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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 21, 2018 16:07:46 GMT
As others have said, taking medication really depends upon what the cause of the problem is. The other side of my Dad's family are all bipolar. That means that they require medication just to be semi-normal. Some people are depressed without any manic phase and they need something just to survive. But if you are sad or grieving because of a life event, medication can (sometimes) retard any long term coping. My mother died three years ago. I still grieve. That will never stop, nor should it. But I, and my siblings, are learning to cope. The issue is even more complicated. Sometimes the doctors push the pills simply because it's the easiest solution for them. Sorry to hear about your loss. My mother died at the end of June so it's recent for me.
As for bipolar, I know enough people who have it that I know it can be very bad if not treated. I still think it's different from being "just" depressed. I do believe that we over-medicate on many, many things, and forever anti-depressants are one of those things. So, for example, exercise and diet are known things to help with mood. Same for heart disease, Same for the seizures I get (which are medicated, because I had three bad ones earlier this year).
It's all just my two cents, and I started this thread right after my mother died. I did have help. I had barely known a woman whose father had died a few months before my mother. Spent a lot of time on the phone with her. She was okay with me crying, she did a lot of listening rather than telling. I am grateful she told me to make sure I visited my mother as frequently as possible because I never knew when it might be over.
To me, those things worked. Trusting another human being that had a similar experience to my own. I didn't want to be numbed out of the pain. I wanted to be present, I want to remember the time I had with my mother. That's me, though. I can't speak to anyone else's needs or experience.
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Post by Terminator Force on Nov 22, 2018 18:19:27 GMT
Never.
Anti-depression don't work. My sisters friend took some after having a kid and said she walked on a bridge and thought about jumping off. Told doc about it and doc said to take less. The medical establishment are not there to make you well, it's to siphon as much money out of you as possible. It's a very profitable business for a reason.
So instead of being dependent on corruptible greedy establishments, learn to heal yourself. In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 23, 2018 0:15:09 GMT
I once was on anti depressants, the side effects were horrible, I got super nervous, restless and twitchy and the effects on my depression were rather disappointing . I then discovered sports, since then it is, in combination with spending time outdoors in nature, the most potent anti depressant I have ever tried by FAR. And the side effects are that you get healthier. Nowadays I do sports at the time the depression usually kicks in and makes me feel miserable. Can't feel miserable if I spend the time with doing 520lbs dead lifts and becoming an accomplished athlete. The rest I drown in computer games and good TV series. If you have depression first try to do an awesome hobby which you can use to convert negative energy into useful energy before you go the pharmacy route. Pharmacy is and should always be last resort.
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Post by Augustei on Nov 23, 2018 4:04:47 GMT
Yeah exercise is probably one of the best things for depression, even something as simple as taking time to go for a walk to the park or something, numerous studies show even being around nature, a bunch of flora is good for it. Better yet get a dog so you give yourself a reason to continue it.
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Post by Augustei on Nov 23, 2018 4:18:17 GMT
Never. Anti-depression don't work. My sisters friend took some after having a kid and said she walked on a bridge and thought about jumping off. Told doc about it and doc said to take less. The medical establishment are not there to make you well, it's to siphon as much money out of you as possible. It's a very profitable business for a reason. So instead of being dependent on corruptible greedy establishments, learn to heal yourself. In the age of information, ignorance is a choice. I remember watching something recently about the dangerous times ahead due to more and more bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics, and how its actually unlikely that scientists will make a breakthrough in time to stop it because all the research money is in antidepressants since its just way more profitable.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Nov 23, 2018 5:40:59 GMT
Never. Anti-depression don't work. My sisters friend took some after having a kid and said she walked on a bridge and thought about jumping off. Told doc about it and doc said to take less. The medical establishment are not there to make you well, it's to siphon as much money out of you as possible. It's a very profitable business for a reason. So instead of being dependent on corruptible greedy establishments, learn to heal yourself. In the age of information, ignorance is a choice. I remember watching something recently about the dangerous times ahead due to more and more bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics, and how its actually unlikely that scientists will make a breakthrough in time to stop it because all the research money is in antidepressants since its just way more profitable. I have a theory. That acne wasn't as widespread as today 200 years ago. By using too much anti-biotic for getting cold and other stupid reasons the whole species got weakened / bacteria got stronger. Therefore people have much more pimples on their faces and other areas... and they use more anti-bacterial medicine to get rid of them. ToLazyToGoogle.
