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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 18, 2019 7:22:19 GMT
Just rereading. As Varric a long time ago I revealed Leliana in the narrative but not who Leliana was. That would make sense. If Varric shot Leliana and the player was revealed as well, then that would benefit the spies, whereas just showing that Varric shot Leliana would alert the person who was Varric as to who she was but no one else. Anyway, I think we can be pretty confident that Varric did not shoot anyone in the night and this suggests that in fact there is no Varric in this game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 18, 2019 7:33:26 GMT
Since we now know that adonniel was innocent, that leaves us with gervaise, Cati, and basia, I think. If both the spies actually voted for Arcadia Clearly you also seem to think that Space is innocent because, of course, if both spies did not vote for Arcadia, that would mean that the other spy is either Space or you, Pela. At present I feel I have to place my trust that Space is telling the truth about being a hero, because I have to begin somewhere, so that means my list of potential spies is Catilina, Basia and Pela. So I am going to be very careful too. However, it is now 2 days since Adonniel was eliminated, so I think it is down to someone to kick off the voting. I vote for Basia
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Post by Catilina on Jun 18, 2019 8:53:34 GMT
I'm a good guy, so, now I go with you now: Basia And I hope we don't target a hero...
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Post by basia on Jun 18, 2019 17:15:23 GMT
And I hope we don't target a hero... Well, you're doing a bad job at that. I really don't know what to say, since I cannot hint. Without hinting I guess my only way of defending myself is to find someone who seems more suspicious than I do. So here goes- I vote for Catilina and here's why: -He keeps saying that voting him out would "weaken the heroes" and stuff like that. At first I thought he wanted to suggest that he is an important role, but there are no important roles left. Both Leliana and Cullen are out and while others are certainly useful, they are not the ones considered important. -He voted for two of the heroes at some point (3 if you count me, but as I am still unconfirmed I cannot count myself), of course it was before their indentities were confirmed, but still- a spy would have a higher chance of doing that. -He also claims to have had already vaguely hinted at who he is. I reread all his posts trying to find out who he was hinting at and I got nothing. It is possible that I missed something again and if someone got what he meant I will listen. I realise that all of those "accusations" are not that significant, but that's all I could think of in terms of suggesting someone other than me to vote for. Also here's my obligatory "I am a hero, don't vote for me": I am a hero, so don't vote for me
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Post by Catilina on Jun 18, 2019 17:37:28 GMT
And I hope we don't target a hero...Well, you're doing a bad job at that. I really don't know what to say, since I cannot hint. Without hinting I guess my only way of defending myself is to find someone who seems more suspicious than I do. So here goes- I vote for Catilina and here's why: -He keeps saying that voting him out would "weaken the heroes" and stuff like that. At first I thought he wanted to suggest that he is an important role, but there are no important roles left. Both Leliana and Cullen are out and while others are certainly useful, they are not the ones considered important. -He voted for two of the heroes at some point (3 if you count me, but as I am still unconfirmed I cannot count myself), of course it was before their indentities were confirmed, but still- a spy would have a higher chance of doing that. -He also claims to have had already vaguely hinted at who he is. I reread all his posts trying to find out who he was hinting at and I got nothing. It is possible that I missed something again and if someone got what he meant I will listen. I realise that all of those "accusations" are not that significant, but that's all I could think of in terms of suggesting someone other than me to vote for. Also here's my obligatory "I am a hero, don't vote for me": I am a hero, so don't vote for me The loss of any heroes weakens the heroes. We don't have many people. I said, it's a waste to vote me out now. I'm not sure yet, who's the bad guy. That was the hint. I'm not sure about you as well. Perhaps, I'm not so important now, but I can be.
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Post by basia on Jun 18, 2019 17:54:54 GMT
The loss of any heroes weakens the heroes. We don't have many people. I said, it's a waste to vote me out now. I'm not sure yet, who's the bad guy. That was the hint. I'm not sure about you as well. Perhaps, I'm not so important now, but I can be. I get what you're saying, but this applies to all the heroes so I don't see why would you make a point to mention that. People who keep repeating "I am a hero" like a mantra always make me suspicious since it almost looks as if they are trying to convince themselves of their innocence.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 18, 2019 18:27:46 GMT
The loss of any heroes weakens the heroes. We don't have many people. I said, it's a waste to vote me out now. I'm not sure yet, who's the bad guy. That was the hint. I'm not sure about you as well. Perhaps, I'm not so important now, but I can be. I get what you're saying, but this applies to all the heroes so I don't see why would you make a point to mention that. People who keep repeating "I am a hero" like a mantra always make me suspicious since it almost looks as if they are trying to convince themselves of their innocence. Of course, you're right, the longer the heroes live, the better, I didn't speak about it. I spoke about a special way. I spoke about: I haven't enough information to die worthily. Voting me out is not worth now. Do you have another suspect?
