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Post by vallixas on Aug 1, 2018 2:40:04 GMT
The OT did, Andromeda not so much. So they'd either have to go back to the Milky Way, or reboot again. I still don't believe we'll see another though. All three directions are problematic. Continuing with Andromeda has the baggage of the first game, reboots have a a lot of negativity towards them as well generally along the lines of not being creative, and going back to the Milky Way has the exact same problem they were trying to escape with Andromeda and that was player choice and the expectations of the community. I really think when we see Mass Effect again it will still be in Andromeda, but with a different direction then what was planned. Since BioWare makes games in a cycle there is Anthem in 2019 and whenever they release Dragon Age again and only then will BioWare talk Mass Effect. You really believe that? If another Mass Effect were to exist, EA/Bioware would want it to be a success. Attaching it's name to something that was as troubled and panned throughout the gaming media as Andromeda is really not the best way to present another Mass Effect. Reboot all the way. Quote me on it.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 1, 2018 4:29:11 GMT
All three directions are problematic. Continuing with Andromeda has the baggage of the first game, reboots have a a lot of negativity towards them as well generally along the lines of not being creative, and going back to the Milky Way has the exact same problem they were trying to escape with Andromeda and that was player choice and the expectations of the community. I really think when we see Mass Effect again it will still be in Andromeda, but with a different direction then what was planned. Since BioWare makes games in a cycle there is Anthem in 2019 and whenever they release Dragon Age again and only then will BioWare talk Mass Effect. You really believe that? If another Mass Effect were to exist, EA/Bioware would want it to be a success. Attaching it's name to something that was as troubled and panned throughout the gaming media as Andromeda is really not the best way to present another Mass Effect. Reboot all the way. Quote me on it. Stay in Andromeda doesn't mean attaching to the name, its attaching to the area of space. A reboot is just as easily going to crash and burn if not more likely because there will be the people looking for the flaws and making just as big a stink that the missions aren't exactly the same or they didn't use thermal clips and then you will see the game just as badly panned as Andromeda because it would generate clicks.
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Post by vallixas on Aug 1, 2018 10:34:32 GMT
You really believe that? If another Mass Effect were to exist, EA/Bioware would want it to be a success. Attaching it's name to something that was as troubled and panned throughout the gaming media as Andromeda is really not the best way to present another Mass Effect. Reboot all the way. Quote me on it. Stay in Andromeda doesn't mean attaching to the name, its attaching to the area of space. A reboot is just as easily going to crash and burn if not more likely because there will be the people looking for the flaws and making just as big a stink that the missions aren't exactly the same or they didn't use thermal clips and then you will see the game just as badly panned as Andromeda because it would generate clicks. Mass Effect 3's ending was so bad, they moved to an entirely new galaxy just to correct it, and it failed. What do you think they're going to do with a game that was universally panned? lol. Andromeda's not coming back. Too much bad blood attached to it's name. Add that to the fact it's not worth continuing in a new galaxy if the story is not going to be centered around anything Andromeda was about (not that it was worth it to begin with, kett were no reapers). What is the point? we're still in a new galaxy with no infrastructure, and none of the the things that made the OT great. It's liiterally making the same mistake twice. If you're going to reboot the plot entirely, might as well go back to the Milky Way where things are already firmly set up, and just start a new story. They tried making an entirely new concept and they couldn't do it. We got a game that was supposed to be new but ended up mostly retreading on ME1 and ME2 grounds, badly. And just giving us poor imitations of aspects from the other games. Bootleg citadel, bootleg normandy, bootleg joker, bootleg edi, bootleg collectors. If you're going to try that hard to be the original games, might as well go back to them. Easier to build on to what they already had set up.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 1, 2018 11:55:03 GMT