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Post by Terminator Force on Nov 23, 2018 10:57:19 GMT
Never. Anti-depression don't work. My sisters friend took some after having a kid and said she walked on a bridge and thought about jumping off. Told doc about it and doc said to take less. The medical establishment are not there to make you well, it's to siphon as much money out of you as possible. It's a very profitable business for a reason. So instead of being dependent on corruptible greedy establishments, learn to heal yourself. In the age of information, ignorance is a choice. I remember watching something recently about the dangerous times ahead due to more and more bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics, and how its actually unlikely that scientists will make a breakthrough in time to stop it because all the research money is in antidepressants since its just way more profitable. That's what they say. Ever go buy polysporin? Now with three antibiotics. You're also eating anti-biotics when eating meat from animals pumped full of anti-biotics. Why are our animals pumped full of anit-biotics? Because they eat GMO foods that are also loaded with most pesticides/herbicides. Why are GMO foods around? Because Monsanto was a synthetic chemical warfare company and had all these chemicals left over after the wars, so instead of wasting them they were used to spray our crops. How do you sell more synthetic herbicides/pesticides? By making crops more resistant to chemicals via genetic modification (all by Monsanto, again).
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Post by Terminator Force on Nov 23, 2018 11:13:45 GMT
I remember watching something recently about the dangerous times ahead due to more and more bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics, and how its actually unlikely that scientists will make a breakthrough in time to stop it because all the research money is in antidepressants since its just way more profitable. I have a theory. That acne wasn't as widespread as today 200 years ago. By using too much anti-biotic for getting cold and other stupid reasons the whole species got weakened / bacteria got stronger. Therefore people have much more pimples on their faces and other areas... and they use more anti-bacterial medicine to get rid of them. ToLazyToGoogle. Can't narrow it to one thing when everything is stacked against us. ie. Don't think cancer was really a thing until the industrial age. But fear not, they say you can cure just about everything with fasting and keep very healthy with frequent distilled water fasting. Something I'm experimenting with myself. May seem hard to do, but start small with intermittent fasting, then work on one day and slowly try to do more days every now and then. Also distilled water is must for good health and makes fasting easier since body has less body cleaning to worry about during fasting. The more toxic you are, the more negative affects you feel during fasts, like a drug withdrawal. (PS - fasting is great for the skin from my experience). And research money does not go to the benefit of mankind, but the benefit of profit. Who do you think pays for today's science?
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Post by Melra on Nov 23, 2018 21:55:21 GMT
I wouldn't know, I've been offered the medication in the past, due to severe depression at one point, and I've refused. It was implied to me that the next time I had such problems, I would be forced to accept the medication, but so I've done my best to cope in other ways. I don't want to rely on any kind of medication to make it through the day, I have nothing against others using medication and do not think any less of them, however I will likely never go down that route myself.
Personally in my own case, I feel that if I ever fall even lower than I have been at my worst and would need stronger methods to get back up, it might simply be my time to go. It may be a grim way to look at things, but that is how I see it. I do not plan to waste years of my life for a second time, simply to get to a stage where life feels "tolerable" for yet a couple more years.
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Post by Terminator Force on Nov 23, 2018 23:53:33 GMT
Lots of people suffering from depression, wasn't aware how widespread epidemic this is until more recent.
