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Post by Iddy on Aug 6, 2018 0:09:40 GMT
The wiki says it's an option, but I'm not sure what do I need to do to make that happen.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 6, 2018 0:24:21 GMT
The way the Wiki reads it seems as if this is the second conversation at the Hawke estate.
So, on meeting, you say, "If you go to Kirkwall, I can help you," after which she appears at the estate. (The paraphrase says, "Come work for me," and Hawke's remark to Fenris confirms this, but it's not truly settled until the following conversation.)
Then, at the estate, Hawke will have other conversation options. One would be that she remains there and works for you. The other two have her free from service: - If released, Orana can later be found employed at The Blooming Rose. OR - You can also set her free and tell her to speak to your mother for help. If you pick this option, your mother tells you that she has sent Orana to the Chantry.
I've never done either of those things, I'm just going off the Wiki's wording.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 0:52:48 GMT
The wiki says it's an option, but I'm not sure what do I need to do to make that happen. Why do you want to sed her to the Chantry? She's happier in the Hawke-manor.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 6, 2018 1:07:21 GMT
The wiki says it's an option, but I'm not sure what do I need to do to make that happen. Why do you want to sed her to the Chantry? She's happier in the Hawke-manor. Orana needs to unlearn the slave mindset and I don't think she really feels like being a paid servant is different.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 1:10:56 GMT
The way the Wiki reads it seems as if this is the second conversation at the Hawke estate. So, on meeting, you say, "If you go to Kirkwall, I can help you," after which she appears at the estate. (The paraphrase says, "Come work for me," and Hawke's remark to Fenris confirms this, but it's not truly settled until the following conversation.) Then, at the estate, Hawke will have other conversation options. One would be that she remains there and works for you. The other two have her free from service: - If released, Orana can later be found employed at The Blooming Rose.
OR - You can also set her free and tell her to speak to your mother for help. If you pick this option, your mother tells you that she has sent Orana to the Chantry.I've never done either of those things, I'm just going off the Wiki's wording. Does it not happen if Hawke gives some coins to her? Or in both cases? Is it help? Or just an easily passed responsibility? She just sent her away – I suppose.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 1:16:48 GMT
Why do you want to sed her to the Chantry? She's happier in the Hawke-manor. Orana needs to unlearn the slave mindset and I don't think she really feels like being a paid servant is different. And the Chantry able to help her? I don't think so. She will hear from everywhere how miserable is her. A paid servant is much more like a slave – not necessarily everywhere, of course, but if Hawke's not evil, s/he will able to learn her to be proud of her work.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 6, 2018 2:07:28 GMT
Iddy I think it would take some time, but I do think that being paid for your work would help instill value. And of course she has the freedom to leave if she wants.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2018 16:36:08 GMT
I wonder what happens to Orana after Act 3. I guess it depends on what choice you make. If she is at the Blooming Rose I imagine she is still there. If she is at the Chantry then I imagine she was murdered like everyone else there by Anders. If at the mansion maybe it depends on other things too. For example I romance Merrill so maybe Orana is helping her help the elven refugees.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 16:51:35 GMT
I wonder what happens to Orana after Act 3. I guess it depends on what choice you make. If she is at the Blooming Rose I imagine she is still there. If she is at the Chantry then I imagine she was murdered like everyone else there by Anders. If at the mansion maybe it depends on other things too. For example I romance Merrill so maybe Orana is helping her help the elven refugees. And if in the Mansion, and Anders moved in, she can teach Anders to play in the lute... not with much success (she even can teach Merrill) So anyway, the Chantry's not the best choice for her – even if doesn't die in the explosion. I don't think, the poors live in the Chantry's main building. I never ever saw homeless/poor people there. Do you expect too much about Kirkwall Chantry... Nobody saw her there – it just mentioned by Leandra. I suppose the Chantry sent her to the alienage/Darktown perhaps with some coin.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 18:40:31 GMT
Why do you want to sed her to the Chantry? She's happier in the Hawke-manor. Catilina, upon seeing this thread title: A long slow-motion "NOOOOOOoooooo" What?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 6, 2018 18:54:45 GMT
It's just a comment about how you're very anti-Chantry. You have to admit it's fitting!