Their biggest mistake was pandering to everyone who whinged about player choice mattering regarding the endings. They should have just grabbed one and run with it, building off everything they had already established.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 1, 2018 12:23:03 GMT
Stay in Andromeda doesn't mean attaching to the name, its attaching to the area of space. A reboot is just as easily going to crash and burn if not more likely because there will be the people looking for the flaws and making just as big a stink that the missions aren't exactly the same or they didn't use thermal clips and then you will see the game just as badly panned as Andromeda because it would generate clicks. Mass Effect 3's ending was so bad, they moved to an entirely new galaxy just to correct it, and it failed. What do you think they're going to do with a game that was universally panned? lol. Andromeda's not coming back. Too much bad blood attached to it's name. Add that to the fact it's not worth continuing in a new galaxy if the story is not going to be centered around anything Andromeda was about (not that it was worth it to begin with, kett were no reapers). What is the point? we're still in a new galaxy with no infrastructure, and none of the the things that made the OT great. It's liiterally making the same mistake twice. If you're going to reboot the plot entirely, might as well go back to the Milky Way where things are already firmly set up, and just start a new story. They tried making an entirely new concept and they couldn't do it. We got a game that was supposed to be new but ended up mostly retreading on ME1 and ME2 grounds, badly. And just giving us poor imitations of aspects from the other games. Bootleg citadel, bootleg normandy, bootleg joker, bootleg edi, bootleg collectors. If you're going to try that hard to be the original games, might as well go back to them. Easier to build on to what they already had set up. Mass Effect: Andromeda was designed to be what you are saying because BioWare was stupid and tried to appease the online commentators and wishlists. There is more then just Mass Effect 3's endings to why they couldn't stay, there was too many galaxy defining moments and player expectations across all three games that contributed to it and people expected that the games had a fundamental shift based on all their choices in the games. We really don't know how Andromeda did for EA and BioWare, I think it would be being blind to think it was at their expectations or higher, but at the same time the way EA talks about Andromeda to their shareholders I just don't think its nearly as bad as you think it is. So many of the people complaining about Andromeda at least the non-players I think just followed the Twitter trends to make money otherwise you would see people caring about people debating other studios and games with issues like Andromeda get covered for months as well. The other thing is they spent almost $100 million CDN to make and develop Andromeda do you think they are going to watch to scrap that investment to recreate the original trilogy at the cost of developing everything they need to again from assets to story. Staying in the Andromeda Galaxy allows them to finish what they started with the people that bought the game and enjoyed it instead of gambling they might make more people happy by rebooting the franchise which is just as risky as going to Andromeda in the first place. To me I think a lot of people were upset at some of the key features of Andromeda, but if BioWare is able to make a good game it doesn't matter where it is set for you will always have the people looking to rip it apart, but you will have the people that just want a good game to return. Its a huge risk to go back and try and replicate Shepard v. Reapers because you are going to be fighting with nostalgia versus having a game set in Andromeda building on Andromeda, but at the same time could just as easily have a completely new focus and story.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 1, 2018 12:24:18 GMT
Their biggest mistake was pandering to everyone who whinged about player choice mattering regarding the endings. They should have just grabbed one and run with it, building off everything they had already established. Its people whining about player choice period. Look at all the complaints about choices during Mass Effect 2 and 3. People would want to see massive alterations to the game based on the outcome of the Geth, Krogan, Rachni, etc. which was a problem starting with Mass Effect 2. Even look at Dragon Age how people still cannot get over the fact The Warden will not return and people still want them to return for the next Dragon Age game, where to me BioWare has been fairly consistent with they are not going to have a character return where there is a one in four chance they are dead.
