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Post by Blaze on Jun 25, 2018 15:19:39 GMT
Okay first of all, I want to make it clear that when it comes to romance I don't believe in "we should be able to romance everyone!", aside from the fact that the romances that my character might get to have should be well thought and meaningful, there is the fact that people just might not be into our character and outright say "you are not my type, bugger off" (which i might add doesn't happen enough in RPG). That being said I do believe we should be able to flirt with everyone, even if we can't romance them. Be it with companions, non companions character that important to the plot, or just random people we might never see again. Some of them might be into it, some might just see it as casual harmless flirting and flirt back and some might be outright uncomfortable ad would wish us to leave them alone. To strengthen my point I'm gonna use Dragon Age Inquisition companions as examples: Like Dorian who you can flirt with even if you are female and cannot romance him. OR Vivienne which outright reject any attempt you make with her (and with style I might add). So why can I only flirt with Blackwall if i'm a female? I see no reason why I cannot flirt with him as a guy, sure he will not be into it, but so what, just because his reaction will be different to a male than a female, doesn't mean I cannot or should not be able to flirt with him with a male character.
So to sum up, I believe that the flirting option should present itself more often and even if it doesn't lead to romance we should still have the option to flirt with every character (or at least with most of them) we meet as long as they are of legal age. In fact I vote that we petition Bioware to make that dream come true! Who's with me? =D
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Post by EllanyaWindkeeper on Jun 25, 2018 15:28:22 GMT
It's makes sense, I'm with you
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Post by warden on Jun 25, 2018 15:33:07 GMT
I also want to kill many but ain't possible.
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Post by Blaze on Jun 25, 2018 15:39:30 GMT
It's makes sense, I'm with you yeah! o/\o let's make dragon age flirty again! that sounded better in my head. don't look at me... I also want to kill many but ain't possible. with the numerous requests to get the murder knife back, i think it's likely bioware will indeed do it. so no need to worry about that. now let's worry about the flirting! =P
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 25, 2018 16:46:57 GMT
As long as their are icons, so I know to avoid them, I don't care. That said, you run into the problem of word budgets. That flirty line will take the place of something else. We can't know what that something else would be, or what it's value to us would be, but it would happen. The writers have to weigh the roleplay value of having a flirt for everyone versus the word budget and decide whether it's worth it. It's less of an issue with characters that are already romancible. For example, Sera has lines devoted to a f/f romance. The flirt and rejection you can have with her as a male character takes the space of some of those female lines on a male character. On a character that has no romance at all, like Vivienne, the flirt is available to everyone, so that takes the place of something else she might say.
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Post by phoray on Jun 26, 2018 2:28:50 GMT
Nightscrawl pretty much said what I was thinking. Cassandra's rejection scene was a full on Cinematic, albeit it stole a lot from the same scene's romance-possible version. or Sera's "oy, laugh, you ain't got the right bits, ya? but I like you as a friend, that works." If it was very limited like Viv's laugh or Cullen's exact two lines, I suppose nothing against it. It's not fully cinematic so it couldn't have eaten that much into the budget.
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Post by simit on Jun 26, 2018 15:13:27 GMT
I'll see how they handle it in Anthem, as to nightscrawl comment about it taking place of something else, hasn't it been said romance material has its own budget an if so wouldn't flirting come under that thus not taking anything away from anywhere else but instead adding a dialogue that essentially would never have existed to begin with? no idea how it works tbh
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Post by phoray on Jun 26, 2018 22:52:33 GMT
I'll see how they handle it in Anthem, as to nightscrawl comment about it taking place of something else, hasn't it been said romance material has its own budget an if so wouldn't flirting come under that thus not taking anything away from anywhere else but instead adding a dialogue that essentially would never have existed to begin with? no idea how it works tbh Exactly, it would take away from actual romance lines you could have with your beloved. All 8 romance get a rejection scene, which means there is 8-32 lines of dialogue and possible Cinematic spent on characters rejecting people. Instead of 1-4 more lines from characters telling you about them and\or how much they like your butt
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Post by opuspace on Jun 27, 2018 3:03:21 GMT
Can we have the flirt lines like DAI's version where sometimes all it is, is just a polite compliment that's seen as flirting? Some, like mentioning interest in reading the same book Cassandra loved, or asking a question where Solas follows up with a flirt of his own, was a very nice touch in making the interactions feel natural and less cringe worthy compared to Shepard's epic sleaze lines.
