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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jun 11, 2019 16:59:59 GMT
Ah. Okay. This all got interesting. I now have 2 suspects, people who are pushing just a little too hard to get me out........so I'll keep my vote where it is. I'm a hero, I haven't followed anyone else's votes, haven't grouped up with anyone, and acted independently. Hopefully that proves I'm to be trusted.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2019 17:03:21 GMT
Oh I wouldn't say I trust everyone. It is just a matter of damage limitation. I'm sure the outcome will be revealing one way or another.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2019 17:08:23 GMT
Well I'm guessing one of them is Adonniel. Who might the other be?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 17:13:07 GMT
Arcadia, no one was pushing to kick you out, you just got stuck in this due to fixating your vote on me. This vote off is based on the presumption of innocence rather than guilt. People have caught onto my role, so, those who sided with me got added into good books and those who were trying to off me got on the naughty list. It's more of a choice, 'I feel this person is a certain hero role and voting them is completely a bad idea' vs 'I have no idea who the other one is while all look equally evil.' Given the choice, players vote off unknown rather than a person they believe to a hero. There are at least three people who have guessed my role and feel I can be trusted or they hope I can be.
In any case, I'm starting to guess Gerva's role as well and her interest in keeping me specifically in a non-voted state vs even another possible hero.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2019 17:18:47 GMT
I haven't followed anyone else's votes, haven't grouped up with anyone, and acted independently. Hopefully that proves I'm to be trusted. I would just point out that it is not out the question for heroes to work with one another, in fact it is better if you can pull it off, like we did last game. Leliana is out but there is one other hero guaranteed to be in the game that we wouldn't want to lose.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jun 11, 2019 17:20:21 GMT
Arcadia, no one was pushing to kick you out, you just got stuck in this due to fixating your vote on me. This vote off is based on the presumption of innocence rather than guilt. People have caught onto my role, so, those who sided with me got added into good books and those who were trying to off me got on the naughty list. It's more of a choice, 'I feel this person is a certain hero role and voting them is completely a bad idea' vs 'I have no idea who the other one is while all look equally evil.' Given the choice, players vote off unknown rather than a person they believe to a hero. There are at least three people who have guessed my role and feel I can be trusted or they hope I can be.
In any case, I'm starting to guess Gerva's role as well and her interest in keeping me specifically in a non-voted state vs even another possible hero.
Yet we're not supposed to hint? Despite that you have and it's giving you an advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 17:23:05 GMT
Yet we're not supposed to hint? Despite that you have and it's giving you an advantage. I haven't hinted anywhere. People were able to deduce based on my defense.
Also, I really don't think you're the person who should point fingers. Last turn no one gave you a slap on the wrist for your big hint to Gerva. People were diplomatic enough to say it was fun though it was also a grey area.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jun 11, 2019 17:29:47 GMT
Yet we're not supposed to hint? Despite that you have and it's giving you an advantage. I haven't hinted anywhere. People were able to deduce based on my defense. Also, I really don't think you're the person who should point fingers. Last turn no one gave you a slap on the wrist for your big hint to Gerva. People were diplomatic enough to say it was fun though it was also a grey area.
Oh really?..... I change my vote from Arcadia to Catilina.
Unless you guys have a death wish, save me.
Seems like a hint to me, and you said yourself that 3 ppl then guessed your role. I did hint last time, as I'd spent so long in the Citadel game and forgot you couldn't do that here. My mistake was pointed out to me and I apologised. I haven't done it this time, but you hinted Josie very strongly last game and now you've done it again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 17:35:36 GMT
Seems like a hint to me, and you said yourself that 3 ppl then guessed your role. I did hint last time, as I'd spent so long in the Citadel game and forgot you couldn't do that here. My mistake was pointed out to me and I apologised. I haven't done it this time, but you hinted Josie very strongly last game and now you've done it again. What hint would that be? It's extremely general. It could be a Nug doing a lol threat, it would be Iron Bull threatening to take down a random person etc etc... Anybody can say 'ya all will die if you vote me.' I'm pretty sure Space and Gerva guessed my role before I said that. This topic is volatile and I feel you're stirring it over bitterness of getting voted. You really shouldn't.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 11, 2019 17:39:10 GMT
It’s really nice that everyone is civil.
