mere mention of a first person camera.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 15, 2018 7:56:46 GMT
I just want Ellie to do slave roleplay with a cute black girl is that too much to ask for WHERE'S MY FUCKING CONTINUITY. Play Left Behind.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 15, 2018 8:48:34 GMT
This pretty much....i think he was even talking to Ellie about his chances of getting back with her...then this chick just kisses her pretty much outta nowhere with Ellie being a bit confused and drawnback at first then just sayin' f**k it and throwin' her tongue back down her throat. The way the camera pans around them etc...It's ok for Ellie to be gay, but you don't have to make it out to be as if you are promoting some sort of agenda....my point is that we have gay and heterosexual relationships....fine, but the closeups, the camera work, the detailed kissing? Naughty Dog knew exactly what it was doing. This felt a bit like they was saying "look we have a gay relationship in our game" And while the DLC may have sjown Ellie as somewhat exploring her sexuality because she was so young, it really didn't solidify that she was gay.....kids do plenty ofthings when they are young, doesn't necessarily mean they will turn out that way, but i understand that Naught Dog set the tone for Ellie's relationship in the DLC and showed where Ellie is as far as her sexuality goes in this clip. Just felt that this is not the focus of the game and it shouldn't be...yes we can explore her relationship and how she has grown as a character, but the core element should still be how these characters are surviving in this world since the outbreak....Same goes for Joel...i don't wanna see him get bogged down in some sappy 3 way love triangle during the virus/ Clicker apocalypse....create an interesting and compelling story and everything else will fall into place...whether that be exploring Ellie's relationships or Joels, just make it feel organic within the story and not forced. Choosing to promote the game this way is very much in line with the current trend, yeah. But since this scene is out of context, can't tell yet how big a deal they are going to make out of it. It's always about how you present your agenda. Every creator has a message. That's not a bad thing per se. Regardless of these characters being gay, I'm more interested in what the actual message of this behavior is. Like I said, that other chick's behavior felt unsettlingly predatory to me. If this is supposed to be cool, I'm NOT cool with it. Same if she was a guy. Or Ellie a guy. But I need more context here. So all I can say is that the behavior is not cool as it comes across. And yet it feels like this is somehow supposed to be cute or even romantic. I sure hope not. ...is all I'm saying. I'm not very interested in the game because the gameplay is not my thing. So I'm just making an observation from a detached perspective. EDIT: You know if the game was actually about Ellie getting manipulated and used by that chick and her sexuality is a weakness that is being exploited, that could be interesting. They already turned our hero Joel into the bad guy basically at the end of the first game. And that was cool. I found his behavior pretty despicable and selfish. There could be a pattern where Ellie keeps falling in with questionable people who are both protective and not good for her. This chick here could have her own agenda. And then the marketing suddenly looks very different in hindsight.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 15, 2018 13:35:41 GMT
Thought the trailer for this was pretty good. This is PS4 exclusive right? Now that Cyberpunk is off my list I might have to buy one and give this a go. You could also check Greedfall. Seems to be a interesting action rpg and it wil be released for pc too. Seems like PS4 has a lot of good SP game exclusives though, wasn't Horizon Zero Dawn and GoW PS4 only too? Hadn't really heard of Greedfall before, kinda lost it in the all the noise from E3. I'll check it out, thanks.