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Post by vallixas on Aug 1, 2018 12:38:27 GMT
The other thing is they spent almost $100 million CDN to make and develop Andromeda do you think they are going to watch to scrap that investment to recreate the original trilogy at the cost of developing everything they need to again from assets to story. Andromeda had a $40 million dollar budget. What do you mean finish what they started? they're not going to. They closed down the studio AND cancelled Andromeda's dlc and all further updates within the same year it released. The team behind Andromeda is no longer a factor. This isn't a case of Dragon Age 2, it's much worse. Any team that takes on the franchise in the future will more than likely go a different direction and rightfully so. And that's not happening for years, if ever to begin with. Bioware can say what they like, but EA isn't going to keep allowing this backlash with this franchise. I'm sorry you're not giving good enough excuses. The Milky Way was a large enough galaxy already that we barely even tapped upon. How hard was it to instead forward time to an era where all those decisions already sat. It would've been a million times easier than starting fresh. I don't see it, Andromeda had no redeeming qualities. No one liked the villain, no one liked the characters, no one liked this new universe. And Bioware/EA knows it. Within a month the game was already discounted at 20%, another month 50%, after that prices as low as $20-$15 started showing up. I could buy the game new on Gamefly for $8 within the same year it released. Add that to the fact again, the cancellation of dlc/updates within year of release, Montreal axed. It.was.that.bad. The fact that after all of that, this is still a question is baffling to me. Retailers to this day are still promoting multiple clearance sales to get rid of copies. Flopped spin-offs rarely get revisits.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 1, 2018 13:43:17 GMT
The other thing is they spent almost $100 million CDN to make and develop Andromeda do you think they are going to watch to scrap that investment to recreate the original trilogy at the cost of developing everything they need to again from assets to story. Andromeda had a $40 million dollar budget. What do you mean finish what they started? they're not going to. They closed down the studio AND cancelled Andromeda's dlc. The team behind Andromeda is no longer a factor. This isn't a case of Dragon Age 2, it's much worse. Any team that takes on the franchise in the future will more than likely go a different direction and rightfully so. And that's not happening for years, if ever to begin with. Bioware can say what they like, but EA isn't going to keep allowing this backlash with this franchise. I'm sorry you're not giving good enough excuses. The Milky Way was a large enough galaxy already that we barely even tapped upon. How hard was it to instead forward time to an era where all those decisions already sat. It would've been a million times easier than starting fresh. I don't see it, Andromeda had no redeeming qualities. No one liked the villain, no one liked the characters, no one liked this new universe. And Bioware/EA knows it. Within a month the game was already discounted at 20%, another month 50%, after that prices as low as $20-$15 started showing up. I could buy the game new on Gamefly for $8 within the same year it released. It.was.that.bad. Retailers to this day are still promoting multiple clearance sales to get rid of copies. Wrong. It was given a $100 million CAD budget which is around $76 million USD. That budget includes marketing abd research. Yes it was discounted fast and dlc scrapped. But they'd be stupid to abandon it.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 1, 2018 14:09:21 GMT
The other thing is they spent almost $100 million CDN to make and develop Andromeda do you think they are going to watch to scrap that investment to recreate the original trilogy at the cost of developing everything they need to again from assets to story. Andromeda had a $40 million dollar budget. What do you mean finish what they started? they're not going to. They closed down the studio AND cancelled Andromeda's dlc and all further updates within the same year it released. The team behind Andromeda is no longer a factor. This isn't a case of Dragon Age 2, it's much worse. Any team that takes on the franchise in the future will more than likely go a different direction and rightfully so. And that's not happening for years, if ever to begin with. Bioware can say what they like, but EA isn't going to keep allowing this backlash with this franchise. I'm sorry you're not giving good enough excuses. The Milky Way was a large enough galaxy already that we barely even tapped upon. How hard was it to instead forward time to an era where all those decisions already sat. It would've been a million times easier than starting fresh. I don't see it, Andromeda had no redeeming qualities. No one liked the villain, no one liked the characters, no one liked this new universe. And Bioware/EA knows it. Within a month the game was already discounted at 20%, another month 50%, after that prices as low as $20-$15 started showing up. I could buy the game new on Gamefly for $8 within the same year it released. Add that to the fact again, the cancellation of dlc/updates within year of release, Montreal axed. It.was.that.bad. The fact that after all of that, this is still a question is baffling to me. Retailers to this day are still promoting multiple clearance sales to get rid of copies. Flopped spin-offs rarely get revisits. Aaryn Flynn said to the provincial government when asking for tax cuts that Andromeda all in cost $100 million between development, research, and marketing. LinkJust because the studio is gone doesn't mean its impossible to continue the major plot beats, besides the majority of people still work under the EA umbrella so if they are absolutely necessary they could also transfer them back to the game if they want to deal with the community again. There has been plenty of backlash against BioWare over the years and they still make games because the thing that matters the most about the future of a game is copies sold and digital content purchased. People were also claiming that the backlash against Mass Effect 3 was the death of the franchise or the proclamations that Dragon Age 2 would have been the death of BioWare as well. The online community has a very checkered opinion when it comes to EA. I think Manveer Heir is a good example, people demanded that EA to fire him for years and they didn't, but the first interview he gave about working on Andromeda after not having his contract renewed people took it as gospel. So the moment he leaves EA is he completely believable and his past doesn't mean anything unless he was working on EA. Just like any of the other developers that speak positively about EA and what its like to work at BioWare are always classified as "not believable because they might want to go back", but if its negative it always becomes you must believe it. Your excuses for saying a reboot isn't any better then mine and please don't speak for me when you say "everyone" I personally think Drak was the best first appearance of any BioWare character and would hate to never see him again. They had the typical problem of your first companions being annoying, but I have found that to be a problem going all the way back to Dragon Age: Origins. At the same time the Kett were underdeveloped and the overall villain is dead so I can see promise sticking with Andromeda Galaxy. It just depends on what they learn from Andromeda. BioWare games are typical pre-order sellers, the only exception I have really noticed over the years was Dragon Age: Origins, but it had a holiday release so over November and December they game bobbed up and down. Depending on what you read and who you ask Mass Effect 3 or Dragon Age: Inquisition are BioWare's best selling games and you saw the exact same argument against them with having sales for the games quickly to prove they were failures as well. The thing is when Andrew Wilson makes a comment in the Q3 2018 earnings call, the sales numbers just don't seem to be as bad as you observed. It also seems that publishers are caring more about "player engagement" and I have no clue what that really means for the meaning keeps changing. There are also bigger consequences for not being accurate and truthful with statements to shareholders then us.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 1, 2018 15:58:55 GMT
Within a month the game was already discounted at 20%, another month 50%, after that prices as low as $20-$15 started showing up. I could buy the game new on Gamefly for $8 within the same year it released. Add that to the fact again, the cancellation of dlc/updates within year of release, Montreal axed. It.was.that.bad. The fact that after all of that, this is still a question is baffling to me. Retailers to this day are still promoting multiple clearance sales to get rid of copies. Flopped spin-offs rarely get revisits. Isn't the italed fairly typical? The rest, not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 16:44:43 GMT
Would it be focused on one storyline and one character or spaceship crew or would each episode cover certain events in the Mass Effect universe like the Krogan Rebellion and First Contact war? Would slavery be a controversial topic? Do you think there are humans enslaved on the Batarian homeworld or would this anger the Alliance enough to send a fleet to Khar'Shan? Cerberus has done horrible things. There was also a Cerberus torture den for aliens on Trident.
Would a story featuring an idealistic character who wants to fight Cerberus and Batarian slavers be interesting?
There are still nation states on Earth in ME. Would it be interesting to see what humans on Earth think of the Alliance during 2150s-2183? First Contact War - doesn't interest me. It was a short, limited engagement and we already know the outcome. Not interested in playing M*A*S*H in space.
Slavery - boring topic... overdone already in other games. Questions about using synthetics or bots as slaves were already explored in ME1 regarding the geth and with EDI in ME3.
Cerberus was a lame opponent in Mass Effect 3 overall... and we know that TIM was destroyed, as was Kai Lame. There is no apparent heir to the that throne.