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Post by opuspace on Nov 24, 2018 4:48:40 GMT
I'm sorry, dmc1001. It's hard losing family. I don't know if medication is for everyone and it seems better to avoid it if possible. Some side effects can linger long after discontinuing sertraline, like brief flashes of vertigo. And yet, there are others who need it to soften the worst of their state otherwise it will get much, much worse. Worst part of depression is the lack of motivation, the loss of energy to do anything.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Nov 24, 2018 16:51:37 GMT
Lots of people suffering from depression, wasn't aware how widespread epidemic this is until more recent. My whole life. Since I was 4 yo and somehow felt responsible for my parents constant fighting and divorce a year later. When I watched Fight Club, it blew my mind. "Our Great Depression is our lives."
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Nov 28, 2018 3:42:58 GMT
Honestly, I (in most cases) believe anti-depressents are analogous to slapping a band-aid on a gaping, bleeding wound.
They won't give you a support structure, they won't give you friends or family that are worth a damn, they won't take huge, stupid stressors away, they won't tell damaging idiots to go away, etc. etc.
I don't see how it'd be productive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 19:34:05 GMT
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Post by mattig89ch on Nov 30, 2018 14:21:29 GMT
Honestly, I (in most cases) believe anti-depressents are analogous to slapping a band-aid on a gaping, bleeding wound. They won't give you a support structure, they won't give you friends or family that are worth a damn, they won't take huge, stupid stressors away, they won't tell damaging idiots to go away, etc. etc. I don't see how it'd be productive. I think its more about helping you be in a state of mind, that allows you to develop those support structures. For most, they aren't meant to be permanent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 21:03:31 GMT
I once was on anti depressants, the side effects were horrible, I got super nervous, restless and twitchy and the effects on my depression were rather disappointing . I then discovered sports, since then it is, in combination with spending time outdoors in nature, the most potent anti depressant I have ever tried by FAR. And the side effects are that you get healthier. Nowadays I do sports at the time the depression usually kicks in and makes me feel miserable. Can't feel miserable if I spend the time with doing 520lbs dead lifts and becoming an accomplished athlete. The rest I drown in computer games and good TV series. If you have depression first try to do an awesome hobby which you can use to convert negative energy into useful energy before you go the pharmacy route. Pharmacy is and should always be last resort. I've just read that. Many people, when depressed, they can't focus on anything, not even on things they loved to do before. Many times, even when playing my favourite videogame, reading my favourite book or even doing my favourite workout, I can help but start mind-wandering and I just lose interest in things I used to love. Don't get me wrong, I am very glad that new hobbies and exercise works for you!
However, I refuse to take medication, I saw what it can do. I just try to cope with it.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Dec 3, 2018 21:43:29 GMT
I once was on anti depressants, the side effects were horrible, I got super nervous, restless and twitchy and the effects on my depression were rather disappointing . I then discovered sports, since then it is, in combination with spending time outdoors in nature, the most potent anti depressant I have ever tried by FAR. And the side effects are that you get healthier. Nowadays I do sports at the time the depression usually kicks in and makes me feel miserable. Can't feel miserable if I spend the time with doing 520lbs dead lifts and becoming an accomplished athlete. The rest I drown in computer games and good TV series. If you have depression first try to do an awesome hobby which you can use to convert negative energy into useful energy before you go the pharmacy route. Pharmacy is and should always be last resort. I've just read that. Many people, when depressed, they can't focus on anything, not even on things they loved to do before. Many times, even when playing my favourite videogame, reading my favourite book or even doing my favourite workout, I can help but start mind-wandering and I just lose interest in things I used to love. Don't get me wrong, I am very glad that new hobbies and exercise works for you! However, I refuse to take medication, I saw what it can do. I just try to cope with it.
