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Post by Catilina on Jun 10, 2019 7:32:01 GMT
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 10, 2019 7:40:37 GMT
It just seemed to me that when you don't know who to vote for, if you don't want to place anyone in danger then you don't vote for someone who has already voted for someone else because chances are that person will retaliate and that will automatically put the first person into the lead. I don't think that is normal for Space. Anyway I thought I would do the same to him, just to make my point. However, I am still somewhat troubled by the behaviour of the first two voters, Arcadia and Adonniel. Something about it doesn't feel right. Adonniel specifically says that she has no idea but will probably countervote anyone who votes for her. Then straight after this, Arcadia does. So was she trying to call Adonniel's bluff? Or was this some sort of elaborate charade between spies? I'd really appreciate some other thoughts on how the voting has shaped thus far. I assume Hero will give us a bit of warning before closing the voting, so we can change if it seems like a good idea.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 10, 2019 11:47:00 GMT
It just seemed to me that when you don't know who to vote for, if you don't want to place anyone in danger then you don't vote for someone who has already voted for someone else because chances are that person will retaliate and that will automatically put the first person into the lead. I don't think that is normal for Space. Anyway I thought I would do the same to him, just to make my point. However, I am still somewhat troubled by the behaviour of the first two voters, Arcadia and Adonniel. Something about it doesn't feel right. Adonniel specifically says that she has no idea but will probably countervote anyone who votes for her. Then straight after this, Arcadia does. So was she trying to call Adonniel's bluff? Or was this some sort of elaborate charade between spies? I'd really appreciate some other thoughts on how the voting has shaped thus far. I assume Hero will give us a bit of warning before closing the voting, so we can change if it seems like a good idea. It wasn’t my intention to put Basia in danger. I simply didn’t think about it much. I could switch to you if you prefer.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jun 10, 2019 11:52:01 GMT
It just seemed to me that when you don't know who to vote for, if you don't want to place anyone in danger then you don't vote for someone who has already voted for someone else because chances are that person will retaliate and that will automatically put the first person into the lead. I don't think that is normal for Space. Anyway I thought I would do the same to him, just to make my point. However, I am still somewhat troubled by the behaviour of the first two voters, Arcadia and Adonniel. Something about it doesn't feel right. Adonniel specifically says that she has no idea but will probably countervote anyone who votes for her. Then straight after this, Arcadia does. So was she trying to call Adonniel's bluff? Or was this some sort of elaborate charade between spies? I'd really appreciate some other thoughts on how the voting has shaped thus far. I assume Hero will give us a bit of warning before closing the voting, so we can change if it seems like a good idea. Nah, I was just suspicious of Ad's reaction to the first vote off, like she was faking. I have no clue who to vote for so I went with that. I'm happy to switch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 14:22:48 GMT
Nah, I was just suspicious of Ad's reaction to the first vote off, like she was faking. What's so suspicious in saying, 'I have no clue, so I'll likely choose the safest route?' Usually if someone votes you and if you vote someone else, there is a chance of the second person countering you, which will auto bounce you into lead. I actually have the same question as Gerva towards your reaction to hurry to vote me right after my warning, except, now I'm sort of suspicious of you, whereas now Gerva is suspicious of both of us.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jun 10, 2019 15:15:43 GMT
Nah, I was just suspicious of Ad's reaction to the first vote off, like she was faking. What's so suspicious in saying, 'I have no clue, so I'll likely choose the safest route?' Usually if someone votes you and if you vote someone else, there is a chance of the second person countering you, which will auto bounce you into lead. I actually have the same question as Gerva towards your reaction to hurry to vote me right after my warning, except, now I'm sort of suspicious of you, whereas now Gerva is suspicious of both of us. I don't react well to warnings, I'm not going to stop voting for someone because they threaten to vote for me. It was just the way I read it, I felt like you weren't surprised as to who was voted off. But we're talking about the tiniest suspicion, and literally the only thing I had to grab onto as I have no suspects. I'll quickly change if someone has a suspicion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 15:50:10 GMT
I don't react well to warnings, I'm not going to stop voting for someone because they threaten to vote for me. Ok, then it's explained why you voted for me - you've interpreted my defensive strategy as a threat. There you go Gerva, your explanation. Nothing suspicious going on here.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 10, 2019 16:40:07 GMT
Okay then, that's cool. I wanted some insights and I got them. Not that it helps me decide what to do. It wasn’t my intention to put Basia in danger. I simply didn’t think about it much. I could switch to you if you prefer. Well as I've mentioned in games before, I do get nervous when people don't vote for me as it could be an indication the spies are saving me up for elimination at night. I'm not going to advise you who to switch to though; that's your own decision.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Jun 10, 2019 16:50:38 GMT
So the votes are like this if i'm not mistaken:
Basia-2 Cati-2 Adonniel,Space,Arcadia-1 each
Since stuff seems to be going on i guess it'll end in 24ish hours
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 16:56:44 GMT
I don't react well to warnings You should give warnings a little more love. Warnings tend to have various emotions and reasons underlying them, don't fall into the trap of assigning a singular aggression vibe to them.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 10, 2019 16:58:36 GMT
Basia has 3?