Overall, I see the future for the franchise is completing the development of the Andromeda story line and then returning the franchise to the Milky Way via members of the Initiative returning to the Milky Way... creating a whole new "universe" of story line possibilities.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 16:53:15 GMT
The other thing is they spent almost $100 million CDN to make and develop Andromeda do you think they are going to watch to scrap that investment to recreate the original trilogy at the cost of developing everything they need to again from assets to story. Andromeda had a $40 million dollar budget. What do you mean finish what they started? they're not going to. They closed down the studio AND cancelled Andromeda's dlc and all further updates within the same year it released. The team behind Andromeda is no longer a factor. This isn't a case of Dragon Age 2, it's much worse. Any team that takes on the franchise in the future will more than likely go a different direction and rightfully so. And that's not happening for years, if ever to begin with. Bioware can say what they like, but EA isn't going to keep allowing this backlash with this franchise. I'm sorry you're not giving good enough excuses. The Milky Way was a large enough galaxy already that we barely even tapped upon. How hard was it to instead forward time to an era where all those decisions already sat. It would've been a million times easier than starting fresh. I don't see it, Andromeda had no redeeming qualities. No one liked the villain, no one liked the characters, no one liked this new universe. And Bioware/EA knows it.Within a month the game was already discounted at 20%, another month 50%, after that prices as low as $20-$15 started showing up. I could buy the game new on Gamefly for $8 within the same year it released. Add that to the fact again, the cancellation of dlc/updates within year of release, Montreal axed. It.was.that.bad. The fact that after all of that, this is still a question is baffling to me. Retailers to this day are still promoting multiple clearance sales to get rid of copies. Flopped spin-offs rarely get revisits. Bolded is absolute BS. There are enough people on this website alone who have stated that they like the game, liked at least some of the characters, and liked the set pieces (i.e. universe) to illustrate that your claim of "no one liking" anything about the game is completely false. The game received an average rating from the critics, but was metabombed moments after the polls opened dropping the overall initial score. You obviously don't like the game... but it is obvious that not everyone shares your opinion.
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Post by theduke on Aug 1, 2018 17:44:14 GMT
Doing a sequel to Andromeda would be the best option, a prequel story would be a terrible idea. A first contact war game while intriguing wouldn't have any weight to it. We already know what happens, so there would be no sense of mystery of what could happen.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 1, 2018 19:26:08 GMT
a possible re telling of the Original Trilogy thru a new set of eyes with a more consistent story. Side note: I would change the Role of Cerberus within ME3 due to it is very bad writing. Adding New Factions and More Sleeper Agents with all factions is what I majorly press for the Re Telling of Mass Effect Original Trilogy for a good variety of Enemies NPC to go against.
Black Talon: An Powerful Mercenary Organization that operate within System Alliance, Citadel and Terminus space. A believable amount of Firepower and Manpower to rival other mercenary factions, Citadel and System Alliance.
Paragons Of Our Kind:: an Pro Alien xenophile Human organization is dedicated to deducing Humanity power within the Entire Milk Way galaxy while expanding all Aliens power thru out the galaxy.
Well Bioware should get the animation and game mechanics down first before they work on the story. As much as I would love a more believable Cerberus storyline, I know that most likely it will not be happening.
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Post by sil on Aug 1, 2018 23:17:50 GMT
It'll never happen, but I'd love to see a pre-mankind Mass Effect, so we can see some of the unknown history of the galaxy before we opened our relay. Perhaps introducing a new race or two and see what fate is in store for them (likely bad considering they wouldn't exist at the time of ME1). Glyph finds at least 18 previously undocumented historical events during Citadel DLC, and it always made me wonder what terrible deeds were hidden by the archives.