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Post by Blaze on Jun 27, 2018 16:21:15 GMT
I'll see how they handle it in Anthem, as to nightscrawl comment about it taking place of something else, hasn't it been said romance material has its own budget an if so wouldn't flirting come under that thus not taking anything away from anywhere else but instead adding a dialogue that essentially would never have existed to begin with? no idea how it works tbh Exactly, it would take away from actual romance lines you could have with your beloved. All 8 romance get a rejection scene, which means there is 8-32 lines of dialogue and possible Cinematic spent on characters rejecting people. Instead of 1-4 more lines from characters telling you about them and\or how much they like your butt not every flirt lead to rejection, because some flirting s just part of conversation, you are not proposing marriage or even a date whenever you flirt with someone. like when recruiting blackwall there is an extra flirt option for female, which does not change dialogue at all, why can't we do it as a male as well? flirting doesn't always lead to romance. also, it's not accurate what you said. josie and the iron bull can be romanced by everyone so no rejection scene/dialogue. and solas and blackwall cannot be flirted with unless you can romance them. so only 4 rejections. Can we have the flirt lines like DAI's version where sometimes all it is, is just a polite compliment that's seen as flirting? Some, like mentioning interest in reading the same book Cassandra loved, or asking a question where Solas follows up with a flirt of his own, was a very nice touch in making the interactions feel natural and less cringe worthy compared to Shepard's epic sleaze lines. yes exactly, and when it's like that it shouldn't effect much of the conversation even when you do it with non romance characters. heck some of the flirting option i choose were my character being witty without any sexual intention or thought whatsoever
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 27, 2018 16:27:26 GMT
With flirting, I liked how in DAI and MEA the flirts matched the romances they were attached to. For example with Josephine the flirts were more innocent and romantic, while with some of the more sexual romances the flirts were more raunchy. I also really liked and hope they continue what they did in MEA where some of the flirts had different options in how you flirted rather than just being the one option.
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Post by phoray on Jun 27, 2018 22:48:38 GMT
not every flirt lead to rejection, because some flirting s just part of conversation, you are not proposing marriage or even a date whenever you flirt with someone. like when recruiting blackwall there is an extra flirt option for female, which does not change dialogue at all, why can't we do it as a male as well? flirting doesn't always lead to romance. also, it's not accurate what you said. josie and the iron bull can be romanced by everyone so no rejection scene/dialogue. and solas and blackwall cannot be flirted with unless you can romance them. so only 4 rejections. You have misunderstood me. I gave this thing, called an example, about what it would be like in DA4 if everyone had preferences to the point that not any one race/gender combination would be accepted by everyone. I arbitrarily chose the number 8. I assumed these 8 would be planned from the beginning, and wouldn't just LACK flirt options, like Solas does with anyone who isn't a female elf. Then I put forth the assumption, off of these hypothetical facts, that if 8 romances all had a rejection line or lines... that would lead to 8-32 lines of dialogue and possibly even cinematic efforts put merely into the realism of rejection. and these dialogue lines absolutely draw from the budget as well as the amount of time spent on the scenes in general. And since rejection can only fall in the realm of Romance Budget to me... then yes, these rejection lines do steal from ACTUAL romantic lines about how much your LI likes you or talks about themselves as part of opening up to you.
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Post by Blaze on Jun 28, 2018 12:46:34 GMT
not every flirt lead to rejection, because some flirting s just part of conversation, you are not proposing marriage or even a date whenever you flirt with someone. like when recruiting blackwall there is an extra flirt option for female, which does not change dialogue at all, why can't we do it as a male as well? flirting doesn't always lead to romance. also, it's not accurate what you said. josie and the iron bull can be romanced by everyone so no rejection scene/dialogue. and solas and blackwall cannot be flirted with unless you can romance them. so only 4 rejections. You have misunderstood me. I gave this thing, called an example, about what it would be like in DA4 if everyone had preferences to the point that not any one race/gender combination would be accepted by everyone. I arbitrarily chose the number 8. I assumed these 8 would be planned from the beginning, and wouldn't just LACK flirt options, like Solas does with anyone who isn't a female elf. Then I put forth the assumption, off of these hypothetical facts, that if 8 romances all had a rejection line or lines... that would lead to 8-32 lines of dialogue and possibly even cinematic efforts put merely into the realism of rejection. and these dialogue lines absolutely draw from the budget as well as the amount of time spent on the scenes in general. And since rejection can only fall in the realm of Romance Budget to me... then yes, these rejection lines do steal from ACTUAL romantic lines about how much your LI likes you or talks about themselves as part of opening up to you. cool, thanks for clarifying However, i do not believe that every flirting need to be interpeted as romantic attempt. Depend on the nature of the flirting, you can simply flirt with characters (even ones that cannot be romanced with any race and/or gender) without it even leading to rejection, cause there was no proposal either. For example, say my character flirts with a random NPC which in turn would respond with "huh...?". i think it's likely won't take away from the romance budget.