Well I may take Gervaise’s "not advice" and switch. But I would like to hear from her (EDIT Basia, not Gervaise lol) first.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 10, 2019 17:00:15 GMT
Pretty sure Basia should be at 2 votes unless I missed one
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Jun 10, 2019 17:08:40 GMT
Pretty sure Basia should be at 2 votes unless I missed one fixed
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Post by basia on Jun 10, 2019 21:33:53 GMT
Basia has 3? Well I may take Gervaise’s not advice and switch. But I would like to hear from her first. Even if I have only 2 I still encourage you to switch . Sorry for not writing sooner, it's exam session for me and Romi . To be absolutely honest I don't have much to say in my defence at this point. With our invest eliminated there is not one person to trust and no one to vote for with confidence. Also, without Leliana the whole game might be won or lost depending on other roles using their abilities at the right time and that's why I would like to avoid revealing my role. I hope you'll reconsider your vote . Or maybe Cati will if I promise to change my vote and ask nicely? I was hoping to survive a little longer than in the last two games
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 10, 2019 23:58:19 GMT
Basia has 3? Well I may take Gervaise’s not advice and switch. But I would like to hear from her first. Even if I have only 2 I still encourage you to switch . Sorry for not writing sooner, it's exam session for me and Romi . To be absolutely honest I don't have much to say in my defense at this point. With our invest eliminated there is not one person to trust and no one to vote for with confidence. Also, without Leliana the whole game might be won or lost depending on other roles using their abilities at the right time and that's why I would like to avoid revealing my role. I hope you'll reconsider your vote . Or maybe Cati will if I promise to change my vote and ask nicely? I was hoping to survive a little longer than in the last two games If I switch it will put Cati in the lead, which may not be good either, for all I know.
You can't reveal your role anyway in this game. Citadel is different.
OK I'll switch from Basia to Gervaise, you can negotiate with Cati about votes from there.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 11, 2019 1:00:10 GMT
I'm also among the heroes. Not that good if I fall now. I'm not sure about anyone... so...
I don't have a clue. I can switch to Gerva, Space, Adonniel or Arcadia to give a chance to myself...
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Post by basia on Jun 11, 2019 5:49:05 GMT
You can't reveal your role anyway in this game. Citadel is different. Well, then good thing I didn't do it . Sorry, I confused the games, it happens a lot more than I would like to admit . I'm also among the heroes. Not that good if I fall now. I'm not sure about anyone... so... I don't have a clue. I can switch to Gerva, Space, Adonniel or Arcadia to give a chance to myself... To be honest, at this point I think I am the most suspicious of Adonniel, but it's just a little bit. It just seems to me that voting for someone who voted for her is a really comfortable position for a spy who wanted to lay low and her warning about it seems as a good argument to use later in game if someone questions her voting for Arcadia. Of course it is the tiniest bit of suspicion, so I'm not sure if it's the best option. Space changed his vote from me so for now he's off the list of suspects I'm not sure about the rest. Pela didn't write much, Arcadia didn't do that much either. Though her voting for Adonniel knowing that she will get at least one vote on her out of that makes me think that she might be Florianne (once again, just a thought not a real, full suspicion). There has not been enough information to analyse for Gervaise to write one of his loooong posts, so it's hard to tell what he's up to. I'll think about it a little more and probably change my vote a little later (before the deadline of course).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 12:22:58 GMT
voting for someone who voted for her is a really comfortable position for a spy who wanted to lay low and her warning about it seems as a good argument to use later in game if someone questions her voting for Arcadia I thought I was saying the most common thing ever. People counter vote, especially in confusing situations, all the time, but for some reason when I did it, it got made a big deal out of. People want to lay low for two very opposite reasons: a) they're a spy b ) they're a role heroes don't don't don't don't don't don't don't want to vote off. Right now I feel like whapping certain players with a newspaper for drawing all that unwanted attention to my modest person. I'm afraid if you're going to insist then best of lock to you.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 11, 2019 12:30:41 GMT
voting for someone who voted for her is a really comfortable position for a spy who wanted to lay low and her warning about it seems as a good argument to use later in game if someone questions her voting for Arcadia I thought I was saying the most common thing ever. People counter vote, especially in confusing situations, all the time, but for some reason when I did it, it got made a big deal out of. People want to lay low for two very opposite reasons: a) they're a spy b ) they're a role heroes don't don't don't don't don't don't don't want to vote off. Right now I feel like whapping certain players with a newspaper for drawing all that unwanted attention to my modest person. I'm afraid if you're going to insist then best of lock to you. I agree with this, and it’s the basis of what gervaise said about my initial vote for Basia. I think people are just trying to find anything suspicious that they can use to make a decision. That said, there are two spies about who very much want to remain under the radar. I know I’m innocent but can’t tel with anyone else
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 12:40:18 GMT
That said, there are two spies about who very much want to remain under the radar. Well, Pela is under the radar. She ran off right after tossing a ranch to unbalance this all and nobody remembers her since.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:20:46 GMT
1.Gerv 2.Basia 3.Adonniel 4.Space 5.Pela 6.Romice - too soon departed Leli 7.Cati 8.Arcadia
Let me draw the opponents.