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Post by correctamundo on Jun 15, 2018 14:24:16 GMT
Sony finally gave me a reason to get a PS4. We'll see closer to realease how well this "gameplay" holds up. Colour me very much interested though.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 15, 2018 15:45:18 GMT
You could also check Greedfall. Seems to be a interesting action rpg and it wil be released for pc too. Seems like PS4 has a lot of good SP game exclusives though, wasn't Horizon Zero Dawn and GoW PS4 only too? Hadn't really heard of Greedfall before, kinda lost it in the all the noise from E3. I'll check it out, thanks. HZD and GoW (God of War, not Gears of War) are both Playstation exclusives, yes. Another good one is the Uncharted series. (And of course The Last of Us)
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 15, 2018 18:22:02 GMT
Was it really that big though? Great, now I'm gonna have to go rewatch it lol
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 16, 2018 17:08:12 GMT
I'm sure someone will politicize this to hell. I don't really care so long as the game doesn't preach me. But does that even matter if it's true? she was a 14 year old in the first game, so her sexuality didn't (or at least shouldn't) matter to players. She may as well have been Asexual. So if she's going to be older and be interested in sex, why not be inclusive? Frankly, in a post apocalypse world where murder and rape have become medeval common again, basic medicine is not a given,, condom factories been out of business for 20+ years, I'd try out bisexuality just to avoid the pregnancy risk. I'm about to do something I'm probably going to regret -- in terms of wrong time and place -- but I've been thinking about this since Left Behind came out and never really found the right time or place to bring it up, so fuck it. There's been a lot of eye-rolling and "SJWs at it again" commentary about Ellie being bi/lesbian. I'm not part of that, but I do have a criticism about depicting Ellie as bi/lesbian. Let me explain. In the main game, Ellie is a character that anyone paying attention would describe as courageous, tough, smart, spunky, can-do, wise ass and more of an asset than a liability in a survival scenario. So naturally, being courageous and tough, she had to be bi/gay all along (as the reveal in the DLC is a flashback). Because a straight girl her age can't be like that, right? A straight girl needs rescuing and has to be totally helpless so the male hero can shine. /s Ellie is cast in a stereotype, which in turn helps perpetuate another stereotype. That's what disappointed me about Left Behind. Not that's she's bi/lesbian, but rather that she's a stereotype for bi/lesbian girls. Let me hasten to say that, at the same time, I get that Ellie is a positive role model for girls of any sexual preference, and I also get that a stereotype can still be empowering when the alternative is a vast desert of no role models or worse stereotypes. Also, I realize that every other alternative -- portraying her as straight, leaving her sexual preference ambiguous -- has problems also and would ultimately disappoint someone. If that someone had to be me, a straight dude, worse things could happen.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Jun 16, 2018 17:27:44 GMT
also the infection can spread through bodily fluids so unless she's no longer infected or some shit she shouldn't be swapping spit with anyone unless she wants them dead
0/10 lore naughty dog absolutely SHIT TIER game
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Post by Sifr on Jun 16, 2018 19:15:21 GMT
From the little we heard, the girl and the guy that were dancing together have a constant on and off relationship. And aparently she just went and kissed Ellie to make him jealous, while Ellie is genuinely interested in this chick. Yeah, it struck me that she might have been using Ellie to make her ex jealous.
Remember that Ellie joked to her other friend that those two would get back together in a week or two, then how the kiss happened immediately after Ellie mentioned how all the guys in the room where staring at them in envy, while dismissing her chances since she's a girl.
If you were trying to make your ex jealous, making our with someone else (of the opposite sex) in front of everyone in town, would definitely be the way to go about it.
(Which is why I really hope that wasn't the case, cause it'd make Dina incredibly cruel to take advantage of Ellie's blatant crush on her like that)
also the infection can spread through bodily fluids so unless she's no longer infected or some shit she shouldn't be swapping spit with anyone unless she wants them dead 0/10 lore naughty dog absolutely SHIT TIER game I was thinking the same thing. From how she still reads as "infected" on medical tests and how all attempts at a vaccine failed, it doesn't seem that people like Ellie are so much "immune" as asymptomatic carriers. We know that bites are enough to transmit the human strain of Cordyceps, but can it be transmitted via blood and saliva?
If Dina dies in the game (regardless of how), my fear is that this might turn what could have been a positive instance of LGBT representation into the same old "bury your gays" cliche. They already killed off the last girl Ellie was interested in, would suck if it became 0-2.