I've been clinically depressed since age 16, I know VERY well what its like to be depressed. The realization that the world consist of 60% pure suckage, 30% evilness and 10% fun has not evaded me. But if you are so depressed you cannot even drag yourself to do the simplest things you need to be hospitalized since nothing works for people like that anymore but professional people taking care of you and giving you proper medical treatment. If you find yourself to be severely depressed but not at the final stage which I just mentioned and you haven't given up yourself completely you absolutely CAN pull yourself together and try new things. What makes me always chuckle is people saying they cannot find the energy to try new stuff like sports hiking, whatever , yet they somehow always seem to find the energy and determination to dress properly, get into the car and drive to the doctor, sit in a waiting room, tell a random person their deepest feelings, throw their hard earned cash at them, get back in the car, drive home, go to work, make more money so they can pay their docs. But they cannot, for example, visit a gym for one hour and try out stuff because...reasons. Problem is a lot of people who are depressed don't even want to feel better because the laziness and slothfulness you can excuse with depressions - which they totally have- is devilishly convenient. I am not saying that all people who are depressed and cannot find the energy to do stuff to get better are lazy bums, but a lot of people are. And those who are truly so down they cannot do anything anymore need to be hospitalized. And before anyone accuses me of talking out of me arse I was once at the point to consider suicide or drink myself to death eventually, and I used depression as an excuse for not getting up and doing new stuff when in reality i was simply lazy and boring but I still managed to pull myself together to try out stuff. And I found a couple of things that help me enough so I can lead a relatively normal, joyful life, despite not really being ''cured''. So in the end, unless you hit absolute rock bottom final stage depression you CAN help yourself and you CAN get better and you can DEFINITELY find the energy to do that. And without help of anyone but yourself. *edit* Oh reading my post again it comes across WAY more harshly than I intended to, sorry if anyone feels offended. Also this was not aimed at you Swooping, its simply meant as a general response to the broad area of depression and trying to talk about my personal experiences- just to make that clear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 23:11:06 GMT
I've just read that. Many people, when depressed, they can't focus on anything, not even on things they loved to do before. Many times, even when playing my favourite videogame, reading my favourite book or even doing my favourite workout, I can help but start mind-wandering and I just lose interest in things I used to love. Don't get me wrong, I am very glad that new hobbies and exercise works for you! However, I refuse to take medication, I saw what it can do. I just try to cope with it.
I've been clinically depressed since age 16, I know VERY well what its like to be depressed. The realization that the world consist of 60% pure suckage, 30% evilness and 10% fun has not evaded me. But if you are so depressed you cannot even drag yourself to do the simplest things you need to be hospitalized since nothing works for people like that anymore but professional people taking care of you and giving you proper medical treatment. If you find yourself to be severely depressed but not at the final stage which I just mentioned and you haven't given up yourself completely you absolutely CAN pull yourself together and try new things. What makes me always chuckle is people saying they cannot find the energy to try new stuff like sports hiking, whatever , yet they somehow always seem to find the energy and determination to dress properly, get into the car and drive to the doctor, sit in a waiting room, tell a random person their deepest feelings, throw their hard earned cash at them, get back in the car, drive home, go to work, make more money so they can pay their docs. But they cannot, for example, visit a gym for one hour and try out stuff because...reasons. Problem is a lot of people who are depressed don't even want to feel better because the laziness and slothfulness you can excuse with depressions - which they totally have- is devilishly convenient. I am not saying that all people who are depressed and cannot find the energy to do stuff to get better are lazy bums, but a lot of people are. And those who are truly so down they cannot do anything anymore need to be hospitalized. And before anyone accuses me of talking out of me arse I was once at the point to consider suicide or drink myself to death eventually, and I used depression as an excuse for not getting up and doing new stuff when in reality i was simply lazy and boring but I still managed to pull myself together to try out stuff. And I found a couple of things that help me enough so I can lead a relatively normal, joyful life, despite not really being ''cured''. So in the end, unless you hit absolute rock bottom final stage depression you CAN help yourself and you CAN get better and you can DEFINITELY find the energy to do that. And without help of anyone but yourself. *edit* Oh reading my post again it comes across WAY more harshly than I intended to, sorry if anyone feels offended. Also this was not aimed at you Swooping, its simply meant as a general response to the broad area of depression and trying to talk about my personal experiences- just to make that clear. I am a little bit offended, or I was , until I read you edit 😉 But I totally get what you are saying. People who blame their laziness for their lack of energy or will to do things.