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People make mistakes. Back to voting?
Arcadia I don’t have any suspicion of you, any more than anyone else, but the votes have to land somewhere. I volunteered myself. Lol. In any case at least one person is locked in on you. I know it sucks to be voted on early, and you’ve gone out early recently too.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jun 11, 2019 17:44:29 GMT
Seems like a hint to me, and you said yourself that 3 ppl then guessed your role. I did hint last time, as I'd spent so long in the Citadel game and forgot you couldn't do that here. My mistake was pointed out to me and I apologised. I haven't done it this time, but you hinted Josie very strongly last game and now you've done it again. What hint would that be? It's extremely general. It could be a Nug doing a lol threat, it would be Iron Bull threatening to take down a random person etc etc... Anybody can say 'ya all will die if you vote me.' I'm pretty sure Space and Gerva guessed my role before I said that. This topic is volatile and I feel you're stirring it over bitterness of getting voted. You really shouldn't. Bitterness? Are you fucking kidding me? I've played many rounds with good grace, even when I've been voted off. I always play along and take it on the chin, other players can attest to that. It's not the voting Ad, it's your attitude. And you told everyone you were Josie last round so don't be a hypocrite. This just isn't fun. I feel like I'm having a fight instead of playing a game. Keep the votes on me, I don't want to continue.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 11, 2019 19:05:01 GMT
Oh, my!
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Post by fylimar on Jun 11, 2019 19:10:20 GMT
For what it's worth, I think, Arcadia might be a hero, but I have no idea, who could be a spy. And sorry, I know, I#m not playing, so I keep my mouth shut Space: yes come to us to Europe, we have cookies (and good weather atm)
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 11, 2019 20:05:35 GMT
For what it's worth, I think, Arcadia might be a hero, but I have no idea, who could be a spy. And sorry, I know, I#m not playing, so I keep my mouth shut Space: yes come to us to Europe, we have cookies (and good weather atm) Cookies? Where??
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Post by fylimar on Jun 11, 2019 20:23:43 GMT
For what it's worth, I think, Arcadia might be a hero, but I have no idea, who could be a spy. And sorry, I know, I#m not playing, so I keep my mouth shut Space: yes come to us to Europe, we have cookies (and good weather atm) Cookies? Where?? You have to come over here to Europe to get them
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 12, 2019 0:16:59 GMT
Cookies? Where?? You have to come over here to Europe to get them I'll be knocking at your door in few days
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Post by pelassarias on Jun 12, 2019 0:27:52 GMT
Sorry everyone from a lack of input so far. I've been busy IRL. However, I've just skimmed through what has happened to Arcadia so far and I do have to say that I do know the not so fun feeling of being unanimously voted off during the first round. Of course, there are times when it worked pretty well as Flori , but it's usually a not so great feeling. So, in my opinion, I personally don't think Arcadia has demonstrated enough suspicion to be unanimously voted off during the first round. She's only voted for adonniel, who may or may not be innocent. However, It seems some players have picked up on who adonniel could be, I haven't so far, but this is mainly due to that fact that I've skimmed through the last few pages rather than read through it carefully. So even if adonniel is who people believe she is and she is innocent, I don't think Arcadia voting for her is enough evidence to condemn her during the first round. She can still very well be an innocent player who has voted for another Hero. So surely we can give her a chance at a tiebreaker at least. Unfortunately, I have no clue about the current tally of votes so far, so when Hero updates, I'll come back to see if I can contribute to a possible tiebreaker.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 12, 2019 2:38:40 GMT
So, in my opinion, I personally don't think Arcadia has demonstrated enough suspicion to be unanimously voted off during the first round. Neither do I, but it isn't unanimous I think my vote is on Gerva still, but I don't get spy vibes from Gerva either.. not sure what to do.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2019 15:47:19 GMT
I was going to point this out as well. Essentially it is 4:3 but it looks worse because the other votes are spread. Both Adonniel and Catilina voted to save themselves and Basia had made a deal with Catilina (which is also common enough whether a hero or a spy). I'm the only one without a vested interest apart from not wanting either Adonniel or Catilina to go out this round because they both seem to be hinting (in a non specific way) at important roles. If I hadn't taken my action when I did, Basia might have swapped her vote to Adonniel and the way the voting was spread made it difficult to opt for someone else bearing in mind I had already been on Space before I switched to Catilina and no one seemed inclined to vote for him. I only think I know which role Adonniel might be and I could be wrong but I just didn't want to risk her going out yet. Whether or not Adonniel is telling the truth will likely be shown by who is eliminated overnight.
