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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jul 30, 2018 17:11:54 GMT
Why so many people believe Alistair was ignorant about the need of a GW to destroy an AD at the Landsmeet?At Ostagar he reveals in great detail that he knows only a GW can kill it ,he even goes as far as telling it needs to be killed in close combat.Lol that's so stupid for people to justify him for ignorance when he just didn't know the details of the effects of Killing it.
The reason I'm saying this is because it's common knowledge the fact that only GW can kill an AD,due to Dumat continuos resurrections during the first blight.
So my conclusion is him not wanting Loghain has nothing to do with the Archdemon.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jul 30, 2018 18:37:58 GMT
Why so many people believe Alistair was ignorant about the need of a GW to destroy an AD at the Landsmeet?At Ostagar he reveals in great detail that he knows only a GW can kill it ,he even goes as far as telling it needs to be killed in close combat.Lol that's so stupid for people to justify him for ignorance when he just didn't know the details of the effects of Killing it. The reason I'm saying this is because it's common knowledge the fact that only GW can kill an AD,due to Dumat continuos resurrections during the first blight. So my conclusion is him not wanting Loghain has nothing to do with the Archdemon. He clearly didn't know that the Warden who does it dies, and that is a fact worth considering when you're choosing whether or not you want one more Warden around. Though I doubt it would have changed Alistair's mind. |
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Post by copper on Jul 30, 2018 19:05:21 GMT
Why so many people believe Alistair was ignorant about the need of a GW to destroy an AD at the Landsmeet?At Ostagar he reveals in great detail that he knows only a GW can kill it ,he even goes as far as telling it needs to be killed in close combat.Lol that's so stupid for people to justify him for ignorance when he just didn't know the details of the effects of Killing it. The reason I'm saying this is because it's common knowledge the fact that only GW can kill an AD,due to Dumat continuos resurrections during the first blight. So my conclusion is him not wanting Loghain has nothing to do with the Archdemon. He clearly didn't know that the Warden who does it dies, and that is a fact worth considering when you're choosing whether or not you want one more Warden around. Though I doubt it would have changed Alistair's mind. You don't think so? Chucking Loghain at the archdemon could mean that both Alistair and his friend or lover can survive without giving Morrigan what she wants. I know Alistair is very emotional about Loghain, but I'd like to think he'd have some tactical sense if he knew all the facts about what killing the archdemon actually entails. |
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Post by mousestalker on Jul 30, 2018 19:17:29 GMT
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Post by Iddy on Jul 30, 2018 19:42:10 GMT
All I know is that he wasn't ignorant after my Cousland got through with him. She let Anora execute him?  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 30, 2018 20:46:38 GMT
He clearly didn't know that the Warden who does it dies, and that is a fact worth considering when you're choosing whether or not you want one more Warden around. Though I doubt it would have changed Alistair's mind. You don't think so? Chucking Loghain at the archdemon could mean that both Alistair and his friend or lover can survive without giving Morrigan what she wants. I know Alistair is very emotional about Loghain, but I'd like to think he'd have some tactical sense if he knew all the facts about what killing the archdemon actually entails. I actually think he would be against Loghain joining even more. He already talks about how Loghain doesn't deserve the honor of being a Grey Warden, so he would be absolutely opposed to Loghain being one of the Grey Wardens remembered for all time while those Grey Wardens he betrayed are forgotten. |
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Post by copper on Jul 30, 2018 21:20:33 GMT
You don't think so? Chucking Loghain at the archdemon could mean that both Alistair and his friend or lover can survive without giving Morrigan what she wants. I know Alistair is very emotional about Loghain, but I'd like to think he'd have some tactical sense if he knew all the facts about what killing the archdemon actually entails. I actually think he would be against Loghain joining even more. He already talks about how Loghain doesn't deserve the honor of being a Grey Warden, so he would be absolutely opposed to Loghain being one of the Grey Wardens remembered for all time while those Grey Wardens he betrayed are forgotten. Interesting and certainly possible. I'm curious to what Alistair would want to do in this scenario, and whether the end result of Loghain being dead would still work for him here. |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 30, 2018 22:06:37 GMT
The joining might kill Loghain ANYWAY, so it seems silly to get upset about offering Loghain what is essentially a death sentence either way.