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a possible re telling of the Original Trilogy thru a new set of eyes with a more consistent story. Side note: I would change the Role of Cerberus within ME3 due to it is very bad writing. Adding New Factions and More Sleeper Agents with all factions is what I majorly press for the Re Telling of Mass Effect Original Trilogy for a good variety of Enemies NPC to go against. Black Talon: An Powerful Mercenary Organization that operate within System Alliance, Citadel and Terminus space. A believable amount of Firepower and Manpower to rival other mercenary factions, Citadel and System Alliance. Paragons Of Our Kind:: an Pro Alien xenophile Human organization is dedicated to deducing Humanity power within the Entire Milk Way galaxy while expanding all Aliens power thru out the galaxy. Well Bioware should get the animation and game mechanics down first before they work on the story. As much as I would love a more believable Cerberus storyline, I know that most likely it will not be happening. This is quite possibly the best direction, although i'd say a complete reboot of the OT through different eyes. I agree with this post from another board as well, spot on for why Andromeda will never make fans happy. Andromeda had a $40 million dollar budget. What do you mean finish what they started? they're not going to. They closed down the studio AND cancelled Andromeda's dlc and all further updates within the same year it released. The team behind Andromeda is no longer a factor. This isn't a case of Dragon Age 2, it's much worse. Any team that takes on the franchise in the future will more than likely go a different direction and rightfully so. And that's not happening for years, if ever to begin with. Bioware can say what they like, but EA isn't going to keep allowing this backlash with this franchise. I'm sorry you're not giving good enough excuses. The Milky Way was a large enough galaxy already that we barely even tapped upon. How hard was it to instead forward time to an era where all those decisions already sat. It would've been a million times easier than starting fresh. I don't see it, Andromeda had no redeeming qualities. No one liked the villain, no one liked the characters, no one liked this new universe. And Bioware/EA knows it.Within a month the game was already discounted at 20%, another month 50%, after that prices as low as $20-$15 started showing up. I could buy the game new on Gamefly for $8 within the same year it released. Add that to the fact again, the cancellation of dlc/updates within year of release, Montreal axed. It.was.that.bad. The fact that after all of that, this is still a question is baffling to me. Retailers to this day are still promoting multiple clearance sales to get rid of copies. Flopped spin-offs rarely get revisits. Bolded is absolute BS. There are enough people on this website alone who have stated that they like the game, liked at least some of the characters, and liked the set pieces (i.e. universe) to illustrate that your claim of "no one liking" anything about the game is completely false. The game received an average rating from the critics, but was metabombed moments after the polls opened dropping the overall initial score. You obviously don't like the game... but it is obvious that not everyone shares your opinion. I just came back from months ago, and more than half of the people who were around when the game first released no longer post, I can tell by how many of the likes I used to get for one, now only most of the hardcore defenders of the game remain, the ones still convinced this game was a success, and make excuses like metabombs, "they just hated it because shepard was gone" and politics, you know, all the excuses in the encyclopedia, anything to distract from the fact it just wasn't a good game. Even then at that time when the board was full of outspoken individuals, this website didn't make up even 20% of the people who bought Andromeda and had an opinion lol. So......irrelevant. The last portion of your sentence is not true btw. I liked the multiplayer, and I liked Ryder. (scott), but yeah that's about it.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 2, 2018 15:35:56 GMT
keep in mind I have nothing against Andromeda, Much like the Milk Way, I do think Andromeda has plenty of stories to tell.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 2, 2018 18:26:16 GMT
I just came back from months ago, and more than half of the people who were around when the game first released no longer post, I can tell by how many of the likes I used to get for one, now only most of the hardcore defenders of the game remain, the ones still convinced this game was a success, and make excuses like metabombs, "they just hated it because shepard was gone" and politics, you know, all the excuses in the encyclopedia, anything to distract from the fact it just wasn't a good game. Even then at that time when the board was full of outspoken individuals, this website didn't make up even 20% of the people who bought Andromeda and had an opinion lol. So......irrelevant. The last portion of your sentence is not true btw. I liked the multiplayer, and I liked Ryder. (scott), but yeah that's about it. Even the polls here around launch the generally result wasn't negative towards the game and again you claimed everyone hated the game and that just isn't true.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 18:40:35 GMT
