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Post by lilyonce on Aug 1, 2018 19:18:27 GMT
How, the Circles are very definition of an internment/concentration camp It has the exact model of a monastery, and no surprise its under the umbrella of a religious group. Self governed, mandatory cloister and celibacy, little or no ownership of personal property, formed the earliest centers of education and learning. Mages aren't political enemies or prisoners either, as "internment camps" suggest. Perhaps most importantly, no one is born a mage. It isn't comparable to minorities like the Japanese or Jewish. Magic manifests in those of exceptional imagination and will, and only in those people, and the mages chose their exile to practice it. They negotiated the circles. The Circle does not exist for political reasons no matter what anyone hellbent on some oppressor-oppressed victim dichotomy says. It's incredibly misleading to label it an internment camp. It eschews a more worthy comparison for one made up to fuel some overinflated sense of righteousness. as history if full of authority who believes killing civilians is just. And they've done it the face of religious, domestic or international law or all three. Again, there is no authority that approves of indiscriminate killing. So all human evil is justified under the tag "human nature"? Okay. We know Anders killed innocent people so it would've been perfectly just for the people of Kirkwall to overrun the Gallows, kill every mage present in tit for tat revenge? That's human nature too. And that's Meredith's justification btw. You can't slam her either anymore. Only this part is true of every mage, and it's defensible, and on grounds other than "it is what it is", I'll add. The rest... We may not like it but it's the middle ages. Just about every criminal or as suspected is chained in a dungeon- even the templars when they break the rules. And this certainly doesn't happen to every mage or even most. That's not true in multiples cases we actually get to see. And even the day after their Harrowing the Warden had the opportunity to leave the Circle permanently. Fit the criteria and you can leave. And this just isn't true. This ideology is murderous. Under this framework you dismiss any shred of intellectual humility, divide the world up into oppressor and oppressed, and let the chips fall where they may. It doesn't matter who dies so long as some hypothetical utopia is achieved. I really hope the mages are on the receiving end of this when we get to Tevinter. May they be shown no mercy, not one of them.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 1, 2018 20:23:32 GMT
lilyonce To live in a monastery and the celibacy is mostly a choice. Voluntary I just say. For the Templars, perhaps, but in the Circle, they're also victims – the Circle is their prison too. So: they try to entertain themselves – with abuse of power. And the system (the Chantry) allows it – supports it. And nothing justifies Meredith.
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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 20:44:51 GMT
And nothing justifies Meredith. All justifies Meredith, a righteous hero is always justified. This is the difference. Hero, in this case tragic hero. Monster, abomination, however you wanna call it.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 1, 2018 20:48:36 GMT
She's just a criminal "abomination". A beautiful, tragic one. Her beauty does not justify her.
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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 20:52:20 GMT
She's just a criminal "abomination". A beautiful, tragic one. Her beauty does not justify her. This doesn't have to do with beauty but anyway by that logic Orsino is the same or worst than Meredith.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 1, 2018 20:53:14 GMT
She's just a criminal "abomination". A beautiful, tragic one. Her beauty does not justify her. This doesn't have to do with beauty but anyway by that logic Orsino is the same or worst than Meredith. Not. Nor even similar. But tragical.
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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 20:54:03 GMT
This doesn't have to do with beauty but anyway by that logic Orsino is the same or worst than Meredith. Not. Nor even similar. Yes.
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Post by lilyonce on Aug 2, 2018 0:25:32 GMT
My response would be no different if I hadn't quoted you. Cutting down your post keeps mine neat, organized, and ensures I address every point you make. And killing innocents is always indiscriminate killing. My point hasn't changed. Anyway, if you want to continue start a new thread or PM me so we don't hijack this one.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 2, 2018 0:36:20 GMT
My response would be no different if I hadn't quoted you. Cutting down your post keeps mine neat, organized, and ensures I address every point you make. And killing innocents is always indiscriminate killing. My point hasn't changed. Anyway, if you want to continue start a new thread or PM me so we don't hijack this one. Yes, your "response" wouldn't be different, only it would be clear: it's not even a response...It's a very popular and unethical tactic for journalists and politicians.