But I don't fucking trust the rat-bastard after all the shit he did, and I have Alistair duel him for an auto-execution.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 31, 2018 2:22:50 GMT
I don't think Alistair was ignorant since he had spent time with Duncan and other Wardens. It's just that Duncan never got the chance to tell him why specifically a Warden was needed to kill an AD.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 31, 2018 7:51:16 GMT
I don't think Alistair was ignorant since he had spent time with Duncan and other Wardens. It's just that Duncan never got the chance to tell him why specifically a Warden was needed to kill an AD. Yeah, Alistair seems to have either been told or else figured out that the same darkspawn taint that grants Wardens the ability to sense darkspawn, is what makes them the only ones who could kill the Archdemon without it resurrecting in another body. But it seems that he was still in the dark about what actually happens to the Warden that does slay the Archdemon.
Could be only those of senior rank are entrusted with that information, much like the information about the existence of Corypheus. According to Riordan, normally only the most Senior Wardens are called upon to deliver the final blow, so only they might be made aware of the fatal consequences. With how few Wardens were present in Ferelden, it became necessary for Riordan to make an exception and let us in on the secret.
That might also explain why beyond Weisshaupt (who'd obviously have that knowledge), we don't get any signs that other Wardens are suspicious how the Hero of Ferelden might have "miraculously" survived the Archdemon? You'd think if most Wardens knew killing the Archdemon was fatal, they'd be demanding answers?
(Of course, this is only speculation. Damn the Wardens for being so insufferably vague and secretive!)
Otherwise, could be that Wardens are aware of the truth and that's why some question whether there was even really a Blight. How else could the Warden have survived the Archdemon when that's meant to be fatal, unless it wasn't a true Archdemon at all. With Corypheus' false Archdemon in DAI, that might further give some Wardens cause to doubt whether it was really Urthemiel during the Fifth Blight?
(We know it was, but they don't. No Warden outside Ferelden saw it and unless they sensed it wake or saw the body, how could they ever be sure?)
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Post by obbie1984 on Aug 3, 2018 3:20:49 GMT
Sorry if this is slightly off topic. I actually decided to tell Morrigan go screw herself for the first time and I had my Warden die fighting the arch demon and have Alistair survive to be king with Anora. But I am told that you can still do Awakening DLC even if your Warden is dead? How does this even work? Do they reference or retcon this in anyway? Does it matter a whole lot for DA2? Its pretty silly if you can still do the DLC if he's dead.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 3, 2018 6:24:59 GMT
Sorry if this is slightly off topic. I actually decided to tell Morrigan go screw herself for the first time and I had my Warden die fighting the arch demon and have Alistair survive to be king with Anora. But I am told that you can still do Awakening DLC even if your Warden is dead? How does this even work? Do they reference or retcon this in anyway? Does it matter a whole lot for DA2? Its pretty silly if you can still do the DLC if he's dead.
If your Warden dies in DAO and you carryover your pt into DAA you play as a Warden from Orlais.
Really? I'd always heard that the game retconned your decision if you did that, and you only played as the Orlesian Warden if you didn't import at all. |
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 3, 2018 6:43:02 GMT
You don't think so? Chucking Loghain at the archdemon could mean that both Alistair and his friend or lover can survive without giving Morrigan what she wants. I know Alistair is very emotional about Loghain, but I'd like to think he'd have some tactical sense if he knew all the facts about what killing the archdemon actually entails. I actually think he would be against Loghain joining even more. He already talks about how Loghain doesn't deserve the honor of being a Grey Warden, so he would be absolutely opposed to Loghain being one of the Grey Wardens remembered for all time while those Grey Wardens he betrayed are forgotten. I don't think so. I've talked to Alistair at the foot of the throne in one playthrough where Loghain sacrifices himself, and he seemed to be slightly more okay with my decision to Join Loghain due to my decision to kill him off later. He wasn't completely okay with it: I could still sense a little bit of anger in his voice. But I think I remember him having more trouble hiding that anger when I spoke to him in playthroughs where Loghain was still alive. But then, I might have been imagining things. Or the difference I observed might be because in playthroughs where Loghain doesn't die, he winds up standing in Alistair's field of vision taunting Alistair with his non-deadness. |
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Post by Sifr on Aug 3, 2018 12:44:15 GMT
Since there's been some confusion, normally if you try to import a dead Warden into Awakening, the game ignores the US and the Warden is miraculously alive again. If you wanted to play as the Orlesian Warden, you're forced to play with a blank worldstate that doesn't bring any Origins decisions into Awakening.
But there is a way around this.
To quickly summarise the video;
It is possible to import an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden save into Awakening and still play as the Orlesian Warden.
However, you will need to use the console to switch your character background flags from the HoF to the Orlesian Warden. Unfortunately, you'll stuck looking like your dead HoF and there's no way to change your appearance. Also using the console will mean you will lose all the items you brought over from Origins.