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Post by pelassarias on Jun 12, 2019 18:10:06 GMT
Yeah, it's not unanimous, but Arcadia is still leading in the votes, and no one else seems to want to vote for adonniel, who I think is the player with the three votes, due to speculation on who she could be. So honestly, it might as well be unanimous since no tiebreaker is currently in place right now for Arcadia, who hasn't shown enough damning suspicion to be leading in the first place. That was the main point of my last post.
ETA: Also, I'm not sure if I want to vote for adonniel either if this current speculation on who she is is true. If adonniel is who I think she is, then voting her up can hurt the Heroes.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 12, 2019 18:45:11 GMT
Yeah, it's not unanimous, but Arcadia is still leading in the votes, and no one else seems to want to vote for adonniel, who I think is the player with the three votes, due to speculation on who she could be. So honestly, it might as well be unanimous since no tiebreaker is currently in place right now for Arcadia, who hasn't shown enough damning suspicion to be leading in the first place. That was the main point of my last post.
ETA: Also, I'm not sure if I want to vote for adonniel either if this current speculation on who she is is true. If adonniel is who I think she is, then voting her up can hurt the Heroes.
I’m at work and this round is hard to follow, but I think Adonniel only has one vote. I’d need to go through it properly to confirm. I already offered people to vote for me, and I wasn’t kidding, but everyone decided I’m too heroic
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2019 18:52:24 GMT
That's what I was saying. I'm sorry about Arcadia but the options are limited and whilst no one seemed to have any idea who we should vote for, there were strong vibes for who we shouldn't. Just to clarify the voting is:
Arcadia - 4 (Catilina, Gervaise, Adonniel, Basia Gervaise - 1 (Space) Adonniel - 1 (Arcadia) Catilina - 1 (Pela)
Now it is hard to see how you could change the vote at this stage. The reason we are all on Arcadia is that we moved our votes from Catilina and Adonniel. Arcadia made it clear she was not going to change her vote on Adonniel and you are still on Catilina. Space is still on me. If you feel that Arcadia has been poorly treated by the rest of the heroes, who do you think we should vote for?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2019 18:58:51 GMT
I already offered people to vote for me, and I wasn’t kidding, I also said that we couldn't afford to lose a genuine hero. I'm also a tad wary since there is one role that wouldn't mind being voted off and if we did, then we'd also be at risk of losing yet another hero in the night. Thus what might seem a noble gesture could come back to bite us even if you genuinely tried to opt for a spy.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 12, 2019 19:02:40 GMT
I already offered people to vote for me, and I wasn’t kidding, I also said that we couldn't afford to lose a genuine hero. I'm also a tad wary since there is one role that wouldn't mind being voted off and if we did, then we'd also be at risk of losing yet another hero in the night. Thus what might seem a noble gesture could come back to bite us even if you genuinely tried to opt for a spy. Heh, well I’m not that role. All will be clear eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 19:02:43 GMT
I think my vote is on Gerva still, but I don't get spy vibes from Gerva either.. not sure what to do. According to Pela, you should vote Adonniel and then set your Castle on fire. Both of these things will greatly help Inquisition.
Arcadia made it clear she was not going to change her vote on Adonniel and you are still on Catilina.
Arcadia limited her own options by grabbing my throat at the start of the round and refusing to let go, so, people were forced to choose either or.
Deeper into the round I probably would have voted Pela.
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