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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 12, 2018 13:49:40 GMT
Nah, that vibe wasn't Solas.
And can someone break down the Slim chat with Aaron? Cuz Slim is totally okay robbing nobles.
Oh no, I disagree. A long-running con like this is right up Fen’Harel’s alley.
As for your other question, Ser Aaron is not a noble; he’s a landless wandering knight with no riches to speak of. Thus, Slim would not target him for theft.
Olivia knew this, but she sold him Aaron’s trinket because she knew Slim would return it. The only person to lose money in that transaction would be Slim.
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Post by phoray on Dec 12, 2018 13:54:26 GMT
Nah, that vibe wasn't Solas.
And can someone break down the Slim chat with Aaron? Cuz Slim is totally okay robbing nobles.
Oh no, I disagree. The information that a Tevinter magister could access would be valuable even to Fen’Harel, and a long-running con is right up his slley.
Ser Aaron is not a noble; he’s a landless wandering knight with no riches to speak of. Thus, Slim would not target him for theft.
Olivia knew this, but she sold him Aaron’s trinket because she knew Slim would return it. The only person to lose money in that transaction would be Slim. We'll agree to disagree on that point
So slim is so dumb HE didn't see this prior to the purchase?
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 12, 2018 13:57:12 GMT
Well, yes. He says he didn’t give the trinket a good look until after he bought it off her.
Have you never noticed an issue with something you bought after you got it home ...?
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Post by phoray on Dec 12, 2018 14:09:25 GMT
It's not my job to sell the things I just bought at a later date.
I guess their long term history COULD have meant the could just show up with a basket of goods and bame a price and Slim would TRUST Olivia the theif not to play him
But that sounds like a terrible strategy for profit in his line of work. Even if her price were off by 50 copper, it'd be an issue and he would never have not inspected "the merch".
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 12, 2018 14:13:26 GMT
Well, anyway, here’s a neat detail I noticed: Page 1 of the first issue is actually the scene from the last few panels of Page 18.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 12, 2018 14:19:56 GMT
okay so short review: so, olivia is a mage? cause i don't know many actors who can produce electricity...
hmm, possible fenris cameo, specifically if you gave him back to danerius.
possible dread wolf agent, dead. i would think solas would be smarter than to just have someone that chatty as an agent...
all in all, great story. olivia sure is interesting character. calix is incredibly stupid it's hurst, but he is a complex character and the ending was great. so all in all my value of him is not low.
and i love what they set for the next game, with the capital of tevinter being captured by the qunari. and best of all, more vaea! i mean even if she won't be a companion, as long as she'd have an appearance in the next game, even a short one, i'd be happy. Ventus/Qarinus isn't the capital of Tevinter Minrathous is - and so far it remains an unconquerable city. I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up holed in there/use it as the main base of operations and either gearing for Qunari invasion or pushing it away until either they or the city gives in. shit, how did i made that mistake >_< still, it's a big historical city, they named it ventus after a victory against the qunari, so kinda symbolic they lost it to them now. and hey, 10 crowns that the qunari would at least try take over minrathous in the next game =P
Although I predicted certain elements of how this would end, I have to admit being surprised by what was really going on in the Qintara estate. “Deception” certainly lived up to its name. Even the main character was a bait and switch. Deception wasn’t about introducing us to Olivia, but Calix. yeah it's a great story alright, and nice setup for things to come =D maybe, either seem as likely since we know very little about her.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 12, 2018 14:27:43 GMT
Solas. Definitely Solas.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 12, 2018 14:42:57 GMT
Nah, that vibe wasn't Solas.
Why don’t you think it was Fen’Harel?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2018 15:10:16 GMT
Just finished reading Issue 3 There were definitely some twists and turns in there I did not expect, from Solas' agent pretending to be the magister to Ventus falling which I thought would be a possible starting point for the next game. Also surprised to see Olivia die, since that's the first time a main comic character has.
While a surprise, I kind of expected what they found to have something to do with the Red Lyrium idol after the teaser trailer for DA4.
I also suspected Francesca would be brought into the group. There seemed to be more there for her than just being an antagonist for this series. Of any new characters introduced in this comic, I could see her as being the one most likely to become a companion. Would be an interesting perspective to see and it rounds out the classes if the comic characters become companions with Aaron as a Warrior, Vaea as a Rogue, and Francesca as a Mage.
Speaking of, I'm glad that Aaron apologized for his earlier behavior to Vaea.
Also, nice to see some familiar names dropped. Not just Danarius and what that hints for the future, but also that Marius and Tessa are still around and part of this growing group. I liked them and look forward to seeing them in the future.