a possible re telling of the Original Trilogy thru a new set of eyes with a more consistent story. Side note: I would change the Role of Cerberus within ME3 due to it is very bad writing. Adding New Factions and More Sleeper Agents with all factions is what I majorly press for the Re Telling of Mass Effect Original Trilogy for a good variety of Enemies NPC to go against. Black Talon: An Powerful Mercenary Organization that operate within System Alliance, Citadel and Terminus space. A believable amount of Firepower and Manpower to rival other mercenary factions, Citadel and System Alliance. Paragons Of Our Kind:: an Pro Alien xenophile Human organization is dedicated to deducing Humanity power within the Entire Milk Way galaxy while expanding all Aliens power thru out the galaxy. Well Bioware should get the animation and game mechanics down first before they work on the story. As much as I would love a more believable Cerberus storyline, I know that most likely it will not be happening. This is quite possibly the best direction, although i'd say a complete reboot of the OT through different eyes. I agree with this post from another board as well, spot on for why Andromeda will never make fans happy. Bolded is absolute BS. There are enough people on this website alone who have stated that they like the game, liked at least some of the characters, and liked the set pieces (i.e. universe) to illustrate that your claim of "no one liking" anything about the game is completely false. The game received an average rating from the critics, but was metabombed moments after the polls opened dropping the overall initial score. You obviously don't like the game... but it is obvious that not everyone shares your opinion. I just came back from months ago, and more than half of the people who were around when the game first released no longer post, I can tell by how many of the likes I used to get for one, now only most of the hardcore defenders of the game remain, the ones still convinced this game was a success, and make excuses like metabombs, "they just hated it because shepard was gone" and politics, you know, all the excuses in the encyclopedia, anything to distract from the fact it just wasn't a good game. Even then at that time when the board was full of outspoken individuals, this website didn't make up even 20% of the people who bought Andromeda and had an opinion lol. So......irrelevant. The last portion of your sentence is not true btw. I liked the multiplayer, and I liked Ryder. (scott), but yeah that's about it. So... you wind up contradicting yourself. In the previous post that I responded to, you said:
Now... you're accusing me of being untruthful by saying "You obvkously don't like the game..." and you're backing that up by saying you actually liked Ryder (Scott). So, which is it... are you "no one" or is Scott Ryder not a character in the game? Some people liked the game... that means that your statement that "no one liked it" is false. You can try to brush off the data as being irrelevant as much as you like. You cannot provide ANY data that will show that "no one likes" this game. Any data you call up, will show that a certain percentage of people (however low) did in fact like this game. Your argument fails because you tried to exaggerate just how bad the situation was by using universal absolute references like the term "no one." Stop making excuses for it.
What Bioware/EA know is not that "no one liked the game." What they know are the actual sales figures for the game overall (something that no one else knows). They also know how much money they lost or made on the sales of the game (something again that no one else knows). They'll make their decisions based on what they actually know... not on what you say they know.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 2, 2018 20:26:15 GMT
It'll never happen, but I'd love to see a pre-mankind Mass Effect, so we can see some of the unknown history of the galaxy before we opened our relay. Perhaps introducing a new race or two and see what fate is in store for them (likely bad considering they wouldn't exist at the time of ME1). Glyph finds at least 18 previously undocumented historical events during Citadel DLC, and it always made me wonder what terrible deeds were hidden by the archives. I want a sequel to Andromeda but I like this idea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 22:01:20 GMT
It'll never happen, but I'd love to see a pre-mankind Mass Effect, so we can see some of the unknown history of the galaxy before we opened our relay. Perhaps introducing a new race or two and see what fate is in store for them (likely bad considering they wouldn't exist at the time of ME1). Glyph finds at least 18 previously undocumented historical events during Citadel DLC, and it always made me wonder what terrible deeds were hidden by the archives. It has the same problem as any prequel idea... ultimately, it must lead to the state of affairs presented to us in ME1-3. This would take away any sense of being able to make decisions that would influence the outcome of such events. I would rather the franchise continue to move into the future and present us with events for which we don't know the outcomes and that we have a chance again to influence those outcomes. For me, that is a major part of the allure of Mass Effect.