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Post by phoray on Jun 28, 2018 14:34:57 GMT
You have misunderstood me. I gave this thing, called an example, about what it would be like in DA4 if everyone had preferences to the point that not any one race/gender combination would be accepted by everyone. I arbitrarily chose the number 8. I assumed these 8 would be planned from the beginning, and wouldn't just LACK flirt options, like Solas does with anyone who isn't a female elf. Then I put forth the assumption, off of these hypothetical facts, that if 8 romances all had a rejection line or lines... that would lead to 8-32 lines of dialogue and possibly even cinematic efforts put merely into the realism of rejection. and these dialogue lines absolutely draw from the budget as well as the amount of time spent on the scenes in general. And since rejection can only fall in the realm of Romance Budget to me... then yes, these rejection lines do steal from ACTUAL romantic lines about how much your LI likes you or talks about themselves as part of opening up to you. cool, thanks for clarifying However, i do not believe that every flirting need to be interpeted as romantic attempt. Depend on the nature of the flirting, you can simply flirt with characters (even ones that cannot be romanced with any race and/or gender) without it even leading to rejection, cause there was no proposal either. For example, say my character flirts with a random NPC which in turn would respond with "huh...?". i think it's likely won't take away from the romance budget. You're talking 1st about what comes out of the PCs mouth and, 2nd issue, just a general reaction to a flirt. I'm talking about 1st what comes out of an LIs mouth, and 2nd, an actual rejection scene, not a reaction dialogue. Being able to flirt with everyone is a thing even in DAI (sans Solas) but eventually these characters tell you they're not into you so you quit pursuing them. Cullen doesn't get to give you a full blown cinematic rejection, but Sera and Cassandra do. I'm on the fence about the issue, it's a neat thing to have, but I'm not 100% certain I'd choose they spend 20+ hours and 32 dialogue lines out of the budget to make sure this realism is applied to everyone come DA4
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Post by Blaze on Jun 28, 2018 15:47:23 GMT
cool, thanks for clarifying However, i do not believe that every flirting need to be interpeted as romantic attempt. Depend on the nature of the flirting, you can simply flirt with characters (even ones that cannot be romanced with any race and/or gender) without it even leading to rejection, cause there was no proposal either. For example, say my character flirts with a random NPC which in turn would respond with "huh...?". i think it's likely won't take away from the romance budget. You're talking 1st about what comes out of the PCs mouth and, 2nd issue, just a general reaction to a flirt. I'm talking about 1st what comes out of an LIs mouth, and 2nd, an actual rejection scene, not a reaction dialogue. Being able to flirt with everyone is a thing even in DAI (sans Solas) but eventually these characters tell you they're not into you so you quit pursuing them. Cullen doesn't get to give you a full blown cinematic rejection, but Sera and Cassandra do. I'm on the fence about the issue, it's a neat thing to have, but I'm not 100% certain I'd choose they spend 20+ hours and 32 dialogue lines out of the budget to make sure this realism is applied to everyone come DA4 you are missing my point, you adress flirting in terms of romance, what i'm saying is that it's two seperate things, romance and flirting. while i used some companions as an example that was not the point. when i say everyone, i don't mean every companions. what i mean is that it will be nice if flirting option will be added regardless. just in pure term of dialogue. the same as you have sarcastic, aggressive, kind dialogue options, you can also have more flirt options. as in, in one playthrough when your character interact with an NPC thye make sarcastic remark while on a different playthrough a different character of yours flirts with the same NPC. so what i'm suggesting, in the most part, shouldn't effect romance budget since those are extra dialogue options that have nothing to do with romance. i do agree that in term of romance, if adding extra dialogue hinder the depth of the romance itself they shouldn't do it (though, with the rejection and the twice as much romances than the previous games, the devs seemed to manage to give us 8 depth romances indeed). but as i said, what i'm suggesting would be adding lines that in the majority of cases would be seperate from the romance budget. i hope i was more clear with what i meant =)
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 30, 2018 15:27:35 GMT
With flirting, I liked how in DAI and MEA the flirts matched the romances they were attached to. For example with Josephine the flirts were more innocent and romantic, while with some of the more sexual romances the flirts were more raunchy. I also really liked and hope they continue what they did in MEA where some of the flirts had different options in how you flirted rather than just being the one option. But that approach turns our characters into mind readers who automatically know what kind of flirt someone would or wouldn't like. Also, not everyone waits until friendship to get a good take, some people are just naturally flirtatious.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 30, 2018 21:17:25 GMT
With flirting, I liked how in DAI and MEA the flirts matched the romances they were attached to. For example with Josephine the flirts were more innocent and romantic, while with some of the more sexual romances the flirts were more raunchy. I also really liked and hope they continue what they did in MEA where some of the flirts had different options in how you flirted rather than just being the one option. But that approach turns our characters into mind readers who automatically know what kind of flirt someone would or wouldn't like. Also, not everyone waits until friendship to get a good take, some people are just naturally flirtatious. I don't see why that would be the case, at least no more than when there was only one flirt option. And by all means have some of the flirt options not work with some of the love interests. As for flirting before friendship, I didn't say anything about that one way or the other so not sure why you are bringing that up like I was against it.
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