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Post by lilyonce on Aug 2, 2018 1:12:06 GMT
Yes, your "response" wouldn't be different, only it would be clear: it's not even a response Good thing I'm neither.
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Post by melbella on Aug 2, 2018 1:14:25 GMT
May they be shown no mercy, not one of them. I think this is all the "response" that is needed to make the point very clear. Regardless of what they may do or not do, all mages are guilty and deserve to be punished. Simply for being mages.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 2, 2018 1:19:55 GMT
May they be shown no mercy, not one of them. I think this is all the "response" that is needed to make the point very clear. Regardless of what they may do or not do, all mages are guilty and deserve to be punished. Simply for being mages.
Yet when the super Pro-Mage people say the exact same thing about the other side, you are in full support of that rhetoric. If the abuses of a few are enough to condemn the whole, then that logic swings both ways.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 2, 2018 1:22:26 GMT
I think this is all the "response" that is needed to make the point very clear. Regardless of what they may do or not do, all mages are guilty and deserve to be punished. Simply for being mages.
Yet when the super Pro-Mage people say the exact same thing about the other side, you are in full support of that rhetoric. If the abuses of a few are enough to condemn the whole, then that logic swings both ways. Very well said Hanko.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 2, 2018 1:22:38 GMT
I think this is all the "response" that is needed to make the point very clear. Regardless of what they may do or not do, all mages are guilty and deserve to be punished. Simply for being mages.
Yet when the super Pro-Mage people say the exact same thing about the other side, you are in full support of that rhetoric. If the abuses of a few are enough to condemn the whole, then that logic swings both ways. I prefer pro-freedom. And I even know my tools. I don't condemn the "Templars" as people, I condemn the Templar Order. And the Chantry. And the system, what is unhealthy for both the Mages and the Templars. And until the system's working, I will support the sabotage. For the Mages and for the Templars (even if they can't realize this is for them as well). There are no "sides" – only the people and the system. So: when I speak about the Templars, I speak about a system, not the people. When I speak about the "Mages" I speak about the people, because they're not an order... This is the reason for my "double standard".
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Post by melbella on Aug 2, 2018 1:35:13 GMT
I think this is all the "response" that is needed to make the point very clear. Regardless of what they may do or not do, all mages are guilty and deserve to be punished. Simply for being mages.
Yet when the super Pro-Mage people say the exact same thing about the other side, you are in full support of that rhetoric. If the abuses of a few are enough to condemn the whole, then that logic swings both ways.
Please point out where "pro-mage people" have said all "the other side" (whoever that is) should be shown no mercy, and then please point out where I agreed with that. No, a "like" on a post doesn't count.
Templars should be not punished for being Templars, but they should be punished for abusing their positions and authority. Anyone should. But NO ONE should be "shown no mercy" simply for being who they are.
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Post by lilyonce on Aug 2, 2018 2:50:37 GMT
As if the last 5 pages haven't been spent arguing exactly that. In Tevinter the mages are, to borrow the language dustfyelf and others, oppressors, killers, rapists, sadists, jailers, and slavers holding entirely unjustified power. Anyone who supports them supports them as such, no way around it, and the oppressed are perfectly justified in killing them, priests, children, bystanders, or anyone else in the name of freedom. No concern, no mercy was shown by Anders to his victims and commenters find what he did perfectly acceptable. They certainly don't condemn him for it. If what he did was justified, the same is true in Tevinter when the revolution comes.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 2, 2018 2:56:44 GMT
As if the last 5 pages haven't been spent arguing exactly that. In Tevinter the mages are, to borrow the language dustfyelf and others, oppressors, killers, rapists, sadists, jailers, and slavers holding entirely unjustified power. Anyone who supports them supports them as such, no way around it, and the oppressed are perfectly justified in intentionally killing them, priests, children, bystanders, or anyone else in the name of freedom. No concern, no mercy was shown by Anders to his victims and commenters find what he did perfectly acceptable. They certainly don't condemn him for it. If what he did was justified, the same is true in Tevinter when the revolution comes. As I said: I would support such a revolution even in Tevinter, Of course, I would! It's not even a question. Not against the "mages". Against the slaveholders – and against who commit human sacrifice and made people puppet. And against the system what allowed it – even if just unspoken. Did you know, in Tevinter mage slaves also exist? And mage commoners, servants? As Varania. Tevinter is a Magocracy, but not a "Mage Eden". But what do you want to say with it?