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Post by basia on Jun 18, 2019 18:57:58 GMT
I get what you're saying, but this applies to all the heroes so I don't see why would you make a point to mention that. People who keep repeating "I am a hero" like a mantra always make me suspicious since it almost looks as if they are trying to convince themselves of their innocence. Of course, you're right, the longer the heroes live, the better, I didn't speak about it. I spoke about a special way. I spoke about: I haven't enough information to die worthily. Voting me out is not worth now. Do you have another suspect? Ohhh... I'm somehow even more confused now. It sounds like Iron Bull to me, but I thought Space was hinting at that? Unless it's Cassandra... I don't know . I guess I should think this through once again. As for other suspects it's hard to tell. I'm willing to cross Gervaise out of the suspect list for now since suggesting that one of the spies definitely voted for Arcadia would unnecessarily put him in danger if he was a spy. Pela is not that active so I don't know. Staying silent seems like a popular tactics with the spies. As for Space he could be trying to pull some reverse psychology with that "vote for me" thing. And if he did it's working . I'll probably think a little more and maybe wait for Pela and Space to say something. Though I still don't understand why I'm being voted for...
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 18, 2019 19:24:38 GMT
I'll probably think a little more and maybe wait for Pela and Space to say something Waiting to see what Pela and Space want to do would indeed be helpful. We have all used only one vote up to now, so I would suggest patience.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 18, 2019 21:31:43 GMT
Of course, you're right, the longer the heroes live, the better, I didn't speak about it. I spoke about a special way. I spoke about: I haven't enough information to die worthily. Voting me out is not worth now. Do you have another suspect? Ohhh... I'm somehow even more confused now. It sounds like Iron Bull to me, but I thought Space was hinting at that? Unless it's Cassandra... I don't know . I guess I should think this through once again. As for other suspects it's hard to tell. I'm willing to cross Gervaise out of the suspect list for now since suggesting that one of the spies definitely voted for Arcadia would unnecessarily put him in danger if he was a spy. Pela is not that active so I don't know. Staying silent seems like a popular tactics with the spies. As for Space he could be trying to pull some reverse psychology with that "vote for me" thing. And if he did it's working . I'll probably think a little more and maybe wait for Pela and Space to say something. Though I still don't understand why I'm being voted for... I’m not hinting IB. Well, we aren’t supposed to hint but we do very vaguely occasionally. But if I was it certainly wouldn’t be Iron Bull. I think I know who Cati is very vaguely hinting at. I certainly don’t want to eliminate him. So my suspects in no particular order, if I’m not missing anyone, and if I am then them too ... are Gerva, Pela and you, Basia. Not sure who to vote for, and it’s proving more difficult than I thought to keep track of everything going on while on holiday.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 21, 2019 13:26:36 GMT
So, one of the main streets in Budapest is Andrássy. Of course, I call it Andraste.
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Post by pelassarias on Jun 21, 2019 20:13:48 GMT
Yeah, sorry guys, I've been busy on a sort of holiday as well. Hopefully this has not caused more fuel for any spies to frame me this round , but if it has, oh well. My thoughts so far is that gervaise and/or Cati are probably not on the same team with basia at this point. This means either at least one of the spies are pushing to vote off basia if she's actually innocent. If basia is actually a spy, then at this point she's probably at league with Space. It's also possible that one of the spies has opted to vote for one another if they wanted to extend the game any further. I'm doubting that's the case though considering the situation. With that being said, I'll finally place my vote in a couple of hours. I haven't actually had any sort of time to really figure out who is the most suspicious out of the three who voted for Arcadia, so hopefully I'll come with a decision by today.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 21, 2019 20:25:11 GMT
Yeah, sorry guys, I've been busy on a sort of holiday as well. Hopefully this has not caused more fuel for any spies to frame me this round , but if it has, oh well. My thoughts so far is that gervaise and/or Cati are probably not on the same team with basia at this point. This means either at least one of the spies are pushing to vote off basia if she's actually innocent. If basia is actually a spy, then at this point she's probably at league with Space. It's also possible that one of the spies has opted to vote for one another if they wanted to extend the game any further. I'm doubting that's the case though considering the situation. With that being said, I'll finally place my vote in a couple of hours. I haven't actually had any sort of time to really figure out who is the most suspicious out of the three who voted for Arcadia, so hopefully I'll come with a decision by today. I hope it’s on a fun sort of holiday. 😄 I don’t know who to vote for. I’m not inclined to vote for Cat but anyone else is an option at this point.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 21, 2019 20:43:26 GMT
So, one of the main streets in Budapest is Andrássy. Of course, I call it Andraste. Haha, I hope you enjoy Budapest.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 22, 2019 4:13:43 GMT
So, one of the main streets in Budapest is Andrássy. Of course, I call it Andraste. Haha, I hope you enjoy Budapest. It’s been great so far! Only a bit of rain. Of course we were on a dinner cruise during that big thunder storm.