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 6, 2018 19:09:30 GMT
I wonder what happens to Orana after Act 3. I guess it depends on what choice you make. If she is at the Blooming Rose I imagine she is still there. If she is at the Chantry then I imagine she was murdered like everyone else there by Anders. If at the mansion maybe it depends on other things too. For example I romance Merrill so maybe Orana is helping her help the elven refugees. And if in the Mansion, and Anders moved in, she can teach Anders to play in the lute... not with much success (she even can teach Merrill) So anyway, the Chantry's not the best choice for her – even if doesn't die in the explosion. I don't think, the poors live in the Chantry's main building. I never ever saw homeless/poor people there. Do you expect too much about Kirkwall Chantry... Nobody saw her there – it just mentioned by Leandra. I suppose the Chantry sent her to the alienage/Darktown perhaps with some coin. But do we explore the Chantry's main building enough that it's remarkable we don't see them? I've seen enough of the Chantry to know it's more than the one large hall we see during the Chantry explosion, but I'm given to understand that's the only part of it we ever explore.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 19:19:02 GMT
It's just a comment about how you're very anti-Chantry. You have to admit it's fitting! But I was curious about why he wants this choice, because I didn't do it before, and I didn't even know about it. And because I can't imagine why it's a better help to Orana than Hawke's house, as a new start. The religious institutes operated workhouses/poorhouses (whatever is the proper name in English) – but these mostly just not let the people to die in starving, but not a big help – if there is a better possibility. My human characters are Andrastians (including Hawkes), but because of mostly mages or have mage sibling, they have similar doubts related to the Chantry, as Anders, yes, so: they are Andrastians, but not really Chantry-followers. My Inquisitors welcome the rebuilt, reformed Chantry – what serves for the people, not rules over them. (But I hate that this is like a "mandatory" in the Inquisition...)
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 19:25:04 GMT
And if in the Mansion, and Anders moved in, she can teach Anders to play in the lute... not with much success (she even can teach Merrill) So anyway, the Chantry's not the best choice for her – even if doesn't die in the explosion. I don't think, the poors live in the Chantry's main building. I never ever saw homeless/poor people there. Do you expect too much about Kirkwall Chantry... Nobody saw her there – it just mentioned by Leandra. I suppose the Chantry sent her to the alienage/Darktown perhaps with some coin. But do we explore the Chantry's main building enough that it's remarkable we don't see them? I've seen enough of the Chantry to know it's more than the one large hall we see during the Chantry explosion, but I'm given to understand that's the only part of it we ever explore. And do you think, homeless people live there? The workhouse/poorhouse works in the Chantry's main building? You saw poorhouse worked in a Cathedral's main building? I don't think so. (Yes, in Lothering and in Redcliffe the poor refugees were inside the Chantry, but not in Kirkwall – and especially not 7 years after the Blight and the refugee-crisis and 3 years after the Qunari war.) But of course, exploded every poor who lived in the Chantry's main building. If Orana lived in the Chantry's main building, then she died. (But this also just suggests, not the Chantry's the proper choice to her.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2018 19:50:57 GMT
I wonder what happens to Orana after Act 3. I guess it depends on what choice you make. If she is at the Blooming Rose I imagine she is still there. If she is at the Chantry then I imagine she was murdered like everyone else there by Anders. If at the mansion maybe it depends on other things too. For example I romance Merrill so maybe Orana is helping her help the elven refugees. And if in the Mansion, and Anders moved in, she can teach Anders to play in the lute... not with much success (she even can teach Merrill) So anyway, the Chantry's not the best choice for her – even if doesn't die in the explosion. I don't think, the poors live in the Chantry's main building. I never ever saw homeless/poor people there. Do you expect too much about Kirkwall Chantry... Nobody saw her there – it just mentioned by Leandra. I suppose the Chantry sent her to the alienage/Darktown perhaps with some coin. Not necessarily. After all there was that elven servant in Sebastian's Act 2 quest where if she lives she is allowed to become an Affirmed Sister at Starkhaven's Chantry. I can see the same happening for Orana, especially with Leandra helping since our family is influential.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 19:53:39 GMT