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Post by phoray on Dec 12, 2018 15:38:34 GMT
Nah, that vibe wasn't Solas.
Why don’t you think it was Fen’Harel? Because a follower of Fen 'Harel would never use the word "master."
Not only do I find that out of place and therefore relevant, they even bolded and italisized it like I'm taking a history class in elementary school. It's relevant. They are not talking about Solas.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 12, 2018 15:56:45 GMT
‘Master’ does not always imply ownership. It can simply refer to allegiance. It can be a rank, like Jedi Master Obi-Wan.
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Post by ellehaym on Dec 12, 2018 15:58:03 GMT
I was not expecting Ventus to fall. I wonder what that means for Mae, Dorian and the Lucerni faction?
Then there's the Crows, I don't think we'll see the last of them.
I was really surprised that the magister was an elf all along.
Then there's House Danarius being mentioned. He was able to make Fenris lyrium vallaslin by researching ancient documents. I wonder if getting that info is what their after as well? Could red-lyrium vallaslin be a thing in the future? That might explain why some of the murals have red markings on some of the figures.
So I guess it's safe to say they were talking about the Red Lyrium idol? So it really might have been a weapon after all. Does Solas plan on using it? Dagna was able to make runes and weapons out of red lyrium without the corrupting effects (that we know of) but that might be a gameplay-lore segregation.
If Dalish myth is to be believed, Fen'harel created a weapon that he told the pantheons that he'd use against the others and vice-versa as long as they went to their respective domains: Forgotten Ones in the abyss/underground, Evanuris in the "eternal city"
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Post by phoray on Dec 12, 2018 16:02:05 GMT
‘Master’ does not always imply ownership. It can simply refer to allegiance. It can be a rank, like Jedi Master Obi-Wan. Solas would find it disgusting. He would not have the sort of people round him frantically worshipping him
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 12, 2018 16:07:01 GMT
Welp time to read this comic. These spoilers are right up my alley.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 12, 2018 16:08:42 GMT
Why don’t you think it was Fen’Harel? Because a follower of Fen 'Harel would never use the word "master."
Not only do I find that out of place and therefore relevant, they even bolded and italisized it like I'm taking a history class in elementary school. It's relevant. They are not talking about Solas.
both the fake magister and the fake servant happen to be elves that working for the same person. now, solas would never agree to being called "master" but the fake magister was a former slave and likely been one all his life "master" is a term that he would feel more comfortable with.
"and my true master needs all the information he can get about the shemlen... pardon me, the human world"
so it's a none human that have elven agents and treat the world of the humans as one different to those of the elves.
solas seem the most fit, can be someone we never heard of before, but kinda unlikely given what we know. PS: the use of the word master could also be a... deception
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 12, 2018 16:13:46 GMT
Then there's House Danarius being mentioned. He was able to make Fenris lyrium vallaslin by researching ancient documents. I wonder if getting that info is what their after as well? Could red-lyrium vallaslin be a thing in the future? That might explain why some of the murals have red markings on some of the figures.
So I guess it's safe to say they were talking about the Red Lyrium idol? So it really might have been a weapon after all
Following up on Fenris’ tattoos is something I’ve been wanting since DA2. It makes me excited. Hmm, It was mentioned that they were working with a “defunct” character for something they couldn’t talk about... On the other hand, let me just slot this into the theory about these comics hinting at the start of DA4 assuming new character: Playing off the idea that all the new characters were connected to a particular noble house, whether as a member, servant, slave, or business partner. What if the human PC started as a member of House Danarius? Let’s assume for the moment that the magister we knew In DA2 has died or been displaced in the meantime if you didn’t kill him, perhaps to be replaced by an ambitious nephew or something. The research into elven magic on the premises could be of interest to several parties...
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 12, 2018 16:16:29 GMT
So uh. Where do I read this? Google Play won't have it until March 2019. 🤔
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 12, 2018 16:19:03 GMT
So uh. Where do I read this? Google Play won't have it until March 2019. 🤔 I use the Dark Horse comics app
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Post by Blaze on Dec 12, 2018 16:21:22 GMT
Playing off the idea that all the new characters were connected to a particular noble house, whether as a member, servant, slave, or business partner. What if the human PC started as a member of House Danarius? Let’s assume for the moment that the magister we knew In DA2 has died or been displaced in the meantime if you didn’t kill him, perhaps to be replaced by an ambitious nephew or something. The research into elven magic on the premises could be of interest to several parties... oooh that would be awesome! =D
than again, there are so many backgrounds to play, that i hope they won't limit it to one, like say the ability to play a qunari (regardless of race) just a member of the qun! =D
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 12, 2018 16:36:15 GMT
y'all the qunari hype is REAL I don't think that actually counts as a spoiler but jUST IN CASE. 👀Also YES PLEASE to Crows, House Danarius...!!