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Post by bshep on Jun 16, 2018 23:26:39 GMT
If a bite transmite the fungi spores then saliva is possibly the way the infection is spread. Either there is a explanation (like she is immune now) or they forgot their own lore, i think the former is more likely.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 16, 2018 23:53:39 GMT
I'm about to do something I'm probably going to regret -- in terms of wrong time and place -- but I've been thinking about this since Left Behind came out and never really found the right time or place to bring it up, so fuck it. There's been a lot of eye-rolling and "SJWs at it again" commentary about Ellie being bi/lesbian. I'm not part of that, but I do have a criticism about depicting Ellie as bi/lesbian. Let me explain. In the main game, Ellie is a character that anyone paying attention would describe as courageous, tough, smart, spunky, can-do, wise ass and more of an asset than a liability in a survival scenario. So naturally, being courageous and tough, she had to be bi/gay all along (as the reveal in the DLC is a flashback). Because a straight girl her age can't be like that, right? A straight girl needs rescuing and has to be totally helpless so the male hero can shine. /s Ellie is cast in a stereotype, which in turn helps perpetuate another stereotype. That's what disappointed me about Left Behind. Not that's she's bi/lesbian, but rather that she's a stereotype for bi/lesbian girls. Let me hasten to say that, at the same time, I get that Ellie is a positive role model for girls of any sexual preference, and I also get that a stereotype can still be empowering when the alternative is a vast desert of no role models or worse stereotypes. Also, I realize that every other alternative -- portraying her as straight, leaving her sexual preference ambiguous -- has problems also and would ultimately disappoint someone. If that someone had to be me, a straight dude, worse things could happen. Interesting point. I hadn't thought of that. It's true. My guess is that this is simply the case these days because the kickass smartass lesbian girl combines two checkboxes: Tough female lead and LGBT. But yeah there's this pervasive idea that courageous tomboy girls gotta be lesbians, hence suggesting that straight girls are not (shouldn't be?). The term "tomboy" is already a very telling term. It's entirely possible to be tomboy and be straight. But few straight characters are portrayed this way. It's a social construct of femininity that like all stereotypes is not entirely untrue. But looking at a character like Ellie you are correct that it reinforces these notions.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 17, 2018 0:21:44 GMT
Interesting point. I hadn't thought of that. It's true. My guess is that this is simply the case these days because the kickass smartass lesbian girl combines two checkboxes: Tough female lead and LGBT. But yeah there's this pervasive idea that courageous tomboy girls gotta be lesbians, hence suggesting that straight girls are not (shouldn't be?). The term "tomboy" is already a very telling term. It's entirely possible to be tomboy and be straight. But few straight characters are portrayed this way.
It's a social construct of femininity that like all stereotypes is not entirely untrue. But looking at a character like Ellie you are correct that it reinforces these notions. Yeah, doesn't it increasingly seem that people tend to assume that any tomboy (both real or fictional) are either trans or lesbian? As if that's the only reason why they wouldn't enjoy traditionally "girly" things, nothing to do with those things not being their cup of tea?
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Post by phoray on Jun 17, 2018 1:51:27 GMT
honestly, seems like this is getting close to one of those SJW hate discussions just more polite than I usually see them. A couple directions here. Let's take the tomboy out, and make her really girly. Like, carrying a doll, trying to find teen girl clothes and wearing them if she can get away with it, and being excited when they crash into a makeup store. And then she turned out to be a lesbian. Everybody would cry about how they made her a Super Fem Lesbian which can be a trope.
Another direction: how would any girl growing up in this world NOT meet the basic requirements of "tomboy" and still be ALIVE? Even if you were born and raised in a quarantine zone, there is rampant stealing, fighting, scrounging, going "outside" to scavenge, and murder by both the military and non military.
So in line with the lore, how could you have a female who wasn't a badass tomboy? What if Ellie would love to wear a pink dress and dance, but the last pink dress seen without a stain was ten years ago? Isn't everyone pretty much relegated to flannel and other cotton clothing products that haven't rotted in the last thirty years.
Then another direction: Why is Ellie a "tomboy" at all? Where are you even getting these implications? Because she can shoot a gun? because reasonable clothing? because no makeup?
I mean, I thought a lot of modern equality was about there being no difference between men and women other than the obvious physical differences? Men can like makeup (metrosexual, goth, emo), men are wearing pink (not just for Breast Awareness) 90% of the men I interact with neither own or know how to use a gun. Are they tomgirls? TLDR Ellie being a lesbian/bi is not a trope.
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Post by erikson on Jun 17, 2018 2:00:12 GMT
Elie isn't less girlie because she is a lesbian or out of personal taste, but because she lives in a post-apocalypse hell and was raised as a child soldier. There really aren't any Polly Purehearts in LOU.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 17, 2018 2:09:57 GMT
also the infection can spread through bodily fluids so unless she's no longer infected or some shit she shouldn't be swapping spit with anyone unless she wants them dead 0/10 lore naughty dog absolutely SHIT TIER game Druckmann will probably make it so that she's infected with a mutated strain of the virus that's dormant.
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