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Post by pelassarias on Jun 22, 2019 9:12:39 GMT
Alright, although I'm still a bit unsure on who is actually the real spy duo, I'll place a vote on basia for now since she is one of my suspects. I do realize this places basia in the lead, but in my point of view, I pretty much have a half chance of being right. At this late stage of the game, a half chance of being right about a player is sufficient enough for me to put them in the lead. Still feel bad about it though, so sorry basia if I'm wrong.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2019 12:51:05 GMT
I pretty much have a half chance of being right. I am puzzled about this. Half a chance? What do you mean by this? At this late stage of the game, a half chance of being right about a player is sufficient enough for me to put them in the lead. Actually at this stage in the game having half a chance of being right isn't really a good enough reason to put someone in the lead. I've already pointed out that if we vote off a hero this round we have lost, so if someone is really unsure who is guilty it would make more sense to make it a tie-breaker.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 22, 2019 18:04:10 GMT
I pretty much have a half chance of being right. I am puzzled about this. Half a chance? What do you mean by this? At this late stage of the game, a half chance of being right about a player is sufficient enough for me to put them in the lead. Actually at this stage in the game having half a chance of being right isn't really a good enough reason to put someone in the lead. I've already pointed out that if we vote off a hero this round we have lost, so if someone is really unsure who is guilty it would make more sense to make it a tie-breaker. If you are unsure, vote for me. Would be interesting to see what the spies will do.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2019 20:16:55 GMT
The trouble is this wouldn't help us as much as it would last round. Also you can't vote for yourself so it will need more than one hero to support the idea for it to work. Still, let's stir things up a bit. I change my vote from Basia to Space.
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Post by basia on Jun 22, 2019 21:28:37 GMT
Oh... Sorry for not writing much, I am currently in Berlin with Romi and I didn't had much time to follow the discussion here. But since I have the most votes and Space believes that he can eliminate a spy this way I would like change my vote from Catilina to Space. Let's see what happens.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 23, 2019 3:08:51 GMT
The trouble is this wouldn't help us as much as it would last round. Also you can't vote for yourself so it will need more than one hero to support the idea for it to work. Still, let's stir things up a bit. I change my vote from Basia to Space. True, I won’t vote til I have all the votes, then we see what happens.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 23, 2019 13:32:11 GMT
Oh... Sorry for not writing much, I am currently in Berlin with Romi and I didn't had much time to follow the discussion here. But since I have the most votes and Space believes that he can eliminate a spy this way I would like change my vote from Catilina to Space. Let's see what happens. Have fun on your trip!
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2019 8:30:02 GMT
True, I won’t vote til I have all the votes, then we see what happens. I think you could be waiting a very long time if that is the case. I'm looking at Pela in particular at the moment who has not yet responded to my request for clarification of some statements she has made. Initially she felt she had a one third chance of nabbing a spy from the list of people who voted for Arcadia. I pointed out that if only one of the people on her list was a spy, then the other spy had to have come from the list of people who didn't vote for Arcadia. In other words, if she wasn't a spy then the other spy must be Space. Then when making her vote she says she has a 50/50 chance of getting a spy by voting for Basia even though she had previously admitted that if Basia is a spy then she is likely working with Space. So from that point of view it would make more sense to vote for Space since she then has 100% chance of getting the spy. Yet she isn't voting for him. So I'm going to throw the question out there for everyone, who do you think are the spy pair?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 24, 2019 10:11:07 GMT
True, I won’t vote til I have all the votes, then we see what happens. I think you could be waiting a very long time if that is the case. Probably, but if I do vote, and choose a hero, the spies can simply switch onto my vote at the last minute and win the game. Pela is very busy with life lately, but yeah, that's curious. By her logic, and knowing my innocence, both spies voted Arcadia, which seems unlikely, but possible. Pela and Basia seem likely to me, as I have a good feeling about you and Cati. Of course, I've been wrong before.
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Post by pelassarias on Jun 25, 2019 15:42:45 GMT
Well, this latest vote switch has thrown me off a bit. I personally thought that the spy pairs were either Cati/gervaise or basia/Space based on the previous votes, hence why I said I had a half chance of getting it right by voting for basia. But now gervaise and basia have suddenly switched to Space, which has thrown my theory a little bit out of whack. I'm looking at Pela in particular at the moment who has not yet responded to my request for clarification of some statements she has made. Initially she felt she had a one third chance of nabbing a spy from the list of people who voted for Arcadia. I pointed out that if only one of the people on her list was a spy, then the other spy had to have come from the list of people who didn't vote for Arcadia. No, I felt that I had at least a one third chance of nabbing a spy by voting for the players who voted for Arcadia. I did not dismiss the possible theory of both spies voting for Arcadia, and I still haven't.
Still, I did opt to vote for basia since I did think it was possible that she was in cahoots with Space. And I suppose I could have voted for Space, but I thought it would have been more efficient to vote for basia instead considering the number of votes she already had than Space. But now she has switched to Space along with you. And right now, this could be because I was wrong about them being the spy team. So now I need to rethink about the possible spy duos now before thinking about switching again. Unfortunately I have been busy as of late, which is the other reason why my response to these developments have been pretty late. But I'll try to post my thoughts on what has transpired later on today.
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