And if in the Mansion, and Anders moved in, she can teach Anders to play in the lute... not with much success (she even can teach Merrill) So anyway, the Chantry's not the best choice for her – even if doesn't die in the explosion. I don't think, the poors live in the Chantry's main building. I never ever saw homeless/poor people there. Do you expect too much about Kirkwall Chantry... Nobody saw her there – it just mentioned by Leandra. I suppose the Chantry sent her to the alienage/Darktown perhaps with some coin. Not necessarily. After all there was that elven servant in Sebastian's Act 2 quest where if she lives she is allowed to become an Affirmed Sister at Starkhaven's Chantry. I can see the same happening for Orana, especially with Leandra helping since our family is influential. Then she died, if there were the Sister accommodations. But before Leliana it was not really frequent. We only know, that Leandra said, she sent her to the Chantry. It was an easy solution.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2018 19:57:30 GMT
But of course, exploded every poor who lived in the Chantry's main building. If Orana lived in the Chantry's main building, then she died. (But this also just suggests, not the Chantry's the proper choice to her.) So much for your claims of caring about innocent civilians if your reaction to one being killed is "well that's her fault for being there".
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 19:59:11 GMT
But of course, exploded every poor who lived in the Chantry's main building. If Orana lived in the Chantry's main building, then she died. (But this also just suggests, not the Chantry's the proper choice to her.) So much for your claims of caring about innocent civilians if your reaction to one being killed is "well that's her fault for being there". I didn't say, this is her fault. When did I say that? I said: not the best place for her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2018 20:00:31 GMT
So much for your claims of caring about innocent civilians if your reaction to one being killed is "well that's her fault for being there". I didn't say, this is her fault. When did I say that? By saying that just proves it wasn't the correct choice for her, thus implying that she or whoever put her there is at fault for her death rather than the person who, you know, actually killed her.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 20:02:34 GMT
I didn't say, this is her fault. When did I say that? By saying that just proves it wasn't the correct choice for her, thus implying that she or whoever put her there is at fault for her death rather than the person who, you know, actually killed her. No. If she was there, her blood just as the other sister's blood on Anders' hand. This is clear. Still not the best place to her...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2018 20:04:10 GMT
By saying that just proves it wasn't the correct choice for her, thus implying that she or whoever put her there is at fault for her death rather than the person who, you know, actually killed her. No. If she was there, her blood just as the other sister's blood on Anders' hand. This is clear. Still not the best place to her... Exactly. So if you still support Anders' actions, then any claim you have about caring about innocent civilians went up in flames since you shrug off an example where he is directly responsible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 20:05:55 GMT
Well she's got the right makeup for the Blooming Rose at least...
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 20:09:27 GMT
No. If she was there, her blood just as the other sister's blood on Anders' hand. This is clear. Still not the best place to her... Exactly. So if you still support Anders' actions, then any claim you have about caring about innocent civilians went up in flames since you shrug off an example where he is directly responsible. Yes. I still support. This would be a sad moment. But again: elves not really got rank in the Chantry before Leliana – so: little chance for it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2018 20:10:39 GMT
Exactly. So if you still support Anders' actions, then any claim you have about caring about innocent civilians went up in flames since you shrug off an example where he is directly responsible. Yes. I still support. This would be a sad moment. But again: elves not really got rank in the Chantry before Leliana – so: little chance for it. Thank you for proving me right about you.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 6, 2018 20:11:21 GMT
Well she's got the right makeup for the Blooming Rose at least... Never saw it! It was always the perfect solution to invite her to Hawke's manor.
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