On the plus side, you can import this worldstate with the Ultimate Sacrifice and the Orlesian Warden into DA2.
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Post by Curious Crow on Aug 3, 2018 16:10:25 GMT
Since there's been some confusion, normally if you try to import a dead Warden into Awakening, the game ignores the US and the Warden is miraculously alive again. If you wanted to play as the Orlesian Warden, you're forced to play with a blank worldstate that doesn't bring any Origins decisions into Awakening.
But there is a way around this.
To quickly summarise the video;
It is possible to import an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden save into Awakening and still play as the Orlesian Warden.
However, you will need to use the console to switch your character background flags from the HoF to the Orlesian Warden. Unfortunately, you'll stuck looking like your dead HoF and there's no way to change your appearance. Also using the console will mean you will lose all the items you brought over from Origins.
On the plus side, you can import this worldstate with the Ultimate Sacrifice and the Orlesian Warden into DA2.
You can change the wardens appearance if you are willing to go a bit further. You need this mod (Change your hero's face) www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/1734/So you do the whole bit in the video with the console. Then you save the game and either create a new character with the same race and gender with the look you want, or use an existing one if you want to. You need to make the race and gender match unless you want stretchy fingers. Then open the .exe from the mod and switch the faces and you've got a new face for the Orlesian. You can also switch the orlesians wardens race and gender, but it will confuse the game when playing DA2. |
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Post by obbie1984 on Aug 3, 2018 22:37:52 GMT
I play on 360 and I'm not willing to go above and beyond to play an Orlesian Warden in DAA if my Warden is dead. If it retcons and says my Warden is alive, that would kill the continuity for me and I don't want that. I would rather just skip it and go straight to DA2. I am actually looking forward to playing default female Hawke as a sheild/sword warrior as I have never done that in DA2. That and I can play either my evil dwarf or Warden noble who marries Anora as those are also things I've never done.
I'm not too bothered to replay Awakening. I also wonder how Witch Hunt would work in this case as well.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 4, 2018 0:01:05 GMT
Really? I'd always heard that the game retconned your decision if you did that, and you only played as the Orlesian Warden if you didn't import at all. Oh Sorry Riversdales- I think your correct. I guess when the warden dies in DAO the game doesn't register that for DAA? ok that is weird then. And...I 've been no help to the other poster then.  Well, don't worry too much. It's probably been years. It has been that long since I've touched Origins. |
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Post by melbella on Aug 4, 2018 1:44:06 GMT
I play on 360 and I'm not willing to go above and beyond to play an Orlesian Warden in DAA if my Warden is dead. If it retcons and says my Warden is alive, that would kill the continuity for me and I don't want that. I would rather just skip it and go straight to DA2. I am actually looking forward to playing default female Hawke as a sheild/sword warrior as I have never done that in DA2. That and I can play either my evil dwarf or Warden noble who marries Anora as those are also things I've never done. I'm not too bothered to replay Awakening. I also wonder how Witch Hunt would work in this case as well.
When I played as the Orlesian Warden (I really recommend doing it at least once - some of the reactions and dialogues are unique) I didn't feel any need to do Witch Hunt. I actually had one HoF Warden who got to the end of WH and wondered, "Why am I even here?" The dlc is pretty pointless unless your DAO Warden had a good relationship and/or romance with Morrigan.
I then had to decide which version to import into DA2. I think I went with my DAA save instead of DAO, just so Nathaniel's quest would be available. My US Warden that game was a Dalish elf, just like the default world state, so it fit well enough.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 4, 2018 14:12:31 GMT
Someone mentioned Alistair not knowing about a Warden having to be the one needed for the killing blow against the Archdemon until Riordan tells him. Now look at Loghain. How different would the game have been if he knew the reason why Wardens are needed?
I do understand him being upset about letting Loghain become a Grey Warden, but that's as far as it should've gotten. He needs to understand that the main problem is dealing with the darkspawn.
I do like the idea of having to reject the ritual so Loghain can take the final blow leaving Alistair and the Warden to live.
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Post by obbie1984 on Aug 5, 2018 21:30:57 GMT
I play on 360 and I'm not willing to go above and beyond to play an Orlesian Warden in DAA if my Warden is dead. If it retcons and says my Warden is alive, that would kill the continuity for me and I don't want that. I would rather just skip it and go straight to DA2. I am actually looking forward to playing default female Hawke as a sheild/sword warrior as I have never done that in DA2. That and I can play either my evil dwarf or Warden noble who marries Anora as those are also things I've never done. I'm not too bothered to replay Awakening. I also wonder how Witch Hunt would work in this case as well.