I also suspect that at least some of those 18 undocumented events were actually presented to us in the OT... things like the existence of a Turian bomb on Tuchanka or that the Shadow Broker was actually a yahg. These things would have been secrets kept from the ME public, much like the secret of who was really behind the attack on the Citadel. There are some other Easter Eggs within the archives that could also be part of those 18 events... like the Ark of the Covenant appearance. Of course, they could still spin the statement to make something out of it.
I still think moving into the future is the better move for them though. I'm very intrigued by Casey's "we have secret teams working..." comment. At least something is happening... whatever it is, let's hope is good enough to quell the critics.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 9, 2018 1:25:07 GMT
Doing a sequel to Andromeda would be the best option, a prequel story would be a terrible idea. A first contact war game while intriguing wouldn't have any weight to it. We already know what happens, so there would be no sense of mystery of what could happen.
What is fucking point of doing a damn prequel before ME1? Especially set during the First Contact War. They already told that story as a comic book mini-series. It told the origins of both TIM and Saren. The novel prequel told Anderson's mission with Saren. I don't need to see a game, comic, or novel about Alec Ryder, Rix, Castis (Garrus' father), Kandros, Wrex, and Drack all fighting in the the First Contact War either it makes the ME universe small and uninteresting.
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 9, 2018 3:05:34 GMT
Would it be focused on one storyline and one character or spaceship crew or would each episode cover certain events in the Mass Effect universe like the Krogan Rebellion and First Contact war? Would slavery be a controversial topic? Do you think there are humans enslaved on the Batarian homeworld or would this anger the Alliance enough to send a fleet to Khar'Shan? Cerberus has done horrible things. There was also a Cerberus torture den for aliens on Trident.
Would a story featuring an idealistic character who wants to fight Cerberus and Batarian slavers be interesting?
There are still nation states on Earth in ME. Would it be interesting to see what humans on Earth think of the Alliance during 2150s-2183? Guess I was sleeping, but... how did this post get here? no its called moving on, what was done is done its about the future now not what was.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 10, 2018 2:10:47 GMT
I want Mass Effect noir. play a small time detective in Kadara port or if MW Omega dealing with the thugs running the place and various criminal enterprises throughout the port, some jaunts to other ports maybe ports never shown in the main story. Make the ports and towns much larger, as big as they should be if they support and house many thousands of sentients.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 13, 2018 18:21:08 GMT
Despite meandering into strange territory, the OP's main point is a good one.
I believe the answer is an obvious yes.
I don't care what galaxy, but the Milky Way already has established a much broader variety of wildlife and intelligent life than Andromeda and is closer to home (literally and figuratively), which is worthy of taking into consideration I think. Not saying they can't embellish Andromeda with late arriving Arks, surprise arrivals, stowaways...
Any sort of novel story can work. A 1313-type of game, about smuggling, would offer all sorts of story and gameplay opportunities. It doesn't have to be the game that saves the universe, every single time. BioWare could be well served by telling a smaller story again, even of it fits into a larger tale overall (ala the storytelling of DA2).
What I find curious in the comments is how mad some of you get with what others propose as a possibility... If it is well executed, I would take any Mass Effect game gladly, even buy it full price after people here have confirmed to me that it is indeed a good ol' ME romp through the galaxy, complete with we'll bang ok?, suit sweat, calibrations... Give me a Garrus game in the timeframe between Shep's death and SpaceJesus, as the Archangel. Day 1 purchase.
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