Arcadia is against Adonniel
Adonniel -> Arcadia
Basia - > Cat
Cat - > Basia <- hey, Adonniel isn't the only one counter voting, how come nobody's on Cat's case too?
Gerva is against Arcadia/Adonniel and Space/Adonniel
Space -> Basia (lead)
Gerva -> Space - I guess to test if we're evil buddies
Pela is against Cati (lead) <- Or wanted a tie with Basia?
Voting error put Basia in lead
Space - thinks of removing a vote from Basia
Space - vote change - Basia to Gerva (new lead)
So far I can tell that Gerva isn't likely to be evil with Arcadia, Adonniel or Space.
Pela isn't likely to be evil with Cat.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 11, 2019 13:30:35 GMT
1.Gerv 2.Basia 3.Adonniel 4.Space 5.Pela 6.Romice - too soon departed Leli 7.Cati 8.Arcadia Let me draw the opponents. Arcadia is against Adonniel Adonniel -> Arcadia Basia - > Cat Cat - > Basia <- hey, Adonniel isn't the only one counter voting, how come nobody's on Cat's case too? Gerva is against Arcadia/Adonniel and Space/Adonniel Space -> Basia (lead) Gerva -> Space - I guess to test if we're evil buddies Pela is against Cati (lead) <- Or wanted a tie with Basia? Voting error put Basia in lead Space - thinks of removing a vote from Basia Space - vote change - Basia to Gerva (new lead) So far I can tell that Gerva isn't likely to be evil with Arcadia, Adonniel or Space. Pela isn't likely to be evil with Cat. Thanks for the summary. Although my interactions with Basia and gervaise are independent of your interactions with Arcadia. I still don’t have any strong suspicions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:40:48 GMT
Thanks for the summary. Although my interactions with Basia and gervaise are independent of your interactions with Arcadia. I think Gerva was suspecting me and tried tying me to two different partners. First she thought you and I were in cahoots. Then she thought I and Arcadia were in cahoots. Once she figured I'm not linked to you, she was investigating two lines in parallel, you/basia and me/arcadia. I feel like Gerva is looking for a connection between people not just individual suspicion.
I still don’t have any strong suspicions.
I don't have strong suspicions either.
In general I'm more inclined to Pela or Arcadia due to the lack of action from them. Pela vote and disappeared. Arcadia explained her vote on me believably, but it's still odd because normally when people issue a warning they're saying' I don't want a fight', reading that as completely the opposite as 'I want a fight' is odd to say the least. Arcadia said she's inclined to move a vote from me but I haven't seen any action from her other than that. Though none is required since she's in no danger with everyone discussing everyone else.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 11, 2019 13:46:17 GMT
Thanks for the summary. Although my interactions with Basia and gervaise are independent of your interactions with Arcadia. I think Gerva was suspecting me and tried tying me to two different partners. First she thought you and I were in cahoots. Then she thought I and Arcadia were in cahoots. Once she figured I'm not linked to you, she was investigating two lines in parallel, you/basia and me/arcadia. I feel like Gerva is looking for a connection between people not just individual suspicion.
Could be! Which drops her in the suspect list. Edit: let me rephrase that. Makes her less suspicious. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:50:47 GMT
Could be! Which drops her in the suspect list. Edit: let me rephrase that. Makes her less suspicious. Lol Gerva thinks I'm evil from the start... sounds like regular non-evil Gerva.
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