When I played as the Orlesian Warden (I really recommend doing it at least once - some of the reactions and dialogues are unique) I didn't feel any need to do Witch Hunt. I actually had one HoF Warden who got to the end of WH and wondered, "Why am I even here?" The dlc is pretty pointless unless your DAO Warden had a good relationship and/or romance with Morrigan.
I then had to decide which version to import into DA2. I think I went with my DAA save instead of DAO, just so Nathaniel's quest would be available. My US Warden that game was a Dalish elf, just like the default world state, so it fit well enough.
Hmm ok, then maybe I will give it a chance then. As far as Witch Hunt goes, what about really dbag and petty Wardens? A Warden that feels betrayed and wants to kill Morrigan because he/she hated her? I mean the choices are there. |
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Post by melbella on Aug 6, 2018 3:11:54 GMT
Well, perhaps I should have said, it's pointless unless the Warden has strong feelings toward Morrigan, good or bad.  My dwarf who wondered why she was even there was pretty 'meh' towards her, and my Orlesian Warden didn't know her at all so had no reason to go looking for her. |
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Post by Norstaera on Aug 9, 2018 12:50:57 GMT
I don't think that Awakening retcons Origins. Your Orlesian Warden knows nothing of the people or places your US Warden visited and therefore none of those codex entries are uncovered (I just checked an old Orlesian pt I had). I kind of understand that because you are playing a fresh character, but on the other hand you're not playing a new world-state and it would be nice if there was a reference somewhere - artists were submitting ideas to the crown for a statue commemorating Firstname Lastname, the Hero of Ferelden. Anyway, it is what it is.
There are little things that reflect your decisions from Origins: is it Anora or Alistair who greets you in the beginning, do the dwarf brothers say they were sent by Bhelen or Harrowmont. I don't recall if there are more or if Wynne says anything at all, or Sigrun if the HoF was a dwarf.
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Post by Kei on Aug 28, 2018 14:43:04 GMT
I don't think Alistair was ignorant since he had spent time with Duncan and other Wardens. It's just that Duncan never got the chance to tell him why specifically a Warden was needed to kill an AD. You'd think if most Wardens knew killing the Archdemon was fatal, they'd be demanding answers?
With DA I've learned not to go too much in depth with inexplicable lore generated by writing laziness. The Grey wardens are the most notable example,they seem to no care about anything at all that is blight related. 1)Why Fiona got cured? 2)Why Red lyrium popped up? 3)A warden that kills an archdemon and doesn't die?! 4)What are disciples? They don't care to investigate anything. |
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Post by Kei on Aug 28, 2018 15:02:35 GMT
I play on 360 and I'm not willing to go above and beyond to play an Orlesian Warden in DAA if my Warden is dead. If it retcons and says my Warden is alive, that would kill the continuity for me and I don't want that. I would rather just skip it and go straight to DA2. I am actually looking forward to playing default female Hawke as a sheild/sword warrior as I have never done that in DA2. That and I can play either my evil dwarf or Warden noble who marries Anora as those are also things I've never done. I'm not too bothered to replay Awakening. I also wonder how Witch Hunt would work in this case as well.
When I played as the Orlesian Warden (I really recommend doing it at least once - some of the reactions and dialogues are unique) I didn't feel any need to do Witch Hunt. I actually had one HoF Warden who got to the end of WH and wondered, "Why am I even here?" The dlc is pretty pointless unless your DAO Warden had a good relationship and/or romance with Morrigan.
I then had to decide which version to import into DA2. I think I went with my DAA save instead of DAO, just so Nathaniel's quest would be available. My US Warden that game was a Dalish elf, just like the default world state, so it fit well enough.
Beside all that WH didn't make any sense to me also because the plotline is self contradictory,with morrigan finding somehow a book that was a specific key to a specific mirror which she had no way to know that after thosuand of years passed to a random Dalish clan from those of Arlathan who made it. I mean there is a codex in WH that says the eluvians in the Dragon bones lands were borught there by the mages of Tevinter that wanted to see if the dragons could empower them,so that mirror wasn't created in that place it was Tevinter who brought it there.....so how the heck she knew the mirror was there and that a random dalish clan had it's key? |
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 29, 2018 1:26:20 GMT
2)Why Red lyrium popped up? I'll grant that they really ought to have looked into the other three, but how were they to know this one was Blight-related? |
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My dwarf who wondered why she was even there was pretty 'meh' towards her, and my Orlesian Warden didn't know her at all so had no reason to go looking for her.