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Post by lilyonce on Aug 2, 2018 3:13:01 GMT
All Chantry priests are perpetrators of oppression because they're part of the system, so it's said. Well, if that's true it's just as true of the mages in Tevinter whom are all part of, benefit from, support and so perpetrate the system- even the slaves because Calpernia and Varania both do and likely many more were they came from. They are collectively guilty and can be targeted as such, as Anders targeted the dozens of priests in Kirkwall's Chantry.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 2, 2018 3:31:26 GMT
All Chantry priests are perpetrators of oppression because they're part of the system, so it's said. Well, if that's true, it's just as true of the mages in Tevinter whom are all part of, benefit from, support and so perpetrate the system. They are collectively guilty and can targeted as such, as Anders targeted the dozens of priests in Kirkwall's Chantry. No. The chantry sisters aren't born as sisters, and able to leave the Chantry. A Mage can't just "leave" s/he's a mage. They haven't a choice. The "mages" aren't a part of the system. A mage slave is a slave, and a mage commoner only a commoner. (True, have a chance to be an apprentice.)
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Post by lilyonce on Aug 2, 2018 3:35:18 GMT
Calpernia and Varania both benefit from and support the system, and there's likely many more just like them. They have unearned privilege just in being mages, they haven't joined the mundane underground, they support power and hope to get some for themselves. They have a choice so they're fair game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 2, 2018 3:37:10 GMT
All Chantry priests are perpetrators of oppression because they're part of the system, so it's said. Well, if that's true, it's just as true of the mages in Tevinter whom are all part of, benefit from, support and so perpetrate the system. They are collectively guilty and can targeted as such, as Anders targeted the dozens of priests in Kirkwall's Chantry. No. The chantry sisters aren't born as sisters, and able to leave the Chantry. A Mage can't just "leave" s/he's a mage. They haven't a choice. The "mages" aren't a part of the system. A mage slave is a slave, and a mage commoner only a commoner. (True, have a chance to be an apprentice.) First, that is not correct. While yes many of those who serve the Chantry choose to do so, there are those who don't get that choice. For example non-mage Trevelyan's background had them being volunteered to join but the events of DAI got in the way. Same with Alistair in DAO, only getting out because Duncan recruited him into the Wardens. There are also those who for one way or the other are there since birth so it is all they know. But interesting to know the distinction you have now. If forced to be there like mages, they are innocent so can't be blamed(even if their actions are a choice). If they supposedly have a choice, they are complicit so can die with the abusers.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 2, 2018 3:48:45 GMT
Calpernia and Varania both benefit from and support the system, and there's likely many more just like them. They haven't joined the mundane underground, they support power and hope to get some for themselves. They have a choice so they're fair game. Calpernia doesn't support the system, she wants to change it – if I know well – I never did the Templar way. Varania had not any benefit of the system: Danarius used her. But of course, she's a little jealous rat. I just don't let Fenris kill her – For Fenris, because he doesn't want to be a killer of her, and wants to get rid of his hatred and anger. Look at: Nobody happy that in the Chantry explosion the sisters have died – not even Anders. I also didn't celebrate their die – but at the start of the rebellion. So: I wouldn't be happy if a good man would die in the slave rebellion – but I would be happy if it start – if anything happens.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 2, 2018 3:56:03 GMT