I surely expressed myself wrong. What I’ve explained about not focusing and not finding the energy for doing stuff doesn’t happens all the time, just when my depression REALLY kicks in. For most of the part, I am “stable” (not good but not utterly depressed), and sometimes I get really low, and that’s when I cannot do almost anything. practically. I don’t go to the doc anymore, two jobs that barely pay the bills don't allow me to do it.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 4, 2018 7:42:56 GMT
If you find yourself to be severely depressed but not at the final stage which I just mentioned and you haven't given up yourself completely you absolutely CAN pull yourself together and try new things. What makes me always chuckle is people saying they cannot find the energy to try new stuff like sports hiking, whatever , yet they somehow always seem to find the energy and determination to dress properly, get into the car and drive to the doctor, sit in a waiting room, tell a random person their deepest feelings, throw their hard earned cash at them, get back in the car, drive home, go to work, make more money so they can pay their docs. Not necessarily - when I'm actually in the hole I never make it to a doctor or psychologist's office. I can usually manage the supermarket around the corner if I go after eleven when nobody is there and use the automatic check-out. And if not, fortunately we live in the age of internet food-ordering so I do not starve. Dressing properly is really ... not a thing for me when I am like that. Mostly I just accept that I am going to spend the day/week/month mostly in pyjamas. Needless to say the gym is not really an option in that state. (This is also why I have never managed to hold down a job for more than year or two at a time.)
I have never got to the point of being hospitalised, though - I figure as long as I can feed myself I am better off waiting it out, given the experiences relatives have had in public mental health facilities. And luckily I have not actually been in the hole for a couple of years now!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 6:15:11 GMT
For me antidepressants have been easing the severity and lessing the occurrence of episodes of despair. I've been feeling better since I've been on them, but at the sametime I've been relying on a friend, exercising, and going to counseling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 6:45:24 GMT
Some antidepressants can completely change a person's personality for the worse. I guess some meds work for some people, while the same meds don't work for others. Along with crazy side effects like rapid mood changes and going from flat to being really high and giddy to breaking down in tears to raging and back to being tearful and yelping like a hyena, and leveling off again only to fall off another emotional cliff, to waking up an entire psych unit in the middle of the night, because some guy aggravated you while in the middle of a meltdown.
Some of this stuff is downright dangerous if not used properly, and if it's not compatible with the patient who's using the meds.
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Post by mattig89ch on Dec 15, 2018 14:51:46 GMT
Personally, I'd recommend trying the herbal stuff first. Only if that doesn't work, go prescription.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 16, 2018 1:04:44 GMT
Personally, I'd recommend trying the herbal stuff first. Only if that doesn't work, go prescription. It's important to note that St John's Wort is an SSRI, which works by the same process as the manufactured ones. Therefore, you must never take both at the same time. (Same applies to taking it with certain other medications, like the contraceptive pill, warfarin, and many drugs used to control migraines.) It's also a lot more difficult to know what dose you're taking when you use a herb rather than a tablet, since the amount of actual St John's Wort you get can vary wildly depending on the brand and preparations.
That said, there's nothing wrong with trying St John's Wort as long as you do it safely. It seems to work about as well for mild to moderate depression as any other SSRI.
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Post by mousestalker on Dec 16, 2018 1:14:52 GMT
The trick with St. John's Wort is making sure you're actually getting it. There's an ongoing problem in the herbal supplement business with companies actively substituting cheaper plant materials for the product on the label.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by Sweet FA on Dec 16, 2018 7:10:54 GMT
Personally I try and create an arsenal of non-chemical anti-depressant's stored away for that rainy day when the dark shadow falls upon me. Thing's that can lift you and bring you back, it's not one hundred percent effective all the time but it can sometimes help, I suppose you could call it a little lifeboat of positivity. I've always found it helpful to remember that thing's do pass and it's just a question of holding on, even though sometimes that can be bloody hard. BTW the Gollum/Smeagol conflict is sometimes a little bit too close for comfort for me. This is just a small selection from my list of "anti-depressants":
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