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Post by marikahaliwell on Dec 12, 2018 17:16:17 GMT
My heart is broken !!!!
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Dec 12, 2018 17:40:55 GMT
Couple of responses: On Calix: Yep, he's an idiot. And yep, this is his origin story. We wrote this as his story hidden as his mentor's story (which is why we opened Issue 1 with a flash forward to her final moments, and why after Issue 1, Olivia's voiceover style captions drop out). Olivia's death will change him going forward.
On Gaius (the fake Magister Qintara): He has been reporting to Fen'Harel. But that doesn't mean he's ever met him, nor that Solas has the slightest idea of how Gaius or other of his agents refer to him. Just as Vaea works for the Inquisition but has never met the Inquisitor, Gaius was recruited by an agent who was themselves likely recruited by an agent. He was a slave his whole life, and while he is thrilled to be working for an ancient god reawakened, he doesn't have training in exactly what that entails - he's just been giving information to his fellow agents. I can say with absolute certainty... Fen'Harel would not even have approved of the trading of the weapon for information. But Gaius' mandate was information, so when the weapon was in his hands, he saw it as just another tool to get that information.
As to the weapon... you'll have to wait and see what it is. But we've been setting this particular MacGuffin in motion since the first issue of Knight Errant.
Lastly, Slim... Ser Aaron is not a noble. He's landless and doesn't even have a coat of arms or crest that'd be recognizable. The pendant Olivia stole from Ser Aaron has an image of a Mabari on it. In Ferelden, that's hardly a unique symbol. So what Slim bought was a pendant given by the King to someone, with no real indication which of dozens of minor nobles it could have been. So he bought it. But only afterwards did he realize that Alistair had given a pendant like that to Ser Aaron, and that Olivia had been seen with Ser Aaron.
And stealing from a landless Knight who stands up for the common people at every turn goes against everything Slim Couldry stands for.
And yeah, Olivia knew he'd eventually realize this, so she chose to steal from Couldry instead of Aaron.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 17:54:54 GMT
Because a follower of Fen 'Harel would never use the word "master."
Not only do I find that out of place and therefore relevant, they even bolded and italisized it like I'm taking a history class in elementary school. It's relevant. They are not talking about Solas.
both the fake magister and the fake servant happen to be elves that working for the same person. now, solas would never agree to being called "master" but the fake magister was a former slave and likely been one all his life "master" is a term that he would feel more comfortable with.
"and my true master needs all the information he can get about the shemlen... pardon me, the human world"
so it's a none human that have elven agents and treat the world of the humans as one different to those of the elves.
solas seem the most fit, can be someone we never heard of before, but kinda unlikely given what we know. PS: the use of the word master could also be a... deception I'm going to go ahead and agree with phoray , here, though I will with the caveat that it may just be the writers not knowing how picky and careful Solas is about wording things, as he wouldn't want anyone to believe he owned them or had overridden their free will.
If Solas had someone knowingly working for him - not just a member of a cell, as he usually works by proxy - it would be on the condition that it was of their own choice. But "benefactor" or "employer" doesn't sound as menacing as "master". If the writers were going for menace, one could just as easily presume that the elf in question was a slave all his life, and defaulted to calling whoever was in charge of things "master".
That in mind, Felassan never referred to Fen'Harel/Solas as "master" or "my lord", just "you" - which implies intimacy of some sort, be it friendship or something more. Felassan seems to have almost worshiped him, too, which Solas would have really hated, yet didn't give him the respect of a title. I'm thinking Solas would be very specific in the way he allowed his underlings to address him. Going by Cole's line in Trespasser "He wants to give wisdom, not orders", as having command has never sat easily with him.
So, either a flub on the writers part, an elf who doesn't know how much Solas loathes being assumed to be in control of someone else's personal autonomy, or a different "master" altogether.
Lol, never mind, ninjaed by Nunzio.
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Post by ellehaym on Dec 12, 2018 17:57:03 GMT
oh boy ... the weapon being sold to a magister house did not make sense to me seeing how Solas was against the use of red lyrium and would probably wanted to keep it hidden and info on ancient evhen texts would be useless for someone like Solas who lived in those ancient times. But now that it was one of his underlings that sold it without prior knowledge or permission, it isn't looking good. I thought the elves were not going to keep their end of the bargain once it was time to trade, but it looks like it really was traded for info. I hope it was worth it. I'm not too surprised this happened and it looks like Solas' spy network has some blind spots in it and he's not as all seeing as some have thought.
Maybe red lyrium vallaslin will become a possibility after all
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