No. The chantry sisters aren't born as sisters, and able to leave the Chantry. A Mage can't just "leave" s/he's a mage. They haven't a choice. The "mages" aren't a part of the system. A mage slave is a slave, and a mage commoner only a commoner. (True, have a chance to be an apprentice.) First, that is not correct. While yes many of those who serve the Chantry choose to do so, there are those who don't get that choice. For example non-mage Trevelyan's background had them being volunteered to join but the events of DAI got in the way. Same with Alistair in DAO, only getting out because Duncan recruited him into the Wardens. There are also those who for one way or the other are there since birth so it is all they know. But interesting to know the distinction you have now. If forced to be there like mages, they are innocent so can't be blamed(even if their actions are a choice). If they supposedly have a choice, they are complicit so can die with the abusers. They are able to leave, nobody will pursue them. This is a choice. If you don't say a word against the oppression, you're a part of the oppression, yes. This not mean, I blame every Chantry-sister/mother – and I said: nor every Templar. In the explosion died benevolent people too. Many Templars join the Order because believe s/he will protect people, and many sisters/mothers are good-hearted. I never demonize them, but the system. Again: never ever I celebrated the death. But I agree that the deaths were inevitable.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 2, 2018 3:56:05 GMT
Calpernia and Varania both benefit from and support the system, and there's likely many more just like them. They have unearned privilege just in being mages, they haven't joined the mundane underground, they support power and hope to get some for themselves. They have a choice so they're fair game. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Calpernia a slave? Hell I think Dorian even mentioned in my dialogue with him last night that even mages can be slaves or might as well have been without the right connections. Anyways to the argument at large: Rehashing something I've probably brought up before but the situation with the mages in Thedas is complicated and incredibly grey, more so then most real life issues and more so then most examples of fiction I can think of (the psi corp from Babylon 5 being probably the best 1 to 1 comparison). The fact is that a mage, no matter how well meaning, can becomg an abomination. They can fail and be possessed or, as we have seen, demons can just possess them and use them by force. Of course the Chantry doesen't help the situation any by many of the practices it does which often leaves mages vulnerable... But. I think it behooves all of us to keep two things in mind. A. The Chantry and the Circles are trying to find the best solution they can. Its an imperfect solution and its a situation that can lead to plenty of corruption on both sides, but its also an imperfect and dangerous world in Thedas. B. While Mages DO deserve their freedom and the same rights as any other citizen of a Southern Nation the regular citizens of Thedas have every right to not be blasted by fireballs. Now there are bad actors...on both sides. But there are also plenty of good people out there and plenty of people who are idealists, to borrow the term from Divine Justinia, that I believe that the situation is salvagable without a violent revolution and without bringing the entire system down. I believe reform is what is needed, surprisingly small reform too given the circumstances. And also I believe that the Chantry, as an organization, is not evil. Just trying to make the best out of a bad situation. As far as Anders is concerned I am sympathetic to his actions in Kirkwall, I believe he really had the best intentions and it does speak a lot of credit to him that all he wants from an ideological view point is freedom and equal liberty for mages and people. He doesen't want power and nor did he sacrifice Elthina in some mad blood magic ritual. But that does not make what he did justified. Elthina ultimatley was a good woman, not a bad mustache twirling tyrant.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 2, 2018 4:00:00 GMT
First, that is not correct. While yes many of those who serve the Chantry choose to do so, there are those who don't get that choice. For example non-mage Trevelyan's background had them being volunteered to join but the events of DAI got in the way. Same with Alistair in DAO, only getting out because Duncan recruited him into the Wardens. There are also those who for one way or the other are there since birth so it is all they know. But interesting to know the distinction you have now. If forced to be there like mages, they are innocent so can't be blamed(even if their actions are a choice). If they supposedly have a choice, they are complicit so can die with the abusers. They are able to leave, nobody will pursue them. This is a choice. If you don't say a word against the oppression, you're a part of the oppression, yes.Again: never ever I celebrated the death. But I agree that the deaths were inevitable. So much for not condemning them as people. I knew your response to my post on the last page was a lie. If DA2 was a better RPG that allowed more choices, it would not have been inevitable since Anders would have been arrested or killed before he did his Guy Fawkes impersonation.
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